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Made my own mobile bases. Just get the wheels from AMZ and used angle iron and welded them up. Also have some made of wood for my small equipment like table saw and mitersaw
FYI Incra makes a set of screws that have handles on it for the 1000SE and I replaced them years ago. NO complaints now and it is BY FAR the best miter gage I have ever used and is SUPER accurate. I am 73 and have had a cabinet shop hobby for 50yrs now and this is a massive improvement and there is a ton of accrssories for this gage.
I use the Incra 1000 and love it. A bit cumbersome at first for the reasons you stated. After some use it became quite easy to set. Also have the V27 and switch between the two. The 1000 is incredibly accurate for repeat cuts. I keep an L shaped allen wrench in one of the heads on top, so it's always there.Your opinions are valid and well presented.
How the heck did I manage to build everything from cabinets, bookshelves and furniture to garages, patios and houses for over fifty years, without investing insane amounts of money in super-accurate measuring and marking tools? It's almost enough to make a person wonder if machine shop-style precision is really necessary or even helpful, when working in wood....
It isn’t necessary to have all the power tools and expensive tools. Japan has houses make just with wood and saws . However they take a lot longer. High powered tools just make the process go faster with an increased population.
I bought the Bora PM-3550 mobile base. I wanted one in which all 4 wheels pivoted. It has a 1500 lb capacity. I use mine for an old 900 lb bandsaw. It works great. I built a 2.25" thick wooden platform inside the base for the saw to rest on. The Bora is kind of expensive at $232, but it's worth it to me to eliminate the headaches of the cheaper ones. Having 4 pivoting wheels is key to being able to navigate the base to exactly where you want it located.
Incra Miter 1000SE, fantastic device, had mine twenty years, set it only twice, as I dropped it once and knocked it off a bit. Mine is ultra-reliable, super accurate versatile and bombproof. My only complaint is the sharp edges on the extruded parts could have been tumbled or de-burred.
Good video, Matt. Appreciated the way you qualified your opinions. Not everybody’s use case is the same, so the same tool can perform differently for each of us. But you provided good information to make an informed purchase decision. Love the content.
I think if you're building say, a nuclear submarine , Woodpecker's tools make sense.But there is just no universe that justifies their prices. People made beautiful furniture before they came along and beautiful furniture can still be made without them. Frankly I find their pricing a source of humor.
Woodpecker tools aren't made for people who need to make things precisely. They are for people who want a luxuriously visual and tactile tool to use. And also brand recognition.
This couldn’t be more true. There is a reason super high end machinist tools don’t come in a soothing red color. If you have the money, Woodpeckers does make nice capenter’s squares, but for everything else I think Starrett provides a superior product for those purely interested in extreme accuracy.
I bought the Grizzly mobile carts for everything in my shop (bandsaw, 10" tablesaw, 8" jointer ect) and I've been very happy with them. They are rock solid and pretty easy to get set up, even by myself. They are still going strong even though I bought the first one about 7 years ago. I highly recommend their stuff.
I bought several Grizzly mobiles bases and have been extremely disappointed! The do not roll smoothly, especially when pushing, I think because the wheels are undersized. Also, due to the size of the wheels, they catch and get caught up on the various cracks in the cement, that are in the floor of my workshop. Waste of money and very frustrating to try to use. I replaced them all with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base. I am so happy I did! I even use one, with extra extensions, for my twine Unisaw setup, and it still rolls flawlessly. The only drawback I have found with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base is when changing the blade on my Grizzly G0513ANV 17" bandsaw. The wheels, unfortunately, partially block the lower bandsaw blade door from opening all the way. It is a compromise as I can roll my Grizzly 17" bandsaw easily anywhere I want. I also have one for my Grizzly G0634xp (a tool I highly regret buying) my 1959 1HP Unisaw and 1983 3 HP Unisaw twin setup, my 1948 Dewalt MBC Radial Arm saw and my Kitagawa drill press on a stand. I have been extremely happy with them. They really do work well off the pavement. For several years I had the Dewalt RAS in a shipping container at the Back to Natives Nursery, a nonprofit charity I worked for. And would pull it out to build projects in various locales at the Nursery, which was not paved. No problem on sand or gravel. And smooth on Cement. Rockler even sent replacement bolts for the adjustment side bars, when I was building the extensions for the twin Unisaw setup!
Absolutely, but get metal ones, or make some. The plastic stuff strips. For some reason manufacturers put plastic lever nuts on circ saws and they strip out on every one, requiring you to find a way to lock your saws depth setting. It really sucks in the middle of a work day to have to stop and fix a tool.
There is only one bolt that needs a tool on that fence to extend it. This guy did every wrong that could possibly be done wrong. His idiocy is discouraging people from buying one of the best miter gauge systems on the market.
I have had the JDS Accumiter miter gauge, the predecessor to the Jessem version for over 25 years now. Absolutely love it. It is heavy, but repeatably locks rock solid and is very easy to adjust. As it was the first of its kind, it didn't come with the miter bar, so I measured my saw slot and dug around in the selection of bars until I found one that accurately fit my saw - no adjustment needed, My favorite mobile base is the Rockler All- Terrain base. It has larger wheels than most mobile bases and rides very smoothly. It is used on my 500+ lb Grizzley jointer and you move it with one finger. Set the locks and it is stable. Love it.
You may want to revisit the instructions for the Incra 1000. The fence extension doesn't work like you showed. Also, if you need an odd angle that is immediately repeatable, nothing is better. You can go back to any angle or length with no guessing no matter how many times you've moved the fence. Granted, most don't do work that fine or exacting, but for repairing handmade antiques it's perfect. Or remaking a piece you messed up doing angled, double dovetails.
@@donhill1825 Like most precision tools, it's tedious until you're used to it. Incra has some old videos that do a decent job of explaining how their tools work. The extension ruler should slide out shortest to longest measure and reference to the edge of the main fence.
@@donhill1825 the part that he does wrong is he removed the two bolts to slide the extension out when he should have just removed the one bolt that attached to the main body. And I have a magnet on the bottom of the saw stop rail and that's where I keep my hex key dedicated to the Incra 1000. How often do you need to cut long pieces that the extension will need to be readjusted again and again? I love mine and use it on every project. He just need to learn how to use it properly lol...
@@Madebyduc Well, he could learn the complicated tool, or he could find a simpler one that meets his needs. Same with any tool, whether it's a kitchen appliance, a vehicle, lawn care tools. Some folks do work that requires special capabilities from our tools, others just need the basics.
@@Kurgosh1 who buys an expensive tool only to find out he doesn't read the manual to find how it works...? and no, it's not like with any tools or vehicle. You buy a car and don't know how to drive? That's just plain lazy to be honest... he just lose credibility by doing "reviews" like this b/c it's going to convince others to not purchased it when he haven't done his due diligent and test it out/learn how to use it properly first
@@Madebyduc lol, he wasn't doing a review he was explaining why "he" doesn't like it. What you need to do with a tool and how it was designed don't always work together. He doesn't like it an he explained why. YMMV
I have a Incra 1000SE in fact I have two incra miter gauges. I think you're using the 1000se incorrectly. Yes, it could be a bit cumbersome to move the shop stop but with the SE I set one stop on the fence extension and the other on the main fence. ***side note*** I'm using the SE on my Incra Miter Express. If I need to create a stop I usually will ONLY loosen the single screw on the main fence to slide the extension in or out. Maybe it's just not for you but, I find them to be very nice for my workflow. I can't disagree with you on the clunkiness of moving the stop though, Best of luck 👍
I agree that he is not using it correctly. I don't know why all the screws on the top were loosened to move it. The screws on the top of the stop are normally not used unless extreme accuracy of less than 1/64" is required and that is not usually the case in woodworking.
I also use an Incra 1000se, nothjng else compares, it's my go to mitre gauge and consistent length cross cut tool. Great and safe for cutting tapers too.
Bora's base works well. It uses four corner fixtures with wheels and a sheet of plywood (not supplied). I have found these and similar bases to be quite functional.
I love my Incra miter gauge, and I believe you are not using correctly. For instance, the stop block setting does not require the screw driver at all... and the extension of the fence is only one screw away... no two. Nice to see that we are all different, and have different experiences... to each their own, I guess.
agreed, i have the unit and it is the 3/16 allen on the right that is loosened for the extension. once you have done the initial set up/calibration for extension bar, you don't need to touch it again. just loosen the bolt, pull it out and read the scale and tighten it up. the stop block is simply the two white twist knobs. i like the tiny indents or teeth that they lock into which means it won't move as you tighten it. i don't use this everyday or that often, but it is a good go to when needed like a lot of tools are
I agree 100%! Mine has been great and I don't even use a crosscut sled anymore because it's just more of a pain to get out and my Incra is so accurate.
I agree with the others. I love my Incra miter gauge. It’s one of the best purchases I ever made for my table saw. Maybe a close second to my Microjig Grripper pushblock.
You don’t need the Allen wrenches to adjust the stop block, I always get great results with the knobs only. I admit that’s not the greatest process, but for all of the other benefits it’s a trade-off I’m OK with
Exactly. I'm not sure if he didn't read the instructions or just went with his gut but he is using the whole thing wrong and making it way more complicated than it really is. The 2 screws on top are specifically for the micro adjustment. You only need to do the thumb screws to move the stop block itself. Plus the 2 screws he used to move the fence extension were not the right ones. Those 2 screws only hold the extension fence onto the end of the slider bar. Its the third screw in that you loosen to allow the slider bar to move the extension out. When tightened, it holds that extension bar in place either extended out or slid in tight. The only real issue that could make the whole thing easier to use, is that the microadjuster does need that hex key to loosen those 2 bolts on top. I don't often use the microadjust but when I do use it, I just loosen them both to start with but only tighten one down to make adjustments. Once I'm done with the microadjust altogether, then I tighten them both down.
It looks like he included the 1000SE in the list mainly so he could feature it in the thumbnail for the video and attract more views. In other words, it’s clickbait. As you point out, he uses both the flip stop and the fence extension completely incorrectly, so that they seem complicated when they’re not. He admits up front that including the 1000SE is controversial; if he had a valid criticism, he’d have done a better job explaining it.
Probably it's just because I'm a lot older than you and have been dealing with problems a lot longer, but I could solve a bunch of those problems you're having. Mostly it goes to show that expensive isn't always best. Great video, thanks.
BORA bases are GREAT! Very happy with mine. Just make sure to get the right one for your use, both as far as weight, size and if it’s 2 wheel or 4 wheel (I believe they offer 2 or 4 wheel flip options for all models, but at least for some). I did not want the 2 wheel flip for my table or mitre saws since I did not want to risk pushing some lumber and the tool rolling. But it would not matter on something like a band saw since it’s heavy and you don’t push on the wood much. They also offer extender struts to lengthen the side(s) if needed which I had to do for my rectangular shaped Evolution mitre saw (also a super tool BTW).
Shop Fox (Grizzly) makes a really nice mobile base for heavy "stationary" tools. I have my 14 inch Jet band saw on one, and my Reliant 6 inch jointer on another. I have zero issues with them buckling like your Wen did, and they shipped with all parts needed. In fact, I had a few nuts, bolts, and washers left over. I am constantly moving both of these tools around either for use, or because I need the space to do something else, and I have NEVER had any issues with them.
I heartily disagree with your review of the INCRA mitre SE…it’s a great mitre gauge… most other woodworkers agree. It is extremely accurate and easy to use.
Fumbling around trying to make it appear that a tool is poorly designed or not usefully is only a reflection on you not the functionality off the tool.
I have Grizzly Bear Crawl bases under all my tools, including my 800lb 20" helical planer. They are ridiculously solid and easy to move. Changing direction is always a little wonky on any movable base since the wheels have to swing around in the new direction.
If it is a good base, it will not be wonky if changing directions. I had and then trashed or gave away all of my grizzly bases. They wouldnt change directions easily and would catch on every little crack in my workshop floor. Final straw is when I almost tipped over my G0513ANV 17" bandsaw! The only thing that saved it from going over, from the crazy wonkiness of the miniscule tiny wheels on the grizzly base, was my huge rack of wood stuffs. It was just luck that the bandsaw didn't smack the ground! Everyone I know with a concrete floor has cracks in it. And the tiny wheels of the grizzly base were never designed to roll over cracks in concrete, period. They are too small. And the bearings in the hinge points do not allow for the wheels to change direction smoothly and tend to become tippy, very easily. I could not roll the G634XP jointer/planer at all! Completely immobile with the so-called mobile base by grizzly.
Regarding the Incra, I find that using the stop and extension with an Allen wrench acceptable. When I lock it down I know it is rock solid and repeatability is assured. I do agree that what works for me might not work for others as you expressed. I find that what works for me is the Incra 1000 SE. Thank you for your excellent channel, I am a subscriber and enjoy your content and presentation. Lets just say I agree to disagree on personal preference rather than a flawed tool. Cheers!
I think on the 1000 se is you need to learn how to use more. I make a lot if mutton and you sneak up on it. Add a good sacrifice fence flip this stops and none netter if you need precise minute adjustments. Loosen plastic thumb screws push in and macro adjustment a snap. Use the driver and you can micro adjust down for perfect fit. I have rare earth magnet on side of fence and it stays out of way. If you don't require that precision it is overkill. I make panels and the 5000 is great as well. That one would drive you insane. Cheers.
I have a huge issue with my woodpecker rules from a durability standpoint. Let me say I love using them and I reach for them every day but for the price I would never recommend them to someone else because they are not a lifetime tool. I had one fall off my workbench and the cheap material it was made out of immediately dented right on the corner. Their warranty of course doesn't cover dropped tools which I understand but it would be nice to see them stand behind their product more as the customer service response was too bad so sad.
I agree. I love my Woodpecker rules, I have the Paolini Pocket rule set. the PRECISION WOODWORKING T-SQUARES set. and the Woodworking Rules set and even the Mini Square, and I have dropped at least one of each set. Concrete is unforgiving I get that. But one drop ruins any precision for their aluminum precision layout tools. Because I am so afraid of ruining any more of my Red Stash, I just reach for vintage Stanley steel combo square. If I need something smaller, I grab the 4" iGauging double square. Sadly, my Woodpecker tools look great on the wall, but only randomly see service in my workshop. I wish I had the green cash, sometimes, instead of the red wall art. I do love the T-squares though. I do put those to work when building cabinets. But the Woodworking rules only come out to measure cut-off lengths to setup stop-blocks for my radial arm saw. The Paolini's get dropped almost every time I take them from the rack they came with. So I hardly ever take them down. Sigh.
I build my own mobile bases out of plywood using dual locking casters. This way I can control the table height (I try to make all my tools have a 36" table height so I can use any work surface I have as an infeed or outfeed table), and give the base a little extra width to ensure extra stability. I think some folks think casters would make the tool move when using it, but I usually only lock one, or two at the most of the wheels to have a perfectly stable base.
I bought the 99 dollar Rockler set which require you make the rails out of 2x2s but it works great. They are rated for 600 pounds. I’ve had 800 pounds on on them with zero issues.
I have the Woodpecker blast gates...THEY ARE WONDERFUL. I've tried many blast gates over the year, they all leak except these Woodpecker gates. Also, I can cut down the air flow from my Dewalt 735 planner. Between the planners blower and my 2HP dust collector, they would blow the dust bag off the collector. The Woodpecker blast gates solve that problem.
I have the WEN mobile base, and I can verify the buckling. I have a maybe 60lb cabinet on it, and it buckled overnight. I thought it was something I did wrong, but I’m glad to know that’s not the case lol.
I have the Incra 1000HD love it my tool is in a holder at the end of table. I don’t adjust it that frequently for using the wrench to make a difference.
I just bought and downloaded the instructions. Very nice job putting them together. I've been wanting to build a crosscut sled, but have not found one that I like. This one is a clear winner. Especially the Safer Cross Cut Sled. I'll be building it this coming weekend, and this will replace my need to use my compound miter saw for most of my cuts. While my CMS is a solid tool, Bosch, I don't find I need to make compound cuts that much. In fact, I am kicking myself for selling my Delta/Rockwell Radial Arm Saw. It was perfect for working with larger material, and you didn't have to worry about making changes. I know a ton of woodworkers consider the RAS to be unsafe. That was not my experience. With any power tool, you must be vigilant and careful what you do with it. I'm back to looking for a RAS so I can sell my Bosch CMS.
I have the Rockler All-Terrain Mobile Base which is GREAT!! I had other mobile bases under my table saw, but this one is the best with the larger 5" wheels, it rolls very easily . . . I recommend it!
I have three. Under cabinet table saw, 14" bandsaw and planer/joiner combo. The table saw and planer/joiner are around 600# each and moving them is a breeze. Love the 5" polyurethane wheels. My vote.
As for mobile bases, I built my own out of 2 layers of 3/4" ply, some 2 x 2 around the edge to hold the legs on and small rollers rated to carry the weight. At this point I have my band saw, thickness planer, benchtop drill press and benchtop jointer on these bases. It's been a couple years and nothing has failed. Easy to move and 2 wheels per base have locking mechanisms so they stay where set. But that's just me.
I have the same Incra fence and couldn't agree with you more Matt, the tool for making adjustments is always missing when I need it and ive wasted a lot of time trying to find it, one time it hit the floor and rolled under my toolbox and it was a week before I found it!! For the price its a well built accurate tool but not having tool free adjustments is definitely it's biggest failing, thanks for another great video Matt, love what you do for the community!
I've had numerous Incra products, never had a problem with any, and they all work very well and as designed. Mobile bases, especially "adjustable bases" are generally made with steel that is not of sufficient gauge and strength. They flex. The weak point is where the "adjustment" bolts hold the segments together. After I saw that I built my own using 3 x 3 x X oak, lag bolts, and Gorilla glue. For heavy machines like 900 a pound jointer I may double/laminate the wood then use commercial casters that hold 400 - 500lbs. each. (Don't be so stupid as to buy cheap casters or those that each carry exactly 1/4 of the capacity you need.) Nothing flexes and they roll fine. If I had to do it again I would set a jointer and planer directly on a wood base/mat without casters, level them, and leave them there. I moved my jointer once to a better spot with an engine puller crain. I never moved it again. Kreg gauge blocks are not cheap or free. Years ago I made a mutlple height gauge block from a single piece of maple. Set the various heights accurately on scrap once, make the slots in your block, and off you go.
You’re using the incra wrong. You shouldn’t have to loosen the bolts on top to move the stop. Only the white knobs. Those bolts are for initial setup. Also, for the fence extension, you only need to loosen the single screw and not the two screws on the extension part. I too was frustrated when I started using it only to find out I was using it wrong once I read the instructions. Maybe check out the instructions and have another go at it and maybe you’ll like it. Its ok to have opinions on not liking a particular tool but I think if it isn’t being used properly that may be why some may dislike it. Its a very accurate and handy gauge to use and cuts to precise measurements!
Good grief, read the instructions before comment on why you don/t like it. You obviously do not understand how this jig works as you made several major errors in trying to explain how it works. This is a great jig and the on with the sliding support table is even better in my opinion.
Matt I just found your You Tube videos and I have learned a lot about woodworking from you.There is always something to learn from watching You Tube videos and yours is one of the best. As far as this video portion on mobile bases I have a Grizzly 1023 table saw and a Rikon 17" band saw both on the Grizzly mobile base for over 10 years and have absolutely no issues at all.
Hey man just wanted to say thanks, picked up a new jobsite saw and the Incra V27 today (both on sale!), starting a (very) small weekend warrior level shop out of the garage, and your videos have been super helpful so far. You just got a new subscriber, cheers!
Great review, Matt! My two cents about the mobile base, I don't recommend the Bora mobile base. I got one for my new Jet bandsaw. It's okay, it didn't collapse like the one in your shop and when you engage the wheels it rolls okay. But when you lock it down it's very spongy and causes the saw to wobble a lot. Let us know if you find a better one.
For a mobile base for your Rikon (I have the same model) I’d say build your own. I purchased the mobile base kit when I purchased the saw. It’s made by Rikon (I think) and advertised to fit into the base cabinet. Spendy little guy it is. However it comes with 3 wheels, 2 in back one in front center. Rolls well in a straight line but watch out for the cement joints as front wheel gets stuck in them and talk about wobbly. Don’t turn it to quickly as it wants to lean and threatens to fall over. Someday when I get a little extra time I’m going build a mobile base that incorporates 4 wheels and fits the cabinet base. If I get this done this summer I’ll send you my design and pictures. There’s got to be something better. Enjoy your channel and your message.
Refreshing to see someone not afraid to call out issues or just bad tools by some of the big name companies! I think most of the time, they are making great tools, but there are some that I look at and wonder why they did that! Great job Matt!
I had a Rockwell mill on the Bora base. No problem moving around. Put a 16" DoAll band saw on it now and need to shim up with some blocks since the saw sits too far down and the door doesn't work. But most of the time having the item sit lower is better.
The Grizzly mobile bases are fantastic for the price! Beefy and glide across the floor very smoothly. Have had one for a few months now on my table saw and love it!
I own several Grizzly, Jet and, believe it or not, Harbor Freight heavy duty mobile bases and they all work great. I will admit that I use the Harbor Freight heavy duty mobile base on the lightest piece of equipment I have which is a very old Delta table saw with base and extended wings. it weighs in at around 500 pounds. You have to provide the 2x2 wood to use for the rails.
I made my own mobile bases for my band saw and my drill press. The band saw base is made of 2x4s and 3/4" plywood and a caster kit. My benchtop drill press base is a cabinet made of 3/4" plywood that rolls around on a Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit model PM-1100. My table saw is on a Shop Fox mobile base kit. My only complaint with it is that the wheels fall apart and the Steelex hard rubber replacement wheels fell apart eventually as well. I ended up replacing them with red polyurethane wheels. So far, so good, but what a PITA.
I don’t have that same model of incra miter gauge. Curious if you are adjusting the black screws everytime? On my model the similar black screws (mine are knobs) are only to set the block to the tape measure. The white knobs are easily undone to move the block with no tools.
Yeah, I made a mistake on that part. You set the measurement with the black screws. Then use the thumbscrews to move the stop block, but it's still doesn't move easily and is a little cumbersome to use.
Great video I see your points on each one of those tools. I like that you weren’t down on the brand you were just down on their particular tool. I have been involved in making tools in the machine industry and sometimes the tools I make just don’t work very well. I throw them out and I start over. Even the best companies come up with a dud every once in a while
Shop Fox mobile bases are cheap, and super tough. I have a 1200lb shaper with a 200lb feeder on one. Moves relatively easily and has help up over several years of heavy use in a professional shop . Guessing I’ve had around a dozen or more over the years and have never had an issue. Shop Fox isn’t exactly known for quality, but their mobile bases are well worth the price.
Seen the video Agree on blast gates, I have two. On the mobile base. I use the Rockler all terrain mobile base #42365. I have a powermatic 15HH planer & 54HH jointer on mine. The one thing i didn’t like is the hardware supplied. Threw it out, went to hardware store bought my own nuts and bolts. Drilled all parts to new size, and added one more hole on each side for the rails. 16 nuts and bolts instead of only 8 puny ones. My tools glide across my garage floor
The 14" bandsaw in my shop came with a similar mobile base to yours. It had the same problem. After taking it apart and cleaning the mating surfaces I reassembled it and made sure the bolts and nuts were TIGHT. Zero issues after more than 2 years. If the bolts break when tightening them, use grade 8 bolts. Tractor Supply has them at a great price. Get the grade 8 nuts and washers at the same time. The Jessum height gauge is a fail to me as well. The notches align everything parallel but that induces a second problem, common with all of the setup tools including the nice ones like the Kreg. Since commercially produced lumber in the US may or may not be precisely 3/4" thick and virtually no plywood is any precise measurement, fixed Imperial units devices are becoming more and more useless. Even so-called metric dimensioned plywood is not usually a whole number of millimeters thick. Ply sold as 3/4" is often .688" which is a little more than 17mm and 18mm ply is almost never 18mm/0.708" thick. Unfortunately (I prefer dial indicators as they don't ever have dead batteries) the digital height gauges with adequately sized bases are few and far between but seem to be the best option with the ever changing sizes of sheet goods. The Woodpecker corner rule is one of the best tools in my shop.
Thanks you so much for saying the defect of the incra: I wanted to buy one and I had not understood the need to unscrew to extend the fence. So for the price it's not possible. thanks
Almost my entire shop is on a Bora mobile base it’s awesome Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit PM-1100. My workbench is on the bora workbench casters and I have no problem moving it. The only problem I have had is if the base gets super big, with alot of weight the 3/4” plywood I used will bow. Then it will drag but this can be fixed by adding a brace of 2x across it to beef it up.
P.S. he's not buying all his tools. Edit: That's not a slam. If I got great free tools, it'd free up money I could buy "better" stuff with. Again, not a slam on him. I love his videos. I love his heart.
I think you need to learn to use the incra miter gauge properly to truly appreciate it. The more you use it, the more you'll understand and see that is why it is so accurate.
Love the honesty. I have the Borla base which I supplanted with 3/4" plywood no flex for Ryobi band saw. I was ready to add side skirts for added rigidity if needed.
I use a sliding combination square instead of setup blocks, if need be drill bits are another option saving me 20-60 bucks. I ended up going with the incra v27 instead of one with a for flexibility of different things but I find a sled to be the best choice.
JLR Workshop-- Matt, I use the Grizzly Bear Crawl Jr on my 300+ pound table saw. Its rated for almost 600. Plan on transferring to a cabinet saw when I get one. Rolls nice and is sturdy.
Rikon has their own "Mobility kit" that bolts right up to their bases without the need for the extra bars around the perimeter. I haven't used it personally, but that's the one I would get if I had a Rikon bandsaw.
I have a Grizzly mobile base under my band saw. Have been using it over 7 years and have never had a problem with it. Was easy to assemble and remains rock solid.
This is my miter gauge w/fence solution - Incra Miter V120 (Rockler #26537) with the Rockler Miter Gauge Fence (Rockler #61967). Super accureate with 1 degree increments and the Rockler fence is easy to adjust. The pair wil set you back $160, but well worth it in my opinion.
I use Harvey's mobile base. It's basically the four corners where the wheels etc are and you provide a piece of plywood anywhere from 3/4" to 1-1/2" thick. I used to 1/2" pieces that I laminated together to make a 1" ply for my 300 lb. bandsaw. Works great.
Hate to say it but I've been using the Rockler mobile bases for years. These are the ones that come without side rails and you provide wooden rails cut to size. Rockler specifies hardwood but I've ripped 2x4s and have had no issues with even the heaviest tools (8" jointer, 15" planer, 14" bandsaw).
Some of my tools have custom mobile bases, I hadn’t moved them in several years (partially due to illness) very high quality urethane wheels the tires came off or shredded, unless you move your heavy tools often stay away from these wheels. I’m replacing them with a hard rubber or hard plastic. The HTC bases were quite good 15 - 20 years ago don’t know now they were modified for my lathe using perforated angle or heavy duty shelving uprights and bolting the bases to the machines.
I have the BORA base that just comes with the wheel/corner pieces and you supply a custom cut piece of plywood to connect them based on the footprint of your machine. Use it for my 240 lbs. jointer and it's great. Got a piece of 1/2 inch steel square tube and connected the two pedals to easily raise/lower it with one motion and no racking.
I concur also on the Rockler extreme duty base. However, after purchasing one, I discovered that the extension kits just won’t extend far enough to accommodate my Delta Unisaw and it’s extension wing. I need 60” to handle both the main cabinet and the support leg of the extension. Bora is supposed to make something that will get ‘er done. The drill press is going on top the Rockler.
The Incra miter gauge with the aluminum fence is a pain. I took the fence off and made a wooden one. Then I have a way to run both sides of the board through the blade. The Incra is very accurate but the fence and the stop are a pain. I added a t-track on the top of the fence and that is my stop method with an L bracket.
Regarding bandsaw mobile bases: my 14Bx came with a horrible 3 wheel system that was a PAIN to use. I couldn’t find a 4 x360° wheel system… so I actually just put on 4 360° locking casters from Rockler. The thing moves like a dream. I highly recommend.
Harvey actually makes a sturdy module base that uses 3/4” BB as the substrate (you supply the plywood). I have it on my Harvey Alpha table saw and it works beautifully
Jason, Same here and it rolls super smooth. I doubled up the plywood to max the thickness at 1.5 inches as I added weight with the cast iron extension both left and right. Just ordered one to use on my Laguana 14" Bandsaw too.
I'm binging on "Tools I wish I hadn't bought" on RUclips. I laughed when I saw you recommend the Kreg setup blocks, Those made it on another site's "Don't bother with" list.
If Benchmark made a hook rule I would by it but I really do like the hook rule and the ability to hold it to an end of a board. I have a vintage one that I use all of the time. I have the incra and completely agree the setup is quirky and I do not like looking for the screwdriver they ship it with.
I use a bora mobile base for my workbench. I had to but extenders to get it to cover the 56” x 30” base and they too sagged and dragged on the floor. I’ve adjusted them a couple times. My workbench weighs around 300 lbs
The best mobile base I've found is the Bora PM3550. I have several of the PM3500s. The local Woodcraft was blowing them out for $50 so I bought everything they had. While the PM3500s are really good (you're not going to break them with that little bandsaw) they only have two swivel casters. The PPM3550 is the same base with four swivel casters, a BIG improvement.
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Made my own mobile bases. Just get the wheels from AMZ and used angle iron and welded them up. Also have some made of wood for my small equipment like table saw and mitersaw
Bear crawl from Grizzly is a good option. I have this for my cabinet saw and have no issues.
FYI Incra makes a set of screws that have handles on it for the 1000SE and I replaced them years ago. NO complaints now and it is BY FAR the best miter gage I have ever used and is SUPER accurate. I am 73 and have had a cabinet shop hobby for 50yrs now and this is a massive improvement and there is a ton of accrssories for this gage.
It would be really nice if they included the screws and handles you mentioned, with the miter gauge without having to spend a few extra bucks.
I really like my Incra fence. When you adjust the stop block, just push with your thumbs to get it to clear the 32-tpi alignment strip.
I use the Incra 1000 and love it. A bit cumbersome at first for the reasons you stated. After some use it became quite easy to set. Also have the V27 and switch between the two. The 1000 is incredibly accurate for repeat cuts. I keep an L shaped allen wrench in one of the heads on top, so it's always there.Your opinions are valid and well presented.
The incra 1000 hd was actually cheaper than the se price when i bought mine. I like the price and the product
How the heck did I manage to build everything from cabinets, bookshelves and furniture to garages, patios and houses for over fifty years, without investing insane amounts of money in super-accurate measuring and marking tools? It's almost enough to make a person wonder if machine shop-style precision is really necessary or even helpful, when working in wood....
It isn’t necessary to have all the power tools and expensive tools. Japan has houses make just with wood and saws . However they take a lot longer. High powered tools just make the process go faster with an increased population.
I bought the Bora PM-3550 mobile base. I wanted one in which all 4 wheels pivoted. It has a 1500 lb capacity. I use mine for an old 900 lb bandsaw. It works great. I built a 2.25" thick wooden platform inside the base for the saw to rest on. The Bora is kind of expensive at $232, but it's worth it to me to eliminate the headaches of the cheaper ones. Having 4 pivoting wheels is key to being able to navigate the base to exactly where you want it located.
I have what must be a cheaper version of the Bora base for the same Rikon saw. Two wheels pivot. It works well. Looks kinda like that Jet base.
@@willameredith I mounted a Bora base (3/4" ply) under my Euro style 14" Delta band saw. dual pivot. Love it.
I have the Incra 1000SE miter gauge and use it all the time.
Incra Miter 1000SE, fantastic device, had mine twenty years, set it only twice, as I dropped it once and knocked it off a bit.
Mine is ultra-reliable, super accurate versatile and bombproof.
My only complaint is the sharp edges on the extruded parts could have been tumbled or de-burred.
Good video, Matt. Appreciated the way you qualified your opinions. Not everybody’s use case is the same, so the same tool can perform differently for each of us. But you provided good information to make an informed purchase decision. Love the content.
He literally did everything wrong when trying to adjust the incra miter gauge. He is an idiot!
I think if you're building say, a nuclear submarine , Woodpecker's tools make sense.But there is just no universe that justifies their prices. People made beautiful furniture before they came along and beautiful furniture can still be made without them. Frankly I find their pricing a source of humor.
Woodpecker tools aren't made for people who need to make things precisely. They are for people who want a luxuriously visual and tactile tool to use. And also brand recognition.
This couldn’t be more true. There is a reason super high end machinist tools don’t come in a soothing red color.
If you have the money, Woodpeckers does make nice capenter’s squares, but for everything else I think Starrett provides a superior product for those purely interested in extreme accuracy.
They’d be a hell of a lot cheaper if they didn’t give every jackass with a tablesaw and a RUclips channel an entire wall of tools.
@@MMWoodworking I have Starrett gauges dating back to the early 40's in my shop that I use daily. Simple and right on helpers.
They are ridiculously priced and I’ve never bought one…yet
I bought the Grizzly mobile carts for everything in my shop (bandsaw, 10" tablesaw, 8" jointer ect) and I've been very happy with them. They are rock solid and pretty easy to get set up, even by myself. They are still going strong even though I bought the first one about 7 years ago. I highly recommend their stuff.
I bought several Grizzly mobiles bases and have been extremely disappointed! The do not roll smoothly, especially when pushing, I think because the wheels are undersized. Also, due to the size of the wheels, they catch and get caught up on the various cracks in the cement, that are in the floor of my workshop. Waste of money and very frustrating to try to use. I replaced them all with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base. I am so happy I did! I even use one, with extra extensions, for my twine Unisaw setup, and it still rolls flawlessly. The only drawback I have found with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base is when changing the blade on my Grizzly G0513ANV 17" bandsaw. The wheels, unfortunately, partially block the lower bandsaw blade door from opening all the way. It is a compromise as I can roll my Grizzly 17" bandsaw easily anywhere I want. I also have one for my Grizzly G0634xp (a tool I highly regret buying) my 1959 1HP Unisaw and 1983 3 HP Unisaw twin setup, my 1948 Dewalt MBC Radial Arm saw and my Kitagawa drill press on a stand. I have been extremely happy with them. They really do work well off the pavement. For several years I had the Dewalt RAS in a shipping container at the Back to Natives Nursery, a nonprofit charity I worked for. And would pull it out to build projects in various locales at the Nursery, which was not paved. No problem on sand or gravel. And smooth on Cement. Rockler even sent replacement bolts for the adjustment side bars, when I was building the extensions for the twin Unisaw setup!
I have Grizzly mobile bases and I tolerate them. I agree about the casters. I will say they work and they are stout enough.
I use a Grizzly base under my cabinet saw. About 25 years old now...never an issue.
For the incra, get some “lever bolts”, that’ll give you tool-less adjustment. Incra should just provide those with the tool.
Thank you. Have mine coming on Tuesday, this is super helpful.
Do you have a link for the ones you mentioned?
Absolutely, but get metal ones, or make some. The plastic stuff strips. For some reason manufacturers put plastic lever nuts on circ saws and they strip out on every one, requiring you to find a way to lock your saws depth setting. It really sucks in the middle of a work day to have to stop and fix a tool.
There is only one bolt that needs a tool on that fence to extend it. This guy did every wrong that could possibly be done wrong. His idiocy is discouraging people from buying one of the best miter gauge systems on the market.
I have had the JDS Accumiter miter gauge, the predecessor to the Jessem version for over 25 years now. Absolutely love it. It is heavy, but repeatably locks rock solid and is very easy to adjust. As it was the first of its kind, it didn't come with the miter bar, so I measured my saw slot and dug around in the selection of bars until I found one that accurately fit my saw - no adjustment needed,
My favorite mobile base is the Rockler All- Terrain base. It has larger wheels than most mobile bases and rides very smoothly. It is used on my 500+ lb Grizzley jointer and you move it with one finger. Set the locks and it is stable. Love it.
Shop Fox mobile base is the way to go. I use it on my full-height Jet drill press, and zero issues.
You may want to revisit the instructions for the Incra 1000. The fence extension doesn't work like you showed. Also, if you need an odd angle that is immediately repeatable, nothing is better. You can go back to any angle or length with no guessing no matter how many times you've moved the fence. Granted, most don't do work that fine or exacting, but for repairing handmade antiques it's perfect. Or remaking a piece you messed up doing angled, double dovetails.
@@donhill1825 Like most precision tools, it's tedious until you're used to it. Incra has some old videos that do a decent job of explaining how their tools work. The extension ruler should slide out shortest to longest measure and reference to the edge of the main fence.
@@donhill1825 the part that he does wrong is he removed the two bolts to slide the extension out when he should have just removed the one bolt that attached to the main body. And I have a magnet on the bottom of the saw stop rail and that's where I keep my hex key dedicated to the Incra 1000. How often do you need to cut long pieces that the extension will need to be readjusted again and again? I love mine and use it on every project. He just need to learn how to use it properly lol...
@@Madebyduc Well, he could learn the complicated tool, or he could find a simpler one that meets his needs. Same with any tool, whether it's a kitchen appliance, a vehicle, lawn care tools. Some folks do work that requires special capabilities from our tools, others just need the basics.
@@Kurgosh1 who buys an expensive tool only to find out he doesn't read the manual to find how it works...? and no, it's not like with any tools or vehicle. You buy a car and don't know how to drive? That's just plain lazy to be honest... he just lose credibility by doing "reviews" like this b/c it's going to convince others to not purchased it when he haven't done his due diligent and test it out/learn how to use it properly first
@@Madebyduc lol, he wasn't doing a review he was explaining why "he" doesn't like it. What you need to do with a tool and how it was designed don't always work together. He doesn't like it an he explained why. YMMV
I have a Incra 1000SE in fact I have two incra miter gauges. I think you're using the 1000se incorrectly. Yes, it could be a bit cumbersome to move the shop stop but with the SE I set one stop on the fence extension and the other on the main fence. ***side note*** I'm using the SE on my Incra Miter Express. If I need to create a stop I usually will ONLY loosen the single screw on the main fence to slide the extension in or out. Maybe it's just not for you but, I find them to be very nice for my workflow. I can't disagree with you on the clunkiness of moving the stop though, Best of luck 👍
I agree that he is not using it correctly. I don't know why all the screws on the top were loosened to move it. The screws on the top of the stop are normally not used unless extreme accuracy of less than 1/64" is required and that is not usually the case in woodworking.
I also use an Incra 1000se, nothjng else compares, it's my go to mitre gauge and consistent length cross cut tool. Great and safe for cutting tapers too.
Bora's base works well. It uses four corner fixtures with wheels and a sheet of plywood (not supplied). I have found these and similar bases to be quite functional.
I love my Incra miter gauge, and I believe you are not using correctly. For instance, the stop block setting does not require the screw driver at all... and the extension of the fence is only one screw away... no two. Nice to see that we are all different, and have different experiences... to each their own, I guess.
agreed, i have the unit and it is the 3/16 allen on the right that is loosened for the extension. once you have done the initial set up/calibration for extension bar, you don't need to touch it again. just loosen the bolt, pull it out and read the scale and tighten it up. the stop block is simply the two white twist knobs. i like the tiny indents or teeth that they lock into which means it won't move as you tighten it. i don't use this everyday or that often, but it is a good go to when needed like a lot of tools are
I love mine as well. Was definitely worth it for me. I also use the clasp as a stop block so I can repeat smaller cuts.
I agree 100%! Mine has been great and I don't even use a crosscut sled anymore because it's just more of a pain to get out and my Incra is so accurate.
I agree with the others. I love my Incra miter gauge. It’s one of the best purchases I ever made for my table saw. Maybe a close second to my Microjig Grripper pushblock.
I do think Incra could provide a fastener that doesn't require a tool for extending the fence.
The mobile base from Grizzly is what i have for my cabinet saw. Im sure it works for other tools, its adjustable. Works super so far.
I also use the bases from grizzly on cabinet saw plus drill press and band saw. had 5 years and no problems.
I have the Grizzly mobile base on my cabinet saw from Grizzle and I ordered a set of the just the base corners for my CNC router setup.
I have my 5 hp jointer/planer combo, about 600 pounds, on the Grizzly mobile base. Works great.
You don’t need the Allen wrenches to adjust the stop block, I always get great results with the knobs only. I admit that’s not the greatest process, but for all of the other benefits it’s a trade-off I’m OK with
Exactly. I'm not sure if he didn't read the instructions or just went with his gut but he is using the whole thing wrong and making it way more complicated than it really is. The 2 screws on top are specifically for the micro adjustment. You only need to do the thumb screws to move the stop block itself. Plus the 2 screws he used to move the fence extension were not the right ones. Those 2 screws only hold the extension fence onto the end of the slider bar. Its the third screw in that you loosen to allow the slider bar to move the extension out. When tightened, it holds that extension bar in place either extended out or slid in tight. The only real issue that could make the whole thing easier to use, is that the microadjuster does need that hex key to loosen those 2 bolts on top. I don't often use the microadjust but when I do use it, I just loosen them both to start with but only tighten one down to make adjustments. Once I'm done with the microadjust altogether, then I tighten them both down.
It looks like he included the 1000SE in the list mainly so he could feature it in the thumbnail for the video and attract more views. In other words, it’s clickbait. As you point out, he uses both the flip stop and the fence extension completely incorrectly, so that they seem complicated when they’re not. He admits up front that including the 1000SE is controversial; if he had a valid criticism, he’d have done a better job explaining it.
Probably it's just because I'm a lot older than you and have been dealing with problems a lot longer, but I could solve a bunch of those problems you're having. Mostly it goes to show that expensive isn't always best. Great video, thanks.
It's awesome to see how much your shop has grown from a humble garage with cobbled together shelves to this.
40 bucks for a stamped out piece of steel? Youre obviously already on the wrong path to start with if you consider buying that tool
BORA bases are GREAT! Very happy with mine. Just make sure to get the right one for your use, both as far as weight, size and if it’s 2 wheel or 4 wheel (I believe they offer 2 or 4 wheel flip options for all models, but at least for some). I did not want the 2 wheel flip for my table or mitre saws since I did not want to risk pushing some lumber and the tool rolling. But it would not matter on something like a band saw since it’s heavy and you don’t push on the wood much. They also offer extender struts to lengthen the side(s) if needed which I had to do for my rectangular shaped Evolution mitre saw (also a super tool BTW).
Shop Fox (Grizzly) makes a really nice mobile base for heavy "stationary" tools. I have my 14 inch Jet band saw on one, and my Reliant 6 inch jointer on another. I have zero issues with them buckling like your Wen did, and they shipped with all parts needed. In fact, I had a few nuts, bolts, and washers left over. I am constantly moving both of these tools around either for use, or because I need the space to do something else, and I have NEVER had any issues with them.
I heartily disagree with your review of the INCRA mitre SE…it’s a great mitre gauge… most other woodworkers agree. It is extremely accurate and easy to use.
Fumbling around trying to make it appear that a tool is poorly designed or not usefully is only a reflection on you not the functionality off the tool.
see again 0:21
I have Grizzly Bear Crawl bases under all my tools, including my 800lb 20" helical planer. They are ridiculously solid and easy to move. Changing direction is always a little wonky on any movable base since the wheels have to swing around in the new direction.
Came here to recommend this. Have one under my table saw and it has no trouble holding everything attached (got to be over 500 lbs).
The first one I bought worked so good I bought a second one. When it came the only change on it was the fox shop label. Still love them.
If it is a good base, it will not be wonky if changing directions. I had and then trashed or gave away all of my grizzly bases. They wouldnt change directions easily and would catch on every little crack in my workshop floor. Final straw is when I almost tipped over my G0513ANV 17" bandsaw! The only thing that saved it from going over, from the crazy wonkiness of the miniscule tiny wheels on the grizzly base, was my huge rack of wood stuffs. It was just luck that the bandsaw didn't smack the ground! Everyone I know with a concrete floor has cracks in it. And the tiny wheels of the grizzly base were never designed to roll over cracks in concrete, period. They are too small. And the bearings in the hinge points do not allow for the wheels to change direction smoothly and tend to become tippy, very easily. I could not roll the G634XP jointer/planer at all! Completely immobile with the so-called mobile base by grizzly.
Regarding the Incra, I find that using the stop and extension with an Allen wrench acceptable. When I lock it down I know it is rock solid and repeatability is assured. I do agree that what works for me might not work for others as you expressed. I find that what works for me is the Incra 1000 SE. Thank you for your excellent channel, I am a subscriber and enjoy your content and presentation. Lets just say I agree to disagree on personal preference rather than a flawed tool. Cheers!
I think on the 1000 se is you need to learn how to use more. I make a lot if mutton and you sneak up on it. Add a good sacrifice fence flip this stops and none netter if you need precise minute adjustments. Loosen plastic thumb screws push in and macro adjustment a snap. Use the driver and you can micro adjust down for perfect fit. I have rare earth magnet on side of fence and it stays out of way. If you don't require that precision it is overkill. I make panels and the 5000 is great as well. That one would drive you insane. Cheers.
I have a huge issue with my woodpecker rules from a durability standpoint. Let me say I love using them and I reach for them every day but for the price I would never recommend them to someone else because they are not a lifetime tool. I had one fall off my workbench and the cheap material it was made out of immediately dented right on the corner. Their warranty of course doesn't cover dropped tools which I understand but it would be nice to see them stand behind their product more as the customer service response was too bad so sad.
I agree. I love my Woodpecker rules, I have the Paolini Pocket rule set. the PRECISION WOODWORKING T-SQUARES set. and the Woodworking Rules set and even the Mini Square, and I have dropped at least one of each set. Concrete is unforgiving I get that. But one drop ruins any precision for their aluminum precision layout tools. Because I am so afraid of ruining any more of my Red Stash, I just reach for vintage Stanley steel combo square. If I need something smaller, I grab the 4" iGauging double square. Sadly, my Woodpecker tools look great on the wall, but only randomly see service in my workshop. I wish I had the green cash, sometimes, instead of the red wall art. I do love the T-squares though. I do put those to work when building cabinets. But the Woodworking rules only come out to measure cut-off lengths to setup stop-blocks for my radial arm saw. The Paolini's get dropped almost every time I take them from the rack they came with. So I hardly ever take them down. Sigh.
I build my own mobile bases out of plywood using dual locking casters. This way I can control the table height (I try to make all my tools have a 36" table height so I can use any work surface I have as an infeed or outfeed table), and give the base a little extra width to ensure extra stability. I think some folks think casters would make the tool move when using it, but I usually only lock one, or two at the most of the wheels to have a perfectly stable base.
I bought the 99 dollar Rockler set which require you make the rails out of 2x2s but it works great. They are rated for 600 pounds. I’ve had 800 pounds on on them with zero issues.
I have used the Bora mobile base on my Jet band saw and I have had no issues with it at all.
I have the Woodpecker blast gates...THEY ARE WONDERFUL. I've tried many blast gates over the year, they all leak except these Woodpecker gates. Also, I can cut down the air flow from my Dewalt 735 planner. Between the planners blower and my 2HP dust collector, they would blow the dust bag off the collector. The Woodpecker blast gates solve that problem.
I have the WEN mobile base, and I can verify the buckling. I have a maybe 60lb cabinet on it, and it buckled overnight. I thought it was something I did wrong, but I’m glad to know that’s not the case lol.
I have the Incra 1000HD love it my tool is in a holder at the end of table. I don’t adjust it that frequently for using the wrench to make a difference.
I just bought and downloaded the instructions. Very nice job putting them together. I've been wanting to build a crosscut sled, but have not found one that I like. This one is a clear winner. Especially the Safer Cross Cut Sled. I'll be building it this coming weekend, and this will replace my need to use my compound miter saw for most of my cuts. While my CMS is a solid tool, Bosch, I don't find I need to make compound cuts that much. In fact, I am kicking myself for selling my Delta/Rockwell Radial Arm Saw. It was perfect for working with larger material, and you didn't have to worry about making changes. I know a ton of woodworkers consider the RAS to be unsafe. That was not my experience. With any power tool, you must be vigilant and careful what you do with it. I'm back to looking for a RAS so I can sell my Bosch CMS.
I have the Rockler All-Terrain Mobile Base which is GREAT!! I had other mobile bases under my table saw, but this one is the best with the larger 5" wheels, it rolls very easily . . . I recommend it!
I have three. Under cabinet table saw, 14" bandsaw and planer/joiner combo. The table saw and planer/joiner are around 600# each and moving them is a breeze. Love the 5" polyurethane wheels. My vote.
As for mobile bases, I built my own out of 2 layers of 3/4" ply, some 2 x 2 around the edge to hold the legs on and small rollers rated to carry the weight. At this point I have my band saw, thickness planer, benchtop drill press and benchtop jointer on these bases. It's been a couple years and nothing has failed. Easy to move and 2 wheels per base have locking mechanisms so they stay where set. But that's just me.
I recommend the Grizzly Bear Crawl for a mobile base. Have one for my table saw and love it.
I have the Bora PM-1050 from Rockler and it works great. Holds my porta-cable bandsaw nicely.
I have the same Incra fence and couldn't agree with you more Matt, the tool for making adjustments is always missing when I need it and ive wasted a lot of time trying to find it, one time it hit the floor and rolled under my toolbox and it was a week before I found it!! For the price its a well built accurate tool but not having tool free adjustments is definitely it's biggest failing, thanks for another great video Matt, love what you do for the community!
I've had numerous Incra products, never had a problem with any, and they all work very well and as designed. Mobile bases, especially "adjustable bases" are generally made with steel that is not of sufficient gauge and strength. They flex. The weak point is where the "adjustment" bolts hold the segments together. After I saw that I built my own using 3 x 3 x X oak, lag bolts, and Gorilla glue. For heavy machines like 900 a pound jointer I may double/laminate the wood then use commercial casters that hold 400 - 500lbs. each. (Don't be so stupid as to buy cheap casters or those that each carry exactly 1/4 of the capacity you need.) Nothing flexes and they roll fine. If I had to do it again I would set a jointer and planer directly on a wood base/mat without casters, level them, and leave them there. I moved my jointer once to a better spot with an engine puller crain. I never moved it again. Kreg gauge blocks are not cheap or free. Years ago I made a mutlple height gauge block from a single piece of maple. Set the various heights accurately on scrap once, make the slots in your block, and off you go.
You’re using the incra wrong. You shouldn’t have to loosen the bolts on top to move the stop. Only the white knobs. Those bolts are for initial setup. Also, for the fence extension, you only need to loosen the single screw and not the two screws on the extension part. I too was frustrated when I started using it only to find out I was using it wrong once I read the instructions. Maybe check out the instructions and have another go at it and maybe you’ll like it.
Its ok to have opinions on not liking a particular tool but I think if it isn’t being used properly that may be why some may dislike it. Its a very accurate and handy gauge to use and cuts to precise measurements!
Good grief, read the instructions before comment on why you don/t like it. You obviously do not understand how this jig works as you made several major errors in trying to explain how it works. This is a great jig and the on with the sliding support table is even better in my opinion.
That Incra mitre gage is great. I've been using it accurately for 15 years
Don't confuse user error with a bad tool.
see 0:20 again
@@731WoodworksNo. The tools don't work differently, you are just stupid and doing EVERYTHING wrong. This is 100% user error.
Matt I just found your You Tube videos and I have learned a lot about woodworking from you.There is always something to learn from watching You Tube videos and yours is one of the best. As far as this video portion on mobile bases I have a Grizzly 1023 table saw and a Rikon 17" band saw both on the Grizzly mobile base for over 10 years and have absolutely no issues at all.
Thanks 👍
I love the Incra Miter gage! And Bora mobile base, the 4 caster version. No issues with either
thanks for the review .I could not agree more about the incra miter gauge
Hey man just wanted to say thanks, picked up a new jobsite saw and the Incra V27 today (both on sale!), starting a (very) small weekend warrior level shop out of the garage, and your videos have been super helpful so far. You just got a new subscriber, cheers!
Glad the videos help, Adam. Thank you
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the Festool track storage on the garage door is brilliant!
They are cool! Check them out in this video ruclips.net/video/e4G5LGTkXHI/видео.html
For the Rikon bandsaw just get the Rikon mobility kit for your aw model. , super easy to put on, is simple, it fits and works well
Great review, Matt! My two cents about the mobile base, I don't recommend the Bora mobile base. I got one for my new Jet bandsaw. It's okay, it didn't collapse like the one in your shop and when you engage the wheels it rolls okay. But when you lock it down it's very spongy and causes the saw to wobble a lot. Let us know if you find a better one.
For a mobile base for your Rikon (I have the same model) I’d say build your own. I purchased the mobile base kit when I purchased the saw. It’s made by Rikon (I think) and advertised to fit into the base cabinet. Spendy little guy it is. However it comes with 3 wheels, 2 in back one in front center. Rolls well in a straight line but watch out for the cement joints as front wheel gets stuck in them and talk about wobbly. Don’t turn it to quickly as it wants to lean and threatens to fall over. Someday when I get a little extra time I’m going build a mobile base that incorporates 4 wheels and fits the cabinet base. If I get this done this summer I’ll send you my design and pictures. There’s got to be something better.
Enjoy your channel and your message.
I love my Incra V120.
Refreshing to see someone not afraid to call out issues or just bad tools by some of the big name companies! I think most of the time, they are making great tools, but there are some that I look at and wonder why they did that! Great job Matt!
I have used a few of the BORA portable bases. Been very happy with with all of them. Just depends on the weight you want and the style of wheels.
I had a Rockwell mill on the Bora base. No problem moving around. Put a 16" DoAll band saw on it now and need to shim up with some blocks since the saw sits too far down and the door doesn't work. But most of the time having the item sit lower is better.
Shop Fox model D4666 mobile base has rectangular rails and it works great.
The Grizzly mobile bases are fantastic for the price! Beefy and glide across the floor very smoothly. Have had one for a few months now on my table saw and love it!
I own several Grizzly, Jet and, believe it or not, Harbor Freight heavy duty mobile bases and they all work great. I will admit that I use the Harbor Freight heavy duty mobile base on the lightest piece of equipment I have which is a very old Delta table saw with base and extended wings. it weighs in at around 500 pounds. You have to provide the 2x2 wood to use for the rails.
I made my own mobile bases for my band saw and my drill press. The band saw base is made of 2x4s and 3/4" plywood and a caster kit. My benchtop drill press base is a cabinet made of 3/4" plywood that rolls around on a Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit model PM-1100. My table saw is on a Shop Fox mobile base kit. My only complaint with it is that the wheels fall apart and the Steelex hard rubber replacement wheels fell apart eventually as well. I ended up replacing them with red polyurethane wheels. So far, so good, but what a PITA.
I don’t have that same model of incra miter gauge. Curious if you are adjusting the black screws everytime? On my model the similar black screws (mine are knobs) are only to set the block to the tape measure. The white knobs are easily undone to move the block with no tools.
Yeah, I made a mistake on that part. You set the measurement with the black screws. Then use the thumbscrews to move the stop block, but it's still doesn't move easily and is a little cumbersome to use.
Great video I see your points on each one of those tools. I like that you weren’t down on the brand you were just down on their particular tool. I have been involved in making tools in the machine industry and sometimes the tools I make just don’t work very well. I throw them out and I start over. Even the best companies come up with a dud every once in a while
Shop Fox mobile bases are cheap, and super tough. I have a 1200lb shaper with a 200lb feeder on one. Moves relatively easily and has help up over several years of heavy use in a professional shop . Guessing I’ve had around a dozen or more over the years and have never had an issue. Shop Fox isn’t exactly known for quality, but their mobile bases are well worth the price.
I have the bora mobile base with that exact saw. Cheap and works really well. Can highly recommend
Seen the video Agree on blast gates, I have two. On the mobile base. I use the Rockler all terrain mobile base #42365. I have a powermatic 15HH planer & 54HH jointer on mine. The one thing i didn’t like is the hardware supplied. Threw it out, went to hardware store bought my own nuts and bolts. Drilled all parts to new size, and added one more hole on each side for the rails. 16 nuts and bolts instead of only 8 puny ones. My tools glide across my garage floor
Ive had very good luck with Bora bases. Very sturdy.
The Hongdui HD-KS22 Mitre Fence mounts to the V27, no modifications. Killer combo! Probably the best fence you can buy.
The 14" bandsaw in my shop came with a similar mobile base to yours. It had the same problem. After taking it apart and cleaning the mating surfaces I reassembled it and made sure the bolts and nuts were TIGHT. Zero issues after more than 2 years. If the bolts break when tightening them, use grade 8 bolts. Tractor Supply has them at a great price. Get the grade 8 nuts and washers at the same time.
The Jessum height gauge is a fail to me as well. The notches align everything parallel but that induces a second problem, common with all of the setup tools including the nice ones like the Kreg. Since commercially produced lumber in the US may or may not be precisely 3/4" thick and virtually no plywood is any precise measurement, fixed Imperial units devices are becoming more and more useless. Even so-called metric dimensioned plywood is not usually a whole number of millimeters thick. Ply sold as 3/4" is often .688" which is a little more than 17mm and 18mm ply is almost never 18mm/0.708" thick. Unfortunately (I prefer dial indicators as they don't ever have dead batteries) the digital height gauges with adequately sized bases are few and far between but seem to be the best option with the ever changing sizes of sheet goods.
The Woodpecker corner rule is one of the best tools in my shop.
Rockler’s Extreme Mobile Base is excellent. I have my bandsaw on it and move it around one handed.
I agree! I have the all terrain mobile base by Rockler. Good stuff!
Thanks you so much for saying the defect of the incra: I wanted to buy one and I had not understood the need to unscrew to extend the fence. So for the price it's not possible. thanks
Almost my entire shop is on a Bora mobile base it’s awesome Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit PM-1100. My workbench is on the bora workbench casters and I have no problem moving it. The only problem I have had is if the base gets super big, with alot of weight the 3/4” plywood I used will bow. Then it will drag but this can be fixed by adding a brace of 2x across it to beef it up.
P.S. he's not buying all his tools.
Edit: That's not a slam. If I got great free tools, it'd free up money I could buy "better" stuff with. Again, not a slam on him. I love his videos. I love his heart.
I think you need to learn to use the incra miter gauge properly to truly appreciate it. The more you use it, the more you'll understand and see that is why it is so accurate.
Love the honesty. I have the Borla base which I supplanted with 3/4" plywood no flex for Ryobi band saw. I was ready to add side skirts for added rigidity if needed.
Which Bora? There appear to be several. Thanks.
I use a sliding combination square instead of setup blocks, if need be drill bits are another option saving me 20-60 bucks. I ended up going with the incra v27 instead of one with a for flexibility of different things but I find a sled to be the best choice.
JLR Workshop-- Matt, I use the Grizzly Bear Crawl Jr on my 300+ pound table saw. Its rated for almost 600. Plan on transferring to a cabinet saw when I get one. Rolls nice and is sturdy.
Rikon has their own "Mobility kit" that bolts right up to their bases without the need for the extra bars around the perimeter. I haven't used it personally, but that's the one I would get if I had a Rikon bandsaw.
I have a Grizzly mobile base under my band saw. Have been using it over 7 years and have never had a problem with it. Was easy to assemble and remains rock solid.
This is my miter gauge w/fence solution - Incra Miter V120 (Rockler #26537) with the Rockler Miter Gauge Fence (Rockler #61967). Super accureate with 1 degree increments and the Rockler fence is easy to adjust. The pair wil set you back $160, but well worth it in my opinion.
The Kreg setup blocks are gold. Best recommendation you’ve ever made!
I just bought the INCRA V27 today and yes I'm very happy and can't wait to use it.
Simple, make your own base and fit lockable castors.
I use Harvey's mobile base. It's basically the four corners where the wheels etc are and you provide a piece of plywood anywhere from 3/4" to 1-1/2" thick. I used to 1/2" pieces that I laminated together to make a 1" ply for my 300 lb. bandsaw. Works great.
Hate to say it but I've been using the Rockler mobile bases for years. These are the ones that come without side rails and you provide wooden rails cut to size. Rockler specifies hardwood but I've ripped 2x4s and have had no issues with even the heaviest tools (8" jointer, 15" planer, 14" bandsaw).
I use the Bora mobile bases under my machines. Very solid and I'm quite happy with them.
Awesome. Thank you
Some of my tools have custom mobile bases, I hadn’t moved them in several years (partially due to illness) very high quality urethane wheels the tires came off or shredded, unless you move your heavy tools often stay away from these wheels. I’m replacing them with a hard rubber or hard plastic. The HTC bases were quite good 15 - 20 years ago don’t know now they were modified for my lathe using perforated angle or heavy duty shelving uprights and bolting the bases to the machines.
I’ve been impressed with the BORA portable bases, when it comes to beaver tools. I used a couple of others, but BORO is what I turn to the most.
I have the BORA base that just comes with the wheel/corner pieces and you supply a custom cut piece of plywood to connect them based on the footprint of your machine. Use it for my 240 lbs. jointer and it's great. Got a piece of 1/2 inch steel square tube and connected the two pedals to easily raise/lower it with one motion and no racking.
@@Ashitaka1110 Yes. I connected mine with a piece of steel U-channel fr the same reason.
By far the best moblie base I've found is the rockler all terrain mobile base. I have 4 of them and they roll great over heavy rubber mats.
Thanks!
I agree the build and the caster size is extremely useful when hitting the seams in the concrete.
I concur also on the Rockler extreme duty base. However, after purchasing one, I discovered that the extension kits just won’t extend far enough to accommodate my Delta Unisaw and it’s extension wing. I need 60” to handle both the main cabinet and the support leg of the extension. Bora is supposed to make something that will get ‘er done. The drill press is going on top the Rockler.
I agree. Rocklers are very solid mobile bases. I have my bandsaw on one with no issues.
I have a Bora base on my Shop Fox band saw and have been pleased with it.
The Incra miter gauge with the aluminum fence is a pain. I took the fence off and made a wooden one. Then I have a way to run both sides of the board through the blade. The Incra is very accurate but the fence and the stop are a pain. I added a t-track on the top of the fence and that is my stop method with an L bracket.
The stop looks really easy to use. What about it is a pain?
Regarding bandsaw mobile bases: my 14Bx came with a horrible 3 wheel system that was a PAIN to use. I couldn’t find a 4 x360° wheel system… so I actually just put on 4 360° locking casters from Rockler. The thing moves like a dream. I highly recommend.
Harvey actually makes a sturdy module base that uses 3/4” BB as the substrate (you supply the plywood). I have it on my Harvey Alpha table saw and it works beautifully
Jason, Same here and it rolls super smooth. I doubled up the plywood to max the thickness at 1.5 inches as I added weight with the cast iron extension both left and right. Just ordered one to use on my Laguana 14" Bandsaw too.
I'm binging on "Tools I wish I hadn't bought" on RUclips. I laughed when I saw you recommend the Kreg setup blocks, Those made it on another site's "Don't bother with" list.
I use my set up blocks all the time lol
If Benchmark made a hook rule I would by it but I really do like the hook rule and the ability to hold it to an end of a board. I have a vintage one that I use all of the time. I have the incra and completely agree the setup is quirky and I do not like looking for the screwdriver they ship it with.
2 x 4's and casters make my stuff mobile.
JET JMB-UMB Universal Mobile Base, 18" x 18" to 28" x 28" (708118) is a beast! I bought this for my Jet Jointer/planer!!!
You should learn to use the Incra before you bash it. You are loosening the wrong screws. The tool works very well if used properly.
See 0:20
I use a bora mobile base for my workbench. I had to but extenders to get it to cover the 56” x 30” base and they too sagged and dragged on the floor. I’ve adjusted them a couple times. My workbench weighs around 300 lbs
The best mobile base I've found is the Bora PM3550. I have several of the PM3500s. The local Woodcraft was blowing them out for $50 so I bought everything they had. While the PM3500s are really good (you're not going to break them with that little bandsaw) they only have two swivel casters. The PPM3550 is the same base with four swivel casters, a BIG improvement.