Adventists won't get the mark of the beast for one Sunday a year because in Eastern Samoa Adventists keep Sunday every week and I haven't heard any of them getting some kind of mark on their forehead or hand. But to be serious easter was traditionally a very important celebration every year
Carols comments qre exhibit A of why Adventist churches dont do Easter enthusiastically -- many more conservative Adventists (especially of older generations, i think) are against it. That being said, Adventist Easter Sabbath services ive been to tend to emphasize how Jesus kept the Sabbath in the grave. 😂 Such an Adventist take. Some Adventist churches do have Sonrise services on Easter Sunday.
I actually think there has been a push in Adventist churches in more recent times to celebrate Easter more enthusiastically, because other Christians have looked at SDAs and thought they weren't really Christian because they didn't celebrate the resurrection. I don't have any evidence, but listening to this jogged something along those lines from my memory.
We are calling ourselves Spiritual Israelites. If that’s so, we are Jewish by tradition. Jesus Christ died during a Jewish festival - it wasn’t Easter! If we’re going to celebrate His resurrection, then we should do it properly - not chocolate eggs and bunny rabbits! Also we should do it at Passover, which this year begins from 22April. If we did it conscientiously and correctly, we would celebrate it for 8 days and have our praise and worship incorporate His resurrection. We don’t have to concern ourselves about worshipping on a Sunday, we do the same with Week of Prayer, Camp Meeting, Campaigns and Crusades! The reason why we shouldn’t do it at Easter, is because Easter has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.
@@caroleceres I get your thinking on that. I don't agree, but that's beside the point. I'm just saying that there have been enough other Adventists who think similarly that it has been reason for many SDA churches not to make a big deal of Easter.
I thought the whole issue was not that we don't emphasize the resurrection, but that "Easter" is a pagan holiday and has nothing to do with Christ except for how Christian culture has adopted it.. interesting how that didn't come up in this discussion and keen to know your thoughts. I enjoy listening to you guys! Thanks for what you're doing.
The same argument can be applied to Christmas, but the bottom line is this: it’s a symbolic reminder to remember and celebrate Jesus rising from the dead. Should we not use the opportunity to celebrate that within our church?
I totally agree with you! Whilst I have enjoyed (& learned from) some of these vlogs, I frequently wonder why the hosts don’t at least highlight a biblical stance to marry with or against the current cultural climate. Many of the discussions are not always relevant to those of us in the UK, but I’m surprised that there is no mention in this vlog of at least on the origins of Easter (also Christmas) and lead off from there.
@@seanlehnhoff9416 it’s not God’s symbolic reminder! Jesus told His disciples to practice the breaking of bread and drinking of wine “often, in remembrance of Me.” THAT is the symbolic reminder! Let’s face it, we’re not and the world certainly isn’t, practicing ANYTHING that reminds us of Jesus at Easter time. Easter Eggs Bunny Rabbits Hot Cross Buns… 🤷🏾♀️ And the Adventist Church™ does NOTHING to reach out and Evangelise during these seasons! There Should be an Official Stance and these Young Ministers should be helping us all to find it and navigate its path. Counteract the counterfeit! Shine a light in the darkness! Encourage and empower us to be a Peculiar People!
I actually think that the discussion topic should have been “Should Adventists Celebrate Easter?” Or, “Why Adventists Don’t Celebrate Easter.” I was hoping that you would have kicked off with the etymology of Easter…
I’m English! I don’t understand why the N American church feel as if they HAVE TO conform to the ‘Christian ‘ calendar, which we know is based on formerly pagan rites. Why don’t we follow Jewish traditions/festivals?
@@BarRafiSimon please study the history of the early church. It’s important that we know how Satan is deceiving us! We shouldn’t be ‘arguing’ amongst ourselves… “As a moveable feast, the date of Easter is determined in each year through a calculation known as computus (Latin for 'computation'). Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the Paschal full moon, which is the first full moon on or after 21 March (a fixed approximation of the March equinox). Determining this date in advance requires a correlation between the lunar months and the solar year, while also accounting for the month, date, and weekday of the Julian or Gregorian calendar. The complexity of the algorithm arises because of the desire to associate the date of Easter with the date of the Jewish feast of Passover which, Christians believe, is when Jesus was crucified. A calendar of the dates of Easter, for the 95 years 532-626, marble, in the Museum of Ravenna Cathedral, Italy. Five 19-year cycles are represented as concentric circles. Dates are given using the system of the Roman calendar, as well as the day of the lunar month. It was originally feasible for the entire Christian Church to receive the date of Easter each year through an annual announcement by the pope. By the early third century, however, communications in the Roman Empire had deteriorated to the point that the church put great value in a system that would allow the clergy to determine the date for themselves, independently yet consistently. *Additionally, the church wished to eliminate dependencies on the Hebrew calendar*, by deriving the date for Easter directly from the March equinox.”
The devil is using these manmade festivals to turn our eyes away from God. Practically no one who professes to be a Christian, is actually commemorating Christ’s death and resurrection on the actual anniversary of the occurrence. It’s all a commercial endeavour and buying chocolate treats or having bouncy castles are NOT the way we worship God. So even if we were to celebrate the anniversary of Jesus’ death and resurrection, there should be a more Christ focused celebration. Jesus actually did give us a way to remember His death and resurrection:- Communion and Baptism. He never told us to celebrate it in any other way! Doing “amazing stuff!” What are we doing it for? Entertainment for us or Glorification to God?
I was invited and attended a Sunday Easter worship. On the wall of the Catholic church, there was a 10-15’ bronze cross with Jesus crucified. It gave me the creeps. Yes I know He died for our sins, but I choose to SEE an empty grave and Risen Jesus. Just sharing a thought.
Interesting listening to this chat, you guys make it sound like SDA are stuffy, emotionless, stick up our backside people. You really don’t need a wild dance party or sacrilegious stage props to have joy and true gratitude for what Jesus has done for us. My grandpa and uncles were SDA pastors and I’ve had such a full, rich, adventurous life full of blessings and trials… Maybe modern media and entertainment makes us seem boring? Because we don’t whoop and yell, and roll on the ground in church? I can do that kind of thing while kayaking or mountain biking, but things of God do deserve reverence and respect. Interesting perspectives for sure.
I have to disagree on Christianity starting at the cross, as important as that event is. The religion may have started with Jesus (Son of Man), but Christianity as a concept goes all the way back to Adam and Eve walking with Christ in Eden. Jesus’ arrival, life, death, resurrection was just God reconnecting with humanity something that had been lost. If I mess up big time, get thrown in the slammer, and my Dad comes and pays my bail, he doesn’t become my Dad at that moment. Christ has always been our Creator, and with His first coming He’s just blazing the escape trail, leading us out of darkness into His marvelous light, so we can be face to face with Him one day…again.
The temple veil was torn when Jesus was on the cross. We would still have a temple service without the crucifixion. We would not have any semblance of our current christian style worship.
Sabbath is definitely a celebration of God being our Creator, of His amazing Creation in this world, of His desire for relationship with us… But it’s not connected to the cross (except for by God’s love for us). The cross is the center of the rescue plan, while Sabbath is what would have been happening every week all along if we had never distrusted and disobeyed and fallen to sin. After sin is destroyed Sabbath will still be celebrated (Isaiah 66:22-23). In that way, it’s independent from everything God is doing to ransom us back from death and eternal destruction, because it exists with or without sin’s existence. (Sorry, too many comments, and I know this recording is 4 years old, but still very interesting.)
@@rayray4192 To your point: “there shall be no night there” Revelation 21:25. Why is that? “The city had no need of the sun or moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.” verse 23. This is talking about the New Jerusalem on the New Earth. God will create “a new heaven” (sky, firmament, possibly sun and moon), but they won’t be needed to light God’s holy city. What about the rest of the earth? We’re not told. But if God sets things up for no day/night cycle for the whole planet, it would be narrow minded and foolish for us to think that He could not have any other way of indicating when the Sabbath arrives each week. God is not limited by our perceptions and understanding. If He says all flesh will come to worship before Him from one Sabbath to another in the New Earth, I believe Him.
Are we not a peculiar people? Are we not people of the book? Sola Scriptura? If so, we have been given specific instructions: 1. Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy. 2. Do this in Remembrance of Me. 3. Go into all the world and make Disciples. Teaching them to observe all things… baptising them… 4. If you love me, keep my Commandments. 5. A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you. 6. Come out of her my people. 7. We are the 3 Angels “saying with a loud voice” There is nowhere in the Bible that tells us to celebrate Jesus’ birth. Jesus told us to remember (& commemorate) His death and life by regularly participating in the Holy Communion. I truly believe that Satan is using these as distractions to take our eyes off of Jesus. The reason He sacrificed Himself for us! He gave us specific instructions on what to do now.
Didn't the apostles meet to have communion daily/weekly? Why then do you do communion quarterly? We are sola scriptura, not SOLO scriptura. The Bible doesn't say many things yet we do them. We have quarterly communion, grape juice, unleavened bread... none of that is in the Bible. Sola Scriptura is not the idea that the Bible is the only source of information, but it means the Bible is the only infaillable authority and rule of faith and practice. But fundamentalists will never understand this.
Easter follows the Jewish Passover the Passover being adjusted at a different date every year. The difference with the easter it is celebrated on a weekend preserving the Friday Saturday Sunday event. In the early Church easter was a time to be baptised for many and was well established . Easter is no way some evil Pagan thing that should be avoided. I have heard the argument that Easter is Pagan because Easter follows the moon and this is true because the Passover follows the Moon in the Jewish system called nisan14. In the Anglican tradition " He is Alive" response is " He is alive indeed"
As I understand it, Easter is following the lunar dates of the winter solstice in line with the spring festival of worship of Nimrods’s mother (whose name I can’t recall). The Nicean Council didn’t want to follow the Jewish Passover tradition of 15 Nissan, they wanted to separate themselves from that. The Spring Solstice was close to the Passover dates and the pagan community was already celebrating it! Just like Christmas, the Roman Church adapted the pagan celebration for Christianity. If we were truly going to commemorate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, then we would do so at the Passover celebration, which this year is 22-29 April. We’re blindly following Satan’s lead and turning our eyes away from God. (Bunny Rabbits and Eggs! What have they to do with Christ’s death and resurrection!)?
@@caroleceres It falls on the first Sunday after the full moon that follows the spring equinox. The Jehovahs witnesses do Easter on nisan 14 which is the Passover and always before Easter but in doing so they don't have the Friday Saturday and Sunday event. The Jehovahs Witness Easter is always on the full moon Passover in 2025 will be on the same date as Easter which is 20th April
@@barryford1482 I’m pretty sure that the JW’s DON’T celebrate Easter - they don’t celebrate anything - mainly because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ. He’s not their Saviour. I’m surprised that you’re citing this blatant untruth. You can’t know any JW’s! They don’t even celebrate their birthdays!
@@caroleceresAdventist cultists have a fake probation officer Jesus and are going to eternal hell fire as idolaters. Adventists do not have the real Jesus. They have investigative judgment Jesus.
It’s actually only this year that I’ve clued up (consciously), that Easter has nothing to do with the actual death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is what Christians are supposed to be celebrating! He wasn’t crucified at Easter. He was crucified during the Jewish Passover festival which, this year is next month! (22-29 April) It’s truly only just occurred to me that we always have Easter over a Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and an Easter Sunday! Contrived and man made. If we’re actually going to commemorate the actual crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, then we should do it on the actual anniversary… The Adventist Encyclopaedia explains why, as Adventists we don’t subscribe to this ultimately pagan tradition.
Jews use a lunar year and in 2024 there is an extra month added because the lunar year is 11 days shorter and there has to be an adjustment every three or four years. This is the reason the Passover is about one month out with the Christian Easter not because of paganism
@@barryford1482 it doesn’t matter. The Passover is when Jesus was crucified. Not at Easter. A simple google search will give you the history of Ishtar, which the early church adopted and called Easter. We should be commemorating Passover as the scriptural proof of the crucifixion, it really is that simple. Everywhere on RUclips you can find the etymology of Spring Festival that is Easter, both Adventists and non-Adventists have videos about it! In addition, if you look up “Easter” in the SDA Encyclopaedia, it will succinctly explain to you why we as a church do not acknowledge the manmade tradition of Easter. The devil is always attempting to deceive us, but with our modern technology we can easily see past the lie. It’s about time that we did! Also, if you check, there are very few times when Easter and the Passover align, because Easter always occurs over a weekend. That’s not a genuine anniversary. No one’s birthday falls on the same day every single year.
@@rayray4192 that’s if that’s what happens. Given this video discussion, I’m guessing that in N America that isn’t the case! We don’t have the same level of angst in the UK SDA community. Easter was not given to us by God or by Jesus. Easter has been created by mankind. We would know that if we took conscious notice. I’m learning that this year, for the first time. Easter wasn’t given to us, you’ll find it nowhere in the Bible. Not Easter Not Valentines Day Not St Patrick’s Day Not Independence Day Not Labour Day Not Lent Not Halloween Not Christmas Day Not New Year’s Day They’re all man made. We choose to celebrate them (or not). I’m suggesting that we should be more mindful of what/why we’re choosing to celebrate them and how we do it…
I think Adventist are indifferent on that day because it’s pagan. I think Adventism focuses on what’s real like obeying and trusting God. They are more excited about His return and Loving God and others. They seem more focused on the bible and what it has to say. Folks might say they are so heavenly minded they are not fun. People like loud music & celebrations they like to enjoy themselves need an experiential religion in order to make themselves feel good about their faith. Lets face it following the word of God is boring much more fun to celebrate the traditions of men that keep the commandments of God right?
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men. That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says. Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism. One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc. Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.
"Adventists don't know what to do with Easter." This is probably why Adventists don't understand why Sunday is the Lord's Day. The early Christians understood exactly what to do with Easter (Pascha).
Plenty of evidence that the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day. Rev 1:10: "On the Lord's holy Sabbath day, I was filled with the Spirit, and I heard a voice behind me, clear and sharp like the report of a trumpet,"
Lk 23:55-56: "The women who came with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb where Jesus' body was laid. Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes to anoint the body, but they rested on the Sabbath, in harmony with the commandment."
Mk 2:27-28: "After giving them a moment to think, he said, "The Sabbath was created as a gift for humanity - to be a blessing for human beings. Human beings were not created as a gift for the Sabbath. Understand this clearly: the Son of Man doesn't serve the Sabbath; the Sabbath serves him.""
All of you, your general tone is negative and critical about Adventists. So you guys are going to change the Adventist church through negativity? I don't understand that you think you are going to accomplish.
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men. That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says. Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism. One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc. Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men. That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says. Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism. One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc. Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.
Adventists won't get the mark of the beast for one Sunday a year because in Eastern Samoa Adventists keep Sunday every week and I haven't heard any of them getting some kind of mark on their forehead or hand. But to be serious easter was traditionally a very important celebration every year
I love that were having these conversations. If we don't, the emotions will simply be pent up and express themselves in negative ways.
Carols comments qre exhibit A of why Adventist churches dont do Easter enthusiastically -- many more conservative Adventists (especially of older generations, i think) are against it.
That being said, Adventist Easter Sabbath services ive been to tend to emphasize how Jesus kept the Sabbath in the grave. 😂 Such an Adventist take.
Some Adventist churches do have Sonrise services on Easter Sunday.
I actually think there has been a push in Adventist churches in more recent times to celebrate Easter more enthusiastically, because other Christians have looked at SDAs and thought they weren't really Christian because they didn't celebrate the resurrection. I don't have any evidence, but listening to this jogged something along those lines from my memory.
We are calling ourselves Spiritual Israelites. If that’s so, we are Jewish by tradition. Jesus Christ died during a Jewish festival - it wasn’t Easter!
If we’re going to celebrate His resurrection, then we should do it properly - not chocolate eggs and bunny rabbits! Also we should do it at Passover, which this year begins from 22April.
If we did it conscientiously and correctly, we would celebrate it for 8 days and have our praise and worship incorporate His resurrection.
We don’t have to concern ourselves about worshipping on a Sunday, we do the same with Week of Prayer, Camp Meeting, Campaigns and Crusades!
The reason why we shouldn’t do it at Easter, is because Easter has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.
@@caroleceres I get your thinking on that. I don't agree, but that's beside the point. I'm just saying that there have been enough other Adventists who think similarly that it has been reason for many SDA churches not to make a big deal of Easter.
Jesus was always working. His father was working and Jesus did what his father did.
@@caroleceresthere is no concept of spiritual Israel. You can’t present biblical evidence that Adventists are spiritual Israel.
I thought the whole issue was not that we don't emphasize the resurrection, but that "Easter" is a pagan holiday and has nothing to do with Christ except for how Christian culture has adopted it.. interesting how that didn't come up in this discussion and keen to know your thoughts. I enjoy listening to you guys! Thanks for what you're doing.
The same argument can be applied to Christmas, but the bottom line is this: it’s a symbolic reminder to remember and celebrate Jesus rising from the dead. Should we not use the opportunity to celebrate that within our church?
I totally agree with you!
Whilst I have enjoyed (& learned from) some of these vlogs, I frequently wonder why the hosts don’t at least highlight a biblical stance to marry with or against the current cultural climate.
Many of the discussions are not always relevant to those of us in the UK, but I’m surprised that there is no mention in this vlog of at least on the origins of Easter (also Christmas) and lead off from there.
@@seanlehnhoff9416 it’s not God’s symbolic reminder! Jesus told His disciples to practice the breaking of bread and drinking of wine “often, in remembrance of Me.” THAT is the symbolic reminder!
Let’s face it, we’re not and the world certainly isn’t, practicing ANYTHING that reminds us of Jesus at Easter time.
Easter Eggs
Bunny Rabbits
Hot Cross Buns… 🤷🏾♀️
And the Adventist Church™ does NOTHING to reach out and Evangelise during these seasons! There Should be an Official Stance and these Young Ministers should be helping us all to find it and navigate its path.
Counteract the counterfeit! Shine a light in the darkness! Encourage and empower us to be a Peculiar People!
I was bought up SDA and never understood why Jesus died on the cross. At Easter we got the story of jesus's birth. Very odd.
Passover and the life, death and resurrection of the Lamb of God is what we should be celebrating
I actually think that the discussion topic should have been “Should Adventists Celebrate Easter?” Or, “Why Adventists Don’t Celebrate Easter.”
I was hoping that you would have kicked off with the etymology of Easter…
I’m English! I don’t understand why the N American church feel as if they HAVE TO conform to the ‘Christian ‘ calendar, which we know is based on formerly pagan rites.
Why don’t we follow Jewish traditions/festivals?
Please study the history of Pascha. It's actually based on Passover, not pagan rites.
@@BarRafiSimon please study the history of the early church. It’s important that we know how Satan is deceiving us! We shouldn’t be ‘arguing’ amongst ourselves…
“As a moveable feast, the date of Easter is determined in each year through a calculation known as computus (Latin for 'computation'). Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the Paschal full moon, which is the first full moon on or after 21 March (a fixed approximation of the March equinox). Determining this date in advance requires a correlation between the lunar months and the solar year, while also accounting for the month, date, and weekday of the Julian or Gregorian calendar. The complexity of the algorithm arises because of the desire to associate the date of Easter with the date of the Jewish feast of Passover which, Christians believe, is when Jesus was crucified.
A calendar of the dates of Easter, for the 95 years 532-626, marble, in the Museum of Ravenna Cathedral, Italy. Five 19-year cycles are represented as concentric circles. Dates are given using the system of the Roman calendar, as well as the day of the lunar month.
It was originally feasible for the entire Christian Church to receive the date of Easter each year through an annual announcement by the pope. By the early third century, however, communications in the Roman Empire had deteriorated to the point that the church put great value in a system that would allow the clergy to determine the date for themselves, independently yet consistently. *Additionally, the church wished to eliminate dependencies on the Hebrew calendar*, by deriving the date for Easter directly from the March equinox.”
Why don’t you attend synagogue and be done with the charade? You aren’t Christians.
The devil is using these manmade festivals to turn our eyes away from God. Practically no one who professes to be a Christian, is actually commemorating Christ’s death and resurrection on the actual anniversary of the occurrence. It’s all a commercial endeavour and buying chocolate treats or having bouncy castles are NOT the way we worship God.
So even if we were to celebrate the anniversary of Jesus’ death and resurrection, there should be a more Christ focused celebration.
Jesus actually did give us a way to remember His death and resurrection:- Communion and Baptism. He never told us to celebrate it in any other way!
Doing “amazing stuff!” What are we doing it for? Entertainment for us or Glorification to God?
I was invited and attended a Sunday Easter worship. On the wall of the Catholic church, there was a 10-15’ bronze cross with Jesus crucified. It gave me the creeps. Yes I know He died for our sins, but I choose to SEE an empty grave and Risen Jesus. Just sharing a thought.
All the more reason for our churches to host a Sunday Easter service then!
Interesting listening to this chat, you guys make it sound like SDA are stuffy, emotionless, stick up our backside people. You really don’t need a wild dance party or sacrilegious stage props to have joy and true gratitude for what Jesus has done for us. My grandpa and uncles were SDA pastors and I’ve had such a full, rich, adventurous life full of blessings and trials… Maybe modern media and entertainment makes us seem boring? Because we don’t whoop and yell, and roll on the ground in church? I can do that kind of thing while kayaking or mountain biking, but things of God do deserve reverence and respect. Interesting perspectives for sure.
I have to disagree on Christianity starting at the cross, as important as that event is. The religion may have started with Jesus (Son of Man), but Christianity as a concept goes all the way back to Adam and Eve walking with Christ in Eden. Jesus’ arrival, life, death, resurrection was just God reconnecting with humanity something that had been lost. If I mess up big time, get thrown in the slammer, and my Dad comes and pays my bail, he doesn’t become my Dad at that moment. Christ has always been our Creator, and with His first coming He’s just blazing the escape trail, leading us out of darkness into His marvelous light, so we can be face to face with Him one day…again.
The temple veil was torn when Jesus was on the cross. We would still have a temple service without the crucifixion. We would not have any semblance of our current christian style worship.
Sabbath is definitely a celebration of God being our Creator, of His amazing Creation in this world, of His desire for relationship with us… But it’s not connected to the cross (except for by God’s love for us). The cross is the center of the rescue plan, while Sabbath is what would have been happening every week all along if we had never distrusted and disobeyed and fallen to sin. After sin is destroyed Sabbath will still be celebrated (Isaiah 66:22-23). In that way, it’s independent from everything God is doing to ransom us back from death and eternal destruction, because it exists with or without sin’s existence. (Sorry, too many comments, and I know this recording is 4 years old, but still very interesting.)
The power of sin has already been destroyed by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You are bible illiterate
So there will be a moon in heaven and the passing of days?
@@rayray4192 To your point: “there shall be no night there” Revelation 21:25. Why is that? “The city had no need of the sun or moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.” verse 23. This is talking about the New Jerusalem on the New Earth. God will create “a new heaven” (sky, firmament, possibly sun and moon), but they won’t be needed to light God’s holy city. What about the rest of the earth? We’re not told. But if God sets things up for no day/night cycle for the whole planet, it would be narrow minded and foolish for us to think that He could not have any other way of indicating when the Sabbath arrives each week. God is not limited by our perceptions and understanding. If He says all flesh will come to worship before Him from one Sabbath to another in the New Earth, I believe Him.
Are we not a peculiar people? Are we not people of the book? Sola Scriptura?
If so, we have been given specific instructions:
1. Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.
2. Do this in Remembrance of Me.
3. Go into all the world and make Disciples. Teaching them to observe all things… baptising them…
4. If you love me, keep my Commandments.
5. A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you.
6. Come out of her my people.
7. We are the 3 Angels “saying with a loud voice”
There is nowhere in the Bible that tells us to celebrate Jesus’ birth. Jesus told us to remember (& commemorate) His death and life by regularly participating in the Holy Communion.
I truly believe that Satan is using these as distractions to take our eyes off of Jesus. The reason He sacrificed Himself for us!
He gave us specific instructions on what to do now.
Didn't the apostles meet to have communion daily/weekly? Why then do you do communion quarterly? We are sola scriptura, not SOLO scriptura. The Bible doesn't say many things yet we do them. We have quarterly communion, grape juice, unleavened bread... none of that is in the Bible. Sola Scriptura is not the idea that the Bible is the only source of information, but it means the Bible is the only infaillable authority and rule of faith and practice. But fundamentalists will never understand this.
Easter follows the Jewish Passover the Passover being adjusted at a different date every year. The difference with the easter it is celebrated on a weekend preserving the Friday Saturday Sunday event. In the early Church easter was a time to be baptised for many and was well established . Easter is no way some evil Pagan thing that should be avoided.
I have heard the argument that Easter is Pagan because Easter follows the moon and this is true because the Passover follows the Moon in the Jewish system called nisan14.
In the Anglican tradition " He is Alive" response is " He is alive indeed"
As I understand it, Easter is following the lunar dates of the winter solstice in line with the spring festival of worship of Nimrods’s mother (whose name I can’t recall). The Nicean Council didn’t want to follow the Jewish Passover tradition of 15 Nissan, they wanted to separate themselves from that.
The Spring Solstice was close to the Passover dates and the pagan community was already celebrating it! Just like Christmas, the Roman Church adapted the pagan celebration for Christianity.
If we were truly going to commemorate the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, then we would do so at the Passover celebration, which this year is 22-29 April.
We’re blindly following Satan’s lead and turning our eyes away from God.
(Bunny Rabbits and Eggs! What have they to do with Christ’s death and resurrection!)?
@@caroleceres It falls on the first Sunday after the full moon that follows the spring equinox. The Jehovahs witnesses do Easter on nisan 14 which is the Passover and always before Easter but in doing so they don't have the Friday Saturday and Sunday event. The Jehovahs Witness Easter is always on the full moon
Passover in 2025 will be on the same date as Easter which is 20th April
@@barryford1482 I’m pretty sure that the JW’s DON’T celebrate Easter - they don’t celebrate anything - mainly because they don’t believe in Jesus Christ. He’s not their Saviour. I’m surprised that you’re citing this blatant untruth. You can’t know any JW’s! They don’t even celebrate their birthdays!
@@caroleceresAdventist cultists have a fake probation officer Jesus and are going to eternal hell fire as idolaters. Adventists do not have the real Jesus. They have investigative judgment Jesus.
It’s actually only this year that I’ve clued up (consciously), that Easter has nothing to do with the actual death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, which is what Christians are supposed to be celebrating! He wasn’t crucified at Easter. He was crucified during the Jewish Passover festival which, this year is next month! (22-29 April)
It’s truly only just occurred to me that we always have Easter over a Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and an Easter Sunday! Contrived and man made. If we’re actually going to commemorate the actual crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, then we should do it on the actual anniversary…
The Adventist Encyclopaedia explains why, as Adventists we don’t subscribe to this ultimately pagan tradition.
Jews use a lunar year and in 2024 there is an extra month added because the lunar year is 11 days shorter and there has to be an adjustment every three or four years. This is the reason the Passover is about one month out with the Christian Easter not because of paganism
@@barryford1482 it doesn’t matter. The Passover is when Jesus was crucified. Not at Easter. A simple google search will give you the history of Ishtar, which the early church adopted and called Easter.
We should be commemorating Passover as the scriptural proof of the crucifixion, it really is that simple. Everywhere on RUclips you can find the etymology of Spring Festival that is Easter, both Adventists and non-Adventists have videos about it!
In addition, if you look up “Easter” in the SDA Encyclopaedia, it will succinctly explain to you why we as a church do not acknowledge the manmade tradition of Easter.
The devil is always attempting to deceive us, but with our modern technology we can easily see past the lie. It’s about time that we did!
Also, if you check, there are very few times when Easter and the Passover align, because Easter always occurs over a weekend. That’s not a genuine anniversary. No one’s birthday falls on the same day every single year.
Easter can be what you want it to be. Gathering with believers to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus is a good thing.
@@rayray4192 that’s if that’s what happens. Given this video discussion, I’m guessing that in N America that isn’t the case!
We don’t have the same level of angst in the UK SDA community.
Easter was not given to us by God or by Jesus. Easter has been created by mankind. We would know that if we took conscious notice. I’m learning that this year, for the first time.
Easter wasn’t given to us, you’ll find it nowhere in the Bible.
Not Easter
Not Valentines Day
Not St Patrick’s Day
Not Independence Day
Not Labour Day
Not Lent
Not Halloween
Not Christmas Day
Not New Year’s Day
They’re all man made. We choose to celebrate them (or not). I’m suggesting that we should be more mindful of what/why we’re choosing to celebrate them and how we do it…
Easter is pagan if you are a pagan. As an Adventist cultist you are a pagan.
Easter comes from Ishtar, goddess of fertility or something
I think Adventist are indifferent on that day because it’s pagan. I think Adventism focuses on what’s real like obeying and trusting God. They are more excited about His return and Loving God and others. They seem more focused on the bible and what it has to say. Folks might say they are so heavenly minded they are not fun. People like loud music & celebrations they like to enjoy themselves need an experiential religion in order to make themselves feel good about their faith. Lets face it following the word of God is boring much more fun to celebrate the traditions of men that keep the commandments of God right?
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men.
That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says.
Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism.
One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc.
Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.
"Adventists don't know what to do with Easter." This is probably why Adventists don't understand why Sunday is the Lord's Day. The early Christians understood exactly what to do with Easter (Pascha).
Plenty of evidence that the 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day.
Rev 1:10: "On the Lord's holy Sabbath day, I was filled with the Spirit, and I heard a voice behind me, clear and sharp like the report of a trumpet,"
Lk 23:55-56: "The women who came with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb where Jesus' body was laid. Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes to anoint the body, but they rested on the Sabbath, in harmony with the commandment."
Mk 2:27-28: "After giving them a moment to think, he said, "The Sabbath was created as a gift for humanity - to be a blessing for human beings. Human beings were not created as a gift for the Sabbath. Understand this clearly: the Son of Man doesn't serve the Sabbath; the Sabbath serves him.""
@@cosmicure-truthinshort2038 You seem to be quoting from a very loose paraphrase. Try reading a literal translation.
@@cosmicure-truthinshort2038which Bible translation are you quoting from, please?
This topic should not come up. We dont celebrate easter. Period
All of you, your general tone is negative and critical about Adventists. So you guys are going to change the Adventist church through negativity? I don't understand that you think you are going to accomplish.
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men.
That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says.
Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism.
One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc.
Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.
They're liberal-minded Adventists. They're nothing more than the liberal-minded Sadducees in Christ's day who flippantly chided the idea of keeping the commandments of God. I don't really like the tone of their message either; very self-righteous and critical of others who don't hold to keeping traditions of men.
That's why I can't stand either wing of Adventism-conservative or liberal; they both hold to traditions of men and neither of them walk humbly before God and what His Word says.
Remember-it was both the conservative Pharisaical class and liberal Sadduceean class that crucified our Savior. They're both at one another's throats yet in both classes their hearts are hard and are far from the Lord. That's why I've become more moderate and do not prescribe to the traditions of either of these classes within Adventism.
One group literally believes all sins were punished in Christ and thereby we receive judicial pardon for our sins. The other side believes it's right and good to behold ourselves to worldly influences found in music, dress, etc.
Be wary of these two classes of Adventists-they're both trying to purposefully divide the church and get more moderate Seventh-day Adventists who don't hold up extremes to join their group.