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After enlightenment, there still is desire || Nonduality and Enlightenment Simplified
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Eric Putkonen talks about desire and how desire remains after enlightenment. While craving/longing/thirsting/needing fall away, basic wanting or desire does not go away. And so there are still interests and hobbies too. The point is not to be desireless.
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Awesome! How I look at it is the ego is fear and desire hand in hand. I have a desire and the associated fear of not getting it. This is very triggering. But remove the fear and the ego isn’t involved, you simply desire something. If you can be unattached and open to whatever happens then you can enjoy it. You can literally just enjoy the feeling of desire without ever even getting the desired thing. It’s all very peaceful and loving to witness being
I also like the analogy of “preferences versus demands” in understanding “desires versus cravings.” Your video helps de-mystify the “enlightened” state & points to a less distressful way of living.
Thank you! I use to shame myself for still having desires. Crazy how the ego will weponize spiritual ideas and myths against itself
Thank you💗
Thanks Eric
Some years ago I had an experience which was crazy af. My whole body was shaking, i was full of bliss, my body was so light it dissolved. I felt like a drop of water merging with the ocean. It was the most beautiful thing i have ever experienced and i can't think of something being more beautiful. Since then my life was quite different. My world view was different. Some months ago i lost one of my testicles due to a medical accident. I did not even care about it, I was just like "why should I make myself sad because something happened which I can't change". In hospital I was just so greatful to be around people caring for me and making me feel safe. The beautiful experience I had, I did not want to call it enlightenment. But such videos resonate with me so much. Was that enlightenment?
Enlightenment is not an experience, but you will know if enlightenment happened by the cessation of suffering in life and that there is no "me" that is believed anymore.
Great video! Not all non-duality videos are so fun and enjoyable. Greetings from Finland.
Makes absolute sense. Lots is a wrong translation of single terms.
I’m not enlightened, but if I ever get there this fact puts me at ease.
At ease? Enjoy your enlightenment then. 😂❤️
"... Upon arriving, having never left." 🙃🫠
You are already enlightened. There is no such thing as getting "there". The bullshit that most non dualistic "teachers" express is misleading. There is no "enlightened state" to obtain.
Since I had my realization I’ve started honing my skills taking care of pot belly pigs. I’m not joking. My husband and I have 4 pot belly pigs and one lives in the house with us. She’s a better pet (for us) than a dog or cat. Anyway, I have learned how to trim pigs’ hooves and tusks so I’m starting a business being a pig farrier. I’m still pretty attached to my porcine friends, so I’m turning that desire into a livelihood. I’m also doing it in such a way to be as compassionate to the pigs as possible.
Good one, I guess in that sense desire is driving force to any activity, including Eric shooting this video and us replying. no attachment to outcome, no suffering.
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Muchísimas gracias por el ejemplo ❤🙏😊
Thank you much, Eric 🙏
Thanks for this!
Being a Spurs fan, from the UK, I wish I would have known this 50 yrs ago! Non attachment to the results would have saved 50 yrs of hurt 😂
"One must not have any desire or will... of one's own."
I don't know why, but your backyard gives me strong tampa florida vibes from my upbringing❤
I live in St. Pete
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This video really put me at ease I do competitive bodybuilding it’s a very intense sport that I have been heavily involved in the last 4 years that I love btw I was putting it on myself that this sport is vanity and shallow etc but it’s my desire to look great on stage etc and it’s all part of the sport to look a certain way so would you say ur message connects to all athletes aswell pursuing a goal in a certain field ? great video by the way man 👊🏻
The message will resonate with some and not others. While there is desire, there is also an ever willingness to lose what you have and ever willingness to not get/achieve what you want.
Good morning Eric, I was enlightened a few months ago, and i experienced it over 3 years in 4 distinct stages. I was wondering if you also had 4 stages. For me it was
0- innocence
1- feeling of the greatest thing ever, realizing that i can do whatever i want. (It was very intense and i started crying-though that might have been because it was during a difficult time)
2-realization that everything is good? Or that there arent any enemies. (This for me happened over time - but with some intense ecstatic things interspersed)
3- feeling just absolutely still and silent knowing that nothing at all could knock you down from where you are (for the most part)
4- enlightenment- super intense and a feeling bigger than your whole life of the purest thankfulness
So i was wondering if You had similar experiences to this. Also i was specifically wondering about the lower stages because I feel like people dont talk about them as much. Thank you so much!
I would say there are no stages. The "me" is believed or the illusion of "me" has shattered and can no longer be believed. When there is no "me", how can there be stages for a "me" to traverse? As long as such things are happening for/to a "me"...that is not enlightenment...but an experience of some kind. No experience is enlightenment.
It comes down to definitions. I define enlightenment as something very specific and point out that many spiritual experiences and glimpses are confused for enlightenment (as I define it). Enlightenment is the sudden, non-conceptual, and visceral insight or revelation that dispels ignorance and shatters illusions regarding who/what you are and the nature of reality. The insight instantly shatters the illusion of “me” and the illusion of separation or duality.
@@NondualityChannel thanks. At the time of experiencing it they did not feel like stages, but on reflection they do kind of look like stages. Also I read somewhere something called 5 stages of enlightenment (just plus the 0th one) and that rang with my experiences too. I am quite surprised that you did not feel any stages in your spiritual "journey". Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Also i am aware that the pure experience is continuous the whole time. The difference being the belief in the stories. But in order for enlightenment, the person must experience the maya first, and chose if they want maya or not. I was talking about these Qualities of the experience during the time. Im sure you felt something beautiful in your experience during the moment of enlightenment? Or no?
@@junkjunk4148 At the moment of enlightenment, there was realizing what has always been the case. I would not say I suddenly felt something beautiful in my experience during the moment of enlightenment. Just that current experience was understood differently.
@@NondualityChannel cool. That makes sense. I expected something similar to what happened to you. ❤️ that wasnt what was meant for Me though. Thank you very much. 🙏
You say duality doesn’t exist at all, but than you say you like good food. Good is duality.
Thank you for the video! Do you still dream after ? I think osho said that dreams disappear when sleeping. Can you talk in general about how sleep relates to all of this enlightenment business?
That may be a good video. Thank you!
Would just like to know how you would know a enlightened being would still have desire.
Nice explanation. What is your take on being annoyed or frustrated after enlightenment ?
Due to unseen conditioning, it may still arise, but it is pretty mild or muted compared to prior. Once the roots are seen, it too falls away.
00:36- what’s “enlightenment”.
what got lit up?
how would “enlightenment” be recognized?
so my desire to take care of a person I love is okay, as long as I don't think of outcomes..just enjoy taking care of him (?)
Take care of them...expecting nothing and not attached. Just enjoy taking care of them.
@Phoenix I appreciate your long comment, though I don't have the time to read it, I understand what you mean and yes, we're all one. it's just the mind asking questions and I'm happy with the answers I got
From an awakened point of view, does fear of the future lessen a lot or diminish at all?
Fear of the future falls away. I have had no fear of the future since 2005.
@@NondualityChannel wow. That's great. I wish I could get there one day (this is my ego talking).
@@NondualityChannel it's like everytime I try to be present, fear of the future just takes over.
"It doesn’t matter if you win or lose, but how you played the game”.
After enlightenment, does there still seem to be a pattern (or grid) to objective experience?
I am not sure what you mean by a pattern or grid to objective experience.
It seems like my neighborhood today is laid out the same as it was yesterday. There’s all these regularities, almost to the point of staleness
@@engi_01 That is being too distracted by memory and also having shallow observation. The moment is ever-new.
hi! Can you talk about how is sex after enlightenment?
Do you feel sexuality is transcended?
Yes and no. One can still have sex, but sexuality is not really such a focus in life like before enlightenment.
What was your way/path to "enlightenment". Was it an actual start here, finish here type process? Or was it of your own determined curriculum? How long did it take you to reach enlightenment? What was it that occured that made you feel or know you were "now" enlightened. Not trolling you, I'm actually curious for only good reason. ✌️
No start here or finish here...it is not a process. No path. No curriculum. I did not cause it. As such, the question of how long does not apply.
The illusions of "me" and separation shattered...suffering fell away and never returned.
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Desirelessness is wisdom. The two are not different; they are the same. Desirelessness is refraining from turning the mind towards any object. Wisdom means the appearance of no object. In other words, not seeking what is other than the Self is detachment or desirelessness; not leaving the Self is wisdom.
There is room for kama (desire) so long as there is an object apart from the subject (i.e., duality). There can be no desire if there is no object. The state of no-desire is moksha.
The non-dual experience will only be attained by those who have completely given up desires. For those with desires, it is far, far away. Hence it is proper for those with desires to direct their desires towards God, who is desireless, so that through desire for God the desires that arise through the delusion that objects exist and are different from oneself will become extinct.
Except for the one who has completely cut the tie of desires, the false appearance [that he is a suffering jiva] will not cease. Therefore, without any hesitation, one should cut even the desire for the great Divine Happiness.
O foolish mind who is suffering due to the desire for the petty pleasures of this world and of the next, if you remain quiet [i.e. without desire] you will certainly attain that State of Bliss which surely transcends the pleasures of these two.
So is this something to Desire?
when one is at peace with their source, there is no desire. it is the end of desire
your identifying yourself as enlightened, drop this concept too
i dont know if this is your brand or something, but these videos may be increasing your sense of identity, if you hold any image of yourself, such as an enlightened being, your are holding onto a form, and the Truth is that what you are goes beyond form. if this comment makes you feel the need to defend yourself, maybe look at that
U really need to redo your VIPASSANA again, Enlightenment in Buddhist term is not a english word game.
Sit - sit
Touch - touch
Chew - chew
Swallow - swallow
Finish - finish
Pure Awareness, non-duality, non-attachment.