@@monmothma3358 if you think about it, it’s very similar too Lann the clever the first Lannister who was rumored too have snuck into casterly rock and impregnate the daughters of the King of the Rock putting his own blood on the throne supplanting the family there
I'm not sure that's hurt as much as utter disgust. I think there's a part of him maybe trying to convince himself she's lying either to hurt or shock him but say what you will about Tywin but he is very smart and very strategical so I'm pretty sure deep down he realizes Cersei isn't lying. So, if word got out and people realized this, that would illigitimize Joffery, Tommen and Marcella so....who who be the rightful heir to the thrown? I guess Gendry? Lol
@@fortheloveofcats2462 even Ned Stark living in a late medieval period without any genetic knowledge knew that brown hair/eyes/skin are dominant genes
@@maestroclassico5801 I did, and while that was luckily the truth (it still ended up badly for Ned) there was a very good probability that Cersei's children would look like her, whatever the father may have looked like. Ned Stark did a gamble which cost him his life.
@@juliushill5153 You know what else? Noone likes a smug know-it-all that is not even a real know-it-all because he/she doesn't know basic things because there was no mistake made in the OP's post.
I love his fidgeting at the end of this clip. He usually has so much control over his posture (which Charles Dance is able to pull off brilliantly) that this is really telling how badly this conversation shook him.
In my opinion this is one of - if not THE - best acted scenes in the entire show. It's insane how much he conveys with just his eyes, he was literally less terrified when Tyrion killed him. All the actors on the show are incredible, but Charles Dance as Tywin is something else, with his mere presence demanding respect at all times. I can't think of another instance where he lost a power struggle and didn't (couldn't) even attempt to regain control, assert his dominance or at the very least appear unfazed. A scared, speechless and defenseless Tywin was amazing to witness. It's like imagining The Hound becoming a motivational speaker or something haha. God I miss the earlier seasons . I'll never forgive them for destroying GoT.
Tywin was practically immortal and infallible. His ONLY weakness were his 3 children and his inability to look past his dynastic pride. Every single fuck up he ever makes while playing the game of thrones relates directly to his inability to see, understand, and handle his kids.
Not necessarily. It was still years worth of betrayal on his children's part when they should've been loyal to their house above all else. Tywin prides loyalty above anything else and his children still chose to undermine his authority. Every instance of them denying his suggestions and commands you visibly see how much worse it made things.
@@zaxbitterzen2178Authority? Where is this contract that newborns must sign upon leaving the womb? Children make no agreements as to when, where, or to whom they are born. They owe their parents nothing for simply bringing about their existance. Besides, where is this crystal ball of yours that tells you Tywin's plans would have worked out any better in the end?
What a nonsense. Without Tyrion killing Tywin, Tywin would have won Game of Thrones. There wouldn’t be a rebellion of the high sparrow. Tywin would have stayed the number 1 in kingslanding and made better preparations for the war against Dany.
Denial is an extremely powerful thing. I’m sure Tywin spent an enormous amount of mental energy actively ignoring and dismissing what everyone else around him knew to be true. His obsession with needing his family to be perfect and infallible made it so he couldn’t admit the truth to himself, even though it was so obvious.
Not really, he wanted it for the reason of fullfilling his true goal. He wanted to leave a powerfull and memorable legacy and be remembered for ages to come. His legacy was his most important thing, so if by having power means great legacy, then yes he wanted that, but only because it helped him achieve what he really wanted.
@@andreasul2608exactly this. He despised his father for making a mockery of his house. Tywins entire goal was to restore house lannister to its former glory and leave it in a good position to continue, so cersei's words definitely cut him deep here.
@@martinsmith8019 You are confusing book with show. In the show, Tywin's father did not impoverish the House and so Tywin did not have that as motivation to achieve. This is just a second rate attempt at compelling storytelling. As a character, this Tywin, would not care. Just like in the new (better written) series where Corlys was cool with the "strong" boys.
@Kaylee - Renee yes, he knew alright. But here's my take on it. It was as if , as long as neither one of the two told him , it was like it was ( almost, not quite ) alright.. and also , he wasnt gonna believe it, until one of them did just that. You had to know, it would be her, and why not ?? He also didn't want to hear it for obvious and several reasons.. it was like, it couldn't and wouldn't be true otherwise. And as long as his ears didn't actually hear the words themselves, he could live in his own little " private hell " , and nobody's the wiser, if you will..personally, I think it had little to do with legacy ( I mean, as far as he was concerned ) and more about, idk.. to me, maybe he wanted to somehow, try anyway, to make amends ??? I'm not really sure about that one myself tbh, but things were changing for sure... all of this, is IMHO mind you... thank you kindly. !!! 😊😊😊
It wasn't fear. It was his plans ruined. The least he hoped for was her taking that to her grave. Now she is not only willing to tell him this to his face, but possibly crazy enough to be open about it.
@@scLefQthat’s what I took from it as well. With her just openly admitting it he knows how that can completely destroy everything. I suspect that at that moment was his realization that he would have to have her killed or that she would have him killed
A man who sees 7 Kingdoms can't see his own children. A brilliant irony. Also it's incredible how well Charles Dance and Lena Headey perform this scene.
I like to think that as much as it hurt Tywin being completely bested by Cersei, his facial expressions had just a hint of proudness, a softness for her ruthless cunning. She knew her leverage and gut him with it where he stood. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
What’s never talked about, is the lack of accountability from elders who were terrible parents, and then they wonder why their kids, and their grandkids, are a mess. Tywin is a prime example of that.
Something I noticed with how Cersei talks about Tyrion having “murdered” her mother is that she seems to have picked that idea up from Tywin. If she didn’t inherit her father’s hatred for Tyrion and let him figure out that it was Olenna then Tyrion never would’ve been pushed to kill Tywin himself. And if Tyrion hadn’t killed Daddy Lannister, there’s no way Ellaria would’ve killed Myrcella. AND if Tyrion had been allowed to figure out the Tyrells were behind Joffrey’s death, Cersei wouldn’t have been pushed to reform the Faith Militant to undermine them and Tommen would be alive too
Tywin has always taught his kids about family legacy. What more do you want him to do? It's not his fault his kids were fcukin. Jaime and Cersei are just immoral.
The dramatic music in this scene really helped drive the daĝger in Tywins heart. From the very first scene with jamie and cersei ,we have been waiting for this moment. And they executed the scene flawlessly. It brought me to my knees.
If u think about it, Cersei is the most like her father.. ruthless, vicious and commanding when they put their foot down.. Jaime probably like his mother and Tyrion the perfect mix of his mother n father thereby becoming more successful
they wouldnt b considered incest because just like real life nobles, most houses mated with their cousins. Not but so many kings and queens to go around
Tywin is to smart to have never figured it out on his own, he just ignored it because he didnt want to accept it. He had likely known for years but simply could never face that truth.
He did what he needed to do for the legacy even tho everyone else wasn't. If Tyrion wasn't a little man he would have been the favorite because he was willing to do what was necessary to play the game
He knew, and accepted it in his own way. Tywin is not stupid, but I think what he really didn't want is to be slapped with the truth in his face by hearing it from his own daughter.
I have said it before and I may say it again. The actor who plays Tywin is such a beast, basically no words and he conveys so very much with his expression... No shouting, jumping or other crap, such a pleasure to see such acting.
Well written scene where Tywin wants to say the last word but is too tied up in emotions regarding Jaime and Cersie he has always suppressed to utter a last word.
Tywin always knew. He just denied it. Anyone who spent a significant amount of time with the two and actually paid attention would know, and while Tywin was by no means a good father, he was still a perceptive man. Trust me, he has known for a VERY long time.
Tywin's denial is related to his pride in wanting Jamie, the son he raised himself, to be his heir. He hated Tyrion for being his only option after Jamie joined the Kings Guard and put all his efforts into reserving that circumstance. Meanwhile, he shut out Jamie and Cersei's obvious relationship.
technically his legacy isn't a lie his grandbabies were 100 percent Lannister.
@@monmothma3358 if you think about it, it’s very similar too Lann the clever the first Lannister who was rumored too have snuck into casterly rock and impregnate the daughters of the King of the Rock putting his own blood on the throne supplanting the family there
Technically they’re the most Lannister Lannisters that have ever Lannistered in all of history.
Haha I came here to say this
Now Tyiron is his legacy. Last Lannister standing.
Was literally just going to comment this
The only moment Cersei actually was able to emotionally hurt her father, Tywin.
The one moment anyone ever hurt him
@@enigma9971 well I'm sure the arrows were a close second.
I'm not sure that's hurt as much as utter disgust. I think there's a part of him maybe trying to convince himself she's lying either to hurt or shock him but say what you will about Tywin but he is very smart and very strategical so I'm pretty sure deep down he realizes Cersei isn't lying. So, if word got out and people realized this, that would illigitimize Joffery, Tommen and Marcella so....who who be the rightful heir to the thrown? I guess Gendry? Lol
@@katiejenkins4532 Stannis technically
@@katiejenkins4532 He's always believed it. It's called denial.
Cmon Tywin.....they were all blonde and looked NOTHING LIKE ROBERT.
Because they were Cersei's children. Have you seriously never seen cases of children looking like their mothers?
@@fortheloveofcats2462 have yoj ever seen Baratheon children with blond hair? The seed is strong.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 Because as Ned discovered by looking at the archives, All of the Baratheon men had dark hair. Did you watch the show?
@@fortheloveofcats2462 even Ned Stark living in a late medieval period without any genetic knowledge knew that brown hair/eyes/skin are dominant genes
@@maestroclassico5801 I did, and while that was luckily the truth (it still ended up badly for Ned) there was a very good probability that Cersei's children would look like her, whatever the father may have looked like. Ned Stark did a gamble which cost him his life.
Meh, he knew, he just didn't want to.
Exactly. Denial. But he was never gonna admit this was true
You know what else? He didn't like people ending their sentences with prepositions.
@@juliushill5153 good thing to would be part of an infinitive here.
@@juliushill5153 You know what else? Noone likes a smug know-it-all that is not even a real know-it-all because he/she doesn't know basic things because there was no mistake made in the OP's post.
You can see it in his eyes. He knew what was coming. One of the two people who could affirm the truth was about to say it out loud.
This is probably the only time we saw fear/nervousness in Tywins eyes. He knew what she was about to say but didn't want to believe it.
I love his fidgeting at the end of this clip. He usually has so much control over his posture (which Charles Dance is able to pull off brilliantly) that this is really telling how badly this conversation shook him.
@@bitzibaerlie correct.
In my opinion this is one of - if not THE - best acted scenes in the entire show. It's insane how much he conveys with just his eyes, he was literally less terrified when Tyrion killed him.
All the actors on the show are incredible, but Charles Dance as Tywin is something else, with his mere presence demanding respect at all times.
I can't think of another instance where he lost a power struggle and didn't (couldn't) even attempt to regain control, assert his dominance or at the very least appear unfazed.
A scared, speechless and defenseless Tywin was amazing to witness. It's like imagining The Hound becoming a motivational speaker or something haha.
God I miss the earlier seasons . I'll never forgive them for destroying GoT.
Yup! Tywin is obviously in denial.
Nah, it was in his eyes again the moment Tyrion caught him on the sh*tter at arrow point.
that wicked smile when she says his legacy is a lie.
Lena is a phenomenal actress.
She's probably a malevolent person in real life, the look comes easy to her.
Tywin was practically immortal and infallible. His ONLY weakness were his 3 children and his inability to look past his dynastic pride. Every single fuck up he ever makes while playing the game of thrones relates directly to his inability to see, understand, and handle his kids.
His weakness were whores... Just like his daddy.
Got him killed too.
He was a sinful man, and he paid the price
@@jaredkelly7218Well he was very likely poisoned so he was dying anyway :-D
Not necessarily. It was still years worth of betrayal on his children's part when they should've been loyal to their house above all else. Tywin prides loyalty above anything else and his children still chose to undermine his authority. Every instance of them denying his suggestions and commands you visibly see how much worse it made things.
@@zaxbitterzen2178Authority? Where is this contract that newborns must sign upon leaving the womb? Children make no agreements as to when, where, or to whom they are born. They owe their parents nothing for simply bringing about their existance.
Besides, where is this crystal ball of yours that tells you Tywin's plans would have worked out any better in the end?
The twisted glee in her voice when she delivers the line "your legacy is a lie" is perfect.
You see, I think this is the Moment where Tywin died for real. Tyrion just took care of the body.
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Wow!! Correct & well spoken!!
@@rheahorvath9274 oh thanks, for real! I’m not an english native speaker, hence your comment is more than pleasing to me 😍
@@halyketarrant I would have NEVER guessed!! Congrats! My respect!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
What a nonsense. Without Tyrion killing Tywin, Tywin would have won Game of Thrones. There wouldn’t be a rebellion of the high sparrow. Tywin would have stayed the number 1 in kingslanding and made better preparations for the war against Dany.
@@chessplayer1202 do you want for me to explain figurative talking to you?
“I don’t believe you”
“Yes you do”
Thinking it through, that’s prolly the hardest punch she could have landed here. Nothing more needs to be said…
I agree
And she said it soft and final. He knew exactly what she was capable of when she walked off. He did that double take lol
Lena Headey was amazing as Cersei. The spiteful pride she has when she says "your legacy is a lie"
Lena's delivery is so good. I love the way she says, "Your legacy is a lie." Every bloody time.
Denial is an extremely powerful thing. I’m sure Tywin spent an enormous amount of mental energy actively ignoring and dismissing what everyone else around him knew to be true. His obsession with needing his family to be perfect and infallible made it so he couldn’t admit the truth to himself, even though it was so obvious.
Of course he knew! All Tywin cared about was the power that he got from having his grandkids on the Iron Thro ne
You have no idea what he wanted but ok.
He definitely would've freaked if he'd ever believed it
Not really, he wanted it for the reason of fullfilling his true goal. He wanted to leave a powerfull and memorable legacy and be remembered for ages to come. His legacy was his most important thing, so if by having power means great legacy, then yes he wanted that, but only because it helped him achieve what he really wanted.
@@andreasul2608exactly this. He despised his father for making a mockery of his house. Tywins entire goal was to restore house lannister to its former glory and leave it in a good position to continue, so cersei's words definitely cut him deep here.
@@martinsmith8019 You are confusing book with show. In the show, Tywin's father did not impoverish the House and so Tywin did not have that as motivation to achieve. This is just a second rate attempt at compelling storytelling. As a character, this Tywin, would not care. Just like in the new (better written) series where Corlys was cool with the "strong" boys.
He knew he just couldn't admit it to himself.
We lie to ourselves all the time when deep down we know the truth.
Denial can be very hard to break.
@Kaylee - Renee yes, he knew alright. But here's my take on it. It was as if , as long as neither one of the two told him , it was like it was ( almost, not quite ) alright.. and also , he wasnt gonna believe it, until one of them did just that. You had to know, it would be her, and why not ?? He also didn't want to hear it for obvious and several reasons.. it was like, it couldn't and wouldn't be true otherwise. And as long as his ears didn't actually hear the words themselves, he could live in his own little " private hell " , and nobody's the wiser, if you will..personally, I think it had little to do with legacy ( I mean, as far as he was concerned ) and more about, idk.. to me, maybe he wanted to somehow, try anyway, to make amends ??? I'm not really sure about that one myself tbh, but things were changing for sure... all of this, is IMHO mind you... thank you kindly. !!! 😊😊😊
Tywin biggest flaw was denial. The denial of the relationship between Cersei and Jamie and the denial of Tyrion being his perfect heir
I may hate her guts but I'm glad she hurt him like that before he died on the crapper.
It definetly wasn't gold.
He was gonna die that night no matter what . He was poisoned
@@nicksmithnutmilkBy who?
@@propogandalf Oberyn . He made sure that both Gregor and Tywin die
The only time you see tywin in fear
The moment he understood how dangerous Cersei is. He'd certainly deal with her if Tyrion hadn't gotten to him first
It wasn't fear. It was his plans ruined. The least he hoped for was her taking that to her grave. Now she is not only willing to tell him this to his face, but possibly crazy enough to be open about it.
@@scLefQthat’s what I took from it as well. With her just openly admitting it he knows how that can completely destroy everything. I suspect that at that moment was his realization that he would have to have her killed or that she would have him killed
If the Lannisters all loved, supported, and understood each other, they'd have ruled all of Westeros and most of Essos.
What an actress! ❤
What an actor Charles Dance is also👍
That "yes you do " was a straight blade across the throat
Her smile she can’t even hide anymore and rushes to her father’s head instead… She enjoyed every single minute of this come back at her dad…
Emotional damage!
the ONLY time THE Tywin Lannister was actually lost for words. Brilliant.
Oh, deep down, he knew it was true. He was just denying it with every fiber of his existence.
Wtf is true? 😅
If you lie to yourself enough about anything for long enough, you start to believe it.
That Reins of Castamere crescendo was fucking perfect
A man who sees 7 Kingdoms can't see his own children. A brilliant irony.
Also it's incredible how well Charles Dance and Lena Headey perform this scene.
Cersei was a Beast and I hated that I loved her so much. Lena played the hell out her, I could watch that woman talk all day. 🌹
I like to think that as much as it hurt Tywin being completely bested by Cersei, his facial expressions had just a hint of proudness, a softness for her ruthless cunning. She knew her leverage and gut him with it where he stood.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Two of the best actors the series had. All of the Lannisters were electric on screen.
Such a great scene. The way she says yes you do and walks away gave me chills . Excellent acting 😎😎😎
her face when she hurts her father omg it’s priceless
so much joy
I love this scene the only time any of his children hold power over him.
Well there was the poopoo scene very shortly after. Tyrion held a bit of power over him there.
What a great role this actress played
What’s never talked about, is the lack of accountability from elders who were terrible parents, and then they wonder why their kids, and their grandkids, are a mess. Tywin is a prime example of that.
Something I noticed with how Cersei talks about Tyrion having “murdered” her mother is that she seems to have picked that idea up from Tywin. If she didn’t inherit her father’s hatred for Tyrion and let him figure out that it was Olenna then Tyrion never would’ve been pushed to kill Tywin himself. And if Tyrion hadn’t killed Daddy Lannister, there’s no way Ellaria would’ve killed Myrcella. AND if Tyrion had been allowed to figure out the Tyrells were behind Joffrey’s death, Cersei wouldn’t have been pushed to reform the Faith Militant to undermine them and Tommen would be alive too
True
Tywin has always taught his kids about family legacy. What more do you want him to do? It's not his fault his kids were fcukin. Jaime and Cersei are just immoral.
Tywin’s face was shaking before Cersei admitted it. Didn’t blink not once. He had to had said to himself in that moment: “… oh shit”
The only time Cersei could torment her father. She used the power of thruth, and make him realized he failed as father.
This was their last conversation before he died.
charles dance and cersei were the only people to make this scene the way it was supposed to be like
Couldnt think of the actresses name huh? Lena Heady. Google exists.
@@Dime_time333 LMAO
Yes that's because they were the only people actually in this scene
He knew just didn't want to admit it happened
She is an amazing actor!!!
he definelty new it, it’s tywin lannister ffs he just found it hard to accept the truth, just like any grandfather
i love that "Yes you do"
Or, she lied to him too much, that even telling him the truth for once was received as a lie.
She plays bitter indifferent to the T. Cold as ice.
I thought for sure he would slap her the first time I watched this scene
Me, too!
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I cannot imagine that he had ever touched her, affectionately or in anger.
Tywin as any father would.. found it difficult to believe.
He could not believe she would admit it to him but we are often blind to flaws of close family
The only time I ever saw Tywin on the defensive.
The beginning of the end for tywin.
He didnt see because he didn't wish to see
Cersei was a cold hearted mess❤❤
He was shooketh
The dramatic music in this scene really helped drive the daĝger in Tywins heart.
From the very first scene with jamie and cersei ,we have been waiting for this moment.
And they executed the scene flawlessly. It brought me to my knees.
He knew it. Just like Tyrion knew it. When family sins the rest of the family plays dumb.
If u think about it, Cersei is the most like her father.. ruthless, vicious and commanding when they put their foot down.. Jaime probably like his mother and Tyrion the perfect mix of his mother n father thereby becoming more successful
That's very very artistic way of saying "Dad I had a sexual relationship with my twin brother for the past 30 years resulting in 3 children"
She was so good in this.
That psychotic look when she says "Lie"
Lol hardcore denial
Tywin was by far the most relatable and in depth character in the series and the best
On that moment, the mighty Tywin Lannister felt the real pain.
He knew all along, he’d known for years even before the rumours started gathering momentum, he just denied it to himself.
This was the only time he showed fear in his eyes
i mean tywin’s wife was his cousin and didn’t he only marry her because she was as close to his sister as he could get 💀
Cousin marriages are surprisingly common in history though.
they wouldnt b considered incest because just like real life nobles, most houses mated with their cousins. Not but so many kings and queens to go around
Tywin is to smart to have never figured it out on his own, he just ignored it because he didnt want to accept it. He had likely known for years but simply could never face that truth.
The lies we tell ourselves to keep going.
she traumatised her father 😂
“🤨 yes you do”
I loved this man
He did what he needed to do for the legacy even tho everyone else wasn't. If Tyrion wasn't a little man he would have been the favorite because he was willing to do what was necessary to play the game
Tywin knows the truth. He just didn’t want to fully face it due to denial.
I also feel like Robert definitely knew about them the whole time. Maybe even before Jon Arryn found out
His acting is marveleous
You believe what you want to. this is a good example of that
And so she spoke...
Damn Lena is one gorgeous woman.
He knew, and accepted it in his own way. Tywin is not stupid, but I think what he really didn't want is to be slapped with the truth in his face by hearing it from his own daughter.
Right
Denial is the strongest emotion.
Tywin be like I wish I had a sister
He did have a sister tho
I have said it before and I may say it again. The actor who plays Tywin is such a beast, basically no words and he conveys so very much with his expression... No shouting, jumping or other crap, such a pleasure to see such acting.
Well written scene where Tywin wants to say the last word but is too tied up in emotions regarding Jaime and Cersie he has always suppressed to utter a last word.
Tywin always knew. He just denied it.
Anyone who spent a significant amount of time with the two and actually paid attention would know, and while Tywin was by no means a good father, he was still a perceptive man. Trust me, he has known for a VERY long time.
Two incredible actors having an incrdible scene.
I love game of thrones ❤ALL SEASONS 2🤣
Twiyn knew. He was just in denial. He's way to smart not to know.
That's the epitome of denial
He knew he just kept denying it in his head
Tywin knew it. But he didnt want to accept it
Tywin's denial is related to his pride in wanting Jamie, the son he raised himself, to be his heir. He hated Tyrion for being his only option after Jamie joined the Kings Guard and put all his efforts into reserving that circumstance. Meanwhile, he shut out Jamie and Cersei's obvious relationship.
Not a scene that was in the books, but definitely one of the better additions to the show that I enjoyed.
Powerful scene.
The one time in their entire relationship that she had the upper hand.
The two best characters in the series. Fight me
He definitely knew. It just didn’t affect anything atm so he ignored it
I mean one look at his grandkids should have given it away 😂
The one scene in the series you see Tywin getting owned by someone else
One of two.
Only scene where tywin wasn't superior
Ive never watched the show. Only clips on yt.
this scene and any cersei scene is why i want to write a book :'D
What a beautiful looking lady!!!!!!❤❤❤❤