Eric Stoltz was originally cast to play Marty McFly in Back to the Future. He was fired, but then he got to play Martin Brundle in The Fly 2. So in the end, he did get to play Marty McFly.
Fun fact: John Getz, who plays Stathis, was allowed to take home the animatronic prop of his partially dissolved hand/stump. He put it on the top shelf of his refrigerator, and for years, whenever he had guests over for the first time, would always ask them at some point during the visit if they could do him a favor and get something out of the fridge, then wait for their reaction.
he reminded me a bit of Walter Peck in Ghostbusters, some "villainy type" characters tend to have that size beard, im just thinking this on this watch with the video, im glad he wasnt really bad by the end, I dont think people are naturally "evil", so when you see the bad character show empathy, it makes it feel more real than "im bad and i dont care what i have to do to geth WHAT I want!/"
@DeRockMedia never struck me as the villain. Antagonist absolutely but he has genuine concerns and is genuinely concerned for the lady's wellbeing. His jealousy is obviously a point weighted against his actions but ultimately he was, ironically, the hero of the story. Bundle was a good person, but Brundlefly was not. After all Insect politics are different than Human politics
The computer not recognizing his voice was a moment I found really heartbreaking when I saw this as a kid. It starts to feel like he's not a human being trapped inside this grotesque fly body, but that he's losing the human part entirely.
It's a shocking moment for sure, because his character is so intelligent and always communicates verbally to display his genius as a scientist to Veronica and for him to lose that shows how far gone he is from the brilliant man he was at the beginning.
This movie used to just horrify me, but I felt more of a resonance to it after I watched my mom deteriorate from cancer over the course of two grueling months. This movie is, I feel, the closest to really getting how those two months felt. It was sincerely hellish, doing my best for my mother only to watch her get weaker and weaker. Feeling helpless as she lost her appetite, couldn't sleep, couldn't even walk on her own. When her hair began to fall out, it'd get knotted up so I'd have to help her comb her hair out, only to pull clumps and clumps and CLUMPS of her hair out of the brush. She and I would share a look, but ultimately we didn't discuss the clear reality of how much hair she was losing, and how fast. I'm in a much better place about it now, time heals all wounds, but my appreciation for this movie has been forever heightened. Jay's comparison to Brundlefly's decline to cancer is exactly how I feel about it.
You sound like a wonderful child that was there when your mother needed you. I hope you continue to heal; her memory lives on through you and your stories of her. I know the pain of watching a loved one lose to Alzheimer's and it too has a phase of unspoken but shared fear-looks, though it isnt exactly same same as what you experienced with cancer of course. Thank you for sharing your mother's story with us.
@@Cutest-Bunny998 Thank you for the thoughtful response! I am very sorry for your experience of watching a loved one deteriorate to Alzheimer's, even though it's not quite the same as cancer the two still have those shared experiences of helplessness and fear as time continues to march ahead. I hope you continue to heal as well, and that both of our loved ones are now in a place of peace and no more suffering
Funfact: RLM, did not appreciate the 'job-overwork-regrets', mental horror in "Event Horizon". "Event Horizon" is a masterful body horror type sequel to "The Fly"... "The Ship" consumes the Builder AND the Crewmembers who are filled with lifetime CAREER REGRETS...
My dad also died of cancer and I had a very similar experience. I never thought of this movie as similar to that but it makes sense. That being said this is one of my favorite horror movies but I haven't seen it in a long time. I've been too scared to watch it again because of how much it really fucks with me and how tragic it is.
I think the ending is great. Would a handful of "here's what happened afterwards" scenes really add anything that substantial to the plot? I don't think so.
We were like a Cronenberg cult at our middle school in England during the 80s. We copied tapes for eachother and circulated them, nicknamed each other after characters in The Brood, recited the scenes, talked endlessly about them. I think he probably influenced us more than anyone else in our entire lives. One of us ended up winning an academy award and the rest of us have struggled with crippling anxiety disorders. Make of this what you will.
@@jonothanthrace1530I'm sure it was. That's why this group of boys started their own bootleg video cartel where they had to make copies for each other. Part of the reason they sought these out was because they were made taboo by the adults around them.
Geena Davis is so great in this. One of my favorite acting choices she makes is when Seth asks her to film him with the vomit drop, and she has this glazed over, almost exhausted expression as she reluctantly moves to the camcorder. So easy to feel what she's feeling there.
This movie changed everything I thought I knew about horror movies when I first watched it. It's honestly a masterpeice, but jeeez you need to be in the right mood for it. By the end you feel so drained, shocked and depressed. In my opinion, that's how a horror movie should make you feel - actually horrified.
Some obscure recommends for that specific sensation: "End of Evangelion" OVA finale film "Wings of Honneamise" "Gunbuster" OVA "Jin Roh: Wolf Brigade" "Castle in The Sky" "Ghost In The Shell" 1st film
It's mentioned that Brundle comes to accept what's happening to him - that scene where he says "what's this? I don't know." Years ago I was in an accident. I had many wounds and one of them became necrotic. I actually found myself amused and making jokes about my situation. I nearly lost my leg and I was cracking jokes with my nurses. That moment, the line delivery, is so real and so relatable to how my situation played out.
For me, Jeff Goldblum's performance is easily one of the best in any horror film i've seen. The way his mannerisms evolve over the course of the film to resemble the fly and how heartbreaking he becomes by the time it's too late is what sticks with me. It's a terrific performance and his best imo.
I think people judge Goldblum too much for just playing himself in his films but I couldn't disagree more, just look at his incredible acting in The Fly he's playing a completely different character and he showed he can be versatile and can do drama well.
fo sho, Im pretty sure i saw The Fly before Jurassic Park back in those days (theaters for JP), i connected a lot with his performance, im glad my parents loved cinema and would allow me to watch things that kids probably couldnt handle sometimes (i could handle quite a bit even before my teens), actually it made movies more enjoyable when they would grab me like that, its hard to be really scared or really disturbed nowadays, but its a fun feeling to have when watching movies, Psychological Horror usually is what gets to me, as Jay mentioned in the video, not jump scare horror, but horror that really makes you think.
I remember reading that Goldblum spent time in front of a mirror, working his face and figuring out how the prosthetics move. His performance as Brundle contains so much pathos and emotion due to his efforts. This flick really showcased his acting talent, and it's what propelled him to stardom.
In "The Tall Guy" a couple years later he plays an actor who gets a big role under heavy grotesque facial makeup. I've never been sure if this was a reference to Goldblum's career or just a total coincidence.
john rhys-davies that played Gimli in Lord of the Rings did the same, he had to overexaggerate his expressions because if he didnt, your couldn't see the emotion he conveyed since he was under a ton of prosthetics for that too
"I am a Fly who dreamt he was a man, and loved it. But now the dream is over, and the insect is awake." Greatest line by an insect politician in a body horror movie, ever. *edited to correct the quote due to popular demand.
@@ekathe85 Yeah, he will be exactly like Jeff Goldblum in this movie. Bits of him will fall off and he'll be like, "What was that? Oh, well! Ha ha ha, I have so many things wrong with me!"
I think most people remember the effects much more than the emotional beats. But they're hugely important. _Mimic_ has big, creepy bugs created through DNA shenanigans, but nobody cares. That's not a particularly memorable movie. _The Fly_ has a man imprisoned as his body revolts, forced to watch as he loses every aspect of himself to something monstrous and alien that grows stronger by the day, in dread of taking others down with him.
yeah, what makes this movie extremely hard to watch are not the effects or "gross" scenes but how depressing the story is, especially to those who've come into close contact with illnesses that slowly destroy you/your loved ones
That line emotionally wrecks me! As many other people have said, for me what's impactful is not even the body horror but rather the metaphor of progressive illness. I think most people (including myself) have had a family member or friend with a horrible illness that destroys them physically but more importantly mentally. And so many people end up getting an illness like that themselves sooner or later...
The first time I saw this I was 11 years old. I rented it to watch by myself one night, the second he opens the pod and the baboon is a quivering mess of guts I stopped it, called my best friend and told him "I'm watching a movie that I now realize I can't watch by myself". He asked if it was scary. I said "I don't know, what I do know is that it's really fucked up". He came over in under 5 mins and I re-started it from the beginning. We were not disappointed.
Jay's memory is unreal. There are a few things from random movies, names, etc from decades ago where I think "oh yeah!" but it's all like yesterday for Jay. His brain must be preserved and studied for future generations of nerds.
David Cronenberg made this film after watching his father succumb to a prolonged battle with cancer. The big C and its effects are VERY much where this movie lives.
i have a far greater appreciation for this movie after being my father's main caretaker for the past 9 years he sufferred from vascular dementia and kidney disease he just passed at 96 i watched him slowly decline.....many of the symptoms that brundle experienced, he also did, toward the end....including not being able to digest foods he used to love at the very end, he was totally bed ridden and despite my best attempts, he developed bed sores i felt helpless.... i now know how deep this movie really is
Random coincidence I just came back from my frist trip ever to Toronto and this video pops up. I also have a soft spot for Colin I think his laugh is the most contagious of the bunch.
@@MrSoopSAhaha, I was going to say the same thing and then read your comment. I thought his new found strength and hair growth was puberty all right, then the slow decay into death.
I started this review, realized i hadnt seen the movie, stopped it, bought the movie, watched it, then came back for the second half of the review. This is a really good movie
Like Jay, this is one of my favourite movies too and I don't watch it very often either. I used to watch it all the time when I had the VHS tape as a gorehound teenager, but the older I get the harder it hits emotionally, psychologically, philosophically. Thank you for dragging this classic movie out of the medicine cabinet, and long live the old flesh!
"I'm saying I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now the dream is over, and the insect is awake." That is my all-time favorite movie quote. The Fly is a masterpiece and one of my all-time favorite movies.
I share that existential fear of the human body, but I never thought of The Fly as an allegory for cancer. You just recontextualized the entire movie for me, and somehow made it even MORE depressing! Thank you! I'll be rewatching again with that mindset before I finish this re:View!
"I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over the insect is awake." Such a weird and haunting line that's always stayed with me.
It’s spooky as hell because it makes you reconsider everything you’ve witnessed past the fusion scene. That Seth post-telepod may never have been Seth at all.
Kinda reminiscent of the Zhuangzi quote that ends with "Now I do not know whether it was then I dreamt I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly dreaming I am a man." One of those quotes that makes me grateful I wasn't high when I first read it.
Mandela effect? I swear I remember this video from years ago. What the hell man. I posted separately that even the intro dialogue sounded familiar about never reviewing a Canadian film maker
I love these movies that you watched as a kid and years later you rewatch it as an adult it gets a whole new meaning. I mean as a kid i thought it was an awesome "creature feature" (still is) but as a kid i couldn't understand the deeper meaning and it makes me appreciate it even more. Starship Troopers is also one of those rare movies.
Don’t know if anyone’s left this in the comments yet, sidenote, the song that was made for the movie, help me, is in the movie. You can hear it in the background when he enters the bar, when he’s about to arm wrestle that silly little wrestler guy, well Chaco Bloom is like 64 so I’m guessing the cutest puppy like 511 maybe 6 foot but yeah, you can hear the song of the background as he enters the bar.
A few years ago, my husband introduced me to this movie for the first time, and it made me cry so hard. It shattered my heart. I expected to be grossed out or creeped out, but instead, it completely broke me.😂😢
The ending makes me cry every single time. I know what's coming, but it gets me without fail. I think it's that last shred of humanity in Brundlefly as he positions the gun to his head. It's devasting. One of he greatest movies ever.
@@HansKlopek To be honest, I agree but I thought that was just me. He becomes an attempted murderer so I don't really feel sympathy, but apparently most people do. That's why the film doesn't really work, it is just a series of truly revolting images and centred on a romance that is shallow and underdeveloped. Don't care about either character really. They should have extended it more. I don't really buy Davis' character's infatuation at all. I also think Brundle is not only extreme but erratic. Every scene he is behaving differently, and there is no through line to the end.
@@miz4535while his actions caused his transformation, his mental state was not entirely his fault. He was being changed on a genetic level. His mind was rapidly deteriorating. It's like a person who gets brain damage.
23:20 There's a (much more interesting) unused draft for The Fly II where Geena Davis investigates the company that was paying Jeff Goldblum to make the telepods. It turns out his original human DNA sequence and a cyberpunk copy of his brainwaves were stored in the telepod system, and the movie was going to be Jeff Goldblum communicating as, like, The Matrix and telling Geena Davis how to eliminate his enemies from corrupting his work. The final scene would have been a freshly-printed Jeff Goldblum coming out of the new pod and reuniting with Davis in his only physical on-screen scene. Goldblum and Davis were supposedly really into this draft before everything got changed, and they only sorta-used the ending idea with the son coming out of the telepod with all his mutations fixed.
"So today we're going to talk about the one Canadian filmmaker David Cronenberg." James Cameron emerges from his latest deep hole exploration to object.
Maniac was not written for the film Maniac but rather inspired by it. Musician Michael Sembello wrote it for fun after watching the movie and mistakenly included it on a tape he sent out trying to the get a gig. The producers of Flashdance reached out to him wanting to use it and asked him to rewrite the lyrics to fit that movie. The original lyrics were all about a serial killer and included “He will kill you and nail your cat to the door”
the fly is what happens when you fuse a romantic comedy, a tragedy, a hard scifi, and a horror film. it has a bit of everything and it all works incredibly well.
I love listening to the Cronenberg commentaries. It's so fucking calming, doesn't matter what the movie is. His voice talking through Crash is like heaven.
This just reminds me of how much I've always wanted to see Cronenberg to directly adapt Kafka's The Metamorphosis. It is easy to see the story's influence on Cronenberg's work, especially in The Fly, and he even provided the introduction to a more recent print edition of the tale. I just have hoped against hope that we would get a real adaptation rather than just a film somewhat influenced by the story. I know it would be utterly amazing filtered through Cronenberg's way to see the world and make personal horror and alienation feel so real and impactful.
It would be incredibly difficult to adapt such a story without just turning into pathos. I'm sure he has probably thought about doing it, but it would be quite a challenge.
I think the problem with adapting the Metamorphosis is that it seems like so much of that story benefits from a kind of thematic ambiguity, right down to the way that Gregor’s “vermin” body is described in very vague ways that don’t seem to resemble any real insect (iirc there’s a reference to him having what seems like a basically human or mammalian nose). It really feels like a story that takes advantage of the formal properties of literature, ie something that is thought of abstractly rather than sensed directly. I have no doubts that Cronenberg could do something interesting with it but I think it would probably end up being against the spirit of the original (which wouldn’t be the end of the world I suppose).
@@rmd836 I see your point, but if anyone can capture the abstract, perhaps Cronenberg can, especially with modern effects. Since it isn't the 1980's it could be easy to , let's say, use several different practical make up effects to then blend and mix theme so the physical appearance is not just a single static prosthetic look, but shifts in an d out, back and forth with parts and pieces changing so that it is several forms shifting to never form a complete image, but one that is malleable and ever changing to highlight Samsa's shifting perceptions. I'm sure there are many ways to achieve the correct feel and I believe if anyone can portray it well, it would be Cronenberg although I would still love to see David Lynch's screenplay for the story as well.
@@jeremysmith4620although it would probably be prohibitively expensive, going for a similar effect to the scramble suits from A Scanner Darkly. It would most likely be some form of CGI, but utilizing creature fx make up to model the initial vermin going into the overall animation.
This is my favorite horror movie because it’s really not even a horror movie. It’s a Romantic drama with extreme elements of horror sprinkled in. Edit: what I mean to say is that you can take out all the scary stuff and still have a solid tragedy at its core.
What's weird is I also watched this multiple times when I was too young and yet I'm more shocked and disgusted by it now as an adult. I don't remember having any strong adverse reaction to it as a kid and just took it in like any other film. I don't think I could even sit through it now!
One of my favorite movies of all time. Especially one of my favorite horror films, because it so perfectly reminds us that horror isn't just "getting scared". Sometimes it's disgust. Sometimes sorrow. Sometimes love. Sometimes pain. It's just a perfect modern gothic horror film that every movie fan should watch at least once. And Gina Davis doesn't get the recognition she deserves for this role. Not really a "scream queen", but brings all that depth and power to her character. Just amazing.
I feel "he just wanted to get laid" could be the catalyst for so many movies. From the top of my mind: Fight Club, Star Wars, After Hours, King Kong, Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
I got destroyed by both versions of The Fly at two different points in my life. I saw the original when I was a kid and the "help me!" scene stuck with me, then I saw the remake when I was a teenager and the whole tone of it and the note it ends on stuck with me too. Another one of those rare situations where the remake and the original are good for their own reasons.
Thank you for mentioning how sad the film is. I can't bring myself to rewatch it very often (despite my adoration of it) because of just how incredibly, heartbreakingly depressing it is and how upset it makes me. It's just so crushingly sad.
...which also featured an early performance by none other than Jeff Goldblum. The 1956 Bodysnatchers is a strong film in its own right, mainly for its subtext and tense, sweaty performances. The original Fly isn't so great. The Thing From Another World rises above its 1950s effects to be a taut, gripping adaptation of the source material. For another great 80s remake of a 50s cult classic, I'd put forward The Blob (1988).
A couple years ago I came across a reference in Chinese alchemy about not allowing anyone or anything to witness your work, not even a fly and I thought about this movie.
Body horror is easily the scariest form of horror. Being forcibly transformed into something, being eaten alive, being trapped somewhere… nothing compares.
My introduction to this movie was hearing the line "I'm talking about penetration beyond the veil of the flesh!... Or taste not, the plasma spring!" in the song Plasma Springs by Front Line Assembly. That band also introduced me to Exorcist 3 and Lifeforce with the samples in their songs.
Skinny Puppy samples were my first exposure to the chaotic brilliance of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2... "You got that last slaughter on tape, you play it on the radio!"
Cronenberg is amazing. The Fly is one of the films that really indicated to me, when I was a young kid (for sure young enough that I "wasn't supposed to watch" it) that films could Do Things to you, mentally. That they could really get under your skin and make you feel things and think things that you'd never explored before. First the arm-wrestling scene where you get that visceral "I FELT THAT" very specific kind of horror. And then the 'birthing' scene... wow... that one stuck with me for a LONG time. Cronenberg is a treasure of the human species.
Jay's spot on with "People are going to see this video in their feed and say 'they haven't done that yet?'" The first thing I did when this popped up was looking at the upload date
Yeah, but imo people incorrectly call the 80s The Thing a remake of the 50s movie. The only thing it specifically takes from that movie for as far as I know is the title and screen design/ ‘logo’ of the title. For the rest it’s just a new adaptation of the original printed scifi short story from the 30s. In the 50s movie the alien is just a humanoid vegetable that doesn’t even shape shift, so the whole mystery and paranoia angle of who is the Thing etc. isn’t even in the 50s movie. That’s all from the original printed short story. The 80s The Blob movie is great 🍻
@@jnnx it’s a remake of the material, not a remake of the thing from another world. they took basically nothing of note from that film, which took nothing of note from the original story except the setting.
I distinctly remember being 6, my father talking to us with a video going in the background, my eyes wandering off to the screen from time to time. When he saw my scared, pale and astonished face he ran to the VCR and pressed stop. That was when Mr. Jeff Goldblum was puking some sort of white liquid onto someone's hand, that's how far I have seen The Fly.
"eXistenZ" is probably the most mind-bending (and strangest) virtual reality film. Too bizarre to be as popular as the Matrix, even though it should be goddamnit!
Finally some love for Toronto! FWIW back in 1986, I was dragged off Yonge Street and into a test screening for The Fly at the Uptown Theatre and got to see all those deleted scenes on the big screen!
That was very wise of him... depending on how old you were at the time and how mature you were, of course. But with those two films, erring on the side of caution is probably best.
Interesting how both The Fly and The Thing are nominally remakes yet essentially are great reimaginations and masterpieces for two directors with unique vision and craft.
The originals are all great too. IMO that era of film making is under rated, but I know it's a niche thing for various reasons. The Fly obviously was Vincent Price, but The original Body Snatchers movie is one of my favorite 50s Drive in horrors. Kevin McCarthy (he was in a lot of movies but maybe around here people will know of him as the greedy executive "bad guy" from UHF) kills it in that. I guess he's really over the top, but I just love that stuff. I remember really liking his performance in that movie, though.
One of my earliest film memories is watching Jeff Goldblum snapping that guy's arm in half. I think I was 6. My cousin wasn't allowed to babysit me anymore after that.
There's a great book called Cronenberg On Cronenberg where he describes the background and making of his films, well worth a read. I remember my dad telling me 'you have got to watch Scanners, it has the best exploding head scene ever'
I LOVE the music, it's like from the first frame the movie grabs you by the shoulders and levels you with tragedy, everything just builds up to the worst imaginable moment and then just stops after getting through THAT. Also, Frank Zappa was originally hired to make music for this movie! Some of his electronic sketches exist still, they're utterly insane and cartoony and I get why they weren't used but I wish it was a varient OST. Cronenberg rules, I think he's gotten better with age, more subtle but more naturalistic, every bit as emotionally shocking.
I think this is the best mellow horror movie I've ever seen. The ending is so heartbreaking for me. A monster, an abomination, with an ounce of humanity left, realized that he's a human no more, and he doesn't want to live anymore. Man, what a great movie.
I love how the roles of Seth and Stathis become gradually reversed, but in the saddest way; Brundle slowly loses his humanity, whereas Stathis rediscovers his. Now that the film student in me is coming back out, it feels like a love triangle between the ego (Goldblum), the Id (Getz), and the superego (Davis). :D A lot of people write off Stathis as this sleazy dickhead because of his initial portrayal, but anyone who's been in love will know that letting go is hard, and people often do and say stupid, insensitive things out of fear and anger, but when he realises the gravity of the situation and how its affecting the one he loves, he gets his shit together and tries to do the right thing. I like that. There's not enough of it now. On the subject of the allegories in the film of Brundle's change; Cancer, AIDS, dementia, drug addiction, schizophrenia... I've experienced seeing some of these things in friends and loved ones since I first saw this years ago. And it makes you appreciate the tragedy far more in future watches.
The best things about the Thing and The Fly as remakes were they didn't rehash the original movies. The took the general idea of the films and completely changed them and rewrote them.
To me, remakes are fine as long as you're doing something different from the original, or doing the original significantly better. Basically, why should I watch the remake over the original? It's not inherently wrong to take a great existing story, or premise, and build off of it. Humanity's been doing that for many millennia. I just expect, in this day and age where we can read/watch/etc. everything whenever we want, that a remake adds something other than better CGI, because that usually doesn't add much at all.
Man I love this film, as well as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing, and some others. Funny how horror remakes end up being majorly better than other genres’.
the list of bad horror remakes is probably one of the longest though. seems like a trade off, people can easily get one made, every now and then an inspired idea gets traction.
Cronenberg is the only director that everytime I watch another one of his films it shocks me. And not for the sake of shocking, but actually has a lot of thought and care put in it. The Fly, Videodrome, Crash, The Brood, Naked Lunch, Scanners, and I mean that’s just the beginning! Top 5 directors of all time in my book.
When I was 6 my dad showed me the 50s fly and it really made an impression me at that age. Later when I got into film I decided to watch the 80s fly and ho-ly hell, NOW THAT'S A MOVIE. I think the ending fly puppet is the best special effect ever achieved in film.
After 15 years of following RLM, I'm convinced everyone's joint effects have formed into it a potent antidepressant. Colin, of course, is the adjunctive boost to prolong efficacy.
I don't know if it was filmed but there was supposed to be a scene where an insect arm grows out the side of his body and I think he cuts it off and that's what he's referring to when he lifts up his t-shirt when he's crawling on the ceiling. Also I love the use of 'Cronenberg' in Rick & Morty to refer body horror.
If he’d gone in the telepod with the whiskey bottle he’d have come out as Mike.
FUCK I WAS GONNA SAY HE GOT IN THE POD WITH A BOTTLE OF MAKERS MARK
Ha
*cue Stoklasa pervy creep laugh*
Pod opens, brundlemike emerges...
"HAVE YOU SEEN STAR WARS?"
What about all the germs inside the pod? Are they part of him too?
Eric Stoltz was originally cast to play Marty McFly in Back to the Future. He was fired, but then he got to play Martin Brundle in The Fly 2. So in the end, he did get to play Marty McFly.
Now that's deep right there. Bravo!
It’s like poetry
def A for effort here.
Lol I have never put that together until now, bravo!
The prefix Mc in McFly means son.
Fun fact: John Getz, who plays Stathis, was allowed to take home the animatronic prop of his partially dissolved hand/stump. He put it on the top shelf of his refrigerator, and for years, whenever he had guests over for the first time, would always ask them at some point during the visit if they could do him a favor and get something out of the fridge, then wait for their reaction.
he reminded me a bit of Walter Peck in Ghostbusters, some "villainy type" characters tend to have that size beard, im just thinking this on this watch with the video, im glad he wasnt really bad by the end, I dont think people are naturally "evil", so when you see the bad character show empathy, it makes it feel more real than "im bad and i dont care what i have to do to geth WHAT I want!/"
I would do the same thing if I had it.🤣🤣
@DeRockMedia never struck me as the villain. Antagonist absolutely but he has genuine concerns and is genuinely concerned for the lady's wellbeing.
His jealousy is obviously a point weighted against his actions but ultimately he was, ironically, the hero of the story.
Bundle was a good person, but Brundlefly was not. After all Insect politics are different than Human politics
@@music79075 Right wing insects, ami right? lmao
@@DeRockMedia lol wtf.
The computer not recognizing his voice was a moment I found really heartbreaking when I saw this as a kid. It starts to feel like he's not a human being trapped inside this grotesque fly body, but that he's losing the human part entirely.
It's a shocking moment for sure, because his character is so intelligent and always communicates verbally to display his genius as a scientist to Veronica and for him to lose that shows how far gone he is from the brilliant man he was at the beginning.
Seth didn't exist any longer after the teleportation scene, it was the fly stuck in his body. Creepy.
This movie used to just horrify me, but I felt more of a resonance to it after I watched my mom deteriorate from cancer over the course of two grueling months. This movie is, I feel, the closest to really getting how those two months felt. It was sincerely hellish, doing my best for my mother only to watch her get weaker and weaker. Feeling helpless as she lost her appetite, couldn't sleep, couldn't even walk on her own. When her hair began to fall out, it'd get knotted up so I'd have to help her comb her hair out, only to pull clumps and clumps and CLUMPS of her hair out of the brush. She and I would share a look, but ultimately we didn't discuss the clear reality of how much hair she was losing, and how fast. I'm in a much better place about it now, time heals all wounds, but my appreciation for this movie has been forever heightened. Jay's comparison to Brundlefly's decline to cancer is exactly how I feel about it.
You sound like a wonderful child that was there when your mother needed you. I hope you continue to heal; her memory lives on through you and your stories of her. I know the pain of watching a loved one lose to Alzheimer's and it too has a phase of unspoken but shared fear-looks, though it isnt exactly same same as what you experienced with cancer of course. Thank you for sharing your mother's story with us.
@@Cutest-Bunny998 Thank you for the thoughtful response! I am very sorry for your experience of watching a loved one deteriorate to Alzheimer's, even though it's not quite the same as cancer the two still have those shared experiences of helplessness and fear as time continues to march ahead. I hope you continue to heal as well, and that both of our loved ones are now in a place of peace and no more suffering
Funfact: RLM, did not appreciate the 'job-overwork-regrets', mental horror in "Event Horizon".
"Event Horizon" is a masterful body horror type sequel to "The Fly"...
"The Ship" consumes the Builder AND the Crewmembers who are filled with lifetime CAREER REGRETS...
@@ynraider what a weird thing to type here.
My dad also died of cancer and I had a very similar experience. I never thought of this movie as similar to that but it makes sense. That being said this is one of my favorite horror movies but I haven't seen it in a long time. I've been too scared to watch it again because of how much it really fucks with me and how tragic it is.
This movie's ending takes the late Roger Corman to heart ; "When the monster's dead, your movie's over"
I think the ending is great. Would a handful of "here's what happened afterwards" scenes really add anything that substantial to the plot? I don't think so.
Left queasy and shook up, great movie
Multiple kung fu movies end before the bad guys dead body has even hit the ground, best way to close a movie
@@mmsL125 Freeze frame ending of the heroes walking away smiling while the baddie is clutching his chest dying, the best.
He's dead? I swear I read he was still kicking, this is some Mandela effect shit
"I prefer the earlier body horror stuff, just because that's the kind of stuff that resonates with me." - Jay Bauman
Jay "Pint-sized coffin creeper" Bauman
That explains why Jay keeps hanging around with Mike and Rich.
Easily the freakiest and creepiest of the bunch.
Jay is my hero. Even I struggle to look that bored of life.
Movie made me gag.
We were like a Cronenberg cult at our middle school in England during the 80s. We copied tapes for eachother and circulated them, nicknamed each other after characters in The Brood, recited the scenes, talked endlessly about them. I think he probably influenced us more than anyone else in our entire lives. One of us ended up winning an academy award and the rest of us have struggled with crippling anxiety disorders. Make of this what you will.
casually dropping the academy award winner in your social circle
I'm almost surprised The Fly wasn't on the Video Nasties list!
@@jonothanthrace1530I'm sure it was. That's why this group of boys started their own bootleg video cartel where they had to make copies for each other. Part of the reason they sought these out was because they were made taboo by the adults around them.
Im a Oscar winner too!
Yeah my father's a black belt in karate
Geena Davis is so great in this. One of my favorite acting choices she makes is when Seth asks her to film him with the vomit drop, and she has this glazed over, almost exhausted expression as she reluctantly moves to the camcorder. So easy to feel what she's feeling there.
This movie changed everything I thought I knew about horror movies when I first watched it. It's honestly a masterpeice, but jeeez you need to be in the right mood for it. By the end you feel so drained, shocked and depressed. In my opinion, that's how a horror movie should make you feel - actually horrified.
Agreed.
Same.
And if that movie leaves you never wanting to watch it again... that's not necessarily a point against the movie.
Some obscure recommends for that specific sensation:
"End of Evangelion" OVA finale film
"Wings of Honneamise"
"Gunbuster" OVA
"Jin Roh: Wolf Brigade"
"Castle in The Sky"
"Ghost In The Shell" 1st film
It's mentioned that Brundle comes to accept what's happening to him - that scene where he says "what's this? I don't know." Years ago I was in an accident. I had many wounds and one of them became necrotic. I actually found myself amused and making jokes about my situation. I nearly lost my leg and I was cracking jokes with my nurses. That moment, the line delivery, is so real and so relatable to how my situation played out.
Hope you're doing ok now!
@@nunzioification for sure! Thankfully they just gave me four debridements instead of maggots
Comedy is a very common way of coping with terrible things
When it's a choice between laugh or cry, might as well laugh.
That's why normal people get offended at dark jokes while *we^ know it's a coping mechanism
For me, Jeff Goldblum's performance is easily one of the best in any horror film i've seen. The way his mannerisms evolve over the course of the film to resemble the fly and how heartbreaking he becomes by the time it's too late is what sticks with me. It's a terrific performance and his best imo.
He absolutely should have won an academy award for his performance. Easily his best movie
Seriously! So well done. Jeff Goldblum's acting, and the whole damn thing overall.
Totally. His acting here is perfect
I think people judge Goldblum too much for just playing himself in his films but I couldn't disagree more, just look at his incredible acting in The Fly he's playing a completely different character and he showed he can be versatile and can do drama well.
fo sho, Im pretty sure i saw The Fly before Jurassic Park back in those days (theaters for JP), i connected a lot with his performance, im glad my parents loved cinema and would allow me to watch things that kids probably couldnt handle sometimes (i could handle quite a bit even before my teens), actually it made movies more enjoyable when they would grab me like that, its hard to be really scared or really disturbed nowadays, but its a fun feeling to have when watching movies, Psychological Horror usually is what gets to me, as Jay mentioned in the video, not jump scare horror, but horror that really makes you think.
As a young kid I set the VCR to record the Fly because I wasn't allowed to stay up late. Then the next day after school I scarred myself for life!
Does anyone else want to eat mademoiselle craballeta with some butter??
Wholesome childhood memory ❤
For a while it aired on HBO like 10 times a week that's how I watched it to the point I remember a lot of it
I know the feeling.
I was a VCR master as a kid. Check the listing for the 4 British terrestial channels every week and plan it all out. Magic
That superimposing of the cast credits over Jay talking is perhaps one of the best and most clever visuals RLM has ever done
Love that RLM rarely half asses a video
@@Chvse4U - And when they do, you know the other half is in the bag.
RLM? Looks like ILM work to me.
I dunno, they made Neil Breen walk across the BOTW table, pretty horrific
"Have you ever heard of insect politics? Neither have I. Insects... don't have politics. They're very... brutal."
I remember reading that Goldblum spent time in front of a mirror, working his face and figuring out how the prosthetics move. His performance as Brundle contains so much pathos and emotion due to his efforts. This flick really showcased his acting talent, and it's what propelled him to stardom.
In "The Tall Guy" a couple years later he plays an actor who gets a big role under heavy grotesque facial makeup. I've never been sure if this was a reference to Goldblum's career or just a total coincidence.
john rhys-davies that played Gimli in Lord of the Rings did the same, he had to overexaggerate his expressions because if he didnt, your couldn't see the emotion he conveyed since he was under a ton of prosthetics for that too
Last time I was this early, I was here before the inevitable delete and reupload from RUclips copyright problems
Didn't know you were a RLM fan
yep
Real
Last time I was this early, I became a dad for the second time.
Hi chop
"I am a Fly who dreamt he was a man, and loved it. But now the dream is over, and the insect is awake." Greatest line by an insect politician in a body horror movie, ever.
*edited to correct the quote due to popular demand.
Insect politician feels redundant.
“Awake” but yes it’s a perfect line delivered perfectly.
“Awake” but yes it’s a perfect line delivered perfectly.
It's what I sent to my ex-wife when we divorced. Don't judge me. Or I'll vomit on your hand.
@@NSGrendel a persuasive argument. Good man.
Pretty nuts that Mel Brooks produced both The Fly and Elephant Man, Ol'Brooks had an eye for talent.
I like to imagine Jeff Goldblum's performance in this movie is exactly what Mike will be like as he slowly, agonizingly morphs into an elderly.
"What's wrong with my FAAAAAAAACE?!"
Don't be weird man
@@cariander Something tells me Mike would like OP's comment somehow
@@ekathe85 Yeah, he will be exactly like Jeff Goldblum in this movie. Bits of him will fall off and he'll be like, "What was that? Oh, well! Ha ha ha, I have so many things wrong with me!"
Colin from Canada being back in town means an absolutely epic BOTW is coming up.
That was my immediate reaction too.
what about Jim?
@@mikeycrackson Rich Evans' AIDS medication is quite expensive.
@@mikeycrackson man inflation is really hitting that exchange rate
@@D0NU75I miss Jim
"I'm saying...I'll hurt you if you stay."
Chills.
One of the greatest/saddest films of all time!!
I think most people remember the effects much more than the emotional beats. But they're hugely important. _Mimic_ has big, creepy bugs created through DNA shenanigans, but nobody cares. That's not a particularly memorable movie. _The Fly_ has a man imprisoned as his body revolts, forced to watch as he loses every aspect of himself to something monstrous and alien that grows stronger by the day, in dread of taking others down with him.
yeah, what makes this movie extremely hard to watch are not the effects or "gross" scenes but how depressing the story is, especially to those who've come into close contact with illnesses that slowly destroy you/your loved ones
That line emotionally wrecks me! As many other people have said, for me what's impactful is not even the body horror but rather the metaphor of progressive illness. I think most people (including myself) have had a family member or friend with a horrible illness that destroys them physically but more importantly mentally. And so many people end up getting an illness like that themselves sooner or later...
The first time I saw this I was 11 years old. I rented it to watch by myself one night, the second he opens the pod and the baboon is a quivering mess of guts I stopped it, called my best friend and told him "I'm watching a movie that I now realize I can't watch by myself". He asked if it was scary. I said "I don't know, what I do know is that it's really fucked up". He came over in under 5 mins and I re-started it from the beginning. We were not disappointed.
That's one of the most wholesome things I've heard.😊😊
Yeah I fuckin love this story haha 👌🏼
had your first "i need backup" moment
Your best friend sounds like a great person.
That’s what I call a good friend.😂
Jay's memory is unreal. There are a few things from random movies, names, etc from decades ago where I think "oh yeah!" but it's all like yesterday for Jay. His brain must be preserved and studied for future generations of nerds.
haha I was just thinking, as Jay was spitting ancient facts left and right, ''Man I should never have smoked weed''
David Cronenberg made this film after watching his father succumb to a prolonged battle with cancer.
The big C and its effects are VERY much where this movie lives.
i have a far greater appreciation for this movie after being my father's main caretaker for the past 9 years
he sufferred from vascular dementia and kidney disease
he just passed at 96
i watched him slowly decline.....many of the symptoms that brundle experienced, he also did, toward the end....including not being able to digest foods he used to love
at the very end, he was totally bed ridden and despite my best attempts, he developed bed sores
i felt helpless....
i now know how deep this movie really is
I adore all the regular RLM cast but I have such a soft spot for Colin and genuinely adore listening to him. Seems like a really cool guy!
Random coincidence I just came back from my frist trip ever to Toronto and this video pops up. I also have a soft spot for Colin I think his laugh is the most contagious of the bunch.
@@dayglo98 His laugh in the BOTW episode with that legendary video about the old people exercising lives in my head rent free
@@CaffeinatedKing oh my god. Yes! That is absolutely hilarious! I forgot about that, thank you!
You should check out his podcast, "There's no such thing as a bad movie", it's great!
@@sonnyjimbod that’s awesome I never knew about this I’ll check it out.
It’s a good metaphor for addiction as well, the way that brendle is so enthusiastic about his new vigour while ignoring the effect on his body
Okay just got to the bit where Jay just made that connection lol. Great video guys
@@DinolactateIf you saw it in the 80’s/90’s, that connection was really obvious.
If anything too the state of decay could also be a universal metaphor for aging as opposed to an illness like cancer or AIDS.
@@MrSoopSAhaha, I was going to say the same thing and then read your comment. I thought his new found strength and hair growth was puberty all right, then the slow decay into death.
If it weren't for RLM, none of us would have heard any of these crazy ideas like The Fly, The Thing, and Canada.
Or Milwaukee
A triplet of perfect horrors.
Canada?? Wow...must have been cold!
I started this review, realized i hadnt seen the movie, stopped it, bought the movie, watched it, then came back for the second half of the review.
This is a really good movie
It’s a terrific hawrror picture, that’s for sure.
Same, I didn’t expect myself to be this emotionally effected. I was so devastated I can’t stop thinking about it. This, is a good ass movie
Like Jay, this is one of my favourite movies too and I don't watch it very often either. I used to watch it all the time when I had the VHS tape as a gorehound teenager, but the older I get the harder it hits emotionally, psychologically, philosophically. Thank you for dragging this classic movie out of the medicine cabinet, and long live the old flesh!
"I'm saying I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now the dream is over, and the insect is awake."
That is my all-time favorite movie quote. The Fly is a masterpiece and one of my all-time favorite movies.
I can't believe Jeff Goldblum and Gina Davis got to work on a movie with Shakma himself
SHAKMAAA
Stupid trivia:
The writer of the original "The Fly" later went on to write "Shogun", the novel last year's big mini-series was based upon.
The new shogun came out this year.
Thank God for @@mexifry222I thought I was losing it
@@mexifry222What about the new handgun?
that was still this year lol. I know it feels like it's been a long time, since a lot has happened since then, but still 2024
@@ULTIMAFAXI refuse to believe that
I share that existential fear of the human body, but I never thought of The Fly as an allegory for cancer. You just recontextualized the entire movie for me, and somehow made it even MORE depressing! Thank you! I'll be rewatching again with that mindset before I finish this re:View!
"emotional horror" is always my favorite. The best horror should leave you with a feeling of sadness about the characters and their ultimate fate.
"I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over the insect is awake."
Such a weird and haunting line that's always stayed with me.
It’s spooky as hell because it makes you reconsider everything you’ve witnessed past the fusion scene. That Seth post-telepod may never have been Seth at all.
Kinda reminiscent of the Zhuangzi quote that ends with "Now I do not know whether it was then I dreamt I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly dreaming I am a man." One of those quotes that makes me grateful I wasn't high when I first read it.
0:44 It really funny because i had thought "Oh this is an old video" until i saw that was posted a minute ago.
Exact same thing, I scrolled right past it and was like ".....wait....."
omg we all have the same brain because I thought that too.
I scrolled right past it too and then realized it didn’t have the red line across the bottom indicating I had watched it before
I was so ready for a rewatch of this video until I noticed 5 minutes in this is actually new.
Mandela effect? I swear I remember this video from years ago. What the hell man. I posted separately that even the intro dialogue sounded familiar about never reviewing a Canadian film maker
It's always cool to hear the tidbits from Colin's work experience 👏
I love these movies that you watched as a kid and years later you rewatch it as an adult it gets a whole new meaning. I mean as a kid i thought it was an awesome "creature feature" (still is) but as a kid i couldn't understand the deeper meaning and it makes me appreciate it even more. Starship Troopers is also one of those rare movies.
Don’t know if anyone’s left this in the comments yet, sidenote, the song that was made for the movie, help me, is in the movie. You can hear it in the background when he enters the bar, when he’s about to arm wrestle that silly little wrestler guy, well Chaco Bloom is like 64 so I’m guessing the cutest puppy like 511 maybe 6 foot but yeah, you can hear the song of the background as he enters the bar.
The interesting thing about The Fly is there isn't a practical villain, the mutation is the villain.
Watching this movie as a child was something that stuck with me, the body horror aspect was something else.
I watched The Fly 2 as a kid. That one disturbed me so hard
@@cyrollanYeah, the end of the second one fucked up my six year old mind.
@@spectreagent00 6? The fuck
@@KaiHanson-cd5xt 80s kids were built differently
Yeah, my sisters rented it and I watched it when I was at the ripe age of around 10 years old. The face falling off scene was burned into my memory.
A few years ago, my husband introduced me to this movie for the first time, and it made me cry so hard. It shattered my heart. I expected to be grossed out or creeped out, but instead, it completely broke me.😂😢
Yup. me too.
I know what you mean.
The ending makes me cry every single time. I know what's coming, but it gets me without fail. I think it's that last shred of humanity in Brundlefly as he positions the gun to his head. It's devasting. One of he greatest movies ever.
The big eyes really do trick you into feeling bad for it.
@@HansKlopek Are you not meant to feel bad for him?
@@miz4535 his behavior becomes fairly extreme towards the end.
@@HansKlopek To be honest, I agree but I thought that was just me. He becomes an attempted murderer so I don't really feel sympathy, but apparently most people do. That's why the film doesn't really work, it is just a series of truly revolting images and centred on a romance that is shallow and underdeveloped. Don't care about either character really. They should have extended it more. I don't really buy Davis' character's infatuation at all.
I also think Brundle is not only extreme but erratic. Every scene he is behaving differently, and there is no through line to the end.
@@miz4535while his actions caused his transformation, his mental state was not entirely his fault. He was being changed on a genetic level. His mind was rapidly deteriorating. It's like a person who gets brain damage.
"Haven't they done that?" - literally the first thing I thought seeing this pop up in my feed
23:20 There's a (much more interesting) unused draft for The Fly II where Geena Davis investigates the company that was paying Jeff Goldblum to make the telepods. It turns out his original human DNA sequence and a cyberpunk copy of his brainwaves were stored in the telepod system, and the movie was going to be Jeff Goldblum communicating as, like, The Matrix and telling Geena Davis how to eliminate his enemies from corrupting his work. The final scene would have been a freshly-printed Jeff Goldblum coming out of the new pod and reuniting with Davis in his only physical on-screen scene. Goldblum and Davis were supposedly really into this draft before everything got changed, and they only sorta-used the ending idea with the son coming out of the telepod with all his mutations fixed.
"So today we're going to talk about the one Canadian filmmaker David Cronenberg." James Cameron emerges from his latest deep hole exploration to object.
They've also discussed Denis Villeneuve's Dune.
James Cameron's returned from raising the bar again!
But Cameron is a Hollywood filmmaker who rarely shoots in Canada whereas Cronenberg has made it his milieu
@@Tom-qp6oh His name is Jamesss Cameron 😂, damn it its now stuck in my head again
Maniac was not written for the film Maniac but rather inspired by it. Musician Michael Sembello wrote it for fun after watching the movie and mistakenly included it on a tape he sent out trying to the get a gig. The producers of Flashdance reached out to him wanting to use it and asked him to rewrite the lyrics to fit that movie. The original lyrics were all about a serial killer and included “He will kill you and nail your cat to the door”
I really REALLY want someone to cover Maniac with the original lyrics. if no one else will, by god I'll do it and get a grand total of 432 views.
🎶Colin! Are you there? How come you never told me this!?🎶
Colin never really left because he lives in our hearts.
He can't hear you.
Ahem, it's "Why didn't you never tell me this?"
Deduct 5 GP for your incorrectitude.
Oooh Baby Oooh Baby Oohy Baby Oohy Baby Ooh-Oooh Baby
Damn those Swedes and their catchy Pop tunes!
I _never_ thought I would enjoy auto-tune but noiselund combining it with synthwave is VERY interesting.
the fly is what happens when you fuse a romantic comedy, a tragedy, a hard scifi, and a horror film. it has a bit of everything and it all works incredibly well.
I love listening to the Cronenberg commentaries. It's so fucking calming, doesn't matter what the movie is. His voice talking through Crash is like heaven.
This just reminds me of how much I've always wanted to see Cronenberg to directly adapt Kafka's The Metamorphosis. It is easy to see the story's influence on Cronenberg's work, especially in The Fly, and he even provided the introduction to a more recent print edition of the tale. I just have hoped against hope that we would get a real adaptation rather than just a film somewhat influenced by the story. I know it would be utterly amazing filtered through Cronenberg's way to see the world and make personal horror and alienation feel so real and impactful.
The Metamorphosis is even more depressing than the fly. But a good adaptation would be nice.
It would be incredibly difficult to adapt such a story without just turning into pathos. I'm sure he has probably thought about doing it, but it would be quite a challenge.
I think the problem with adapting the Metamorphosis is that it seems like so much of that story benefits from a kind of thematic ambiguity, right down to the way that Gregor’s “vermin” body is described in very vague ways that don’t seem to resemble any real insect (iirc there’s a reference to him having what seems like a basically human or mammalian nose). It really feels like a story that takes advantage of the formal properties of literature, ie something that is thought of abstractly rather than sensed directly. I have no doubts that Cronenberg could do something interesting with it but I think it would probably end up being against the spirit of the original (which wouldn’t be the end of the world I suppose).
@@rmd836 I see your point, but if anyone can capture the abstract, perhaps Cronenberg can, especially with modern effects. Since it isn't the 1980's it could be easy to , let's say, use several different practical make up effects to then blend and mix theme so the physical appearance is not just a single static prosthetic look, but shifts in an d out, back and forth with parts and pieces changing so that it is several forms shifting to never form a complete image, but one that is malleable and ever changing to highlight Samsa's shifting perceptions.
I'm sure there are many ways to achieve the correct feel and I believe if anyone can portray it well, it would be Cronenberg although I would still love to see David Lynch's screenplay for the story as well.
@@jeremysmith4620although it would probably be prohibitively expensive, going for a similar effect to the scramble suits from A Scanner Darkly. It would most likely be some form of CGI, but utilizing creature fx make up to model the initial vermin going into the overall animation.
This is my favorite horror movie because it’s really not even a horror movie. It’s a Romantic drama with extreme elements of horror sprinkled in.
Edit: what I mean to say is that you can take out all the scary stuff and still have a solid tragedy at its core.
I have always seen this as a tragedy. And of dangers of technology (something Cronenberg is great at)
One of the greatest love stories right up there with Tombstone and Possession
yeah just a light sprinkling of horror, barely disturbing at all
Not a horror movie? Did you watch an edited version on the Christian Broadcast Network?
A tragedy of Shakespearean proportions.
I watched this movie when I was WAY too young and was scarred for life. I remember for weeks after watching it I'd think of it and start throwing up.
Yeah this one will do that to you. It still makes me nauseous just seeing clips lol
Completely relatable.
What's weird is I also watched this multiple times when I was too young and yet I'm more shocked and disgusted by it now as an adult. I don't remember having any strong adverse reaction to it as a kid and just took it in like any other film. I don't think I could even sit through it now!
Felt, i watched Temple of Doom before I knew that people in movies didnt actually die for real.
One of my favorite movies of all time. Especially one of my favorite horror films, because it so perfectly reminds us that horror isn't just "getting scared". Sometimes it's disgust. Sometimes sorrow. Sometimes love. Sometimes pain. It's just a perfect modern gothic horror film that every movie fan should watch at least once. And Gina Davis doesn't get the recognition she deserves for this role. Not really a "scream queen", but brings all that depth and power to her character. Just amazing.
Another awesome re:View on one of my all-time favorite films. Hope to see a Day of the Dead '85 re:View real soon.
About the Bryan Ferry song- It's actually used in the background of the bar scene, and can be heard when Brundle first walks in.
I feel "he just wanted to get laid" could be the catalyst for so many movies. From the top of my mind: Fight Club, Star Wars, After Hours, King Kong, Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
I was really disappointed when the main character didn't get to have sex with King Kong.
The Last Temptation of Christ
The entire Avatar franchise hinges on this very fact
V’ger just wanted to get laid!
Fight Club is more, "he wanted to go to bed"
I got destroyed by both versions of The Fly at two different points in my life. I saw the original when I was a kid and the "help me!" scene stuck with me, then I saw the remake when I was a teenager and the whole tone of it and the note it ends on stuck with me too. Another one of those rare situations where the remake and the original are good for their own reasons.
Thank you for mentioning how sad the film is. I can't bring myself to rewatch it very often (despite my adoration of it) because of just how incredibly, heartbreakingly depressing it is and how upset it makes me. It's just so crushingly sad.
Don't forget 1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers as also a horror/sci-fi remake done right.
...which also featured an early performance by none other than Jeff Goldblum.
The 1956 Bodysnatchers is a strong film in its own right, mainly for its subtext and tense, sweaty performances. The original Fly isn't so great. The Thing From Another World rises above its 1950s effects to be a taut, gripping adaptation of the source material.
For another great 80s remake of a 50s cult classic, I'd put forward The Blob (1988).
"The Blob" remake is spectacular. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!
I remember my grandma showing me this movie when I was a kid and it scarred me for life.
You got a cool grandma!
A couple years ago I came across a reference in Chinese alchemy about not allowing anyone or anything to witness your work, not even a fly and I thought about this movie.
Do you think mentioning your work in a youtube comment counts?
@@ewantaylor2758you had your opportunity for a plug and you didn't do it
Body horror is easily the scariest form of horror. Being forcibly transformed into something, being eaten alive, being trapped somewhere… nothing compares.
So...the reality of whats happening to you already....then. thats ...what life is.
@@00TheD did you have a stroke typing this
@@Moakmeister I think it's him being Jeff Goldblum
I don't agree. This film is not so much scary as disgusting.
now it's people's fetish
My introduction to this movie was hearing the line "I'm talking about penetration beyond the veil of the flesh!... Or taste not, the plasma spring!" in the song Plasma Springs by Front Line Assembly. That band also introduced me to Exorcist 3 and Lifeforce with the samples in their songs.
How ironic. Exorcist 3 is excellent, Lifeforce is... not.
Skinny Puppy samples were my first exposure to the chaotic brilliance of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2... "You got that last slaughter on tape, you play it on the radio!"
Cronenberg is amazing. The Fly is one of the films that really indicated to me, when I was a young kid (for sure young enough that I "wasn't supposed to watch" it) that films could Do Things to you, mentally. That they could really get under your skin and make you feel things and think things that you'd never explored before. First the arm-wrestling scene where you get that visceral "I FELT THAT" very specific kind of horror. And then the 'birthing' scene... wow... that one stuck with me for a LONG time. Cronenberg is a treasure of the human species.
Jay's spot on with "People are going to see this video in their feed and say 'they haven't done that yet?'" The first thing I did when this popped up was looking at the upload date
Still a classic. It's up there with The Blob & The Thing. The sequel is underrated and it has a great ending.
Yeah, but imo people incorrectly call the 80s The Thing a remake of the 50s movie. The only thing it specifically takes from that movie for as far as I know is the title and screen design/ ‘logo’ of the title. For the rest it’s just a new adaptation of the original printed scifi short story from the 30s. In the 50s movie the alien is just a humanoid vegetable that doesn’t even shape shift, so the whole mystery and paranoia angle of who is the Thing etc. isn’t even in the 50s movie. That’s all from the original printed short story.
The 80s The Blob movie is great 🍻
The Concept
@@mabusestestamentIt’s still a remake.
@@jnnx it’s a remake of the material, not a remake of the thing from another world. they took basically nothing of note from that film, which took nothing of note from the original story except the setting.
@@jnnx
Yes, but it’s not a remake of the 50s movie 🙂
I distinctly remember being 6, my father talking to us with a video going in the background, my eyes wandering off to the screen from time to time. When he saw my scared, pale and astonished face he ran to the VCR and pressed stop. That was when Mr. Jeff Goldblum was puking some sort of white liquid onto someone's hand, that's how far I have seen The Fly.
You were SO CLOSE to the end!
"eXistenZ" is probably the most mind-bending (and strangest) virtual reality film. Too bizarre to be as popular as the Matrix, even though it should be goddamnit!
EXISTENZ IS PAUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [slams head down on table]
"This is reality... right?"
Agreed.
Finally some love for Toronto!
FWIW back in 1986, I was dragged off Yonge Street and into a test screening for The Fly at the Uptown Theatre and got to see all those deleted scenes on the big screen!
'The Brood' has such a fabulously horrific reveal at the end it makes 'The Sixth Sense' look like an episode of Scooby-Doo.
I've never clicked on a re:View so fast
The Fly was one of those movies I saw the treehouse of horrors parody before the actual thing where Bart goes “helllp me helllp me”
No one likes a tattle-tale lisa
"Sucker!" _(slapslapslapslap!)_
@@kyon813*shaking spider limbs angrily*
Isn't that from the original movie?
@@niceguy191 Yeah but like they brought Jeff Golbum also says it
oh shit! Childhood trauma unlocked with the clip of that dog. I forgot all about it, but now those haunting images came back. AAARG
Same. That scene fucked me up when I saw it as age 7 :(
Existenz is my absolute favorite Cronenberg movie. Glad they mentioned it.
This movie and Robocop were the two movies I remember wanting to watch that my dad absolutely refused to show me till I was older.
That was very wise of him... depending on how old you were at the time and how mature you were, of course. But with those two films, erring on the side of caution is probably best.
Finally, Mike read my Christmas Letter for a Fly review :) I hope Rich Evan’s enjoyed the carrots
He didn't stick them where you were expecting...
@@casbyness so he ate them?
@@fatherpucci-madeinheaven362 Sure. Let's say that's what happened.
Never forget that Mel Brooks produced this movie.
And the Elephant Man.
"i loved your movie young Frankenstein, scared the hell out of me"
Such a treasure of a man.
The song "Help Me" is in the movie; it's playing in the bar at the beginning of the arm wrestling scene
I was just going to say the same thing
@@segagagagagagagaSame!
Interesting how both The Fly and The Thing are nominally remakes yet essentially are great reimaginations and masterpieces for two directors with unique vision and craft.
The Fly, The Thing and Invasion of the Body Snatchers (78) are some of the best remakes in my opinion
The Blob is up there, too.
Two of Those have Goldblum!
The 78 Invasion of the Body Snatchers has one of my favorite you-see-it-coming-but-its-scary-anyway moments.
true grit
The originals are all great too. IMO that era of film making is under rated, but I know it's a niche thing for various reasons. The Fly obviously was Vincent Price, but The original Body Snatchers movie is one of my favorite 50s Drive in horrors. Kevin McCarthy (he was in a lot of movies but maybe around here people will know of him as the greedy executive "bad guy" from UHF) kills it in that.
I guess he's really over the top, but I just love that stuff. I remember really liking his performance in that movie, though.
One of my earliest film memories is watching Jeff Goldblum snapping that guy's arm in half. I think I was 6. My cousin wasn't allowed to babysit me anymore after that.
There's a great book called Cronenberg On Cronenberg where he describes the background and making of his films, well worth a read. I remember my dad telling me 'you have got to watch Scanners, it has the best exploding head scene ever'
I LOVE the music, it's like from the first frame the movie grabs you by the shoulders and levels you with tragedy, everything just builds up to the worst imaginable moment and then just stops after getting through THAT. Also, Frank Zappa was originally hired to make music for this movie! Some of his electronic sketches exist still, they're utterly insane and cartoony and I get why they weren't used but I wish it was a varient OST. Cronenberg rules, I think he's gotten better with age, more subtle but more naturalistic, every bit as emotionally shocking.
I think this is the best mellow horror movie I've ever seen. The ending is so heartbreaking for me. A monster, an abomination, with an ounce of humanity left, realized that he's a human no more, and he doesn't want to live anymore. Man, what a great movie.
I love how the roles of Seth and Stathis become gradually reversed, but in the saddest way; Brundle slowly loses his humanity, whereas Stathis rediscovers his.
Now that the film student in me is coming back out, it feels like a love triangle between the ego (Goldblum), the Id (Getz), and the superego (Davis). :D
A lot of people write off Stathis as this sleazy dickhead because of his initial portrayal, but anyone who's been in love will know that letting go is hard, and people often do and say stupid, insensitive things out of fear and anger, but when he realises the gravity of the situation and how its affecting the one he loves, he gets his shit together and tries to do the right thing. I like that. There's not enough of it now.
On the subject of the allegories in the film of Brundle's change; Cancer, AIDS, dementia, drug addiction, schizophrenia... I've experienced seeing some of these things in friends and loved ones since I first saw this years ago. And it makes you appreciate the tragedy far more in future watches.
The best things about the Thing and The Fly as remakes were they didn't rehash the original movies. The took the general idea of the films and completely changed them and rewrote them.
To me, remakes are fine as long as you're doing something different from the original, or doing the original significantly better. Basically, why should I watch the remake over the original?
It's not inherently wrong to take a great existing story, or premise, and build off of it. Humanity's been doing that for many millennia. I just expect, in this day and age where we can read/watch/etc. everything whenever we want, that a remake adds something other than better CGI, because that usually doesn't add much at all.
Same thing with the more recent remake of Hollow Man.
That's exactly why the Psycho remake is one of the most baffling movies ever made. Why would you do a shot-for-shot remake of anything?
@@stobe187 Because Gus Van Sant is a pretentious douchebag.
They did them better too with the updated practical effects and better performances from the actors.
It's about family and that's what makes it so special ?
One bug happy family
Man I love this film, as well as Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Thing, and some others. Funny how horror remakes end up being majorly better than other genres’.
the list of bad horror remakes is probably one of the longest though. seems like a trade off, people can easily get one made, every now and then an inspired idea gets traction.
"If he was a bit younger, he'd be James Spader...if he was a bit older, he'd be Joel Silver."
Nailed it 🤣
Cronenberg is the only director that everytime I watch another one of his films it shocks me. And not for the sake of shocking, but actually has a lot of thought and care put in it.
The Fly, Videodrome, Crash, The Brood, Naked Lunch, Scanners, and I mean that’s just the beginning! Top 5 directors of all time in my book.
"Existenz"
His specialty is Existential Dread. Like Alien, Robocop, Mad Max, and Terminator franchises... before they got ruined by Capitalism.
When I was 6 my dad showed me the 50s fly and it really made an impression me at that age. Later when I got into film I decided to watch the 80s fly and ho-ly hell, NOW THAT'S A MOVIE. I think the ending fly puppet is the best special effect ever achieved in film.
Nice for Jay and Collin to do a video on the fly like this.
This might be the most fly comment here.
I think this may fly over some people's head. I however love it
After 15 years of following RLM, I'm convinced everyone's joint effects have formed into it a potent antidepressant. Colin, of course, is the adjunctive boost to prolong efficacy.
Yes! Finally some Cronenberg! a video ranking his filmography like the John Carpenter one would awesome for October.
This channel has Flown its way into my heart
Oh wow it finally happened
Fly-nally
Oh wow
hey tyler, your dad's here
@@btafan11incredible
My thoughts exactly
Producer Mel Brooks is the one who came up with "Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid." according to Cronenberg. I'm supposed they didn't mention it.
yes, we all learnt this from watching the episode ..
0:09 The fact y'all forgot you did a re:View of "Strange Brew" brings a tear to my Canadian-loving eye
Isn't Denis Villenueve Canadian too?
I'm pretty sure he meant Colin and Jay specifically, since they've done quite a few Re:views together.
I don't know if it was filmed but there was supposed to be a scene where an insect arm grows out the side of his body and I think he cuts it off and that's what he's referring to when he lifts up his t-shirt when he's crawling on the ceiling. Also I love the use of 'Cronenberg' in Rick & Morty to refer body horror.