FYI: I mentioned Womfat's (Matthew) Vudoo Three 60 in my opening remarks and tried to insert a RUclips 'card' with a link to his video and noticed it is very inconsistent. This is his video overview of his custom Vudoo Three 60 - ruclips.net/video/uR6dQeMgaZs/видео.html
I had a similar experience with DI Precision. I ended up going with David's recommendation: 25 inch MullerWorks 1.25 straight (1:13) with EC V2. Working with David was great and the rifle is an absolute hammer. I could not be more pleased with build - highly recommend DI Precision to others looking for a custom build.
I had DI build me a Vudoo 360 with 25” 1.250” 13 twist Mullerworks and EC Tuner V2. So far it has been nothing short of amazing. Spent a day there watching how they build the barreled actions the week of the PRS Rimfire Finale in December.
Nice build Jonathan, I have a RimX with a 26” MullerWorks 1.25”coming in a few days, Kenny at DPGunworks built it for me. I’ve never heard of MullerWorks until recently but they seem to shoot great, I’ll find out soon. Great video, subscribed
I got on a Facebook CZ p457 age and asked about the one and 13 twist and dude I got hammered. I know a bunch of people that are starting to lead that way and I was wanting to know if you would do a video and try to clear up some things on that once you’ve got some experience with it. Thanks I love your videos and attention to detail and how you give the exact model number and part number of the parts it makes it easy for people like me to buy things that you are talking about.
Hey Johnathan, looking at the ftf case. I paused and looked at the case rim. From expirence, if the case rim is bent over, headspace is exceeding .045". FTF issues I have seen in these Vudoo's are due to tennon length and headspace fitment. Need that rim solid on the barrel for the firing pin to do its job else its like punching paper
I recall seeing a video on your channel talking about that and that did come to mind when it occurred. I honestly haven't retried Eley in this rifle, but plan on doing so in the next few weeks when I have the opportunity as I had a few other tests to conduct still.
@Jonathan Ocab really enjoy your content. I dont comment much but watch every one. I have gauges to check what Headspace you have ranging from .041-.050 if you ever want to check, Hit me up. Hopefully I can head to WEGC one of these matches, would be a honor to shoot with you
What a BEAUTIFUL, SOLID, & EXCELLENT CHOICES in that Rifle !!!!......like the weight of it,.....can't understand why some guys will go with a heavy 22, - as is my choice, but then go with light-weight for their centerfire????.....makes no sense....lol....I like & appreciate the solid & heavy in both,....AGAIN - SUPERB - BEAUTIFUL Rifle !!! - Thanks SO MUCH fer sharing !!
I can confirm that. Ordered a V-22 w/ 22” Bartlein no-taper from VGW back at end of Jan. 1.2” dia. 16twist for now, waiting and watching to see how the 13twist works out.
Change out your firing pin spring from the standard 19lb to a 22lb spring. I had to do that to get it to shoot Eley Match consistantly and have no misfires.
i wonder if a shorter barrel and a bit more MV/FPS would do better for ELR and get closer to 1075-1090 range although i wonder how muzzle velocity SD/variance would be at shorter range.
I've had no issues with magazines in my Gen 1.2 or this new 360. But they've all sat in MPA chassis with adjustable magazine catches. EDIT: That is to say I have been able to setup my guns to have no issues beacuse of the adjustable magazine catch.
@@ocabj good deal I have a Bergara in an MPA and adjusting the mag catch does not help so I do not need another picky little girl around here but nice to know I have just seen so many guys at matches and on video where they get vudooooood, I heard they were updating magazines? nice rifle man I dig that truck axle!!
@@Picit13 Vudoo has adjustable magazines in the works. They showed off some at SHOT Show 2023. Not sure why they haven't released them, yet. Quite possible they are making changes to the version they showed at SHOT, or maybe they're still trying to ramp production.
I watch Womfat all the time. Very informative. Your gun is amazing and like I say about Womfat, you guys must have great jobs! I smiled when you commented about the bolt jump when you pull the trigger because I was watching that precisely through your vid. It does jump, not a lot but with every shot. I question just how much difference that makes in accuracy. I have seen no jump and some jump up to 1/4" at the handle but I see no variance in accuracy. What is your thought on that?
I have a Mullerworks 25in 15 twist on a Gen ii Vudoo action. Super accurate with Lapua and Eley, although will not shoot eley consistently with around 2 ftfs out of every 10. Even with the Ace barrel and chambering. Doesn't matter the lot number, just won't do it despite heavier firing pin spring and head spaced correctly. With Lapua ammo never had an issue and thats what I have gone with. Gun was chambered by Servos Custom Firearms in Alabama. Ive been blessed with a lot of wins with this combination. Nice rifle and good luck to you. P.S. Are you going to be at Nationals this year?
Likely not going to Nationals, especially given it's on the East Coast all the way in NC. I'm not a fan of air travel (no problem with flying, I just hate the process) so if I do attend a match, I'd prefer to road trip it with my rifle and ammo (and gear).
@@lastboyscout2950 I'm debating on getting a Kestrel vane. For this particular item, I simply wanted to try using the WeatherFlow which came with my KILO8K instead of it just sitting in the box unused.
@@ocabj The Kestrel vane "knob" piece threads onto a standard 1/4x20 (or whatever the camera standard is), which is why I use the collapsible selfie stick. I added a rubber plug piece with a threaded insert that fits snugly in the Kestrel round (horizontal) hole. A piece of allthread into the threaded insert goes about 2" into a piece of plastic cardboard. As a counterweight, I added some (currently inelegant) fishing weights to the vertical hole. The counterweight works really well, but could look cleaner. I like the wind vane you're using, but I know it would fall off and smack me in the head as I move my tripod from stage to stage.
Nice looking new 360, Jonathan. 👍🏼 How do you like the Audere scope mounts? They look extremely massive and rugged; thought about giving them a try someday.
It’s pretty solid. It’s arguably just as good as Spuhr. I got this one for free as part of a promo with MK Machining where you got a free Audere mount with a ZCO.
I'll usually use the Magnetospeed unless the rifle can't support it via Arca or Picatinny, or if I'm shooting multiple guns, in which case I'll use the LabRadar.
I think it was 2 weeks for the barrelled action to ship after order. I'll be testing Lapua LR and SLR (and other ammo) in this rifle at 100+ when my schedule allows.
I tried a tuner on my 20" MTU and didn't really get any decent results. Granted, I didn't spend much time with it. I feel like a tuner is just making it too complex. I just want a barrel that shoots well without having to adjust an external weight.
External side weights. I likely don’t need them with this barreled action. As mentioned in the closing remarks, I’m going to change out weights later when I get a chance.
@@copperkai For the Matrix Pro? You can get them from Masterpiece Arms or direct from Gray Ops CNC as I believe Gray Ops is making the weights for MPA. grayopscnc.com/collections/mpa-accessories
Where is all this info that a 13 twist is better at what yardage? You dont have high VLD bullets there. Over spinning a bullet wont get you better accuracy.
If you follow rimfire the past couple years, there has been a lot more experimenting with 22LR beyond 100 yards. People have found that faster twist rates are having better results at 100-200 yards. I cannot remember what podcast it was, but there was one with Vudoo as a guest and they specifically stated there were showing 1:9" or 1:10" (note: I could be mistaken on the twist rate, but it was something significantly faster than 1:16") twist having better results at distance, however sacrificing a little at 50 yards. 1:12" twist has become popular in Canada which shoots a lot of PRS Rimfire, which stretches out to 200-300 yards. I agree that overspinning a bullet won't get better accuracy. However, the issue at-hand is what is overspinning a bullet, especially in the case of .22LR? If you need a definitive paper on the use of faster twist rates with 22LR for modern rimfire ammo, I don't know of one. Right now, we're all going off of people who are pioneering by doing and using faster twist rates. When I was at the Lapua Rimfire Performance Center in Mesa back in 2021, the rep told me they were investigating how to setup 200 meter testing. When this happens, it will likely allow for some better data collection without external factors (e.g. wind) to test and compare rifle variables like twist rate.
@@ocabj I remember those Vudoo 1:9T comments. I bought a 1:9T Lilja for a CZ 455/457 based on that potential trend. It was accurate, but the spin drift was awful. 0.3 mils right at 100, 0.6 at 200, 0.9 at 300. I decided it wasn't worth it (for the 1:9, anyway). The barrel didn't seem appreciably better than my factory CZ 457 MTR barrel. I know lots of guys who are very happy with their 1:12s and 1:13s.
FYI: I mentioned Womfat's (Matthew) Vudoo Three 60 in my opening remarks and tried to insert a RUclips 'card' with a link to his video and noticed it is very inconsistent. This is his video overview of his custom Vudoo Three 60 - ruclips.net/video/uR6dQeMgaZs/видео.html
thanks
I had a similar experience with DI Precision. I ended up going with David's recommendation: 25 inch MullerWorks 1.25 straight (1:13) with EC V2. Working with David was great and the rifle is an absolute hammer. I could not be more pleased with build - highly recommend DI Precision to others looking for a custom build.
I had DI build me a Vudoo 360 with 25” 1.250” 13 twist Mullerworks and EC Tuner V2. So far it has been nothing short of amazing. Spent a day there watching how they build the barreled actions the week of the PRS Rimfire Finale in December.
Nice build Jonathan, I have a RimX with a 26” MullerWorks 1.25”coming in a few days, Kenny at DPGunworks built it for me. I’ve never heard of MullerWorks until recently but they seem to shoot great, I’ll find out soon. Great video, subscribed
Just found your channel. Very nice rifle with a great review and camerawork. 👍🏼
Dude, you have some killer gear and the skills to go with it. Always enjoy your content.
I got on a Facebook CZ p457 age and asked about the one and 13 twist and dude I got hammered. I know a bunch of people that are starting to lead that way and I was wanting to know if you would do a video and try to clear up some things on that once you’ve got some experience with it. Thanks I love your videos and attention to detail and how you give the exact model number and part number of the parts it makes it easy for people like me to buy things that you are talking about.
Hey Johnathan, looking at the ftf case. I paused and looked at the case rim. From expirence, if the case rim is bent over, headspace is exceeding .045". FTF issues I have seen in these Vudoo's are due to tennon length and headspace fitment. Need that rim solid on the barrel for the firing pin to do its job else its like punching paper
I recall seeing a video on your channel talking about that and that did come to mind when it occurred. I honestly haven't retried Eley in this rifle, but plan on doing so in the next few weeks when I have the opportunity as I had a few other tests to conduct still.
@Jonathan Ocab really enjoy your content. I dont comment much but watch every one. I have gauges to check what Headspace you have ranging from .041-.050 if you ever want to check, Hit me up. Hopefully I can head to WEGC one of these matches, would be a honor to shoot with you
I’m on a waiting list for a Muller 22lr blank.
I’m going to go with either Mile High Shooting or Black Canyon Customs do the work.
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to seeing your next video. New sub as a result of your testimony. Blessings
What a rig.
Jonathan great rifle build and great shooting. Enter that thing in the Dayattherange Z Challenge 🤣
What a BEAUTIFUL, SOLID, & EXCELLENT CHOICES in that Rifle !!!!......like the weight of it,.....can't understand why some guys will go with a heavy 22, - as is my choice, but then go with light-weight for their centerfire????.....makes no sense....lol....I like & appreciate the solid & heavy in both,....AGAIN - SUPERB - BEAUTIFUL Rifle !!! - Thanks SO MUCH fer sharing !!
Vudoo now has 1.2 straights now.. upto 26" I believe. I have one coming in - Bartlein 25" 1.2 straight.
very satisfying
Congrats on the new build…. Looks to be a shooter…
As a side note, Vudoo will barrel straight 1.20 bartein from the factory, just got one a couple of weeks ago.
This is good to know. I just checked their order form and saw they updated options. Perhaps we're going to see more thick barrels out there.
I can confirm that. Ordered a V-22 w/ 22” Bartlein no-taper from VGW back at end of Jan. 1.2” dia. 16twist for now, waiting and watching to see how the 13twist works out.
Change out your firing pin spring from the standard 19lb to a 22lb spring. I had to do that to get it to shoot Eley Match consistantly and have no misfires.
Beautiful rifle😍
Happy Easter Sunday man! Does the new barrel have a cone breech or extractor cuts? Look forward to tracking how it performs for you going fw
Happy Easter. It has extractor cuts.
i wonder if a shorter barrel and a bit more MV/FPS would do better for ELR and get closer to 1075-1090 range although i wonder how muzzle velocity SD/variance would be at shorter range.
do a video on your wind set up on your tripod please
Moving on up in the world, hope they got the mags figured out, holding me back from one.
I've had no issues with magazines in my Gen 1.2 or this new 360. But they've all sat in MPA chassis with adjustable magazine catches. EDIT: That is to say I have been able to setup my guns to have no issues beacuse of the adjustable magazine catch.
@@ocabj good deal I have a Bergara in an MPA and adjusting the mag catch does not help so I do not need another picky little girl around here but nice to know I have just seen so many guys at matches and on video where they get vudooooood, I heard they were updating magazines? nice rifle man I dig that truck axle!!
@@Picit13 Vudoo has adjustable magazines in the works. They showed off some at SHOT Show 2023. Not sure why they haven't released them, yet. Quite possible they are making changes to the version they showed at SHOT, or maybe they're still trying to ramp production.
@@ocabj been in the business over 20 years I’m used to those waits 😂
I watch Womfat all the time. Very informative. Your gun is amazing and like I say about Womfat, you guys must have great jobs! I smiled when you commented about the bolt jump when you pull the trigger because I was watching that precisely through your vid. It does jump, not a lot but with every shot. I question just how much difference that makes in accuracy. I have seen no jump and some jump up to 1/4" at the handle but I see no variance in accuracy. What is your thought on that?
I have a Mullerworks 25in 15 twist on a Gen ii Vudoo action. Super accurate with Lapua and Eley, although will not shoot eley consistently with around 2 ftfs out of every 10. Even with the Ace barrel and chambering. Doesn't matter the lot number, just won't do it despite heavier firing pin spring and head spaced correctly. With Lapua ammo never had an issue and thats what I have gone with. Gun was chambered by Servos Custom Firearms in Alabama. Ive been blessed with a lot of wins with this combination. Nice rifle and good luck to you. P.S. Are you going to be at Nationals this year?
Likely not going to Nationals, especially given it's on the East Coast all the way in NC. I'm not a fan of air travel (no problem with flying, I just hate the process) so if I do attend a match, I'd prefer to road trip it with my rifle and ammo (and gear).
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It’s like that heavy beast is glued to the bench. No recoil at all. Will you use it for positional shooting?
Yes, will be using for NRL22. I need to take off some chassis weights but it will still be over 20lbs.
Exact is like rem golden .
What's your tripod wind flag indicator setup? Need more details on that!
I go over it a bit here - ruclips.net/video/BUhNdyApXgI/видео.html - The wind vane is just something I found on eBay - www.ebay.com/itm/303244167280
@@lastboyscout2950 I'm debating on getting a Kestrel vane. For this particular item, I simply wanted to try using the WeatherFlow which came with my KILO8K instead of it just sitting in the box unused.
@@ocabj The Kestrel vane "knob" piece threads onto a standard 1/4x20 (or whatever the camera standard is), which is why I use the collapsible selfie stick. I added a rubber plug piece with a threaded insert that fits snugly in the Kestrel round (horizontal) hole. A piece of allthread into the threaded insert goes about 2" into a piece of plastic cardboard. As a counterweight, I added some (currently inelegant) fishing weights to the vertical hole. The counterweight works really well, but could look cleaner.
I like the wind vane you're using, but I know it would fall off and smack me in the head as I move my tripod from stage to stage.
What color cerakote is on it?
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If I ever have more spare money I’ll have Dave build me that rifle. Can you tell me where you bought that scope cover? Thank you.
scopechaps.com
Hi .. max bullet weight would be like 50gr
.? Thanks
Two is one one is none 😂
Nice looking new 360, Jonathan. 👍🏼
How do you like the Audere scope mounts?
They look extremely massive and rugged; thought about giving them a try someday.
It’s pretty solid. It’s arguably just as good as Spuhr. I got this one for free as part of a promo with MK Machining where you got a free Audere mount with a ZCO.
Sir. Where did you get your Velcro cross patch?
tamfamgram.com/
Nice! Maybe I missed it but any particular reason you're using the magneto speed versus the LabRadar?
I'll usually use the Magnetospeed unless the rifle can't support it via Arca or Picatinny, or if I'm shooting multiple guns, in which case I'll use the LabRadar.
How did the rifle shoot with the barrel that came on it ? Is that the reason you rebelled it? Did that barrel not shoot well?
Beagleman
I didn't rebarrel it. I bought the barrelled action like this from DI Precision.
Beautiful set up. Congrats. How long did you wait to get the Mullerworks barrel? Also I wonder how the Lapua Super LR would do out past 100 yards?
I think it was 2 weeks for the barrelled action to ship after order. I'll be testing Lapua LR and SLR (and other ammo) in this rifle at 100+ when my schedule allows.
Curious, was there a reason as to why you chose NOT to get a barrel tuner with this build?
I tried a tuner on my 20" MTU and didn't really get any decent results. Granted, I didn't spend much time with it. I feel like a tuner is just making it too complex. I just want a barrel that shoots well without having to adjust an external weight.
@@ocabj Okay, then I how long was the delivery time once you ordered it?
@@rogerseymour560 24 days.
What are those attachments you have on the side of the of the handguard?
External side weights. I likely don’t need them with this barreled action. As mentioned in the closing remarks, I’m going to change out weights later when I get a chance.
@@ocabj Where can I get those style weights?
@@copperkai For the Matrix Pro? You can get them from Masterpiece Arms or direct from Gray Ops CNC as I believe Gray Ops is making the weights for MPA. grayopscnc.com/collections/mpa-accessories
Where is all this info that a 13 twist is better at what yardage? You dont have high VLD bullets there. Over spinning a bullet wont get you better accuracy.
If you follow rimfire the past couple years, there has been a lot more experimenting with 22LR beyond 100 yards. People have found that faster twist rates are having better results at 100-200 yards. I cannot remember what podcast it was, but there was one with Vudoo as a guest and they specifically stated there were showing 1:9" or 1:10" (note: I could be mistaken on the twist rate, but it was something significantly faster than 1:16") twist having better results at distance, however sacrificing a little at 50 yards. 1:12" twist has become popular in Canada which shoots a lot of PRS Rimfire, which stretches out to 200-300 yards.
I agree that overspinning a bullet won't get better accuracy. However, the issue at-hand is what is overspinning a bullet, especially in the case of .22LR?
If you need a definitive paper on the use of faster twist rates with 22LR for modern rimfire ammo, I don't know of one. Right now, we're all going off of people who are pioneering by doing and using faster twist rates.
When I was at the Lapua Rimfire Performance Center in Mesa back in 2021, the rep told me they were investigating how to setup 200 meter testing. When this happens, it will likely allow for some better data collection without external factors (e.g. wind) to test and compare rifle variables like twist rate.
@@ocabj I remember those Vudoo 1:9T comments. I bought a 1:9T Lilja for a CZ 455/457 based on that potential trend. It was accurate, but the spin drift was awful. 0.3 mils right at 100, 0.6 at 200, 0.9 at 300. I decided it wasn't worth it (for the 1:9, anyway). The barrel didn't seem appreciably better than my factory CZ 457 MTR barrel.
I know lots of guys who are very happy with their 1:12s and 1:13s.
@@lastboyscout2950 Very interesting feedback on spin drift. Not something I thought about. That is definitely great info to keep in the notes.
super quiet
All that to shoot 22LR… AT 50-100 YARDS… 😢😮