woodpecker225 Hi Mike, I fitted the left hand side Flip Fence yesterday and I am so impressed with the ability to cut dead on any required mm length. When I create my designs I rarely find myself having to make a cut that includes a fraction of a mm. I do work to within 0.1 mm when using the planer and can mark up a Domino cut to 0.25 mm thanks to my brilliant Incra Precision T Rule. I think everyone should use a system like this. I am beginning to think that I should have got the next size up but 90% of my cuts are covered with what I have. Peter
Appreciate the look inside the Incra fence. I've been using that fence for years on my Incra 1000 SE miter gauge and didn't know that's how it worked. Thanks!
Peter, great video which I used to help set up my mobile Mitre Station with the Incra Fence and Flip Stop. Once you "calibrate" the stop by cutting the wood block, that is effectively zeroing the stop to the blade. I just moved my tape to the zero position to align with the end of the top of the Flip Stop. That way you don't have to do any math to deduct the length of the block if you set your tape with the end as the length of the block.
Peter, Many thanks for redirecting me from the "How to hide TV cables in a wall" video (Well worth watching). I made a miter station and I have been mulling over for some time how to 'build' a fence and stop system. This is perfect, especially since the Incra is not difficult to remove with those brackets, should that be required. Excellent!
There are other ways to achieve the same thing and with a bit of effort one can make something from simple components - take a look at the Axminster web site. I am not sure what it is called but I am sure that I have seen something there which will do the same thing. My gripe with the Incra is that the scales are in several pieces and tend to move around. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thanks for the follow up Peter, much appreciated. I will take a look. You are correct, in fact I have a simple system in place made from Plywood and it works well but I like the “quick release” the Incra affords and the way you have done it gives an easy method to return it. Itz
Am I understanding correctly that you only get the incremental meshing of the plastic pieces when using the fence in the non-extended position? There are no plastic meshing pieces to ensure the quantization of the extension bar?
Hi Jim, That is correct. So the first 900 mm (a guess) is digital in 1 mm increments (unless you buy the imperial set). Then, the longer measurements are analogue and clearly not quite as accurate. Cheers. Peter
Hello Peter, Wondering what you think of setting up this incra flip fence on a homemade MFT? There is a lot of discussion on the Festool owners group concerning this topic, but there is no consensus. Will this help to insure accurate cuts more than the dogs and track clips using the large parf dogs? Or are parallel guides the way to go? Or both. I am trying to achieve accurate panel cutting for cabinetry. Thank you jm
Hi Joseph, If it repeatable cuts of the same length then the Incra fence would help. If you want the fence to also be used to push your stock against for cutting then there will be an accuracy issue as it will be very difficult to get it square to the dog holes. I am working on a solution to both these areas but a commercial solution is a little way off. Peter
Hi Peter, Thank you for the reply. I think I might have solved the problem between the track clips/dogs to make accurate cuts to reduce panel sizes. I just ordered the woodpecker's parallel guide system after watching some useful review videos. A bit pricey, but so is the TS75 and all of the accoutrements needed to make it part of the system. Pretty tough juggling 3/4" MDF and plywood to cut to size in a small area. Thanks again. jm
Interesting and relatively easy to follow setup, though when I eventually will doing this for myself, I will take my time keeping notes while going over this video several times..
Wade Mattson Hi Wade, It is quite easy really but you are right to do it step by step. Make sure you gate all the extra bits that you might need so you can do it all in one session. I am making a TV cabinet at the moment and did the whole of the cutting out (about 50 pieces of wood of varying sizes) in just under 1 hour. Every piece is exactly the right size. Peter
So, that's what those red plastic pieces are for they sell with the metric conversion kits. Thanks. I plan on converting one day. Slowly converting all tools to dual metric and imperial where possible.
Hi Peter, Is it a different part number for the left and right fences? Or can it be modified so the extending part is on either side of the fixed rail?
Hi Peter, Thanks for all the great videos! I was wondering about using the Incra fence on the left side of the saw also or perhaps putting another one there. Will it work on the left side? And then what happens with the scales? Thanks! -Tom
Thanks Peter for another insightful video. I bought one of these fences but have not yet set it up. It was interesting to see how you customised it. By the way I noticed you using a couple of Incra mitre guage fence mounting brackets. Are those available to purchase separately i.e without the rest of the mitre gauge kit?
Hanzon Yes, they should be available separately depending on your supplier. However, if you have any trouble at all just do what I would have done and use some aluminium angle with some holes drilled in the right place. At some of the woodworking shows you can find all sorts of useful items that might not appear on suppliers' web sites and so it is worth keeping your eyes open. In the first instance - talk to your dealer. Peter
the green man I am wrestling with that right now. Incra suggest that double sided tape could be used but I think that is just to join two lengths of tape not fix it in place. So far I have found that the tape is only vulnerable at the ends and seems to be pretty secure in the inner parts of the fence. I am tempted to put a couple of small spots of glue (not sure what sort yet) that will not obscure the writing but can be encouraged to go just below the aluminium edge. I think a rubbery type that can be cleaned off if needed will be best. Peter
Good Morning Peter can you tell me where you purchased the incra brackets (Miter V120) from as I cannot find them any where regards Kim from Australia.
Hi Peter, thank you for your clarity, but why just don't use the incra track? Which are the differences between the track and the fence, beside the relescopic part?
Thank you yery much for this video, Peter! As I was just about to 'incrafy' my Kapex I found out that I have difficulties in understanding how to use these incremental stops for anything other than getting accurate lengths of non-angled cuts. Assume that I want to cut picture frames using 45 degree miter angles and want to have the dimensions of the final frame to be, say, 20x30cm. As the pivoting point for the blade obviously is behind the fence, the actual length of the long edge of the cut pieces cannot be precisely determined by the incra flip-stop. Even more, as the incra stop behaves digital and the angle-induced length deviation is analog, there might be no way of achieving to cut 20x30cm picture frames using the incra fence alone. If I have to go back to pencil marks that are split in half by the laser line then all that incra stuff is for no practical use except non-angled cuts. Is that true or do I have a misunderstanding here? Richard
Richard Vogel Hi Richard, Technically you are absolutely right and one does have to be a bit creative in order to do angle cuts. I would do a test piece and see what settings you need for a frame close to your desired size. Rather than trying to get the frame size to an exact mm length just accept the frame size as it comes out from a stop position close to the one you want - it may be 201.2 mm by 301.4 for example. But you are still right and you do need to have a strategy. Peter
Funny that Incra is exact only in very special circumstances. I do not understand why they do not implement dual calibration for their stops with 0 degree (as it is right now) and, say, 45 degrees and a turning knob with degree markings where you can quickly set the correct calibration offset for your current angle. When you dial the knob, the stop rod or plate is moving back and forth. This would be a solution to a general problem that incra is great for angles per se and lengths but not both at once! Maybe you suggest it to them and they will call it parf-stop ☺ Thank you anyway for your kind answer, Richard
Hello Peter, thank you for the very helpful video. Very nice piece of kit! May I ask you where you bought those brackets from ? I can't find any online european shop selling those separately.. Thanks in advance!
Hi Peter, another great video well done. Any chance you could list all the parts you bought for the install as I presume they don't all come in one kit? Be good to know, so nothing is missed when ordering to install the same setup. Thanks
Robert Hi Robert, Many thanks - here is the list but I am unable to force a new paragraph so I hope it looks reasonable. The Flip Fence is the smaller one: 18" - 31" The stop is the Flip Shop Stop The Metric conversion kit is the Incremental Rack Pack (10 piece) The support brackets are: PV27-400400 MV120 Fence Mounting Bracket Peter
New Brit Workshop Here is the list again - different formatting The Flip Fence is the smaller one: 18" - 31" The stop is the Flip Shop Stop The Metric conversion kit is the Incremental Rack Pack (10 piece) The support brackets are: PV27-400400 MV120 Fence Mounting Bracket Peter
Thanks very much for this. I'm puzzled though: you say that you used the smaller flip fence but you can cut 1.4m and the scale goes upto 88.4cm (minus 30cm) plus around 10cm for the sliding part which equals about 27inch. So it looks like you used the larger flip fence (27-49inch)?
Orest Mulka The 30 cm is the distance from the saw blade to the start of the Incra fence. So, the fence scale starts at 30 cm at the edge of the fence. If you then re-watch the video from just after the 12 minute point you will see how, using the sliding extension, I end up with 1.4m - I hope that this helps. Peter
New Brit Workshop Thanks Peter, I've done as you suggest. I want to copy your set-up but I still can't see that the 18-31" fence will do. It can only go to 31" (79cm) and if you add 30cm it will still be only 109cm. You can measure 140cm+. I think you must have the 27-49" fence?
Orest Mulka Hi Orest, I am so sorry - you are absolutely right, I do have the 27 - 49. I am now fully metric and did not do the Maths. It took me 5 minutes to find a ruler with inches marked on it. Thank you so much for pointing this out. I have now put a note at the appropriate point in the video. Cheers. Peter
New Brit Workshop Being a copy cat I'm also interested in using a fence on both sides as you have done, but can you advise on the benefit of the extra fence vs cost please?
Orest Mulka Hi Orest, It really does depend on the way that you like to work. I work mainly with the fence that is on the left of the saw (seen from the front) but that is partly because of the way I have placed the Kapex station in the workshop. I may move the Kapex to go along another wall which might then require me to use the fence on the right. I like to hold the piece of wood that I want (after the cut) with my left hand and so that favours the left hand position of the fence. The rest is up to you and your preferred way of doing things. By having a fence on both sides I am keeping my options open. Peter
also, i wonder as a fan of precision, how you are able to resist the allure of adding a cnc router to your tool collection! using v carve pro to inlay and carve seems right up your street.
the green man There will be no CNC for me - first they take up more room than I have available and my pockets are not deep enough. I will be doing more on precision (marking and measuring including squares) next year some time. Peter
Hi Peter, I think I have managed to track down the V120 mitre guage mounting brackets. The part number is PV27-400400 but heaven knows where you get them in the UK - your help would most appreciated. Thank you and best wishes, Paul
Hi Paul we do carry these in stock as a spare part but they are not visible on our website, please feel free to contact us and we can supply then to you. Cheers Peter Sefton
I am so grateful to Orest Mulka who has pointed out that I say that I have the small Flip Fence when in fact I have the 27" - 49" one. I have put a note on the video (at about the 55 second mark) pointing this out. Peter
Great video as always. Easy to follow and understand, now would you´d please buy the entire Incra Router Table System and add a video on it´s setup? :> Joking aside, Incra makes some really great pieces of kit to upgrade your workshop. I´d just wish they´d give the metric system abit more love. I find the entire Inch system terribly cumbersome. Guess I would see it differently if I was born in a country with that system, but from a european point of view it´s just .....
I am American and I prefer metric. You just have to buy a metric tape measure. It is more accurate in my opinion. Let's talk feeler gauges..... .25mm vs thousandths of an inch......................metric all the way.
Hi All, the "Bristol" fastner to which Peter refers can be purchased from Axminster Tools, to name but a few. They are called Bristol Locking Levers. Try www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-locking-levers. Cheers, Paul
Paul Taylor Hi Paul, Many thanks. Yes, I bought all of mine from Axminster and they are very well priced. They also do lots of other nifty bits for jigs and so on. Peter
I appreciate the accuracy of Incra tools.The end product makes the work of setting them up with great accuracy very rewarding.
Hi Ray, Couldn't agree more! Peter
Excellent. The one thing we woodworkers crave for is accuracy and this is pretty impressive! Thanks Peter for sharing it with us, cheers, Mike.
woodpecker225 Hi Mike, I fitted the left hand side Flip Fence yesterday and I am so impressed with the ability to cut dead on any required mm length. When I create my designs I rarely find myself having to make a cut that includes a fraction of a mm. I do work to within 0.1 mm when using the planer and can mark up a Domino cut to 0.25 mm thanks to my brilliant Incra Precision T Rule. I think everyone should use a system like this. I am beginning to think that I should have got the next size up but 90% of my cuts are covered with what I have. Peter
Appreciate the look inside the Incra fence. I've been using that fence for years on my Incra 1000 SE miter gauge and didn't know that's how it worked. Thanks!
Michael Anderson Hi Michael, You are welcome. Cheers. Peter
Peter, great video which I used to help set up my mobile Mitre Station with the Incra Fence and Flip Stop. Once you "calibrate" the stop by cutting the wood block, that is effectively zeroing the stop to the blade. I just moved my tape to the zero position to align with the end of the top of the Flip Stop. That way you don't have to do any math to deduct the length of the block if you set your tape with the end as the length of the block.
Hi John, Many thanks for that. Cheers Peter
Peter, Many thanks for redirecting me from the "How to hide TV cables in a wall" video (Well worth watching). I made a miter station and I have been mulling over for some time how to 'build' a fence and stop system. This is perfect, especially since the Incra is not difficult to remove with those brackets, should that be required. Excellent!
There are other ways to achieve the same thing and with a bit of effort one can make something from simple components - take a look at the Axminster web site. I am not sure what it is called but I am sure that I have seen something there which will do the same thing. My gripe with the Incra is that the scales are in several pieces and tend to move around. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thanks for the follow up Peter, much appreciated. I will take a look. You are correct, in fact I have a simple system in place made from Plywood and it works well but I like the “quick release” the Incra affords and the way you have done it gives an easy method to return it. Itz
As usual a clear and complete demo. Thx for sharing
christian buzio Many thanks Christian. Peter
Am I understanding correctly that you only get the incremental meshing of the plastic pieces when using the fence in the non-extended position? There are no plastic meshing pieces to ensure the quantization of the extension bar?
Hi Jim, That is correct. So the first 900 mm (a guess) is digital in 1 mm increments (unless you buy the imperial set). Then, the longer measurements are analogue and clearly not quite as accurate. Cheers. Peter
Hello Peter,
Wondering what you think of setting up this incra flip fence on a homemade MFT? There is a lot of discussion on the Festool owners group concerning this topic, but there is no consensus. Will this help to insure accurate cuts more than the dogs and track clips using the large parf dogs? Or are parallel guides the way to go? Or both. I am trying to achieve accurate panel cutting for cabinetry.
Thank you
jm
Hi Joseph, If it repeatable cuts of the same length then the Incra fence would help. If you want the fence to also be used to push your stock against for cutting then there will be an accuracy issue as it will be very difficult to get it square to the dog holes. I am working on a solution to both these areas but a commercial solution is a little way off. Peter
Hi Peter, Thank you for the reply. I think I might have solved the problem between the track clips/dogs to make accurate cuts to reduce panel sizes. I just ordered the woodpecker's parallel guide system after watching some useful review videos. A bit pricey, but so is the TS75 and all of the accoutrements needed to make it part of the system. Pretty tough juggling 3/4" MDF and plywood to cut to size in a small area. Thanks again. jm
Interesting and relatively easy to follow setup, though when I eventually will doing this for myself, I will take my time keeping notes while going over this video several times..
Wade Mattson Hi Wade, It is quite easy really but you are right to do it step by step. Make sure you gate all the extra bits that you might need so you can do it all in one session. I am making a TV cabinet at the moment and did the whole of the cutting out (about 50 pieces of wood of varying sizes) in just under 1 hour. Every piece is exactly the right size. Peter
So, that's what those red plastic pieces are for they sell with the metric conversion kits. Thanks. I plan on converting one day. Slowly converting all tools to dual metric and imperial where possible.
Well done. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter,
Is it a different part number for the left and right fences? Or can it be modified so the extending part is on either side of the fixed rail?
Hi Simon, as far as I know they are the same but do check with your dealer when ordering - I did this a long time ago ! Peter
Hi Peter,
Thanks for all the great videos!
I was wondering about using the Incra fence on the left side of the saw also or perhaps putting another one there. Will it work on the left side? And then what happens with the scales?
Thanks!
-Tom
Hi Tom, No problem at all - I have one on both sides. All the sets of scales have left to right and right to left sets in them. Peter
Thanks Peter for another insightful video. I bought one of these fences but have not yet set it up. It was interesting to see how you customised it. By the way I noticed you using a couple of Incra mitre guage fence mounting brackets. Are those available to purchase separately i.e without the rest of the mitre gauge kit?
Hanzon Yes, they should be available separately depending on your supplier. However, if you have any trouble at all just do what I would have done and use some aluminium angle with some holes drilled in the right place. At some of the woodworking shows you can find all sorts of useful items that might not appear on suppliers' web sites and so it is worth keeping your eyes open. In the first instance - talk to your dealer. Peter
peter,what do you use to ensure the tape does not slip and give a false reading?
the green man I am wrestling with that right now. Incra suggest that double sided tape could be used but I think that is just to join two lengths of tape not fix it in place. So far I have found that the tape is only vulnerable at the ends and seems to be pretty secure in the inner parts of the fence. I am tempted to put a couple of small spots of glue (not sure what sort yet) that will not obscure the writing but can be encouraged to go just below the aluminium edge. I think a rubbery type that can be cleaned off if needed will be best. Peter
Good Morning Peter can you tell me where you purchased the incra brackets (Miter V120) from as I cannot find them any where regards Kim from Australia.
Hi Kim, For Incra kit I go to The Woodworkers Workshop here in the UK. Peter
Hi Peter, thank you for your clarity, but why just don't use the incra track? Which are the differences between the track and the fence, beside the relescopic part?
Hi Francesco, That is a good point and well put. Cheers. Peter
Thank you yery much for this video, Peter! As I was just about to 'incrafy' my Kapex I found out that I have difficulties in understanding how to use these incremental stops for anything other than getting accurate lengths of non-angled cuts. Assume that I want to cut picture frames using 45 degree miter angles and want to have the dimensions of the final frame to be, say, 20x30cm. As the pivoting point for the blade obviously is behind the fence, the actual length of the long edge of the cut pieces cannot be precisely determined by the incra flip-stop. Even more, as the incra stop behaves digital and the angle-induced length deviation is analog, there might be no way of achieving to cut 20x30cm picture frames using the incra fence alone. If I have to go back to pencil marks that are split in half by the laser line then all that incra stuff is for no practical use except non-angled cuts. Is that true or do I have a misunderstanding here?
Richard
Richard Vogel Hi Richard, Technically you are absolutely right and one does have to be a bit creative in order to do angle cuts. I would do a test piece and see what settings you need for a frame close to your desired size. Rather than trying to get the frame size to an exact mm length just accept the frame size as it comes out from a stop position close to the one you want - it may be 201.2 mm by 301.4 for example. But you are still right and you do need to have a strategy. Peter
Funny that Incra is exact only in very special circumstances. I do not understand why they do not implement dual calibration for their stops with 0 degree (as it is right now) and, say, 45 degrees and a turning knob with degree markings where you can quickly set the correct calibration offset for your current angle. When you dial the knob, the stop rod or plate is moving back and forth. This would be a solution to a general problem that incra is great for angles per se and lengths but not both at once! Maybe you suggest it to them and they will call it parf-stop ☺ Thank you anyway for your kind answer, Richard
Hello Peter, thank you for the very helpful video. Very nice piece of kit! May I ask you where you bought those brackets from ? I can't find any online european shop selling those separately.. Thanks in advance!
Hi Cedric, The brackets are from Incra. Check with your local supplier or The Woodworkers Workshop if you are in the UK. Peter
Thank you for your answer Peter! There's no local INCRA supplier in Belgium but I'll try getting in touch with the UK ones :)
Excellent explanation as usual peter, and another great video.
Jimmy Joiner
Hi Jimmy, Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, another great video well done. Any chance you could list all the parts you bought for the install as I presume they don't all come in one kit? Be good to know, so nothing is missed when ordering to install the same setup. Thanks
Robert Hi Robert, Many thanks - here is the list but I am unable to force a new paragraph so I hope it looks reasonable. The Flip Fence is the smaller one: 18" - 31" The stop is the Flip Shop Stop The Metric conversion kit is the Incremental Rack Pack (10 piece) The support brackets are: PV27-400400
MV120 Fence Mounting Bracket
Peter
New Brit Workshop Here is the list again - different formatting The Flip Fence is the smaller one: 18" - 31" The stop is the Flip Shop Stop The Metric conversion kit is the Incremental Rack Pack (10 piece) The support brackets are: PV27-400400 MV120 Fence Mounting Bracket Peter
Finally somebody that works in metric units. After all, the world is metric!!
Hi Jo, I converted to metric about 35 years ago and have never regretted it at all. The arithmetic is so much easier. Cheers. Peter
what is the lever/knob you use for the extension? Bristol fitting?
frickmystr It is commonly used on machinery and tools. Try using Google and you will find out more. They are very good. Peter
Thanks very much for this. I'm puzzled though: you say that you used the smaller flip fence but you can cut 1.4m and the scale goes upto 88.4cm (minus 30cm) plus around 10cm for the sliding part which equals about 27inch. So it looks like you used the larger flip fence (27-49inch)?
Orest Mulka The 30 cm is the distance from the saw blade to the start of the Incra fence. So, the fence scale starts at 30 cm at the edge of the fence. If you then re-watch the video from just after the 12 minute point you will see how, using the sliding extension, I end up with 1.4m - I hope that this helps. Peter
New Brit Workshop
Thanks Peter, I've done as you suggest. I want to copy your set-up but I still can't see that the 18-31" fence will do. It can only go to 31" (79cm) and if you add 30cm it will still be only 109cm. You can measure 140cm+. I think you must have the 27-49" fence?
Orest Mulka Hi Orest, I am so sorry - you are absolutely right, I do have the 27 - 49. I am now fully metric and did not do the Maths. It took me 5 minutes to find a ruler with inches marked on it. Thank you so much for pointing this out. I have now put a note at the appropriate point in the video. Cheers. Peter
New Brit Workshop
Being a copy cat I'm also interested in using a fence on both sides as you have done, but can you advise on the benefit of the extra fence vs cost please?
Orest Mulka Hi Orest, It really does depend on the way that you like to work. I work mainly with the fence that is on the left of the saw (seen from the front) but that is partly because of the way I have placed the Kapex station in the workshop. I may move the Kapex to go along another wall which might then require me to use the fence on the right. I like to hold the piece of wood that I want (after the cut) with my left hand and so that favours the left hand position of the fence. The rest is up to you and your preferred way of doing things. By having a fence on both sides I am keeping my options open. Peter
also, i wonder as a fan of precision, how you are able to resist the allure of adding a cnc router to your tool collection!
using v carve pro to inlay and carve seems right up your street.
the green man There will be no CNC for me - first they take up more room than I have available and my pockets are not deep enough. I will be doing more on precision (marking and measuring including squares) next year some time. Peter
Hi Peter, I think I have managed to track down the V120 mitre guage mounting brackets. The part number is PV27-400400 but heaven knows where you get them in the UK - your help would most appreciated. Thank you and best wishes, Paul
Paul Taylor Hi Paul, Try the Woodworkers' Workshop, they may have to order them for you. Tell them that I advised you to go to them. Cheers. Peter
Hi Paul we do carry these in stock as a spare part but they are not visible on our website, please feel free to contact us and we can supply then to you. Cheers Peter Sefton
I am so grateful to Orest Mulka who has pointed out that I say that I have the small Flip Fence when in fact I have the 27" - 49" one. I have put a note on the video (at about the 55 second mark) pointing this out. Peter
Is it possible to purchase just the fence without the miter scale and locking handle?
David M I believe it must be - check with your dealer. Peter
Great video as always. Easy to follow and understand, now would you´d please buy the entire Incra Router Table System and add a video on it´s setup? :>
Joking aside, Incra makes some really great pieces of kit to upgrade your workshop. I´d just wish they´d give the metric system abit more love. I find the entire Inch system terribly cumbersome. Guess I would see it differently if I was born in a country with that system, but from a european point of view it´s just .....
Shin rah I am glad that I went metric about 35 years ago. The maths of woodwork is so much easier and I make fewer mistakes. Peter
I am American and I prefer metric. You just have to buy a metric tape measure. It is more accurate in my opinion.
Let's talk feeler gauges..... .25mm vs thousandths of an inch......................metric all the way.
The flip stop also fits onto the CMS router table fence.
mouppe I will try it today - many thanks. Peter
excellent review thanks
dbuilderboy Many thanks. It is a super bit of kit and I can now cut the exact size I want in 1 mm increments up to just under 1400 mm. Peter
Hi All, the "Bristol" fastner to which Peter refers can be purchased from Axminster Tools, to name but a few. They are called Bristol Locking Levers. Try www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-locking-levers. Cheers, Paul
Paul Taylor Hi Paul, Many thanks. Yes, I bought all of mine from Axminster and they are very well priced. They also do lots of other nifty bits for jigs and so on. Peter