Maybe Hollyleaf could have had her power if Jayfeather wasn’t loaded up with an entire X-Men Team’s worth or abilities. It’s clear as crystal that Jayfeather was the only one of the three with actual care put into him, so why even include his siblings? Just have Jayfeather be the single powerhouse against the dark forest and Lionblaze and Hollyleaf would just be background characters like they were meant to be.
Like for real. I stan all three of them but they legit are filed in my mind only as Jayfeather's mildly interesting sister and Jayfeather's boring brother.
The very fact that the Erins decided Holly wouldn't have a power halfway through writing PO3 makes it clear that they put absolutely no effort into actually developing the story lol. Giving her a power would've been so interesting, but I wish they at least came up with an in-universe reason for her not having one!
Eh, Jayfeather has too many cringey moments for me. But like, Holly should have had a power, and it's really annoying that she didn't and it's unbalanced. Dovewing isn't even that interesting outside of her power but Hollyleaf is.
@@saml815 I mean how could they not think of a power, I can think of 3 off the bat! Smh to their imagination. 1. Make her faster than other cats 2. Make her able to make her paws completely silent and she can mask her scent with a thought to spy and hunt 3. Give her Dovewing's power
I’ve been making jokes for years that they should have just gone ahead and given Hollyleaf teleportation. The Erins don’t like writing traveling books, most of us don’t like reading traveling books, so why not solve multiple problems at once? It’s not like there isn’t precedent for it in other stories; Akira Toriyama gave Goku Instant Transmission after the Freeza arc because he got tired of writing fights where everyone was waiting around for Goku to finally show up. Yes, it’s cheap, but it certainly makes getting characters where they need to be a lot easier. Plus, Hollyleaf being comically bad at hiding it from the rest of the Clan just writes itself.
I know it was the Erins no longer giving Firestar a meaningful role in the story until the end of OotS, but he just always acted done with everything after they moved to the Lake. To be fair, he had to deal with like, three prophecies at a young age, and even more with PoT and OotS. But he just always acted burnt out, y'know? Like, "Fiiiiine... I'll be the fourth cat if have to..."
Yeah as a long time reader of the series (was 11 years old when Into the Wild was published) and a big Firestar fan, it is very frustrating to watch him basically fade into the background as the books go on and listen to other fans either rag on or just dismiss him as being boring and basic . . . but then I also have to acknowledge the fact that if he did interfere more, or at least allowed to interfere more with the plot and helping out the new protagonists, it would actually break the story . . . and it doubles the frustration when it makes me think about that this is part of the reason why I have felt the series has been going steadily downhill and not really stopping since the Original Arc ended. Yes all stories have operate by some measure of suspension of disbelief in order to work (It why Hitchcock said that this is why people don't just call the police in horror/thriller stories), but I do think the later series of Warriors has had a serious problem of not having plots that won't immediately shatter if the characters act rationally, especially when former protagonists interacting with the new protagonist; they either make the situation inexplicability harder for really no reason or they just don't just get involved no matter what, even if it should be something that greatly concerns them. Hell this is why I have hard time with getting attached to new characters introduced in the later arcs as it is like "Well can't wait to see this character pushed to the background and not really contribute much for the rest of their life" or "I want to like you, but this story is not really selling me on you being the protagonist because its not giving me any reason to not be constantly thinking 'why can't the protagonists of past arcs just come in and fix this situation again? I mean a explanation that is not just simply they aren't the protagonists anymore . . . also that explanation is not lame as hell.'." Part of what frustrated me about Omen of the Stars as a Firestar fan is that, if the writers knew that he was the Fourth Cat and that this arc would be his swan song from the start, they should have just declared him the fourth cat outright and made him a POV character from The Fourth Apprentice onward; personally it might have made that arc more interesting to see events from his point of view. Vision of Shadows and the Broken Code seem to try and make it more balanced between the former protagonists and new protagonists, but I just don't think it works. Squrrileflight seems to make an effort to be proactive but then authors are like "No no. You'll upstage the new protagonists and your husband Bramblestar, after all he is totally Firestar successor and not you or anyone else . . . because." And Jayfeather seems to be kept around in the spotlight since he is popular and because "LOL he is the iconic grumpy snarky curmudgeon!" even though he really doesn't do much anymore. Bear in mind this is not a phenomena unique to Warriors. This stuff was one of the many issues that plagued the Post Return of the Jedi era of the Old/Legends Star Wars Expanded universe. But to name another series that gets around this problem well there is my other favorite/influential animal fantasy series that I grew up on: Redwall. Outside of a handful of books that made up mini arcs, every book was self contained and existed in a different era of history, thus the protagonists of those stories are allowed to stand on their own in a way. The only character that appears in all the books is Martin the Warrior. However he is only alive and the protagonist in a trilogy (Martin the Warrior, Mossflower and The Legend of Luke). He shows up in the prophetic vision of a book that takes place years before he was born and the rest of the series he is just a spirit guide. Sorry for the length and rambling of the comment. Hope you all have a lovely day!
honestly i wished i liked firestar more than i do, he was a great protagonist to start the series off with and now hes just like every mildly important thunderclan cat that does things on occasion to me
I'm a huge dovewing, hollyleaf and firestar fan. I wish the cats had as much personality as they do in these videos. It's so much more interesting . I'd also kill to see dovewing and ivypool reconnect, and not just the thunderclan 4 be the only starclan cats to do crap. Another thing, I want ivypool to become a leader, and skyclan get some more attention
This is what happens when you base an entire arc off one scene that takes place in the fifth book and decide to run with it with little thought. Think things through kids
I'm all for new characters and new protagonists but I'm getting so tired of the old protagonists who had so much personality being shoved to the background and losing all of their characterization immediately after their arc is over. I don't get why the Erins think that old protagonists can't be in the books for more than one series. I would love to see another arc centered around Alderheart or Squirrelflight or Ivypool. Those were interesting characters with really interesting morals and motivations and their POVs were interesting to read. I just hate that they lose everything that makes them a decent character the moment their series ends. Especially when they have skills and experiences that could help the new protagonists.
Not to mention, Alderheart would have made a much more interesting POV character for Broken Code because it was HIS FATHER who was sent out in the snow to die and got possessed. What internal turmoil is he going through with all this, especially with his mother missing now?
@@CatoftheStorm no literally. It would have been so cool so see the imposter's actions from the POV of someone who actually knew bramblestar. I could just be biased because I love alderheart but I just don't think the new protagonists are interesting to read about at all.
@@Amber-yi2wh I am not really an Alderheart fan (except for book 1 and 6 I thought his parts were redundant with Twigbranch's) but even I know where the emotional center of a story is! I would have loved his perspective so much.
Yeah. Although maybe not Ivypool though... She's already super popular in the fandom, I feel like she doesn't really need anymore books. Alderheart though would definitely be interesting! What I really hope for though, is that we will get Rootspring and maybe Shadowsight's PoV again in the next series. The mains of TBC are probably my favorite out of the whole series lol
Now that would have been an interesting power for Hollyleaf: She herself doesn't get any, but whoever she is around randomly gets a power (or she's is the source of her brothers' powers and without her nearby, they have none).
“Hilarious how much they hate their mother- my daughter” Firestar… I will never understand how you didn’t do anything to help your kit being bullied and by her children and most of the clan
I mean in the real books he does try to persuade the three the forgive Leafpool and Squirrelflight at least a little. But Moonkitti's is just for comedy.
Wouldn't say they bullied them. They just kind of ignored them. Also, you can't really say that Leafpool and Squirrelflight did much effort towards reconciliation either. Jayfeather wanted Leafpool to be a medicine cat again as soon as the fourth apprentice, btw.
Every introvert’s mindset: don't get involved so the story can move forward and make sense. It won't if you get involved. You'll mess stuff up and the universe will stop you.” I have never identified with Firestar more.
The whole time I was reading this arc I kept wondering, how come Firestar almost never has any involvement with the Three in regards to the prophecy, considering he knew about it well before they did.
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“Hi Firestar.”
“Hi Firestar.”
“Hi Firestar.”
Berrynose : “Why do I hear boss music?”
Thanks everyone for the likes on this comment. This is the most likes i've ever had from a comment. Thank you :)
This is hilarious
*FOX HAS ENTERED THE CHAT*
Berry nose depression? My faviroute!
Alternate title: Firestar's Soap Opera
HAHAHA so right!
😂😂
Lol
Oml yes
That's just the whole series in a nutshell.
"See it's better just to observe"
My exact reasoning for not communicating with my classmates.
Same
Not rly
@@on-line10 ive been searching everywhere for who asked
This is me lol
Yep, this is basically my life.
Maybe Hollyleaf could have had her power if Jayfeather wasn’t loaded up with an entire X-Men Team’s worth or abilities. It’s clear as crystal that Jayfeather was the only one of the three with actual care put into him, so why even include his siblings? Just have Jayfeather be the single powerhouse against the dark forest and Lionblaze and Hollyleaf would just be background characters like they were meant to be.
We might have had a more interesting story and the Erin just refuse to let that happen
Like for real. I stan all three of them but they legit are filed in my mind only as Jayfeather's mildly interesting sister and Jayfeather's boring brother.
The very fact that the Erins decided Holly wouldn't have a power halfway through writing PO3 makes it clear that they put absolutely no effort into actually developing the story lol. Giving her a power would've been so interesting, but I wish they at least came up with an in-universe reason for her not having one!
Eh, Jayfeather has too many cringey moments for me. But like, Holly should have had a power, and it's really annoying that she didn't and it's unbalanced. Dovewing isn't even that interesting outside of her power but Hollyleaf is.
@@saml815 I mean how could they not think of a power, I can think of 3 off the bat! Smh to their imagination.
1. Make her faster than other cats
2. Make her able to make her paws completely silent and she can mask her scent with a thought to spy and hunt
3. Give her Dovewing's power
"how dare leafpool fall in love and then have kits?? how dare squirrelflight raise us???"
I thought Fire Star would be like, "I'm sure Spoted Leaf and Yellow Fang got it covered. They sure told me a bunch, sometimes."
Key word: sometimes
Sometimes 🤔
Sandstorm being the most reasonable cat in the room once again
firestar: opens his mouth
plot: *no*
*No no, he's got a point*
LOL
What is happening to this world?… Oh I know Firestar’s mouth.
Firestar: hey let's talk about the plot to drive it forward
Erin: foxes it is
Edit: love how the entire comments of this is "FOX"
F O X
F O X
F O X
F O X
F O X
Firestar comes to the same spot every day to watch his daily granchildren soap opera
I’ve been making jokes for years that they should have just gone ahead and given Hollyleaf teleportation. The Erins don’t like writing traveling books, most of us don’t like reading traveling books, so why not solve multiple problems at once?
It’s not like there isn’t precedent for it in other stories; Akira Toriyama gave Goku Instant Transmission after the Freeza arc because he got tired of writing fights where everyone was waiting around for Goku to finally show up.
Yes, it’s cheap, but it certainly makes getting characters where they need to be a lot easier. Plus, Hollyleaf being comically bad at hiding it from the rest of the Clan just writes itself.
So...who wants to write this fanfic?
@@candyelysium451 You do it
The one dislike is from Leafpool hearing her children say they hate her
Firestar be like: "I observe all that transpires here, but I do not, cannot, will not interfere."
He learned that the hard way…
HollyLeaf: *I SHALL FOLLOW THE RULES!*
Also her: **killed AshFur brutally and tried to poison her own mother**
NAHHHH only SHE is allowed to break the rules
@@goodday2826 You can't change mah mind, I always disliked HollyLeaf
@@golden_cheese_cookie1562 Same. She's more boring than Lionblaze. At least he has some cool fighting powers.
“Hi Firestar!” (x3)
~Lionblaze, Jayfeather, Hollyleaf
The best soap opera I’ve ever heard
I know it was the Erins no longer giving Firestar a meaningful role in the story until the end of OotS, but he just always acted done with everything after they moved to the Lake. To be fair, he had to deal with like, three prophecies at a young age, and even more with PoT and OotS. But he just always acted burnt out, y'know? Like, "Fiiiiine... I'll be the fourth cat if have to..."
Yeah as a long time reader of the series (was 11 years old when Into the Wild was published) and a big Firestar fan, it is very frustrating to watch him basically fade into the background as the books go on and listen to other fans either rag on or just dismiss him as being boring and basic . . . but then I also have to acknowledge the fact that if he did interfere more, or at least allowed to interfere more with the plot and helping out the new protagonists, it would actually break the story . . . and it doubles the frustration when it makes me think about that this is part of the reason why I have felt the series has been going steadily downhill and not really stopping since the Original Arc ended. Yes all stories have operate by some measure of suspension of disbelief in order to work (It why Hitchcock said that this is why people don't just call the police in horror/thriller stories), but I do think the later series of Warriors has had a serious problem of not having plots that won't immediately shatter if the characters act rationally, especially when former protagonists interacting with the new protagonist; they either make the situation inexplicability harder for really no reason or they just don't just get involved no matter what, even if it should be something that greatly concerns them.
Hell this is why I have hard time with getting attached to new characters introduced in the later arcs as it is like "Well can't wait to see this character pushed to the background and not really contribute much for the rest of their life" or "I want to like you, but this story is not really selling me on you being the protagonist because its not giving me any reason to not be constantly thinking 'why can't the protagonists of past arcs just come in and fix this situation again? I mean a explanation that is not just simply they aren't the protagonists anymore . . . also that explanation is not lame as hell.'." Part of what frustrated me about Omen of the Stars as a Firestar fan is that, if the writers knew that he was the Fourth Cat and that this arc would be his swan song from the start, they should have just declared him the fourth cat outright and made him a POV character from The Fourth Apprentice onward; personally it might have made that arc more interesting to see events from his point of view. Vision of Shadows and the Broken Code seem to try and make it more balanced between the former protagonists and new protagonists, but I just don't think it works. Squrrileflight seems to make an effort to be proactive but then authors are like "No no. You'll upstage the new protagonists and your husband Bramblestar, after all he is totally Firestar successor and not you or anyone else . . . because." And Jayfeather seems to be kept around in the spotlight since he is popular and because "LOL he is the iconic grumpy snarky curmudgeon!" even though he really doesn't do much anymore.
Bear in mind this is not a phenomena unique to Warriors. This stuff was one of the many issues that plagued the Post Return of the Jedi era of the Old/Legends Star Wars Expanded universe. But to name another series that gets around this problem well there is my other favorite/influential animal fantasy series that I grew up on: Redwall. Outside of a handful of books that made up mini arcs, every book was self contained and existed in a different era of history, thus the protagonists of those stories are allowed to stand on their own in a way. The only character that appears in all the books is Martin the Warrior. However he is only alive and the protagonist in a trilogy (Martin the Warrior, Mossflower and The Legend of Luke). He shows up in the prophetic vision of a book that takes place years before he was born and the rest of the series he is just a spirit guide.
Sorry for the length and rambling of the comment. Hope you all have a lovely day!
honestly i wished i liked firestar more than i do, he was a great protagonist to start the series off with and now hes just like every mildly important thunderclan cat that does things on occasion to me
Your so right!
I'm a huge dovewing, hollyleaf and firestar fan. I wish the cats had as much personality as they do in these videos. It's so much more interesting . I'd also kill to see dovewing and ivypool reconnect, and not just the thunderclan 4 be the only starclan cats to do crap. Another thing, I want ivypool to become a leader, and skyclan get some more attention
this i do not have time to read bye! *runs away from her computer*
This person wrote an entire essay-
This is what happens when you base an entire arc off one scene that takes place in the fifth book and decide to run with it with little thought. Think things through kids
New Headcanon: Firestar after Arc1 is aware he is in a book series
yes.
I'll get involved
Yes CHAOS
BREAK THE STORY LINE
Firestar: I can't tell them now, we have another series to fill!
I'm all for new characters and new protagonists but I'm getting so tired of the old protagonists who had so much personality being shoved to the background and losing all of their characterization immediately after their arc is over. I don't get why the Erins think that old protagonists can't be in the books for more than one series. I would love to see another arc centered around Alderheart or Squirrelflight or Ivypool. Those were interesting characters with really interesting morals and motivations and their POVs were interesting to read. I just hate that they lose everything that makes them a decent character the moment their series ends. Especially when they have skills and experiences that could help the new protagonists.
Not to mention, Alderheart would have made a much more interesting POV character for Broken Code because it was HIS FATHER who was sent out in the snow to die and got possessed.
What internal turmoil is he going through with all this, especially with his mother missing now?
@@CatoftheStorm no literally. It would have been so cool so see the imposter's actions from the POV of someone who actually knew bramblestar. I could just be biased because I love alderheart but I just don't think the new protagonists are interesting to read about at all.
@@Amber-yi2wh I am not really an Alderheart fan (except for book 1 and 6 I thought his parts were redundant with Twigbranch's) but even I know where the emotional center of a story is! I would have loved his perspective so much.
Yeah. Although maybe not Ivypool though... She's already super popular in the fandom, I feel like she doesn't really need anymore books. Alderheart though would definitely be interesting!
What I really hope for though, is that we will get Rootspring and maybe Shadowsight's PoV again in the next series. The mains of TBC are probably my favorite out of the whole series lol
@@warriorcatkitty Shadowsight grew on me, but Rootspring...Eh I don't know.
Sandstorm : don’t you want to help them give them some tips may-
Firestar: OH NO!!!
Firestar: I couldn't tell anyone anything during MY arc and that's how my grandkids will do it
They'll be eating fox for 197 moons!
Greystripe: nah. I'll just go ahead and... y'know, help myself.
As much as I love dovewing, I wish hollyleaf was the third cat.
Jayfeather and Lionblaze steal all of Hollyleaf's powers and verbally berate their mother for 2 minutes
Now that would have been an interesting power for Hollyleaf: She herself doesn't get any, but whoever she is around randomly gets a power (or she's is the source of her brothers' powers and without her nearby, they have none).
@@CatoftheStorm genius, I genuinely love this😌👏👏
why do i imagine the place outside the clans being salt-flats. also jayfeather is out of sticks to hold. give him more!!!
HOW DID THIS GET SO MANY LIKES WHAT
Firestar: Says four words
Fox: Oh my god, I have to stop this
“Hilarious how much they hate their mother- my daughter”
Firestar… I will never understand how you didn’t do anything to help your kit being bullied and by her children and most of the clan
I mean in the real books he does try to persuade the three the forgive Leafpool and Squirrelflight at least a little. But Moonkitti's is just for comedy.
Wouldn't say they bullied them. They just kind of ignored them. Also, you can't really say that Leafpool and Squirrelflight did much effort towards reconciliation either.
Jayfeather wanted Leafpool to be a medicine cat again as soon as the fourth apprentice, btw.
holly’s true power is making sure the three didn’t get help from firestar
Her power is following the code-
I thought everyone knew that bruh. 🙄
The continuum must be maintained, no matter how nonsensical the writing gets.
:o *Holly leaf has no power-* Only follow the code xD
“I’m watching my descendants deal with upsetting prophecies about themselves” great video!
"how *dare* she give birth?"
I am in love with that line
AU: Jayfeather doesn’t have powers he just pretends he does and says every cat can do holly’s
"Maybe my powers are-"
"No."
"What about-"
"Nope"
"Well then it has to be-"
"Wrong again."
To be honest, this comment is perfect for almost every interaction hollyleaf and jayfeather have throughout the arc
Protagonists: **receive a prophecy from StarClan**
Firestar: "I observe all that transpires here, but I do not, cannot, will not interfere"
Yep. cause if he does, he'll end up losing a life to whatever darn thing the Erins do to stop a good conversation.
@@morningrosie3684 Yeah, it was a reference to the Marvel show What If...
He surely learned that the hard way…
Society if Firestar got involved:💥
"Maybe I could tell if-----"
"That's mine"
"What if-----"
"Also mine"
How about---"
"I do that too"
Every introvert’s mindset: don't get involved so the story can move forward and make sense. It won't if you get involved. You'll mess stuff up and the universe will stop you.” I have never identified with Firestar more.
My dog just died this morning and this just helped me feel a little better. Thank you :)
Aww ☹️ I'm sorry
I'm so sorry for your loss. Hope you feel better soon.
Sorry about your dog… giving you my best wishes🥺
Sorry for your loss 😔 My great grand father passed a couple of days ago so I feel your pain.
Y’all, Hollyleaf DOES have a power. She can talk to ghosts. Like Tree. Ahem- FALLEN LEAVESSSS
The whole time I was reading this arc I kept wondering, how come Firestar almost never has any involvement with the Three in regards to the prophecy, considering he knew about it well before they did.
see, this is the good explanation of why Firestar NEVER tells anybody anything! he already knows what's going to happen if he does
Why do I feel like Lionblaze sounds and acts just like Thor-
New headcanon: Lionblaze has Thor's voice
@@arrowskywalkertheweirdo Ooh yes 😯
“don’t get involved”
*gets involved*
Hollyleaf: the code is very important!
Ashfur: go drink water
Hollyleaf: *kill whith F I R E*
It's amusing that you said that, when he had tried to kill her with fire.
Firestar being useful
Firestar just listening for the tea.
Plot twist: *sandstorm likes fox and eats it when no one is looking*
Uh oh
She's actually grossed out that it touched the mice. She'd rather the fox have been put in her den where she can enjoy it in private.
@@9nikolai y e s
Berry nose: fox attacked the nursery honey fern with be in danger if she decides to have her kits in the next 5 minutes
Just like her mother
amazing truly wonderful
Lionblaze with a beard
The cursed image of Warrior Cats
Plot twist: It was Opposite Day, and they WANTED you to be involved
Hollyleafs power is making maps so she can find her chainsaws amd rules in the tunnels
Not involving myself involves involving myself in not involving myself involving myself nog involving myself not involving myself
"How DARE Leafpool give birth!"
Hollyleaf has the power of death.
No one:
Lionblaze: HOW DARE SHE GIVE BIRTH
firestar realizes his world is fake and free will is a lie
firestar: look our campfire is on fire
sandstorm: who put a dead fox on ma campfire?
*"How DARE she give BIRTH"*
Berry nose made me laugh so hard when he came out of nowhere
Bro predicted “Cannon Events” before they even existed
The intro is what I feel
Ah yes, I to have the power of indecisiveness Hollyleaf.
Thank you for making Lionblaze somewhat enjoyable xD
Hollyleaf is copying and pasting Jayfeathers powers with her non existent kitty computer
I honestly thought Hollyleaf's power was enforcing the warrior code, lol.
“This gross. Who put this here?” 😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
I thought that firestar became more like a recluse after dying and coming back
I ALWAYS COME BACK
@@okrightyeahsure he wasn't important until the last hope all the power of three and most of the omen of the stars he was a background character.
As useful as Celestia
the fact that it's actually animated so well scares me
Sandstorm: saw the dead fox
Sandstorm:"Who put this here!?"😾
Never knew predicting hairballs was a super power... I'm off to join the Avengers!!
This made me chuckle. Thanks, I needed that. :p
Ooh seems pretty accurate
AYE CONGRATS ON 200K MOON!!! :D
Why does everyone say that Lionblaze is boring? I actually found his chapters quite interesting
Hmmmm
Yeah lets not get involved then
Lionblaze lowkey sounds like Thor
Thank you I kinda needed this in my life .-.
1:32 LIONBLAZE’S SNAGGLETOOTH IS ADORABLE
I love these animations they are so cool!
Now this is a birthday present
Hi Firestar.
Hi Firestar.
Hi Firestar.
*DUNNDUNDUDUN*
when the plot has a personal vendetta against you
even firestar telling me dont get involved
Lion blaze could be the new thor! His voice is perfect!😊
I love how Firestar is a shortie ❤
I feel like Squirrelflight inherited the common sense from Sandstorm
Oh no! He's self aware!
I dropped everything I was doing as soon as I saw this vid
lesson learned
The way you write sandstorm kills me every time
How DARE she give birth.
the berrynose thing is hilarious
Oh no it’s main characters from each series