Rotten Tomatoes Situation
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This abomination having 83% critic score is the exact reason why people don't even bother reading critic reviews anymore
A result of those previous acts! RT used to do this with captain marvel and several shitty star wars movies
The shills of critic rankings are unreal - and now it's based on politics, not just hyping a movie just to hype it.
@@NotSoNarrowCast You could say the exact same thing about the audience score though.
@@lukewarmape603 you mean the ones puting this show as 10. i agree
@@frosty848 Sure. All disingenuous reviews should be banned. I have a feeling that would raise the score though, not lower it.
Folks call garbage garbage, media gets mad
millionaires most affected
*Elites get mad.
I've never watched Acolytes. Explain what made it garbage?
@@Diogo85 Just kind of mediocre, but it has a female lead so it's bringing out the 'go woke, go broke' crowd
@@Diogo85 No the other guy is lying, the show is at best mediocre. Acting is terrible, pacing is terrible, editing is terrible. It has a female lead, that literally has no personality and isn't even a character. Btw the show costs $180 million dollars.
People don’t understand the difference between review bombing and reviewing a bomb
Good one!😂
If they remove audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes, there'd be no reason to check the website anymore.
There is no reason to check it now either. All I need to know is on youtube.
I don't think people see movies anymore. They see woke stuff in all of them. It just caused people to watch old movies in thier collection rather tham watch new stuff.
Rotten Tomato´s are run by distributors and producers 100%
Heads up. Crunchyroll did the same thing today.
@@UToobUsername01 bro didnt even watch the first 10 seconds of the video. its about season 1 not a movie
They removed The Power of Many.
The power of lezziesssss
*The Power of Manyyyyyyyyy
OK, this made me laugh.
OK this made me laugh 😅
The Power of Too Much
Show so bad they had to remove the rating. Insane.
Thay have to protect those corporate interests
pulled a youtube
It's how all businesses works. How do you make something successful? Remove the negative comments. We have staff surveys every year. Things like would you recommend someone else to work here, do you like your job etc, You fill it in, and they publish the ones that got the most positive reviews and ignore the negative ones. It's how it works. AICN's used to review bomb movies, so they banned him from press showings.
It’s not a bad show
@@kylej4929 Fr, we're gonna have a "return audience score to rotten tomatoes browser extension" soon lmao
There are 10 more examples. Disney always has shady shit happening with their reviews when it's a bad product.
They been busted many times indeed. But people still click to receive misinformation. Their problem is that the Acolyte is so bad, they can´t stop the fact that they are destroying The star Wars universe.
The power of one.
The power of two.
The power of 14% audience score.
And then comes the Power of mental warfare. Cant belive how ignorant some people with money can be 🤦
Now we know why its called rotten tomatoes.
They used to throw rotten tomatoes at stage actors when they didn’t like the performance.
Rotten tomatoes was caught in another big scandal a year ago I thought , related to bribes for scores or something iirc?
@@zeyphr0505They got caught in scandals for Captain Marvel and some DC movies too.
Rotten to the core.
Now? This been going on for like a decade. People still flauk to the site for validation one way or the other... weird IMHO
"the critics exist to serve the audience"
"the audience is the reason the critics exist, the critics are not the reason the audience exists"
There's a major flaw in this line of reasoning in the context of review bombing situations. The problem with review bombing is that you aren't getting legitimate opinions of people who have watched the show. A lot of review bombing situations involve people who haven't watched the show or played the game but heard about one specific issue. Those people then go to the review part of the website and immediately give it a 0 based solely on that issue without consuming the product or considering everything else. This obviously skews the "audience score" drastically and doesn't reflect the opinions of audience members who actually consumed the product and gave their honest opinion on the product as a whole.
@@PKPAPN What about the love bombing of certain media? Like what happened with Rings of Power. Does that give a good indication of what people think about something? The fact of the matter is that anything that gets review bombed does so with good reason. There isn't a single positive thing to take from the Acolyte so the terrible audience score is justified.
@@PKPAPN but on the flip side, when you purchase a franchise you inherit the fan base. When you turn on those fans they don't have to like the show or even watch it to have a legitimate opinion about it.
@@PKPAPN There was no way to know they watched the show before this was considered a "thing." In fact there is no way to know that positive reviews watched the show or are real and those should be way more suspect because they stand to make money from them.
Not only that when did we collectively decide that someone who watched a show for 5 minutes and quit doesn't have a valid opinion? If I ate two bites of food then got sick wouldn't you want to see my review for a restaurant?
@@PKPAPN Do we have good reason to believe that the critics themselves watched the entire season and are expressing their honest opinion, and not an opinion paid for by a corporation?
"They're not going to make corporate decisions based of RUclips videos"
Dislike bar is gone, discovery algorithm favors big corporate channels over smaller ones.
Multiple RUclips channels talking about how YT is changed things and is hiding their videos from being discovered.
Not to mention the HUGE and very popular issue that is RUclips unsubscribing people from channels. Look it up, even. It's been happening to me and channels that I know I've been subbed to for years, who I watch regularly, have been removed from my subscriber list. And when I try to resubscribe, it gives me an error. But all the very popular RUclipsrs who have millions of subscribers are still in my subscriptions.
There's no real fix or plan to fix this either. Apparently it's just RUclips randomly deciding to put a cap on accounts' subscription counts and limiting them to only 2,000 subscriptions. It makes no sense.
There is always a chance that critics are paid which makes their critic worthless
This has been going on since movies were in black and white with no sound, in every industry. Look up "Gamespot Kane and Lynch" if you're too young to remember that
yeah I think it's the same for all art forms, lots of money laundering going on, pay so called experts to explain that everyone who doesn't appreciate it is stupid. Instead of putting effort into the art itself, they change the meaning of art. But Disney is more insidious, cause they have a whole agenda with their stupid bs (which goes before the art in their case), and LOADS of explaining how terrible the audience is for using their eyes and ears.
RT has been caught in 4k manipulating scores since they went all in to protect Captain Marvel, possibly earlier.
Yup, its very obvious they work with the movie studios in order to protect the film and show investments. Wonder how much Disney pays them for that
Guys it's publicly owned by WB and Universal. OF COURSE THEY'RE LYING!
I think they want people to see the legitimate opinions of people who watched the movie and gave their honest opinion on the product as a whole. How many of the reviews of Captain Marvel were people who never even watched the movie but went to the site to give it a 0 based solely on the whole interview situation where the actor made controversial comments? That's not a legitimate review of the product, it's just someone expressing their anger at something said outside of the movie. So when the audience score becomes completely unrelated to a reflection of legitimate reviews of the movie, why would that be displayed?
@@danlorett2184 And as everyone knows, WB wants nothing more than for their own movies to flop and Disneys to succeed.
@@PKPAPN Because literally any reason is a valid reason to not like a movie. I know the sort of reviews your talking about and they always read as angry protest and not an actual review of the movie, but some part of the audience felt that about the product and so the review should remain. If other people read that review and value it more than one from someone that has seen the movie, so be it. People are capable of being discerning, the platform doesn't have to baby readers, it isn't to the users benefit.
There's also the fact that if hiding the review is effective in protecting the reputation of the movie then the outcome has been manipulated, which is just plain wrong in principle and should be avoided wherever possible.
I’ve never seen a show that wasn’t trash get “review bombed”. Weird how that works
It's almost like trash shows get rated like trash. When you are disney and have $180,000,000 invested in this show they will do what they must to protect their profits.
Ive seen plenty my dude, shows can be trash and people can be too
@@EM-bz1rn why don't you name those plenty shows? why even comment if you are not gonna bring anything of substance.
I've seen some and it's amounted to nothing. I've seen it attempted on a couple of games, usually being shot down instantly when the people who like the game figure it offended those people who are trying to review bomb. It would depend on the size of the existing audience though. It doesn't really happen to a large franchise if the media is good and pleases the majority of their target audience.
@@Myhaay He even liked his own comment, like the reviewers are paid/influenced by Disney to like their 💩. These people are all the same!
I work in retail. All the new Star Wars stuff in on clearance because it doesn't sell.
4:17 Asmon...the reason why we shoot first is becaues weve learned that if the wolf roams around the chicken pen, even if he doesnt have a chiicken in his jaw when youre looking at him , AT SOME POINT we know its gonna happen....so we shoot first
Also the ddos thing could just be a cope or a excuse cause they got caught
Wolves don't hunt for chickens. Pack animals hunt large game.
@@banhammer3904 Wolves absolutely get into chicken pens and they are opportunistic predators. Some wolves can also leave their packs. The process is known as "dispersal", and these are lone wolves.
@@ethaniris7069 could have been, page got down and google disabled searches to avoid 500 pages, and if crawler finds it's back up then enable it.... for that kind of thing it can be a flip of a switch for a program, but wierd it was completely removed, but possible, like everything related to that exact url to be ommited
for this guy stating that "they were tinkering" because he found out a page was a bit slower, to his subjective experience, is not something he could tell, it's his conspiracy theory, page could have been rebuilding cache or synchronizing data so it got slower because if you look at average caching system it can change loading of a page from 2s to 600ms, it can also be 1.2s to 800ms, depends on many factors, but "page works slower, so they are doing things" is bullshit, in those big corporate projects you have internal version and at the end of verification you just push a bigger finished change that won't affect user experience at all
@@banhammer3904 animals will eat whatever the damn hell they can get their hands on.
"People are watching everything about the acolyte except the actual show"
I don't know how true it is, but im one of them
I’ve seen episode 1 of the acolyte but I’ve consumed about 5hrs+ of acolyte related videos 😂
I'm not really interested in watching new star wars anymore but I love me some controversy
@NixLotus I haven't even seen episode 1 but I'm well over 5 hours of this shows coverage, EFAP really adds to that time...
Edit: auto corrected coverage to courage
Same for me
watching people laugh at how trash something is is always more entertaining than watching the trash by itself, i can confirm that myself from when i still used to watch disney+ XD
The rise of skywalker score is 86 percent audience, its been that for 5 years, they froze the score on release.
They've frozen scores of other films too
@@iliilliliiliilliliiliillil9137RT has no credibility. Asmon is fence sitting. There is MORE evidence for Paul's conclusion than the technical glitch excuse.
Asmon is doing Paul a disservice.
Asmon casually ignores years and years of evidence time and time again on this.
I don't think he's a shill but holy moly he's lazy sometimes.
@@bobdole3804yeah he had an exceptionally bad take here. The pattern is long established, but he wants to treat it like a one off.
@@bobdole3804Cause he’s just here to react, give an opinion in the moment instead of using actual evidence, post the RUclips video and gets views.
Easy.
"You will own nothing and be happy"
And now : "You will like it or we will force you to like it"
5:32 ....... They got caught and reverted it after realizing that it would absolutely eviscerate the last shred of respect that they have as a platform. Why give them credit for undoing something insane only after massive backlash?
The audience scores were 100% disabled for a while, I saw it myself. There was no "fake controversy", it actually did happen. And just for a few very specific shows. It was suspicious.
As is the style of the time.
Anything is supiscious if you are conspiracy enough
They did it again with other Star Wars and Marvel movies also. They froze something else out recently and can't remember what it was. The Marvel's?
zero understanding of how websites are managed
@kingkarlito dude why was it only for disney plus shows.
Disney is committed to fucking around and finding out
If you recall there was a scandal with Captain Marvel not too long ago where reviews were posted onto the site before the movie was released. Rotten Tomatoes called this a "Glitch" and as a result people were under the impression that they were fluffing the movie and timed it wrong.
For months, Acolyte haters were predicting Rotten Tomatoes would alter Acolyte audience scores as a form of damage control for the show. Thats why they jumped on this "glitch" so fast.
I would guess they probably really tried to change something.
As a person working in the IT sector I can tell, Every change, especially rushed changes can create bugs.
Not changing anything doesn'T create bugs. So there is a saying "Never change a running system".
So I would say it is very probable that they created a glitch while trying to tinker with the configurations and presentation and so on.
@@blablup1214 oh its a glitch only happening on high budget controversial disney shows? hmmm. your IT job didnt provide you with any critical thinking skills i guess. nice degree buddy. disney shows with 80% critic scores on RT but low audience score specifically "glitch".. wonder why IMDB never has any issues with review bombing or low scores.
@@blablup1214 I agree, also, it seems to only happen with movies that have high critic scores and low audience scores. That alone is pretty sus to me.
They bought out tickets for that movie.
Don't worry guys, it was just a "bug"
That kind of reminds me of the Instagram iPhone incident, when the new iOS Beta revealed that Instagram was occasionally accessing the camera without reason. In a later press conference they also labeled it a "bug".
Disney gave them a call
There is more evidence for that than a technical glitch.
@@nickf2657 Just in time eh?
Even “glitches” can get people talking about it.
I don't really think disney gave them a call, to be honest. I'm not really sure how RT benefits from fudging the numbers for Disney. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like a dumb business decision considering most of their money probably comes from advertising, so potentially losing viewers to appease Disney doesn't sound like a solid move.
The big thing here though, imo, is that this shows how much folks distrust media sites at this point -- and for good reason.
Access
This isnt the first time they ''fixed'' reviews
They are likely now going to be mass deleting reviews below 2 stars for "review bombing" that seems to be the reason why it's going up bit by bit. In a few months it will he 50%+
They do this all the time
EXACTLY, I fucking hate this half-normie side of the internet.
I find it funny remembering older DVDs of movies where they'd proudly proclaim "3 stars!" on the box based on reviews from critics, when that would be considered a "low" rating by today's standards.
Now, you have movies and shows that try to proclaim "8/10! 9/10!" while there's plenty of audience backlash for one reason or another to show the opposite. The point being that critic reviews are generally much less trustworthy and reliable nowadays.
Because let's be real, you're lying to yourself if you believe that modern critic reviews are still just as honest and unbiased about media. Especially media that happens to be backed by multi-billion dollar studios with a shareholder incentive to profit off their "investments" rather than make a genuine piece of cinematic art.
its honestly just rotten tomatoes. its a 3.5 on IMDB. generally IMDB is solid, even the critic reviews. a 6-7 on IMDB i know exactly what im getting myself into. a mediocre but potentially entertaining movie. 8+ are the heavy hitters. 7+ are above average. anything below a 5 is generally pure trash. its quite literally only certain critic reviews not the entire industry. RT has been known for a while to be completely unreliable and full of shills. honestly the only reason people even talk about it still. IMDB has been consistent for YEARS. a 3.5/10 for this show is 100% acceptable score.
Glitch removes only bad press lol
Why do people even use RT? It’s clear that the reviews from the critics are bought and paid for
I tell my bf this... He is like "oh it has really good reviews!" And I'm thinking ... Does it though..? 😅
I trust critic reviews less than I trust Amazon reviews.
What's a better alternative for audience reviews, no one cares about the critic reviews
@Sanguinarius9999 I find IMBd to have pretty good user scores
The acolyte currently have 3,5 out of 10
People in the know don't use RT.
Think about all the normies who believe everything they see on TV or on whatever videos this site is pushing to the top. Those are the people that use that site.
Modern journalism is dead. Sad that you have to go to random communities on big names like Twitter, Reddit, RUclips, any site that is not the journalist site itself, for any honest review and discussion
Those places have shills still tho. But at least someone could find real opinions on there that aren't entirely censored
What does rottentomatoes have to do with jounalism ? It is an aggregate site that gives an average scores from all professional movie critics including yotube. Rottentomatoes does not do any reviews themselves but just an average score ie fresh or rotten basically.
@@logirex Rotten tomato is owned by Warner Bros and NBCUniversal and it purpose is to hide reviews from the audience and change them to arbiraty aggretated percentage, which may or may not correspond with the reviews, as it just tell if majority of reviews have given above or below average review. Movie that gets 3 stars from all the reviewes is 100% fresh in rotten tomato, even though it is clearly just average movie according to reviews.
The mods are probably gonna say you're making hate speech and ban you...
It isn't dead, it is just corrupted beyond the point of no return.
Now it serves as a mouthpiece for its masters being Socialists.
Yeah bro I'm sure it was a total coincidence that it only affected star wars out of the thousands of movies and shows 😂
Asmon, stop fence sitting. They specifically disabled the score for one specific show's main page, and then magically fixed it after getting caught red handed. They "conveniently" break their pages every time a Disney product starts getting bad reviews. Every time.
THANK YOU! And his audience.
I'm so tired of this like half-normie side of the internet.
Yeah. "Show me the evidence of this happening a lot."- Asmon. You mean besides all the other times you have covered news like this?
Rotten Tomatoes has done this a few times already. And those times it was proven to be on purpose. So I am not about to go believing they are innocent of any shenanigans anymore.
House of the dragon score was gone too
@@josephbolton5893 exactly, how is a 83% RT score getting a 3.5 on IMDB? it makes no sense. even the IMDB critics hate this show. its ONLY rotten tomatoes. how is only 1 site getting high critic scores on all these garbage shows/movies with disney or some other mutlibillion $ backer? its because RT is trash. asmon fence sits so hard because "he wants all the evidence" or some other excuse when the evidence is already there and hes choosing to ignore it deliberately.
Forget the censorship for a second
83% Critique score!? What the actual fuck is wrong with the world holy
Access journalism. Critics need to kiss ass for access to movies or games. They believe it is necessary as not being able to publish before the general audience has access would be missing out on people searching for info about it.
Basically if they don't play softball with these large corporations, they can't publish their time-sensitive reviews when they'd be most profitable.
@@Keeki95yet people are turning to honest reviewers because of this. Does it really matter who gets it first? I'll wait for the reviewer I trust.
the power of one....the power of 2....the power of manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.......critics are paid
@@RoddHarding Personally I do too, but unfortunately the normies don't really pay much attention about who is trustworthy. They hear about an upcoming show, so they go and search for info about it. The sites that have articles get traffic to sell ads on.
Honest reviewers are facing an uphill battle, and I can only hope they will end up becoming more influential.
@@RoddHardingJournalists make money off of how many eyeballs see their stuff, and people (normies) aren’t going to read your article about something two weeks after they’ve read everyone else’s, so to compete, at least early on, you have to play that same game or fall behind and lose your job. Any journalist with integrity would be outcompeted by journalists who get the scoop first, at least early on before people grew skeptical.
It’s the same thing with manufacturing in china. Businesses in America that wanted to keep selling products that were only made in America would be outcompeted by businesses that bought stuff from china because china could provide it for “cheaper” (ie no safety standards, no pollution standards, paying the workers the equivalent of pennies a day).
Markets can unfortunately push even good businesses to have to either compromise on their principles or go out of business.
Imagine giving that 83% and getting paid for your opinion
Just for clarification. 83% on RT means that 83% of the critics gave it a passing grade. Not that it's rated a 8.3/10
Sorry brah - There’s enough evidence for his theory to be valid. Also note he didn’t claim for it to 100% true, he stated it as an opinion.
Asmon says that one dot deosn't make the graph, but RT already made a bunch of dots before when they manipulated the audience scores on a bunch of movies/series. Removing them seems like a logical next step.
RUclips removed dislikes, twitter & instagram removed likes, Netflix removed rating system, but Rotten tomatoes might be a mistake,
Occam’s razor says its probably to remove “toxic fanbase” because it doesnt help corporate image and since they are “professional” in demeanor,
Its Disney for reference
Crunchy Roll is removing user reviews as well.
Asmon isn't aware that RT has set a precedent for this when they fixed the Captain Marvel audience review at 80%.
You don't seem to be aware that RT is currently giving Captain Marvel a 45%.
I know lying is fun for some people but please for the love of god just take the 20 seconds to google it.
It’s exactly why people would be ready to believe RT would do this.
Yep they already have a history of this
Rise of Skywalker locked in at 86%
Same people who preach Democracy.. 😂
Confuses me that asmon believes eventually they will start removing the audience score, but refuses to consider they would try it now
They didn't think anyone'd notice. As soon as people did, it's just a backtrack and say it was a technical issue.
There’s no way they would have thought no one would notice this. That’s an insane opinion to have.
Yep
So you didn't watch the video and you're just spewing unsubstantiated garbage. Shame on you.
@@TP-pq9xx Exactly. This smacks of a tech issue. Audience score for ANYTHING sticks out, usually when people hate or love some media, in opposition to the general critics' view.
@@TP-pq9xx Really? Have you seen the level of stupidity in the world now days? It's 100% possible.
Something to keep in mind, RT has been caught in manipulative behavior and controversies several times over the last three to five years (probably as much as ten years, if memory serves). They removed 80% of the negative reviews of either the second or third Star Wars sequel movies, calling them "botted" reviews and "negative review bombing." Yeah, no, RT has been shown to have bias heavily influenced by studios that very likely paid them to make those "changes."
They also lean towards progressivism, which is what these shows are about and why they bomb.
Not to mention that the "positive over-intake" is never mentioned or touched. Weird how all 10/10s are okay'd.
Gotta tweek my reply for ourtube apparently.
@Skip-Kilat you just got cloaked by the site. Tripped some kind of detection.
I actually like the Korean actor Lee Jung-Jae from Squid Game, but he picked the wrong series to debut in the West. Hope it doesn't damage his career and exposure in the West. He's a terrific actor.
He was probably decently removed from the western brainrot nonsense that hollywood is going through so i feel for the man coming into that without any idea he was about to get fucked.
A lot of people (who watched the Acolyte) say that he's hands down best actor in the show (although his character is a major dumbass)
This is just a nitpick, but one thing i found wierd is that he grew up on Coruscant from a baby/youngling age but still is the only Jedi with a non Coruscant accent
@@thor.halsli I mean the heterogeneity of jedi accents is old news. Some are british, some are american, some have other random nation's accents. Lucas just never thought that hard about it.
The funny thing about them removing the review scores is that we never needed them in the first place. When something sucks, you can just FEEL it.
Lines of code were added and the live website was updated…”accidentally”
yeah, it glitched and added a separate season tab and hid the audience scores behind it.
Nothing new, they've been caught multiple times.
its fair to point out that they cared enough about a "minor hickup" that they claim was "fake controversy" that they made articles about it and found a youtube video to post about it. which means, yes they do keep up with youtube trending videos and found rotten tomatoes being bashed for it and yes they felt they had to combat something that they claim was a "minor hickup" with the sight. if they didn't care about either and also didn't understand their reputation was already in the gutter, they wouldn't have ignored this and moved on and it would have disappeared in a day. running counter articles on the criticism basically confirms that they at least know they are already notorious.
When it comes to Disney and Rotten Tomatoes there has been many "glitches"
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker has been obvious review bombed UP.
It somehow has an 86% audience score and around the release had lots of obvious reviews from bots.
The audience score for it was literally locked in place, during the theatrical run it would not ever go up or down.
And that’s why I don’t trust Audience scores 😂
@@indianajim Audience Scores are fine. It is ROTTEN TOMATOES that you can't trust.
People that shill for Critics and News are to NEVER BE TRUSTED!
Dead internet strikes again
We don't have a GamerGate situation on our hands, we have an EntireWorldMediaGate.
Correction HollywoodMediaGate
@@mystirboyits a joke not a statement 😂
Bro is so afraid of the chance of being wrong 💀
Asmon, yeah lol.
It's almost as if in current world he wouldn't live it down for decades on end.
every time he's wrong he permanently loses hair
@@araamahasla555 its almost as if hes wrong pretty often and you are just overexaggerating and riding it like youre married.
tell me whats right about this show?
It's called PATTERN RECOGNITION, Zack..... This has literally happened 1000 times now!!
I've never seen you drop the ball like this ... What's the deal???
Does he genuinely believe this was a glitch??? .... ANYONE??
Remember that he needs to keep that "Neutral" image, recognizing patters only when it's convenient.
Asmongold is talking out of both sides of his mouth here. If RUclips videos and RUclipsrs were so insignificant, then why did RUclips remove the disapproval button? Why are companies who post content that gets ratio-ed able to kill off their comment sections. If it’s all peanuts to elephants, then none of it should matter. However, conversely, you see companies push to do otherwise on RUclips.
Yep
Also why would companies bother to advertise on youtube, if youtube can't effect companies?
RUclips removed the dislike button (or hid it, rather) because the biden administration was getting hugely downvoted in everything they'd post...deservedly so. In fact, everything woke was getting a lot of downvotes and RUclips can't have that as they support woke causes too.
Look how hard the mob went after Crtical Drink and Nerdrotic, whilst simultaneously calling them irrelevant and other words. 😝
You can easily get the likes dislikes UI back by using google chrome extension.
How is the media this out of touch
They aren't out of touch, they're corporate shills paid to give certain things high reviews. They know exactly what they're doing.
Media: "No, no, it's the audience who are out of touch."
They are paid off. It's a play for pay environment, clearly.
If a technician comes to fix my broken air conditioner and looks me in the eye and says, "Your air conditioner is fine" while my family complains about it being broken, then he should be fired.
The issue is wmn being overly protected. If the cast was predominantly men and written and directed by men, it would be completely acceptable to roast it into oblivion.
I think the CEO of Rottin Tomatoes used to work for disney and still has strong ties, remember how they changed stuff to protect Captain Marvel
Well, Asmon loves to ride the fence. He's a professional fence sitter.
It's way simpler than that, even. Rotten Tomatoes is owned by Warner Brothers and Universal. They're literal propaganda.
An Ex disney employee
Why would people be allowed to criticize 'the message'?
Because people are sheep who bleat out the canned phrases of their favorite RUclips stars.
@@feeWAIVERType this again, but without crying.
@@DogratDavis am I wrong? Half of these people are bots, and the other half are NPCs.
@@feeWAIVER lmfao nice gaslighting bro
@@feeWAIVERbecause people are sheep, they bleat out what their favorite corporation says and belive it, and get offended at criticism
probably like you
crazy it took this long for him to notice the echo.
There are 2 important things to mention here:
- You shouldn't trust any singular review because people can have bad incentives or just be completely off-base. However, there is something to be said for taking the aggregate view of a LOT of people. If anyone can rate things and a LOT of people do so, then the result is usually closer to the truth than any other methods.
- Official critics have unfortunately been mostly bought out (aka they've become access media) by studios and other corporations. Take Rottentomatoes for instance, it is owned by Warner Brothers, which is a media conglomerate that produces a ton of movies and TV shows. So how can their critics be objective when they're ultimately serving a master who makes all the stuff?
"Review bombing"
Rating a show bad because its bad = review bombing
Yeah? Tell me which good show got review bombed? From what I've seen only garbage gets piled on (Velma, the particular Ghost Busters..)
@@randybobandy9828 a show not being what you expected or wanted =/= a bad show.
@AtraCulpa but if it's bad at doing what it's doing, regardless of if it's what audience "expected", then it is bad.
@@AtraCulpayes, yes it does
When Snatch first came out they gave it sub 20% and the critics were all calling Guy Ritchie a store brand english Tarantino wannabe with his gangster violence. Today the critic scores are a lot higher, but the audience score never changed because it was always high. I havent trusted the "critics" of RT since 2000.
Meanwhile Tarantino while watching Snatch, probably: this shit is great man.
Snatch was so good!
@@TyrianHaze”yeah man it’s great man”
Who is they? Snatch came out in 2001. Most people didn't even have internet back then, and rotten tomatoes didn't have audience scores.
Also snatch is pretty terrible.
Snatch is a classic. I loved it from day one. Also, Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels.
almost every mainstream website is doing it: disabled comments, disabled dislikes, disabled ratings...they don't like that "normal" people have a voice.
As a programmer, if something is messed up in one place, it suggests that something is being done differently with that thing than with the rest of the code. They were probably trying to throttle the number of negative reviews that a show can receive without realizing why that's problematic
Wasn't Rotten Tomatoes also literally proven or leaked that they manipulate the audience score on certain shows or movies, to be higher or lower than it actually is for 5 years like 1 year ago?
Critics Score = People paid to give high review
Audience Score = People who give honest review
critics being paid by third parties to give impartial reviews
audiences unrestrained by professionalism frothing at the mouth because of nostalgia
it's easy to make generalisations huh.
@@AtraCulpa
Except that’s the trend.
It’s easy to use the False Equivalence fallacy to defend RT, huh.
@@AtraCulpa interesting cope...
@@AtraCulpastop pandering
@@AtraCulpa except one is paying for the product and has that right, and under no obligation to buy anything. Funny how that works, huh?
Rotten Tomatoes has been disabling audience scores for the opening weeks of shows and movies for years.
Normally I would say Asmon is right, but this isn’t the first time in the past 8-10 years that Rotten Tomatoes has done this. This is not the only dot on the graph.
For this instance ok, but as a whole Rotten Tomatoes tinkers with its scores all the time and gets caught.
We no longer trust review sites, we trust regular people talking about it
I don't trust either youtuber get paid for their "reviews''
by regular people I hope you don't mean influencers
Acolyte didn't even deserve a rating
Or even be on the site wasting server space because its just as forgettable
Oh I disagree, people have to know it's trash or they would have to suffer watching it to find out themselves which just encourages the creators and boosts their views
Considering they have been previously caught taking bribes for reviews, manipulating the scores, and their weird fascination for cuties. They're toast, it's easier to believe they did it on purpose because they have lost their integrity
As a software engineer this sounds like a caching issue. A lot of websites hide panels/sections if there was an error returning data to prevent showing a broken piece of a web page
But why d plus only
Movie critics are so insufferable, they are on par with vegan cyclists and journos. Their score means nothing.
It would be like a vegan rating hamburger without eating it, critics normally have no taste in the things they are reviewing which is dumb.
The 2 old men would say an action movie is objectively a poorly made movie that scores X/10, but they could also say that it is fun and entertaining.
I remember way back in the early 2010's filtering video game reviews by user score because even back then it was common knowledge that critic scores are worthless.
@@XgoodbyeX
Actually very accurate. All you need is a diverse cast and just an attempt to be "deep" and ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️.
Actual execution doesn't matter, you know the actual show/movie itself. They can't give less of a s#!t for accuracy too.
I disagree... People just use critics wrong. First of all RT has always been a bad site mainly because of the scuffed rating system. Metacritic is the way better movie critic score and imdb the better audience score to go by. Secondly as a viewer you should find the critic or reviewer who has a similar taste as you do and you often agreed with in the past on ratings to determine whether you might like newly released shows and movies or not. Tastes are different, thats just a fact and a pure compilation of critical ratings is meaningless to the ordinary viewer. Thirdly some critics take aspects into consideration the normal viewers dont. When you have watched thousands upon thousands of hours of cinema because that is your job there are hardly things that catch you by surprise which is why often more experimental projects are higher rated by critics than by the audience, simply because those films dare something new and are not made to cater towards big audiences. Robert Eggers "The Witch" in particular comes to my mind, which was praised by critics but hated by audiences when it got released.
Now especially with franchises like Star Wars fan culture plays a big role. Viewers are emotionally invested, know the lore etc. and easily get disappointed or easily hyped whereas critics usually dont have a horse in the race. In case of "The Acolyte" the vast majority of critics who published a rating did this on the basis of the first four episodes of the show, because that is what everybody got as early review material. And the show is still running so this rating might still change over time. With that being said the critics that i particularly follow disliked the show.
Its like when youtube remived the thumbsdown.
You dont want your hammer telling you which nail you can and cant hit
Did Asmon really just agree with the guy the entire video and then say he's jumping to conclusions without evidence?
People hate this reimagined DEI Star Wars. Disney knows it, because they brag about it, then they get mad that people won't just like it.
Disney can actually afford the failure. Blackrock, vanguard, all provide ESG Tax Insentives. Its basically overdraft protection for movies.
What still confuses me is how the acolyte 180 million dollars.
I wonder how much longer this will go on, how much more money will be lost, how many more legacies will be destroyed?
@@runnre Till All Are Gone
~~Nemesis Prime
They think people will like anything because they liked the original.
@@runnre Until the anti-culture here in the US changes and runs it course. Give or take another 10-15 years before we hit the critical peak of absurdity and a backlash is triggered that goes beyond just the fandoms of IPs that are ruined. Pushing their nonsense in schools and targeting children will inevitably be the catalyst for the backlash.
Don't forget tectone thought the civil war was in 1988
it wasn't?
Don't forgot dragonball is overrated
Real anime and manga fans know hokuto no ken and saint seiya are better
@@TheFistOfTheNorthStar Real manga fans deserve getting made fun of .pdf file
@@TheFistOfTheNorthStar loser type of an opinion
The evidence is that RT has done this multiple times already, when you delete 10s of thousands of reviews often enough people won't believe your excuses anymore.
I've done some app developing and I think the only way to have this as a "technical glitch" is to work on that specific code that affect the score for that specific movie. So I think they were working on that code for whatever reason , they were tampering with it. I think that's proof enough that something malicious was happening.
I'm checking RT out now and I see they have a "most popular tv" list. Guess what's at the top with 83%...The Acolyte. I was leaning towards this just being a site glitch or something but now I'm with those that say RT changed their system again to protect Disney.
Absolutely, just like they did for Captain marvel.
How? They have the Boys at 93%, The Bear at 96%, House of the Dragon at 90%?
@meciocio ya I agree. For some reason Acolyte was at the top yet the shows below it had scores in the 90s
The critics score is like your boss' score, the audience score is his company's customers' score.
14:20 Perfect example of this is Godzilla Films and Kong Films from Legendary. Critics are talking about story users raving about how great visually monsters look and how much fun it was to watch. Critics dont like to have fun XD
Weird how technical issues always are in a SJW direction. That’s 3 of these I can think of in the last couple weeks
Man I miss old starwars.
Why? It had it's time, leave it in the past.
Old Star wars was good @@Yimmytheg
@Yimmytheg make your own gay witch TV show. Don't corrupt a franchise in the name of your political agenda.
"I miss my old man"
"Why? He had his time, leave him in the past"
You know, it's normal to miss stuff/people you used to love.
They miss when starwars was good be bad and not complicated as it is currently nor do they like when the universe is expanded past or present
What an amazing glitch that solved a massive ongoing PR disaster.
What a coincidence! Inconceivable
1:14 I refuse to give Disney the data that I watched that show after the third episode. Also been avoiding videos about because i just don't care about the show, it's bad, i don't need to know how bad. I'm watching this because the idea of pulling audience reviews especially for a show like The Acolyte is wild.
It lines up with a data glitch where they were implementing something to only show critic reviews on the home page, and when that was tested it killed the score on other pages since the data wasn't being sent anymore to those requests for a little while. Server caching etc covers it not happening everywhere all at once. Then they revert that change which is why you see audience scores on the homepage in the video but not when asmon checked it later.
Asmon being wrong 2 days ago really traumatized him lmfao
Weird comment. Go touch grass.
@@TheDonce88 stay mad
About what ?
Was he wrong?. all the people who told him reason why he was wrong...were wrong. No one said it was because of DDoS...even that answer is weak. Google has a Track Record of doing these things itls why they dont get benefit of doubt.
WHy I gave up on him a long time ago and all half nomies like Chud Logic and Kuhman too. I just can't with these people.
Reminds me of when Amy Schumer’s special was so bad Netflix changed the rating system! 😂
as a web dev i can guarantee you that a component like the audience score either disappears for ALL elements or none. these components on a web page are not copy pasted, they are created once, imported, reused and fed with different data for every element. for the audience score to go missing on specifically just one of those, there must have been manual tinkering with the data involved. technical glitch is completely out of the question
If audience score disappears, Tomatoes is dead in the water. Probably rightfully so
Rotten Tomatoes specifically deserves very little benefit of the doubt in this regard. In terms of specific TV vs all TV shows, it wasn't all TV shows. House of the Dragon, Arcane, etc... just random TV shows were not affected but every Disney Star Wars was (including ones that aren't poorly received like The Mandolorian S1 and Andor)
Rotten Tomatoes has the current system they have because they were doing damage control for Captain Marvel back in the day, and they commonly change the rules of their site and methodology to shield Disney specifically.
So 'other points on the line' in this case are the years of history the site has had trying to damage control for major companies, mostly Disney.
Now, does that confirm what they were doing here? Not really, but again, they deserve very little benefit of the doubt and their lack of transparency on what they're changing and why diminishes their use as a review website. In fact currently they primarily exist just to act as a talking point for the media/RUclipsrs taking shots at each other and nobody actually cares what the scores are or what the reviews say.
Does Zach not realize that Disney puts out an article like once a week stating how RUclips review bombers are killing their shows?
He has indeed talked about this before.
A "technical glitch",
boy, they sure tried it
As a web dev, I can tell you that is very unlikely that the website loads slower because they're making changes. Much less a UI feature removal.
I can also tell you that while it is possible that the audience score thing was a technical problem, it is very unlikely. Specially since it supposedly happened only to Star Wars stuff.
The critic is just 1 audience members. Why is their opinion regarded higher than the audience
Because they actually watch movies and not just the Super Mario Bros movie and Sonic the whole year.
@@meciociouhuh sure they do. Have you been living under a rock or something?
the rotten tomatoes critic score is a amalgamation of usually 100s of critic scores.
Critics aren't critics anymore; they're shills. The word is the same, the purpose is not.
@@meciocio You do realize the only qualification to be a "critic" is you get paid for it right? It's not like you go to school for this we literally value people as a critic based solely on the fact that they get a check for it.
Or in other words something that would be a disqualifying metric in any other context.
if both scores would have been removed it could have been a technical glitch. But since only the audience score was removed, then sorry, I dont buy the technical glitch excuse. Either way, I dont case because even 14% is way too high for this show
The fact it happened to this specific show and it removed the terrible audience score means it was intentional.
Thats not how glitches work though. Just becuase one went down, doesnt mean the other will. And vice versa.
Best quote I’ve heard in a while, “give a man a mask, and he’ll tell you what he really thinks”.
Film Threat is legit with their reviews. They definitely aren’t sellouts.