What impressed me the most about this car was not just the speed but how composed the driver was and how much confidence the car gives the driver! Hardly any over corrections the handling was so awe inspiring. Nissan has a winner!
BMW CCA has an annual week long driving school there with a flight, hotel, rental car package I believe it's only $1500 or so leaving from NY or such. It's in August/Sept timeframe. You learn the course in chunks with instructors then string it together. Make your dream come true.
the only transmission on offer is a dual clutch, dual input shaft unit. There is no toque converter, nor any planetary gearset, but the clutching is accomplished by computer and it does indeed have an automatic operating mode, as well as manually commanded shifts.
WOW... I'm impressed with your knowledge... Really...you must teach me everything you know about lap times, racing, basket weaving, etc... Because I'm truly fascinated by your credentials as the highest authority on all things automotive...and life in general...
actually the small displacement Honda 4's can be driven really hard and never fail once,they are designed to take those high revs,same goes for BMW and other manafacturers
SuperCJ - Mine was a list conjured in the spur of the moment. You're list looks A-OK to me. Hell...I'm a married man with two young kids. Exciting these days is a drive in an Accord. I'm just wondering what best-time I could achieve on the Nurburgring in my Prius?!
On Nurburgring there are lots of long straights and high speed bends which let you use all the power of the car. Weight affects acceleration/deceleration and handling. It is a big factor.
@mrmichaelmw Im pretty sure when porsche test their new car the team do some tweaking as well to achieve the best performance since the Nur lap times are known to be an official test ranking arena for competitors to duel their developments out.
I was talking to someone else and they mentioned that much of these times are based upon what is known as the "20.6" track length which is not the full track and excludes the very short segment that you see is not timed in the video.
Yeah you can definitely start way later. I am obsessed with racing/driving and didn't really get started until I got my first Jeep at 16 (minus the go-kart races and bumper cars, etc when I was younger). Learning to handle a car doesn't take long if you have a natural feel for it like I do. What I will admit takes the longest (years and years of practice) is learning to choose good (well, the best) lines, andTHAT is whatyou learn overthose years starting from 6.Nodoubt someone canlearn later tho
As far as I know, Evo-Spec GT-R will have 2 seats and weight reduction as well as a boost in power from the engine (probably this car). Cam and equip -might- have slowed it down, but it still did an impressive time.
Lets just take it for what it is, a preproduction laptime for the gtr. When independent testing confirms it in production trim pp will stop doubting. Given the specs (473hp/3800lbs) skeptism is bound to happen. Maybe the power is underrated, or the AWD is really that good. We currently don't know yet. & they aren't lying, it's just the time was achieved on a preproduction model.
Stillen gets 610 hp out of the Nissan engine so you can extract more power from it, vs the 475 to 504 it has standard, but its a monster car just off the esembly line! I love that they made the skyline a killer from factory spec...
i think thats because thats the starting grid i think it has something to do with stoping as well if you go as fast as u can into that turn to make you best time is kinda better than going as fast as u can on the small straight and then hitting a turn
there is no "standing start at nurburgring, even for a first lap there is like a quarter mile before the time starts from when people enter the track. At least if im not mistaken.
What a remarkable piece of machinery/technology. For those of you who simply like to "diss" cars because they perform well is ludicrous. What that does exactly is push the competition to improve upon their own design and come up with an improved automobile for YOU to drive. You should praise Nissan for their achievement. AND just for the record im a honda lover and still happy to see this happen
im pretty sure by the end of 2009, there will be 1000hp R35's. Mine's has tuned this car already and if i'm not mistaken, Mine's squeezed 600hp+ on it.
The car is out December 6th I'm pretty sure mzoomora. Only difference between this and production is it had racing seats instead of the normal seats and had all the testing and camera equipment inside.
i was commenting on diefordie's comment on his turboed Si that "handls better" the funny thing is a GT-R can be FWD in a way, if the rear wheels loose all traction, all the power is diverted to the front wheels. sorry for the confusion, obviously any stock car breaking 8 min at nurburgring has exceptional handling.
In fact...that dually pulls my 40' 5th wheel toy hauler. And now that I think about it, this car is so small and cute, I think it would fit in the back of it.
Yeah, Omni was right.. they didn't stop the timer same place as they started it. I think that's what Nizmo was talking about too, but I don't know the track in meters, heh. It seemed like the driver made a ton of mistakes, so I'm certain that a 7:38 is still well within the GT-R's means. Looks like a force to be reckoned with... unless you're in the new Porsche GT2 (7:32 according to Porsche). There's a series of clips of the GT2 running Nordschleife as well on RUclips, interesting view!
@jmauyou Actually, they finish 160-200 metres short for safety reasons... Going flat out towards the first turn to finish the entire lap is a dangerous maneuver.
rumor has it (and pistonheads confirms it) that this particular run was done on cut slicks and not the stock tires. I'm not sure so I'm just going to wait until the stock production GT-R does a lap (not a concept or prototype).
Just wait and see what happens in Japan - Smoky Nagata probably turns up with one of these great cars with an RB26 init and 1000, just to show how far he can go! ;-) And what's so much of a problem if they make the car not available with a manual? I don't see how you can "out-clutch" the way the car shifts at the mo, like REALLY quick! This new GTR "shifts expectations" like they say at Nissan. Dirk Schoysman drove the R32 back in the days(1989) to 8 minutes 28 seconds.
@AllYourBase420 The Z06 still costs less though! =) Do you know how many advantages the GTR has over the Z06? Too many to name. And yes, Pilot sport cup tires are stock on the 2012 Corvettes. Even your $170,000 GTR Spec-V couldnt beat the Z06 or ZR1. My, ...my my.
Yes I get your point. But the LEXUS was a prototype TEST MULE. Not a full bore ready to take on the best of the best race car. Obviously it's needs to get the bugs worked out of it. When the full race version is on the track (not a prototype or test mule) we shall see what happens.
Also, for the record, I'm actually a classically trained musician. I have met Eric Johnson on several occassions in Austin and have listened Eric Johnson over the past 20 years. I do a pretty good cover of Manhattan and Cliffs of Dover... I loved how you assumed that I'll never be as good as Johnson or Vai.... There are actually many better players in the world, that'll you'll never know of
its not a proper skyline but have the same muscle feeling the 33 and the 34 haves when you see it from the front and for the side. and even so well..the 4 tail circled backtail lights are there too. its a¨grower¨ for sure!!
c6 z06 has been out for three years. i'll see if the c6 z06 came out this year. but the zr1 is about to bring the pain. after the zr1 there will be a c7 that will have 700+hp in or around 2010.
And just one more thing...you'd be amazed at the sounds that you can get out of a cheap guitar that you cannot get out of an expensive one... Cheaper, lighter, and less dense wood can give you a very bright resonant sound that you can't achieve with a heavier guitar... Remember guitars, just like cars...are 10% equipment, 90% user. Doesn't matter what it CAN do, if you can't make it do it anyway.
Regarding missing out the start/finish straight those of you that have been to the Ring will know it's not possible to time a full lap and therefore from the "Bridge to Gantry" is the recognized time standard that everyone adheres to. The times for the other cars mentioned are all for the same section of track covered so the comparison is absolutely valid. Personally I think there's no doubt the car is an absolute weapon and my deposit is going down on one tomorrow!
i think we can expect 7:30 time on Evo versions that have an extra power (520hp if I recall correctly), just with tires it is difficult, unless tester are one hell of a driver... But I'll agree with you, after seing that run, i say another 5-6s can be cut...
The Bugatti Veyron has a twin-clutch sequential manual, which is precisely what the GT-R will have, except that the Veyron's is a seven speed to the GT-R's six. I imagine some of the others have them as well, but I don't happen to know them off-hand.
Dude, when I see any sort of vette the first thing that comes to my mind is that whole mid crisis life stigma the car carries along with it. The coming of the GTR is something that should be celebrated by all car enthusiasts. It is a bitch slap to all those manufactures making cars for the so called "elite" in the car world. This car has so many new technological features never seen before that it will revolutionize the way new high performance cars are built. Happy New Year!
Kazutoshi Mizuno (GTR Chief Engineer) himself said that on the 7:38 they used "cut slicks" for tires, not production OEM tires like the Z06. There's a world of difference between race compound tires and standard road tires. I'm not here to bash the GTR, is a great car, the real quality of this car lies in it's active handling AWD, not it's engine.. but still, it wasn't a production trim car that ran the 7:38
@AllYourBase420 Yep, I know what ricer means and the GT-R fits the title pretty well. If the GTR is so fast, why is it that the ZR1 beats it so badly....geesh. The ZR1 ran the times "bone stock". I have driven 20 or so laps at Nurburgring, at least 10 at Hockenheim, Francia Corte in Italy 10 at Laguna Seca, Darlington 5 laps, and tons of autocross runs. I was the runner up winner at the Holley LS Fest two years in a row. Autobahn at 185 mph. And where have you driven, Ricer?
The GT-R did it on a partialy wet track! I'm not saying it would be better then the CLS but still doing a good lap. Lets wait for a street legally tuned GT-R :)
This was done with a fully stock GT-R. Imagine what a modded one would do! Bigger turbos, injectors, lightweight racing rims with stickier tires. This car is a beast. Pure and simple.
I respect both the Corvette and the GT-R. I love both cars, both are an amazing work of engineering. The thing that sticks out the most for me is that the Corvette is about 450 pounds lighter and has about 160 more HP and about 175 more lbs-ft Torque, and yet it is only 12 seconds quicker. My two cents.
It probably is the same for all cars... But they didn't start and stop the timing in the same place... The cameras (that we see in the beginning) are a little bit further ahead... It would take like 2 more seconds to get there.. not a big deal... But odd all the same...
Very nice, but the 7:38 time was only to the beginning of the start finish straight. If the finish time is taken at the same place they started timing from you needs to add an additional 7 seconds. Still very fast, and I still want one.
yup...but after mark up based on individual location demand...you'll probably pay $100,000-$125,000 for the GTR as is being predicted...which is about right. But seriously..if everyone lets them arrive at the dealership, then wait...the purchase price will drop alot...because the mark up will fall off...but who doesn't know how that works
Still not sure what you're getting at here. The Skyline, Evo and Impreza, NSX et al, all have legendary handling - which you can't achieve without a good chassis. Also, most of them hover ~300-400bhp (apart from the new GTR). In today's terms, that's not an enormous amount of horsepower (the Zonda F, which holds the Ring record, puts down over 600bhp). And before you start banging on about 1000bhp+ Skylines, remember we're talking about factory spec...not modified motors.
What was the top speed reached on the long straight away starting at 8:00? I can't make out the speedo read-out past the glare, but I think it was +260 kph? What I wouldn't give to have a week of practice on the Nurburgring, and then my pick of, say, 10 of the top cars in the world to play with: Veyron, GT-R, McLaren, a half dozen choices of modded jobs: Viper, ZR1, F-1, etc.
There is nothing like a spirited drive thru the countryside...! LOL I would love to take this baby thru the Santa Cruz Cal mountains on Route 17, then the backroads up to Skyline Drive north, down Route 84 thru La Honda and out to the coast. Then zipp down the PCH Rt 1 to Santa Cruz. that is my Ring..!!
All cars being timed at the ring are timed in exactly the same way. They all start and end the runs at the same spots so it's all legit and fair and equal.
As for the bikes... 2001 N/A GSXR750 best 1/4 mile is 10.545 @ 135.550 other than that, I've got a couple of Suzuki dirt bikes one RM-Z250 for my wife, and an RM-Z450 for me
Hey mate, im glad someone sees where im coming from. Some guy named Al1500321 was clearly comparing the radical to the GT-R and i felt i should educate him on the fact that they cant be compared.
I don't know why it matters what country anyone is from, but I'm also American. This car is my dream car. I would take this over a vette anyday of the week, and even a 911. This car is a work of art.
No matter what this is a great performance price for the money. It's able to hang with a Porsche that costs twice as much. I have never been a fan of Japanese cars but I give credit to this one.
@ParisTNDude You guarantee me what exactly? GTR isn't stock? Funny how it says that about the '12 ZR1 but doesn't say anything about the GTR not being stock, not to mention, once again, semi-wet conditions and 2012 ZR1 isn't even available for purchase. GTR didn't even competitively start racing until 2010 and had its fair share of victories too under stiff regulations... Don't really understand your point here...
I never said the ZO6 handles better than the GTR. That would be crazy talk for sure. As for the styling, I like the GTR, but I guess I am partial to the Corvette a little more in that category. Both great cars though.
Don't bother my friend, some people still think a paper stats with power to weight ratio will determine the speed and final outcome. They are hoppless, stability and suspension systems play even bigger role. THIS is why this new GTR is so good, and even 911 Turbo with same amount of hp and more weight is whole 15s faster than F430. When they (IF they) manage to drive something fast they'll see that power and speed isn't the whole story.
That's the question at hand Andreas. This is a prototype. It could easily be 500hp and Nissan could be using this video to generate a buzz. No one would know. If it is stock then I can't even imagine what kind of numbers the evo model will do.
This car must be making up all of the time with the extremely quick shifts... I wonder what the time would be with a regular old stick shift lol... Probably atleast 10 seconds more. Cool car though. V6 power. :)
@Janusha Bro it's not a media stunt if they have proof. If you've ever seen the Enzo, MC12, Koenigsegg, or Zonda lap times, they have the largest crew you'll ever see for a test. They even made it into a film.
The car looks very nice and capable for sure, but the time as shown on the video is not accurate for a full lap. Watch the video closely as before the timer starts you see the blue covering over the barrier on the right. They start the timer at the end of this, but stop the timer at the start of this. This omission of this low speed 4-500ft section is shortens the lap by roughly 5 seconds. Unless this is a commonly accepted way of measuring a full lap, the 7:38 should be closer to a 7:43.
On Top Gear they said that the Corvette Z06 goes around the Nurburgring at 7:43 seconds;therefore the Nissan Skyline is faster than Z06..wow! that is just amazing Japanese engineering for you.
First off the GTR is turbo OHC, not N.A. pushrod engine based on the C5R. Both engines are fine, difference is you can EASILY get 200 hp out of a Vette, can't touch a GTR engine apparently. Otherwise, Z06 Vettes laugh at 997 Turbo's, so I don't think a GTR will be much different. Just look at the acceleration difference once your past 30mph. And the corvette is just as aerodynamic if not much more (it's way smaller)
The GTR got beat in 5 lap show down at tsukuba track in japan by murciolago SL. The Lambo came from about 5 car length behind and won by that much. Murciolago SL time on the ring is alot slower. Go figure?
i just hope the car in the video is the same model of which will be on the road equipped whit normal tyres and so on. i hope this model is the real one i could buy whitout strange or particular modification just to beat teh record.
i love Skylines,(Rx7 as a favorite) adn you actually have a good point with the Z06..its a insanly fast car,not as sophisticated as a G-tr handlingwhise,but eitherway it could prolly match a Gt-r on the track...and like these others and myself..discussing whats best is pointless,cause everyone will stand on theyre own:p
Also...I hope all of you are doing well enough in life to own a car like this. If ya do have the priveledge to own a beast of a car, or truck in my case, don't be racing it on the streets...take it to the track... I hear through the youtube grapevine that Nurburgring is a really nice one... Keep the rubber side down, and stay safe. Peace
What impressed me the most about this car was not just the speed but how composed the driver was and how much confidence the car gives the driver! Hardly any over corrections the handling was so awe inspiring. Nissan has a winner!
BMW CCA has an annual week long driving school there with a flight, hotel, rental car package I believe it's only $1500 or so leaving from NY or such. It's in August/Sept timeframe.
You learn the course in chunks with instructors then string it together.
Make your dream come true.
the only transmission on offer is a dual clutch, dual input shaft unit.
There is no toque converter, nor any planetary gearset, but the clutching is accomplished by computer and it does indeed have an automatic operating mode, as well as manually commanded shifts.
WOW... I'm impressed with your knowledge... Really...you must teach me everything you know about lap times, racing, basket weaving, etc... Because I'm truly fascinated by your credentials as the highest authority on all things automotive...and life in general...
thanks, one thing im really waiting for is for top gear to run a test on the new GTR, they are very good showing all aspects of a car.
@Faktas It may push in, as plastic does, but this makes it very difficult to dent. And it's very very lightweight.
actually the small displacement Honda 4's can be driven really hard and never fail once,they are designed to take those high revs,same goes for BMW and other manafacturers
SuperCJ - Mine was a list conjured in the spur of the moment. You're list looks A-OK to me. Hell...I'm a married man with two young kids. Exciting these days is a drive in an Accord. I'm just wondering what best-time I could achieve on the Nurburgring in my Prius?!
On Nurburgring there are lots of long straights and high speed bends which let you use all the power of the car. Weight affects acceleration/deceleration and handling. It is a big factor.
@mrmichaelmw
Im pretty sure when porsche test their new car the team do some tweaking as well to achieve the best performance since the Nur lap times are known to be an official test ranking arena for competitors to duel their developments out.
I was talking to someone else and they mentioned that much of these times are based upon what is known as the "20.6" track length which is not the full track and excludes the very short segment that you see is not timed in the video.
Yeah you can definitely start way later. I am obsessed with racing/driving and didn't really get started until I got my first Jeep at 16 (minus the go-kart races and bumper cars, etc when I was younger). Learning to handle a car doesn't take long if you have a natural feel for it like I do. What I will admit takes the longest (years and years of practice) is learning to choose good (well, the best) lines, andTHAT is whatyou learn overthose years starting from 6.Nodoubt someone canlearn later tho
R35 is still in the chassis code for the new GT-R. Just think of it as a break from model-specific numbering. Sort of like the Celica-Supra split.
It's a Motec Data Logger. You attach it to the ECU and you can record all the goings-on inside the engine for future reference.
This is actually the lap MOST manufacturers and magazines use to measure. The Z06 I believe was an exception, it ran a full lap.
Dont forget that the track is also wet...
Wonder how the Gtr does dry..
That thing is a beast!
As far as I know, Evo-Spec GT-R will have 2 seats and weight reduction as well as a boost in power from the engine (probably this car).
Cam and equip -might- have slowed it down, but it still did an impressive time.
Lets just take it for what it is, a preproduction laptime for the gtr. When independent testing confirms it in production trim pp will stop doubting. Given the specs (473hp/3800lbs) skeptism is bound to happen. Maybe the power is underrated, or the AWD is really that good. We currently don't know yet. & they aren't lying, it's just the time was achieved on a preproduction model.
Stillen gets 610 hp out of the Nissan engine so you can extract more power from it, vs the 475 to 504 it has standard, but its a monster car just off the esembly line! I love that they made the skyline a killer from factory spec...
i think thats because thats the starting grid i think it has something to do with stoping as well if you go as fast as u can into that turn to make you best time is kinda better than going as fast as u can on the small straight and then hitting a turn
there is no "standing start at nurburgring, even for a first lap there is like a quarter mile before the time starts from when people enter the track. At least if im not mistaken.
What a remarkable piece of machinery/technology. For those of you who simply like to "diss" cars because they perform well is ludicrous. What that does exactly is push the competition to improve upon their own design and come up with an improved automobile for YOU to drive. You should praise Nissan for their achievement. AND just for the record im a honda lover and still happy to see this happen
im pretty sure by the end of 2009, there will be 1000hp R35's. Mine's has tuned this car already and if i'm not mistaken, Mine's squeezed 600hp+ on it.
The car is out December 6th I'm pretty sure mzoomora. Only difference between this and production is it had racing seats instead of the normal seats and had all the testing and camera equipment inside.
i was commenting on diefordie's comment on his turboed Si that "handls better" the funny thing is a GT-R can be FWD in a way, if the rear wheels loose all traction, all the power is diverted to the front wheels. sorry for the confusion, obviously any stock car breaking 8 min at nurburgring has exceptional handling.
In fact...that dually pulls my 40' 5th wheel toy hauler. And now that I think about it, this car is so small and cute, I think it would fit in the back of it.
Yeah, Omni was right.. they didn't stop the timer same place as they started it. I think that's what Nizmo was talking about too, but I don't know the track in meters, heh. It seemed like the driver made a ton of mistakes, so I'm certain that a 7:38 is still well within the GT-R's means. Looks like a force to be reckoned with... unless you're in the new Porsche GT2 (7:32 according to Porsche). There's a series of clips of the GT2 running Nordschleife as well on RUclips, interesting view!
@jmauyou Actually, they finish 160-200 metres short for safety reasons... Going flat out towards the first turn to finish the entire lap is a dangerous maneuver.
That was a J-sped gtr, the US Spec one did it at 7:29 cuz they changed the mounts, diff an some other stuff.
rumor has it (and pistonheads confirms it) that this particular run was done on cut slicks and not the stock tires. I'm not sure so I'm just going to wait until the stock production GT-R does a lap (not a concept or prototype).
Just wait and see what happens in Japan - Smoky Nagata probably turns up with one of these great cars with an RB26 init and 1000, just to show how far he can go! ;-)
And what's so much of a problem if they make the car not available with a manual? I don't see how you can "out-clutch" the way the car shifts at the mo, like REALLY quick! This new GTR "shifts expectations" like they say at Nissan. Dirk Schoysman drove the R32 back in the days(1989) to 8 minutes 28 seconds.
@AllYourBase420 The Z06 still costs less though! =)
Do you know how many advantages the GTR has over the Z06? Too many to name.
And yes, Pilot sport cup tires are stock on the 2012 Corvettes.
Even your $170,000 GTR Spec-V couldnt beat the Z06 or ZR1. My, ...my my.
no, it's got a manual mode too. u can switch gears with the paddle shifter thingys.
Yes I get your point. But the LEXUS was a prototype TEST MULE. Not a full bore ready to take on the best of the best race car. Obviously it's needs to get the bugs worked out of it. When the full race version is on the track (not a prototype or test mule) we shall see what happens.
amazing speed for a full flegded 2+2 seater with a serious trunk size!
Also, for the record, I'm actually a classically trained musician. I have met Eric Johnson on several occassions in Austin and have listened Eric Johnson over the past 20 years. I do a pretty good cover of Manhattan and Cliffs of Dover... I loved how you assumed that I'll never be as good as Johnson or Vai.... There are actually many better players in the world, that'll you'll never know of
its not a proper skyline but have the same muscle feeling the 33 and the 34 haves when you see it from the front and for the side.
and even so well..the 4 tail circled backtail lights are there too.
its a¨grower¨ for sure!!
excellent driving on this run, although there were a couple spots where it looked like he could have pushed a little harder
c6 z06 has been out for three years. i'll see if the c6 z06 came out this year. but the zr1 is about to bring the pain. after the zr1 there will be a c7 that will have 700+hp in or around 2010.
the Radical SR8 is pretty much purpose built for racing...a v8 that revs at 10.5..
Can you even take that thing over a speed bump?
Timing around nordscliefe circuit is done in the same way by german auto publications as its done with this GTR.
what z06 needs (or new zr1) isn't transmission but modern rear suspension. Then it would be as fast as GTR.
And just one more thing...you'd be amazed at the sounds that you can get out of a cheap guitar that you cannot get out of an expensive one... Cheaper, lighter, and less dense wood can give you a very bright resonant sound that you can't achieve with a heavier guitar... Remember guitars, just like cars...are 10% equipment, 90% user. Doesn't matter what it CAN do, if you can't make it do it anyway.
Regarding missing out the start/finish straight those of you that have been to the Ring will know it's not possible to time a full lap and therefore from the "Bridge to Gantry" is the recognized time standard that everyone adheres to. The times for the other cars mentioned are all for the same section of track covered so the comparison is absolutely valid. Personally I think there's no doubt the car is an absolute weapon and my deposit is going down on one tomorrow!
Looks like the Top Gear website has a blog entry linked to this video! :)
i think we can expect 7:30 time on Evo versions that have an extra power (520hp if I recall correctly), just with tires it is difficult, unless tester are one hell of a driver... But I'll agree with you, after seing that run, i say another 5-6s can be cut...
The Bugatti Veyron has a twin-clutch sequential manual, which is precisely what the GT-R will have, except that the Veyron's is a seven speed to the GT-R's six.
I imagine some of the others have them as well, but I don't happen to know them off-hand.
In Italy its cost is between 65000 to 92000 E!
Less than a Ferrary F430 and a GranTurismo!
Dude, when I see any sort of vette the first thing that comes to my mind is that whole mid crisis life stigma the car carries along with it. The coming of the GTR is something that should be celebrated by all car enthusiasts. It is a bitch slap to all those manufactures making cars for the so called "elite" in the car world. This car has so many new technological features never seen before that it will revolutionize the way new high performance cars are built. Happy New Year!
Kazutoshi Mizuno (GTR Chief Engineer) himself said that on the 7:38 they used "cut slicks" for tires, not production OEM tires like the Z06. There's a world of difference between race compound tires and standard road tires. I'm not here to bash the GTR, is a great car, the real quality of this car lies in it's active handling AWD, not it's engine.. but still, it wasn't a production trim car that ran the 7:38
@Janusha
their lap times are real. Not marketing. There are people who have those cars and test run them on nur.
@jmauyou
It's just convention. That's how most nurburgring lap times are measured.
@AllYourBase420 Yep, I know what ricer means and the GT-R fits the title pretty well. If the GTR is so fast, why is it that the ZR1 beats it so badly....geesh. The ZR1 ran the times "bone stock". I have driven 20 or so laps at Nurburgring, at least 10 at Hockenheim, Francia Corte in Italy 10 at Laguna Seca, Darlington 5 laps, and tons of autocross runs. I was the runner up winner at the Holley LS Fest two years in a row. Autobahn at 185 mph. And where have you driven, Ricer?
I'm wondering whether the GT-R's engine will be as flexible and mod friendly as the R-34's which was quite a reference in itself.
The GT-R did it on a partialy wet track! I'm not saying it would be better then the CLS but still doing a good lap. Lets wait for a street legally tuned GT-R :)
This was done with a fully stock GT-R. Imagine what a modded one would do! Bigger turbos, injectors, lightweight racing rims with stickier tires. This car is a beast. Pure and simple.
LOL, good points, but I'd say a better test would be the Z06 and the GTR. Sport Auto got a 7:55 out of the Z06 as well on the same track.
I respect both the Corvette and the GT-R. I love both cars, both are an amazing work of engineering. The thing that sticks out the most for me is that the Corvette is about 450 pounds lighter and has about 160 more HP and about 175 more lbs-ft Torque, and yet it is only 12 seconds quicker. My two cents.
I love this racetrack so much!!
It probably is the same for all cars... But they didn't start and stop the timing in the same place... The cameras (that we see in the beginning) are a little bit further ahead... It would take like 2 more seconds to get there.. not a big deal... But odd all the same...
Very nice, but the 7:38 time was only to the beginning of the start finish straight. If the finish time is taken at the same place they started timing from you needs to add an additional 7 seconds. Still very fast, and I still want one.
It was the first thing that came to mind...Do you have a better example?
yup...but after mark up based on individual location demand...you'll probably pay $100,000-$125,000 for the GTR as is being predicted...which is about right.
But seriously..if everyone lets them arrive at the dealership, then wait...the purchase price will drop alot...because the mark up will fall off...but who doesn't know how that works
Japan has yet to make a 200 mph production car. America and Europe both have several 250 mph cars.
Still not sure what you're getting at here. The Skyline, Evo and Impreza, NSX et al, all have legendary handling - which you can't achieve without a good chassis. Also, most of them hover ~300-400bhp (apart from the new GTR). In today's terms, that's not an enormous amount of horsepower (the Zonda F, which holds the Ring record, puts down over 600bhp).
And before you start banging on about 1000bhp+ Skylines, remember we're talking about factory spec...not modified motors.
What was the top speed reached on the long straight away starting at 8:00? I can't make out the speedo read-out past the glare, but I think it was +260 kph?
What I wouldn't give to have a week of practice on the Nurburgring, and then my pick of, say, 10 of the top cars in the world to play with: Veyron, GT-R, McLaren, a half dozen choices of modded jobs: Viper, ZR1, F-1, etc.
There is nothing like a spirited drive thru the countryside...! LOL
I would love to take this baby thru the Santa Cruz Cal mountains on Route 17, then the backroads up to Skyline Drive north, down Route 84 thru La Honda and out to the coast. Then zipp down the PCH Rt 1 to Santa Cruz. that is my Ring..!!
@Faktas I prefer a car that is both good on straight roads AND on corners, ZR1 then
All cars being timed at the ring are timed in exactly the same way. They all start and end the runs at the same spots so it's all legit and fair and equal.
As for the bikes... 2001 N/A GSXR750 best 1/4 mile is 10.545 @ 135.550 other than that, I've got a couple of Suzuki dirt bikes one RM-Z250 for my wife, and an RM-Z450 for me
Hey mate, im glad someone sees where im coming from. Some guy named Al1500321 was clearly comparing the radical to the GT-R and i felt i should educate him on the fact that they cant be compared.
I don't know why it matters what country anyone is from, but I'm also American. This car is my dream car. I would take this over a vette anyday of the week, and even a 911. This car is a work of art.
They do include the pitstop section normally!
Well developed car. The transmission is excellent. I wish the z06 come out with something similar, then maybe it becomes a real supercar.
No matter what this is a great performance price for the money. It's able to hang with a Porsche that costs twice as much. I have never been a fan of Japanese cars but I give credit to this one.
Sick track! I would die and go to heaven if i could drive on it.
The Track Spec Version they have promised should be at least 10 seconds faster; can't wait!
It was with their best driver xD
I'll guess we'll find out when they are officially on the market. . . . . .
Don't you just love the GT-R!
@ParisTNDude You guarantee me what exactly? GTR isn't stock? Funny how it says that about the '12 ZR1 but doesn't say anything about the GTR not being stock, not to mention, once again, semi-wet conditions and 2012 ZR1 isn't even available for purchase. GTR didn't even competitively start racing until 2010 and had its fair share of victories too under stiff regulations... Don't really understand your point here...
this gtr isnt like the previous ones which were watered down, this is stand alone built to compete at top level
I never said the ZO6 handles better than the GTR. That would be crazy talk for sure. As for the styling, I like the GTR, but I guess I am partial to the Corvette a little more in that category. Both great cars though.
Don't bother my friend, some people still think a paper stats with power to weight ratio will determine the speed and final outcome. They are hoppless, stability and suspension systems play even bigger role. THIS is why this new GTR is so good, and even 911 Turbo with same amount of hp and more weight is whole 15s faster than F430. When they (IF they) manage to drive something fast they'll see that power and speed isn't the whole story.
That's the question at hand Andreas. This is a prototype. It could easily be 500hp and Nissan could be using this video to generate a buzz. No one would know. If it is stock then I can't even imagine what kind of numbers the evo model will do.
Excellent time for a production car.
I thought it had production tires on it... Unless they're going to put slick tires on at the factory.
This car must be making up all of the time with the extremely quick shifts... I wonder what the time would be with a regular old stick shift lol... Probably atleast 10 seconds more. Cool car though. V6 power. :)
@Janusha Bro it's not a media stunt if they have proof. If you've ever seen the Enzo, MC12, Koenigsegg, or Zonda lap times, they have the largest crew you'll ever see for a test. They even made it into a film.
The car looks very nice and capable for sure, but the time as shown on the video is not accurate for a full lap. Watch the video closely as before the timer starts you see the blue covering over the barrier on the right. They start the timer at the end of this, but stop the timer at the start of this. This omission of this low speed 4-500ft section is shortens the lap by roughly 5 seconds. Unless this is a commonly accepted way of measuring a full lap, the 7:38 should be closer to a 7:43.
That gave me a thrill like no other!
On Top Gear they said that the Corvette Z06 goes around the Nurburgring at 7:43 seconds;therefore the Nissan Skyline is faster than Z06..wow!
that is just amazing Japanese engineering for you.
Not a sports car, sports cars are two seaters, normally reared mounted and built for track, then made for road. This is a wonderful TOY!!!!!
First off the GTR is turbo OHC, not N.A. pushrod engine based on the C5R. Both engines are fine, difference is you can EASILY get 200 hp out of a Vette, can't touch a GTR engine apparently. Otherwise, Z06 Vettes laugh at 997 Turbo's, so I don't think a GTR will be much different. Just look at the acceleration difference once your past 30mph. And the corvette is just as aerodynamic if not much more (it's way smaller)
The GTR got beat in 5 lap show down at tsukuba track in japan by murciolago SL. The Lambo came from about 5 car length behind and won by that much. Murciolago SL time on the ring is alot slower. Go figure?
The LEGEND is HERE.
i just hope the car in the video is the same model of which will be on the road equipped whit normal tyres and so on.
i hope this model is the real one i could buy whitout strange or particular modification just to beat teh record.
i love Skylines,(Rx7 as a favorite) adn you actually have a good point with the Z06..its a insanly fast car,not as sophisticated as a G-tr handlingwhise,but eitherway it could prolly match a Gt-r on the track...and like these others and myself..discussing whats best is pointless,cause everyone will stand on theyre own:p
Thanks
I never said it was a bad car, it's fantastic, but like in all things in life, there's always something better.
Also...I hope all of you are doing well enough in life to own a car like this. If ya do have the priveledge to own a beast of a car, or truck in my case, don't be racing it on the streets...take it to the track... I hear through the youtube grapevine that Nurburgring is a really nice one... Keep the rubber side down, and stay safe.
Peace