I really want to!! I've been following your videos and love the idea of raw video on a Super 8-sized sensor. I don't have a 3D printer myself, but it's definitely on the list of things I want to do!
It’s excellent. I’ve got a modded 10 and the MFT mount makes it even easier to mount larger lenses. Of course there are C mount adapters for practically everything, but MFT makes life a lot easier - and cheaper. Backbone does such a nice job with the mod that I don’t know what GoPro themselves could do better… except dumb it down somehow since consumer products are all they know.
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@@retrothing just like red and smallrig they could work together and officially offer something with the 8mm look right now you have to void warranty, try around buy overlays and plugins if the 8mm look would be inside the gopro app it would make it simply way more convenient imo. also with mass production the price could go down i think
The actual film footage looked so beautiful, but that gopro held up surprisingly well! Another incredible video! Super educational and genuinely entertaining. I think non camera people would enjoy this. Also that ending was amazing. My years as an AV Technician really explain why we get along so well! -Jon
I love to hear you taking about this! I share your interest in c mounts, going so far as to feel they’re a vastly under valued resource. I thought I was one of the only ones left! I have lots of them collected over the years, and am always interested in new ways to use them. Modded GoPro is one of my favorites. I missed the boat on the Digital Bolex too, and I’m glad to see you exploring the other choices that are out there. Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks so much!! I'm glad to see another c-mount enthusiast out there! I have another video up on the EOS M hacked with Magic Lantern, which allows me to use c-mount lenses with an adapter. And I'm working on a video now about the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera!
Yo Alex, this thing is so so cool man. I really like the idea of it and using c-mount lenses. I also think the easy grade in resolve 19 would really make getting that vintage look a lot easier too. The end of the video killed me 🤣🤣
@@VietinghoffAlex honestly, it’s hard to pick just one! I have a huge TV lens from ebay that I can do crash zooms with, but with the crop factor, it’s also good for birding. I have this one fast D-mount lens (also from ebay) that’s got really nice swirly bokeh. Otherwise, I bought a bunch of cheap CCTV zoom lenses from aliexpress that cover most focal lengths (mainly one wide zoom and one telephoto zoom). The best part is I can stuff most of my collection into a single backpack and still be light on my feet!
@@VietinghoffAlex Too many to name!! I’ve got a couple CCTV lenses from aliexpress, a few of which are zooms, to cover most focal lengths I need. On ebay, I got a huge TV zoom lens that’s parfocal and can do crash zooms. Another ebay find was a D-mount lens with good swirly bokeh.
Interesting video. One alternative for using regular and super 8 lenses is to get a Pentax Q, the later Q7 and QSR1 have slightly larger sensors, and an adapter. I have a d-mount adapter which allows me to use regular 8 d-mount lenses, including a 6.5mm and 13mm lenses. I imagine there is a c-mount adapter as well. It is my understanding that c-mount lenses were frequently used with 16mm cameras.
I love this and would love to see more footage or even a short film with it. As much as I enjoy the nostalgia, the biggest issue from the previous generation to modern is transferring to PC to edit. For the most authentic experience, using the older equipment IS ideal. However I would certainly like to share my work the smoothest possible. I appreciate the information and effort to convey the nostalgia even through your clothing. I can't want to see more. Subscribed.
The hands down best camera for simulating 8mm and 16mm gotta be the Blackmagic Pocket Camera original one. Its tiny, has really organic digital look, and you get 14bit 1080p RAW. Unless you just want to shoot 12bit ProRes. Someone 3D printed like a body for it with a grip and man its so good looking.
Big time! I actually owned one for awhile but sold it, and how have two Blackmagic Micro Cinema Cameras. I always shoot in 1080 CDNG RAW with them with vintage Super16 lenses :)
@@VietinghoffAlex not really aside of some clips for my vocational training. Right now I’m kind of stuck with getting a clean output (bc no money lol) to an external recorder while on the go, meaning no tripod nor wall plugs. As soon as I get somewhere I’ll be happy to share.
I have an GP11 modded and it's worth the money.The variety of old lens that can be used is endless. I have an selection of CCTV lens from 6 to 25mm, zoom 4 to 12mm, 6 to 60mm. I have two Sigma zoom K mount with an adapter, they work great. And when i just want a small camera to put in my pocket i use an 6 or 25mm M12 lens, these are tiny. Using an c mount spacer i now have macro. It's best to use an monitor to set the focus as the GP screen is so small. I have 9 lens so far with an outlay of less than $100. MFT will be my next move as an adapter came with the mod. Hope this helps some one.
@@VietinghoffAlex Regarding the monitor i have replied to you twice and YT has taken it down, maybe because of brand names. Do you has an email address i can send the info to.
Thanks!! And true, I have a few EOS M cameras with Magic Lantern that could work. I'm tempted to get one of them converted to full spectrum for IR raw video!
I actually had a BMPCC and sold it! But you can see some test footage I shot with it and a Mir 12mm f/2 for a super tiny vintage camera and lens combo here: ruclips.net/video/kYacamGVpIM/видео.htmlsi=9LIOIeWhoWhBe7Hb&t=452
Thank you!! There are a few projects online of people putting Raspberry Pi or Arduino cameras into a Super 8 camera, the hardest part is lining up the sensor with the film gate at the exact distance that the Super 8 film would be.
Clearly the problem with Super 8 is that you record so little material, that is, there are no tapes that record a minimum of 1 hour, a pity... and it is expensive to send to be digitized.
Or just buy a split camera for fpv and put it inside a broken super 8 camera to use the lens assembly . or use the cinepi project with the global shutter sensor and do the same. Also old CCD cameras that have video work too. panasonic fz48/47 being my favorite for that, depends if you're ok with 25fps europe version , US will probably be 30. But you can find the service manual with instructions on how to change location I thing, I'm from Europe so It was 25fps already . Some canon and JVC cameras have 24fps video in CCD but for 720p, a1200 for canon and I forgot what jvc. Went down a big rabbit hole with this a few years ago and bought these cameras for around £10-20.
I really want to make or test a CinePi! That's high up on my list of camera projects this year. Also been watching some videos of people installing Rpi cameras and similar inside old Super 8 cameras. I think I'll try CinePi first, then that! Thanks :)
@@VietinghoffAlex probably best to start with cinepi, because it’s about the same price as the rest really and you get raw. Plus you can do custom hardware controls with cinemate .
@@VietinghoffAlex I don’t know, I got a pi4 off eBay for my stuff . And to be fair why spend the money on anything else , especially since it’s cheaper. What would be cool would be some new sensors, maybe something bigger. Like the arducam global shutter one. There’s another cool pi camera project for webcams , another RUclips channel forgot the name Jeff something has a good script on that one. And looking through the readme files on their git they might have bigger sensor support. They use a pi zero , that’s way smaller. Another thing I’d love to have would be log gamma , and I’ll have to read the manual on that one , because there’s got to be a way to modify picture profiles. Although I’m not sure now but the pi5 might have more data lanes to the sensor so maybe we can get better resolution when it gets up and running on that platform. Honestly the sensor to cpu part of it is new electronics to me . They have their own protocols and configurations that require a lot of research. I got a bit into that with ccd but nothing bar a few Wikipedia entries with modern sensors. Spoiler alert there are good reasons video took off on cameras only after cmos sensors 😂😂😂😂, and the ones that did it on ccds, were rarely pure ccds.
very new to all of this, but just to understand what you've done: the default lens for a GoPro mount is (blank) and you had back-bone mod the camera so it can attach to c-mount lenses? what type of lens mount is default to the GoPro?
Yes, Back-Bone can sell DIY mod kits, or you can buy pre-modded GoPros from them! The default built-in GoPro lens is a fisheye lens with a very distinct look.
Why did you put a film emulation on the digital footage? If your goal was to compare a vintage lens on an 8mm camera vs. the GoPro, slapping a film filter over the GoPro footage makes the comparison moot. We can't see the differences. Why don't you just denoise the 8mm footage while you're at it?
The purpose was to specifically see how they compare as a Super 8-type camera. I also have a bunch of footage in there from the GoPro without the emulation. And you can find any GoPro footage online that will give you a sense of the GoPro sensor colours and motion cadence. The only difference with mine is that it has an interchangeable lens :)
@@VietinghoffAlex Flashforge Adventure 2 and 3 are pretty forgiving newbie friendly 3D printers, not sure you have them where you live but enclosed temperature control is very handy when you start out since this is where most people fail at first.
@@VietinghoffAlex Actually you may want to stick with Flashforge Adventure 4 since the 3 apparently still have quality control issues, my copy has been fine but seems like a lot of people have issues with theirs, just remembered a thread on Reddit about this and thought I tell you in case you end up with one thats less than stellar.
Have you considered building a CinePI? 😉
I really want to!! I've been following your videos and love the idea of raw video on a Super 8-sized sensor. I don't have a 3D printer myself, but it's definitely on the list of things I want to do!
Dude. Get a 3d printer. It's worth it
@@richardmetellus2336 Definitely want to!
go pro should finally make "pro" versions with a c mount from fractory ... 8mm effects for their app and done
Agreed! I see Back-Bone offers MFT mounts for the GoPro 11 and 12, I'd love to try that out!
It’s excellent. I’ve got a modded 10 and the MFT mount makes it even easier to mount larger lenses. Of course there are C mount adapters for practically everything, but MFT makes life a lot easier - and cheaper.
Backbone does such a nice job with the mod that I don’t know what GoPro themselves could do better… except dumb it down somehow since consumer products are all they know.
@@retrothing just like red and smallrig they could work together and officially offer something with the 8mm look right now you have to void warranty, try around buy overlays and plugins if the 8mm look would be inside the gopro app it would make it simply way more convenient imo. also with mass production the price could go down
i think
@@retrothing you've really got me considering getting a modded 12 with the MFT mount! Have you tried any speedboosters/focal reducers on it?
I've seen the backbone gopros on social media and immediately wanted one. This video only makes me want one more. Good stuff!
Awesome, I noticed there were hardly any reviews on them, glad I could help!!
Love the nostalgic vibe of the Super 8 ... so cool! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks, I love that nostalgic vibe and film aesthetic too!
The actual film footage looked so beautiful, but that gopro held up surprisingly well!
Another incredible video! Super educational and genuinely entertaining. I think non camera people would enjoy this. Also that ending was amazing. My years as an AV Technician really explain why we get along so well!
-Jon
Hahah, thanks Jon, really appreciate that!! I'd definitely say you're an Alex Vietinghoff Technician...
Awesome mods and great ending! The prophecy is true!
Haha thank you!!!
I love to hear you taking about this! I share your interest in c mounts, going so far as to feel they’re a vastly under valued resource. I thought I was one of the only ones left! I have lots of them collected over the years, and am always interested in new ways to use them. Modded GoPro is one of my favorites. I missed the boat on the Digital Bolex too, and I’m glad to see you exploring the other choices that are out there. Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks so much!! I'm glad to see another c-mount enthusiast out there! I have another video up on the EOS M hacked with Magic Lantern, which allows me to use c-mount lenses with an adapter. And I'm working on a video now about the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera!
Yo Alex, this thing is so so cool man. I really like the idea of it and using c-mount lenses.
I also think the easy grade in resolve 19 would really make getting that vintage look a lot easier too.
The end of the video killed me 🤣🤣
Thanks Cole!!! I'm super excited to try out that easy grade in Resolve 19. And glad you liked the ending, hahaa 🤣
I’ve been using the Backbone Hero 11 for about a year and it’s such a blast for hobby stuff! C-Mount has such a fun catalogue of lenses.
That's awesome! What's your go-to lens on it?
@@VietinghoffAlex honestly, it’s hard to pick just one! I have a huge TV lens from ebay that I can do crash zooms with, but with the crop factor, it’s also good for birding. I have this one fast D-mount lens (also from ebay) that’s got really nice swirly bokeh. Otherwise, I bought a bunch of cheap CCTV zoom lenses from aliexpress that cover most focal lengths (mainly one wide zoom and one telephoto zoom). The best part is I can stuff most of my collection into a single backpack and still be light on my feet!
@@VietinghoffAlex Too many to name!! I’ve got a couple CCTV lenses from aliexpress, a few of which are zooms, to cover most focal lengths I need. On ebay, I got a huge TV zoom lens that’s parfocal and can do crash zooms. Another ebay find was a D-mount lens with good swirly bokeh.
Truly unique! Some excellent footage with the mod GoPro. I think this would be great way to expand one’s story telling capabilities.
Thank you, and definitely! So much visual language that can be conveyed by different lens choices.
Interesting video. One alternative for using regular and super 8 lenses is to get a Pentax Q, the later Q7 and QSR1 have slightly larger sensors, and an adapter. I have a d-mount adapter which allows me to use regular 8 d-mount lenses, including a 6.5mm and 13mm lenses. I imagine there is a c-mount adapter as well. It is my understanding that c-mount lenses were frequently used with 16mm cameras.
I read about that Pentax! How do you like the image out of it?
I love this and would love to see more footage or even a short film with it. As much as I enjoy the nostalgia, the biggest issue from the previous generation to modern is transferring to PC to edit. For the most authentic experience, using the older equipment IS ideal. However I would certainly like to share my work the smoothest possible. I appreciate the information and effort to convey the nostalgia even through your clothing. I can't want to see more. Subscribed.
Thanks so much!! Glad you noticed the clothing too, haha.
Super cool video, Alex! Now you got us wondering about one of our GoPro's...
I got my Hero7 modified by Back-Bone back in 2020, it’s pretty neat. I now also have a Sony RX0-II which I may convert myself in the future
Awesome! I'm kind of tempted to sell my 7 since I don't really need the IR option and get my 11 modified for the 10-bit video and GoPro labs...
@@VietinghoffAlex Yea I wish the RX0 shot 10-bit! Maybe in the future if Sony decides to revisit that product line. That’d be an instant buy for me
@@AdmiralSym Definitely the same for me, especially with SLOG support!
The hands down best camera for simulating 8mm and 16mm gotta be the Blackmagic Pocket Camera original one.
Its tiny, has really organic digital look, and you get 14bit 1080p RAW. Unless you just want to shoot 12bit ProRes. Someone 3D printed like a body for it with a grip and man its so good looking.
Big time! I actually owned one for awhile but sold it, and how have two Blackmagic Micro Cinema Cameras. I always shoot in 1080 CDNG RAW with them with vintage Super16 lenses :)
I like fun projects like these great video
@@pneuma23093 thank you! I have some more I'll be uploading soon!
@@VietinghoffAlex ok thank you. I have subbed in anticipation of those treats.
@@pneuma23093 awesome, thank you!!
I like it! Nowadays I'm mostly pushing towards tube video cameras, but this is so cool maybe I have a second thought on the "super 8" format.
Awesome! Are you shooting any content on tube cameras?
@@VietinghoffAlex not really aside of some clips for my vocational training. Right now I’m kind of stuck with getting a clean output (bc no money lol) to an external recorder while on the go, meaning no tripod nor wall plugs. As soon as I get somewhere I’ll be happy to share.
@@FelipeAlMorenoFoto please do, it would be cool to see!!
Haha. The ending sequence was gold. Really enjoyed the vid. 👏
Thanks you!!
love the experiment brother 🤘
Thank you!! Just watched your GoPro Cinema Rig video, love that!
@@VietinghoffAlex🤪 much appreciated!
This is really clever - great idea and execution all around!
Thanks so much!
Great channel. Keep it up!
Thank you!
This would be perfect as a bts cam for when I'm on big shoot days and need my other cameras at the ready.
Definitely!!
awesome video. Not much info out there on the backbone mods.
Thank you! I noticed that too, definitely a hidden gem.
I have an GP11 modded and it's worth the money.The variety of old lens that can be used is endless. I have an selection of CCTV lens from 6 to 25mm, zoom 4 to 12mm, 6 to 60mm.
I have two Sigma zoom K mount with an adapter, they work great. And when i just want a small camera to put in my pocket i use an 6 or 25mm M12 lens, these are tiny. Using an c mount spacer i now have macro. It's best to use an monitor to set the focus as the GP screen is so small. I have 9 lens so far with an outlay of less than $100. MFT will be my next move as an adapter came with the mod. Hope this helps some one.
@@brucelawrence123 awesome, I definitely want to upgrade to the modded 11! What monitor do you use with yours?
@@VietinghoffAlex Regarding the monitor i have replied to you twice and YT has taken it down, maybe because of brand names. Do you has an email address i can send the info to.
@@brucelawrence123 yup, on my channel it's in my about section!
Good job man! You could have also gone the ML route with 3x crop mode enabled, this would have also let you choose the required frame rates.
Thanks!! And true, I have a few EOS M cameras with Magic Lantern that could work. I'm tempted to get one of them converted to full spectrum for IR raw video!
Amazing video! Looking forward to watching more videos from the prophecy himself lol
As the prophecy states, there shall be more videos!!
Really interesting video, I had just watched one by Van Neistat also,
Thanks and you have a new subscriber
Cheers
Andrew in Ottawa Canada
@@andrewnoden9117 thank you, appreciate that! I saw his video too, really good!
You must try BMPCC with C-Mount. Its awesome. Now I recording with that.
I actually had a BMPCC and sold it! But you can see some test footage I shot with it and a Mir 12mm f/2 for a super tiny vintage camera and lens combo here: ruclips.net/video/kYacamGVpIM/видео.htmlsi=9LIOIeWhoWhBe7Hb&t=452
This was some awesome editing! Particularly the ending 😂. Is there a way to just shove a GoPro directly into a super 8?
Thank you!! There are a few projects online of people putting Raspberry Pi or Arduino cameras into a Super 8 camera, the hardest part is lining up the sensor with the film gate at the exact distance that the Super 8 film would be.
Clearly the problem with Super 8 is that
you record so little material, that is, there are no tapes that record a minimum of 1 hour,
a pity... and it is expensive to send to be digitized.
@@PANDRIUX big time, that's why I recorded 18fps instead of 24fps. Just to stretch it out a bit more
Nice!!...Should have put the 'Extro' at the top though!!! Cheers /p
Hahaha, thanks Pat! Saved the best for last 😉
Or just buy a split camera for fpv and put it inside a broken super 8 camera to use the lens assembly . or use the cinepi project with the global shutter sensor and do the same. Also old CCD cameras that have video work too. panasonic fz48/47 being my favorite for that, depends if you're ok with 25fps europe version , US will probably be 30. But you can find the service manual with instructions on how to change location I thing, I'm from Europe so It was 25fps already . Some canon and JVC cameras have 24fps video in CCD but for 720p, a1200 for canon and I forgot what jvc. Went down a big rabbit hole with this a few years ago and bought these cameras for around £10-20.
I really want to make or test a CinePi! That's high up on my list of camera projects this year. Also been watching some videos of people installing Rpi cameras and similar inside old Super 8 cameras. I think I'll try CinePi first, then that! Thanks :)
@@VietinghoffAlex probably best to start with cinepi, because it’s about the same price as the rest really and you get raw. Plus you can do custom hardware controls with cinemate .
@@mirelchirila Awesome. Has there been any development using it with RPI5 yet?
@@VietinghoffAlex I don’t know, I got a pi4 off eBay for my stuff . And to be fair why spend the money on anything else , especially since it’s cheaper. What would be cool would be some new sensors, maybe something bigger. Like the arducam global shutter one.
There’s another cool pi camera project for webcams , another RUclips channel forgot the name Jeff something has a good script on that one. And looking through the readme files on their git they might have bigger sensor support. They use a pi zero , that’s way smaller.
Another thing I’d love to have would be log gamma , and I’ll have to read the manual on that one , because there’s got to be a way to modify picture profiles.
Although I’m not sure now but the pi5 might have more data lanes to the sensor so maybe we can get better resolution when it gets up and running on that platform.
Honestly the sensor to cpu part of it is new electronics to me . They have their own protocols and configurations that require a lot of research. I got a bit into that with ccd but nothing bar a few Wikipedia entries with modern sensors. Spoiler alert there are good reasons video took off on cameras only after cmos sensors 😂😂😂😂, and the ones that did it on ccds, were rarely pure ccds.
very new to all of this, but just to understand what you've done: the default lens for a GoPro mount is (blank) and you had back-bone mod the camera so it can attach to c-mount lenses? what type of lens mount is default to the GoPro?
Yes, Back-Bone can sell DIY mod kits, or you can buy pre-modded GoPros from them! The default built-in GoPro lens is a fisheye lens with a very distinct look.
The cost of it is hilariously high
Definitely wish it was cheaper.
hey, which magnifier/eyepiece and grip did you use?
The grip is actually a Digital Bolex grip, the loupe is this one: www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B09FNVGH6M?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_image
Is that lens C mount or CS mount though?
It's CS-mount, you're right! I'm so used to C-mount lenses that I got them mixed up, and the GoPro can take both.
@@VietinghoffAlex Thanks friend!
Why did you put a film emulation on the digital footage? If your goal was to compare a vintage lens on an 8mm camera vs. the GoPro, slapping a film filter over the GoPro footage makes the comparison moot. We can't see the differences. Why don't you just denoise the 8mm footage while you're at it?
The purpose was to specifically see how they compare as a Super 8-type camera. I also have a bunch of footage in there from the GoPro without the emulation. And you can find any GoPro footage online that will give you a sense of the GoPro sensor colours and motion cadence. The only difference with mine is that it has an interchangeable lens :)
Pick a 3d printer, you will find it super useful
@@bassbeats92 any recommendations for a cheap, but good one? Any particular brands that stand out?
@@VietinghoffAlex bambu labs a1 is really good for the price
@@VietinghoffAlex
Flashforge Adventure 2 and 3 are pretty forgiving newbie friendly 3D printers, not sure you have them where you live but enclosed temperature control is very handy when you start out since this is where most people fail at first.
@@SMGJohn Awesome, I'll look them up, thanks! I'm on Canada's east cost.
@@VietinghoffAlex
Actually you may want to stick with Flashforge Adventure 4 since the 3 apparently still have quality control issues, my copy has been fine but seems like a lot of people have issues with theirs, just remembered a thread on Reddit about this and thought I tell you in case you end up with one thats less than stellar.
a vintage lens does not make a digital camera anything close to Super-8, which is the name of what is essentially the sensor
I said vintage lenses help to replicate the look of what people associate with film.
adding grain, scratches and dust to digital is so goofy
To each their own :) Personally I prefer the look for narrative projects over a super clean and sharp look.