I want more Snowkit lore. You wanna know why? Because even though he only has one line, the line is "s'all right" and that is the best line ever. What personality he could've had
@@uni5396. I have an idea for an au where SpeckleTail kills the hawk but dies in the process. SnowKit is still alive but he had to watch his mother die to save him. He grows up feeling lesser than his clanmates and they carry on his beliefs through their actions. SnowKit gets treated horrible by his clanmates as they think he's the reason for SpeckleTail's death. Even BlueStar treats him horrible as she believes he is the message from StarClan that theyve turned their backs on ThunderClan. The apprentices feel bad for him though so they train him in secret. Basically SnowKit ends up as a badass and later takes on the name of SnowSpeckle to honor his mother. That's all i have for now but i might make it into a story or comic someday.
I'm hard of hearing and Snowkit literally traumatized me. I went from being so excited, so hopeful, from seeing a deaf character in my favorite series! I was already imagining all the ways I would be able to see myself in Snowkit as he grew up. I was already seeing myself in the way all the hearing adults in his life talked about him like he was furniture, not an actual living child standing right there. It was tough, but I had hope it would all come together. And then he died. I remember feeling like a popped balloon. For a 10 year old to see themselves in a character because of that character's disability, only for said character to die in the most terrifying way possible followed by the book going "well what do you expect? he had it coming by being deaf" felt so alienating and scary. I will never forgive Warriors for what they did to Snowkit, and what they did to a hard of hearing kid who didn't deserve to have their favorite book series tell them that their disability made them as good as dead. Thanks for covering my boy. In a better universe, I'm hoping this video was longer and talked about all the great things Snowkit did as a proud, deaf warrior.
I never thought of this! And in retrospect that makes Snowkits death even more traumatising - I'm sorry you had to go through that, I keep remembering that this is a kids book, which is going to be influencial
Honestly I felt the same way- and I'm an able-bodied person. I'm gonna chalk it up to my impression on characters with disabilities, that being Toph from Atla. So I had high hopes for Snowkit, believing he'll find a way to adapt to his circumstances. As a kid reading about Snowkit got me interested and excited on how they will tackle him as a character and to just have him die like that and so suddenly made me very upset. ESPECIALLY when other cats acted so nonchalant about him dying. Not to the extent of you however, I couldn't imagine feeling that way as a child.
Hey, thanks for talking about your experience and thoughts with this! I was thinking the exact same thing, since I genuinely didn't remember the books being this harsh towards any disabled cast. It _sucks_
Him being deaf made him stand out as distinctive and unique which made him feel like he was going to be important or do something and NOPE HE JUST DIES. Snowkit deserved SO MUCH BETTER and he SHOULD HAVE LIVED. The story would have been objectively more interesting had he survived. I'm able-bodied and I can still see that Snowkit being deaf made him seem more important than all the background cats that had no defining traits at all. The writers had no excuse for not realizing.
As always worth noting that people use "survival of the fittest" to justify the treatment of disabled characters in series like warriors incorrectly. Survival of the fittest being used to refer to disability is a modern, eugenicist reframing of the term that has no relation to what the term actually means. To be "fit" refers to ability to reproduce (aka adaptations to the environment that make it better suited to thrive than those without). Anyway I always found it a bit weird that they were like "see he's not taking training seriously" when like. he is a child. The whole thing is just baffling and uncomfortable
it's made weirder by the fact that one of the big points of arc 1 is that kits younger than 6 moons shouldn't be trained like... what did you expect???
I would’ve loved if he had grown up to become a main pov, similar to how Jayfeather is with his blindness. Like if he had been one of the cats to discover to the lake territories would’ve been amazing.
Fun fact about cat communication irl: adult cats only communicate to each other with pure body language. Maybe a hiss if they're threatened, or a vocalization to their kits or humans, but for the most part, they don't "talk" and don't actually need to hear each other to communicate. Warriors just need an excuse to have full blown conversations in ways their human audience can understand, and meowing is the obvious choice, apparently
honestly i feel like the lack of body language makes it super obvious that warriors is basically about fluffy humans bc its so obvious looking at cats that body language is primarily how they interact
More reasons why I think the “DISABLED CATS CANT BE WARRIORS” stuff the books keep saying is literal fox dung, especially if they can be autistic coded from an autistic person. Honestly the reason why I prefer fannon and the Clan Gen game over cannon because you don’t see them getting forced into the medicine cat or elder role,heck in Clan Gen can see them becoming leaders or deputy which I appreciate because it literally proves the books wrong! I remembered thinking that it was actually pretty sweet of one of my leaders to pick a three legged cat for their deputy, not because of something about them being three legged but because they believed them to be right for the job regardless of whatever permit conditions they have. I’ve literally watched a three legged cat climb up and down a flight of stairs and furniture, I can’t be convinced that being a medicine cat is somehow easier than a warrior, I’m sorry but I can’t.
@@magena120 honestly as someone whos seen the behaviour of disabled cats plus having a deaf cat myself, they do NOT give a fuck ab any disability they have lmao
As a deaf person, Snowkit's death was...incredibly disappointing. If he was just death fodder, *why* make him deaf? Why have Firestar and Bluestar constantly doubt he could be a warrior? Speckletail and Brackenfur almost seem to be portrayed as *unreasonable* or *naive* thinking that Snowkit could be a warrior and his death almost seems to prove them wrong? Plus there's never another deaf character beyond Snowkit (and the unnamed kit of Dappletail's, which again, also died). Also additionally, I hate the 'his hearing was restored in StarClan' so much, like bruh? He was born deaf, let him stay deaf. It's uncomfortablely close to the whole 'Disabled people are sad and unhappy unless they are abled' thing; Besides, I know many deaf ppl who choose not to wear hearing aids or cochlear implants and are perfectly satisfied with that.
Him getting his hearing back in StarClan did nothing but add salt in the wound. Don't get me wrong, I think it makes sense for some cats to be more abled in StarClan after they pass (I think it was said to be a choice disabled characters make when they enter), if I was Briarlight and I had the chance to use my legs again, I'd take it too. The difference is that Snowkit didn't even have time to become a character, AND his chances to be a warrior were unnecessarily doubted, AND he was, as you say, "death fodder". Man, what a grim term. I can imagine this whole arc of him growing up and the cats learning to communicate with him through physical motions. And cats already communicate through body language anyway so canonising that would not only be inclusive, but cool as hell! What a wasted opportunity.
This is like the moth’s wing thing. She just stops having ADHD randomly and as a person with ADHD myself that is just cruel to people who identified with her.
FR THO!! i dont understand how they introduced him in the book and straight away killed him. Like what was the point of writing in that he was deaf? at least let the hawk kill him.another book but its still cruel. He shouldve beengiven a proper chance
I remember being so disappointed that Firestar never gave Brightheart an apprentice. She was my favourite character and I just wanted to see her shine and maybe even get a chance to be deputy. I just wish she and all the other disabled characters were treated better.
I think the scariest thing about Warriors and disability is how absolutist and cruel it is. Briarlight, Deadfoot and Jayfeather are the only ones given any sort of chance to prove themselves. The rest are thrown into the elder's den and all but forgotten. And then you get the insulting 'but in starclan they are healed!' mentality. This along with the abusive nature of some romances really makes me ponder wtf the writers are thing at times.
I think that's a reach, to be fair. There's also Nightstar, Crookedstar, Jagged Peak, Gray Wing, Finleap, One-eye/White-eye, Brokenstar, and Shadowsight (although they did randomly stop talking about Shadowsight's seizures). As far as StarClan goes, I'm not sure why a spirit would have bodily limitations. As a disabled person, I think that would suck a lot lol
@@joltyflare Shadowsight’s seizures were handled so poorly. They held him down and treated it like it was the correct procedure to do. Which, is incredibly dangerous not only for the person having the seizure but the people trying to restrain them. Keep in mind warriors is a kids franchise. Young kids probably don’t know what the CORRECT thing to do in that situation is and will take it at face value. Also just because warriors has a few good cases of disability representation does not mean we should ignore the bad cases. There was literally a scene in Squirrelflight’s hope where Sandstorm basically pointed at Briarlight and said “Look at how happy she is now that she’s not disabled!” As if being disabled is a fate worst then death. Which is awful. Snowkit was only k!lled off for...tension I guess? They didn’t NEED to make him deaf and then turn around when he was k!lled and say that this is it what the audience should have expected. That was completely unnecessary. And I personally think it’s bad that they made it so starclan cats would not have disabilities because healing disabled characters is already such a bad trope. And if we’re going by the lore that starclan cats appear as they were most happiest in life. That sort of implies that disabled people cannot be happy (I apologize if im reaching a bit). Also, if a character is disabled upon birth why should they be healed in death? And I personally find it uncomfortable how warriors will rename their disabled characters to point out how their disabled. One-eye. Deadfoot. And while Lostface and Crookedjaw aren’t as bad sense they showed that it was wrong and the characters were upset by it. They even changed Lostface’s name (luckily) it’s still something to consider.
@@birdseatingbirds5897 No, the books are targeted towards a young audience, young adults just happen to read the books too. Many children fantasy books are known to be violent, take a look at Wings of Fire or Percy Jackson, that doesn’t automatically make them made for adults.
@@onyxtheowl24 It used to be believed that holding someone down with a seizure was the correct thing to do. People nowadays are getting educated not to, but its still a common misconception and piece of incorrect medical advice given out. I noticed the moment they described holding him down that the Erins were never taught the correct way to deal with a seizure, but it could also have just been when they were doing the research the sources were messed up. And as someone who is also disabled, I think its important to consider the difference between physical disabilities and other kinds of disabilities. Because physical ones tend to be the ones that aren't as held to identity and desired to keep (there are exceptions, such as being deaf). But telling everyone that they can be just as happy being disabled as not, if they are not feeling happy about being disabled, feels really sucky. Its a disability for a reason, and it doesn't always feel great to have. Mental disabilities are usually different in that they are sometimes very core to a person (provided its not some disorders, that do have cures or can be treated to a state of minimizing symptoms which is preferred). But acting like some disabilities aren't better off going without isn't a message you need to throw on everyone, when people with those disabilities can speak for themselves.
the fact that fireheart basically says ‘how that kit is deaf sooo upsetting he cant be a warrior’ is infuriating. there was no reason to make snowkit deaf, he was just kill fodder. its just salt into the wound of ableism constantly apparent in warrior cats.
i feel like as a deaf person snowkit is just a huge slap in the face and i can’t stand snowkit fand because a good 98% of them are literally hearing or abled people who feed into the idea that a deaf person could not function in a normal society because of one thing they simply cannot do; hear. i think it wouldve been fine if snowkit was deaf and had lived a good life as a warrior or had died fighting for what was right for his clan or himself. he was not a character. he was a plot point. any development wasn’t considered for him. the fact that so many hearing people feed into this stereotype that deaf people are helpless creatures makes me want to drop the community entirely. it feels like as a deaf person i do not have a sense of belonging in this community. they love snowkit but if you make a deaf warrior they’ll lose their mind on you because its unrealistc or “they wont be a good warrior because they cant hear. they need to be a healer.” absolutely mind-boggling.
@@streetmurder I'm an able-bodied person- but I wholeheartedly agree with you dude. I legit cannot understand how people of this Fandom will say a deaf cat functioning in the society of warrior cats is impossible and or that they can never be a warrior when it's so untrue on so many levels. It's not only just irl cats, but just the whole nature of saying you can never be capable just because of a disability when we see so many people with them do incredible things even on their own. Deaf and blind cats irl are just as capable of being able to hunt and or play or even fight, animals, especially cats don't give up so easily, even animals who have lost function in limbs, they will keep going regardless.
@@bobtheball5384 For me I think if they develop the blindness as an apprentice or a warrior it could really work as they develop sign language, but if they are born with it I don’t think it would be possible due to the fact of they don’t know what all these tail twitching means, kind of like watching someone do math but since you can’t hear you don’t know what the symbol means. I am able bodied and I do not speak for any deaf people. I think a deaf character would be great and I Absolutey don’t think they are helpless, look at the skyclan cat for example. But cats born with it leaves them with no way to hear what it all means.
He says that with Cinderpelt too. I wish Fireheart had tried harder to make it so that Cinderpaw could train to be a warrior. Cloudtail was fiercely adamant about Brightheart becoming a warrior, and Longtail was angered that Swiftpaw wasn't being made a warrior. I know he was needed to be Cloudpaw's mentor and all but, like, it's a bummer we didn't see him fiercely defend Cinderpaw's status as a future warrior. Even if it didn't work, I would have liked to see him try harder.
@@M3RK_Crash I mean. A child learning sign language is the same as a child learning any other language? Babies don’t come out of the womb knowing how to speak perfect English, they’re taught it by their parents as they grow up. Sign language would be the same, the only difference is that the input is sight instead of sound.
I’ve always loved Snowkit! It’s cool they included a deaf character in Warrior Cats, even if he was short lived, I hope one day that we get another deaf character that actually lives till adulthood and DOESN’T become a medicine cat so we can see their struggles to become a warrior despite being deaf, I hate the ablest writing when they just ship cats off to the medicine den or just kill them off, it sucks and a deaf warrior that’s a pov character would be a good change of pace!
that thing idk if there will ever be another disabled character who could become a warrior since i dont think we've had a new disabled cat since squirrelflight's hope for obvious reasons
I really like this fanfiction called Snatched: The Story of Snowkit. In the fanfiction Snowkit is dropped by the hawk and lands in a different forest filled with some loners and SkyClan descendants. Then he’s tasked by StarClan to help this group create a new Clan there. He gets to learn sign language and also read lips
That one was so good! And there was one where he used his tail to read the vibrations in someone's throat. And he got the name Snowhawk. Or maybe that was the same story? I don't remember, its been a minute. I've got to go find it and read it again.
I don't care what canon says Snowkit was dropped by the Hawk in a bush and he got adopted into a loving family or something else wholesome and he lived a perfectly fulfilled life
I want to make a type of fake super edition/novella like this but snowkit drops into a bush, survives until being found by either a family of wild cats that are in storm clan (search it up you might be able to find something about it) or loners and survives to become a strong warrior that can work around his disability for hunting/fighting with his other scents. I have already made a cover for my vision.
I honestly find it funny that they avoid the fact that tail signals are a thing with this....heck Shadowclan has a whole entire kitty sign language with their tails, and the other clans have some form of tail signal cue. Snowkit should of lived and I feel it would be interesting if he lived.
ngl if they instead made it so Snowkit had to stay back in the nursery when he was 6 moons old, got attacked by a hawk like a moon later, and got named an apprentice for fighting it off, it would have been sick as hell
Hey Moonkitti! Can you please do a mini-talk about Thrushpelt? He had a crush on Bluefur and didn't flip out that Bluefur liked someone else, unlike AshFur. When Bluefur told him that she was pregnant, he automatically took on the role of the kit's father, and I'm not sure this is Canon or not, but I think Thrushpelt took care of Mosskit in StarClan. When the kits went missing, it was said he mourned like a father. He is also an underrated character and is just a good boy.
I suddenly need an AU where Snowkit gets to grow up. What new techniques could he create to help other deaf cats, the way Brightheart and Cloudtail learned to compensate for half blindness? What kind of relationships might he have had with other cats? Would he have been really good on patrol since he would be more used to using smells to identify things around him? Could Brackenfur have mentored him and developed tail-based sign language? What sort of outrageous shenanigans could have resulted from him meeting Jayfeather? I wish we saw more disabled cats learning to get along just fine with their disabilities without it just being 'uh, here, go be a medicine cat and/or die for the plot, thanks'.
@@Lari_crescent_moon If I were an animator I totally would. Maybe a fanfic though if writing warriors fanfic ever strikes me. We could just boot out Brambleclaw from TNP and have Snowkit eventually become Snowstar. 👀
Theres like fifthy snowkit story in AO3 Also deaf cats mostly only happen to white cats with blue eyes. So as long as cats with blue eyes have babies with not white cats with not blue eyes its fine
@@scarfstrings.134 I mean sure but this book series long ago decided it didn't care about real cat genetics so theoretically anyone could pop out another Snowkit at any time lol.
I was interested in the way that speckletail was so overprotective of Snowkit because I think she could tell he was deaf. She clearly wanted him to be perceived as a regular kit even with his disability, and she was against anyone trying to speak about how her Kit can’t become an apprentice. He clearly showed that he could, even though he was extremely close to his mom and preferred to play with her than try to be an apprentice. I love aus where he does survive and becomes a big part of the clan that isn’t being a medicine cat
Looking at the logistics of him, the hawk thing makes sense as a stand alone freak accident. Not as a part of a longer ongoing muddied series, but if a very tiny short story happened and it was that scene alone re-formatted to be a stand alone short story, it would make sense, if THAT makes sense? A pure white kitten seemingly left alone in the middle of a clearing that's only there because a fire burned through the area, giving the bird better access to a new hunting spot, and the kitten can't hear the yelling or the hawk or anything. That'd be a short tragic story with a moral somewhere along the lines of you have to help those who need it the most / don't assume everyone has the same ability to do xyz as you / etc etc. But in the long run of the series, it leaves a very weird after taste.
I’d argue even then it’s pushing it a little? That clearing had multiple adult cats walking around shortly before they noticed the hawk already swooping down, I don’t think it would’ve taken that risk knowing there was a threat for honestly what seems like very minuscule reward depending on how big or old the animal is? Not trying to argue but it just definitely has me questioning the logistics of it concerning how predatory birds work.
On the topic of deaf cats being able to catch prey irl: my cousin has a deaf cat, and she brings mice home every second day or so. Also, there are many cues a deaf cat could respond to - cousin's fiance uses taps on the ground to get the cat's attention, or tapping on the food bowl to tell the cat its dinner time; this is can be a cat-by-cat situation. I'd like to mention that my cousin's cat is a grown, female version of Snowkit-
I've actually asked this a while back on the Warrior Cats subreddit If Snowkit's death counts as Fridging or not I'm honestly not but sure but I think it does count for those of you who don't know what Fridging is it's basically where a character is killed off only for the purpose to hurt another more important character If you want a more in-depth explanation there's a video by overly sarcastic Productions about Fridging
the only reason I wouldn't say it was fridging is because their wasn't really a character in this situation. Typically fridging uses a well established character to go off of. But at the same time, I think in technically yes-ish? He dies solely to create drama with sandstorm and fireheart by not having enough apprentices to go around.
I would say it is fridging because a marginalized character was killed to create drama and push Fireheart in a certain direction. Snowkit is essentially dehumanized (decatized?) and not treated like his own character, but rather as an object to advance the plot.
I have a deaf character named Snowfoot, who’s partially inspired by snowkit but also inspired by typical snow shows that allow you to walk over snow without sinking. He’s gentle and whip smart, and his brother, Copperfoot, and his father Dimblaze are deeply defensive of him. He’s known for being an excellent fighter, due to his sharper eyes and inability to get distracted by distant screams and taunts. Notably, as part of my worldbuilding, he’s also a very good asset for his Clan against one of their enemies, EchoClan. EchoClan, who lives in a rocky, gorge filled territory, tends to fight by leading their enemies astray by sending echoes down valleys in misleading ways to separate their enemies. Snowfoot often leads battle patrols when fighting EchoClan bc he’s completely immune to this strategy, allowing him to keep his cats in line. His Clan also organized a kind of mock sign language to keep him in the loop, which kits basically grow up learning now. The cats are smart enough to do math and have an organized religion. They can take care of a deaf cat.
@@Goose-pic unfortunately, I haven’t made his story interesting enough for a full book, even a novella. He really is just a partial side character who happens to be deaf lol. I have typed up a little five chapter thing for him, since I was close to giving him a romance with an EchoClan she-cat, but I’m fairly sure I lost it😭
I wish Snowkit wasn't killed off cause like, you could do so much interesting things with him. Like, sure, there's the medicine cat choice, but I like to think of like a Toph-esc idea where he uses like vibrations or something to tell if someone or something is close, or you could do like how cats sign and stuff. It's just so cool to think about and saddens me that it was never ment to be
hoping for a video focusing on crookedstar and or rainflower as one of the few examples of a mother in warrior cats being **intentionally** written as abusive, or on a more positive side, crookedstar being one of the only disabled cats who doesn’t get shoved into the medicine cat role
Or dumped into the Elders' den. Finleap is a good candidate too. His character arc is one of the best in the entire series, in my opinion, and he is one of my favourite characters. He handled the loss of his tail so well and he gained the mental maturity to realize Twigbranch's wants were important to him as well. I would love to see him get his own book someday!
I think someone interesting to do a mini-talk about would be Flutterfoot. He’s a WindClan cat and has never appeared in a book outside of the allegiances. He has a very cute name and could lead into a conversation about other non-existent cats, or how WindClan is severely underused, or or the quantity > quality the books have adopted.
also “don’t ever care about my son again” killed me 😭 but yeah, snowkit is a character i like but it’s a huge yikes that he’s teh only deaf character that i can remember in warriors. they totally could have had a deaf kit who survives and makes a warrior
Ikr! I mean it’s a fictional story, Ofc they could have made a deaf cat a warrior! And it would have been interesting to have a disabled cat actually rise to deputy or leader, and see the struggles they would have to face to achieve this.
Featherkit was also a white, blue-eyed kit born to Dappletail. He was a definite side character though, and 'probably' died to foxes. Yeah, they didn't even give him a actual death. So they killed both of their deaf cats when they were kits.
@@CertifiedGirlkisserCrookedstar essentially. I guess having a broken jaw could count especially his struggles as a kit and not being able to be an apprentice at the same time as his brother
I'm taking ASL in high school right now, and OH GOD does Snowkit's death upset me even more now. As mentioned in the books, white cats with blue eyes are more likely to be born deaf. I think we could introduce a character who is born deaf, joins the Clan and show them that they can hunt and care for themself without issue, and then have their own little family where being deaf is a trait passed down through generations. If Deaf people can have their own community, why can't anthropomorphized cats living in the woods? Heck, if they're forced out of their Clans, they can form their own where they use their ways of communication. The football huddle was started by a Deaf team after all, so maybe the other Clans would learn something from it.
I think the biggest reason is… he wouldn’t be able to learn what they meant. Of course you are learning sign language but you can hear making it easier to learn, most death people have some sort of hearing aid or developed it later so they have a basic understanding of reading or signals. Snowkit was born purely death which would be next to impossible to teach due to the fact of him not knowing what anything means.
@@M3RK_Crash Not to be "that guy," but it is spelled deaF, not deaTH. Deaf means you cannot hear, death means something/someone is dead. Ex: "Most deaf people use a hearing aid or develop it later so they have a basic understanding of reading or signals. Snowkit was born fully deaf."
Ok, oral language is not inherently easier to learn, in fact, sign language and speech when taught to infants show no difference in how fast they learn the language - it’s hard for you and me because we do not know ASL, like it’s hard for me to learn Italian when I don’t speak that language currently. ASL isn’t even the only non verbal form of communication out there - guess what we’re doing right now. Animals already use body language to communicate to one another, especially cats because they only meow to communicate with their owners, and deaf cats communicate fine with other cats, like deaf people can find ways to communicate with others even barring ASL. (This isn’t in response to the original commenter but to the person below them)
@@ZirconiaGacha yeah, the vibrations themselves are also proven to help those with problems regarding their bones, tiny fun fact. Cats if anything are highly specialized in touch and smell, their eyesight of course being pretty good and their hearing indeed being sensitive, but that sensitivity is often in regards to defense against predators, and even then with their whiskers giving an added bonus in overall vibrational awareness in a given area it’s likely they’d more easily adjust to being deaf whether they were born with it or gained hearing impairment over time.
About the cats don't nod thing, you are correct that they usually don't, but my strange little kitty nods whenever we talk to her. It's so weird and cute!
Snowkit has always hold a special place in my heart💜.Whenever a cat is talking to starclan in the books, I always put Snowkit and Speckletail randomly in the background, playing around minding their own business living the a happy afterlife.
I always saw him as the final straw for bluestar. I dont think his deafness was really ment for anything but mild drama with his poor mom. If he lived im absolutely sure he would have made a fine warrior.
I really love the aspect of mentorship in warriors, btw. It's such a unique bond that presents many opportunities for friendship and skills building from both warrior and apprentice. Being a mentor means you are not just a young willy nilly anymore, it means you're entrusted with helping to raise a new clan member and for some time, you become the moving force in kits forming of relationships around the clan, both with its fellow apprentices and with new warriors. You become their new center figure in life to decide their fate and adapt their abilities to warriors life's needs. Drama about mentors making up exercises and strategies and teaming up for group lessons and learning how to work with their apprentices special abilities and disabilities was also plenty fun.
Snowkit dying always annoyed me. Because even if he would be at a disadvantage in combat or hunting (which, doubt) - being a warrior is supposedly more than that anyway? He could've been a mentor or a camp guard easily. They could've had it that he often helps the queens (especially since he likely would've been very fond of his mother after how persistent she was??) or travel with the medicine cats when gathering herbs or to visit starclan. He could've been really interesting even as a background feature, honestly.
I actually believe Snowkit could have been trained to be a warrior if he had lived. Cats in real life communicate nonverbally through body movements, such as the curvature of their tails. If someone in ThunderClan had adopted a tail gesture system like Speckletail tried to teach him and used some other forms of nonverbal communication, Snowkit could have become a warrior, though it might have taken an extra moon or two to ensure he could communicate with other warriors freely with this system. Just because he was deaf does not mean some type of system could not have been introduced to still communicate with him nonverbally.
I remember when I was little Snowkit's death was just "cool dramatic moment showing how harsh life in the forest is" but throughout my life he's really stuck with me, especially all the wasted opportunity he represents. I have an AU where Bloodclan wins the battle for the forest, but also Speckletail gets a chance to advocate for another deaf kit when a lesbian couple leaves Bloodclan to join the kits and elders with their deaf daughter. Said deaf kit ends up developing cat sign language with the clan cats, and Speckletail gets to mentor her :)
Out of all the deaths in the books, Snowkit's is one I remember vividly. His death is honestly the most morbid out of all of them simply because of how he was written.
I really wish they kept snow kit in, he could’ve had so much potential to show us how a deaf warrior adapted to their duties. Cats already talk through signals even in the series so I wish they did that
While it's pretty well-known at this point that the Warriors series has a huge problem with disabled representation, deaf characters seemed to get the short end of the already short stick. They literally made an otherwise young and healthy Fallowfern retire specifically because she lost her hearing.
I feel like if he was left alive, he could have developed a system of either sign language or written language to help hearing-impaired and mute cats for the rest of the series or something. He had potential, but honestly it just seems like another “disabled people useless, take them away” moment from the erins
I think an AU where Snowkit lives and ends up moving to ShadowClan would be cool. It’s loosely established that ShadowClan has a system of visual cues used for hunting, battle, tracking, etc, and I think it’d be fun to see him learn about that. I think that’s the closest thing Warriors has to kitty sign language
i feel like palebird would be an interesting topic! she doesn’t get talked about a lot, and i feel like she has an interesting experience compared to a lot of other queens. thank you!
I have seen a lot of fanworks and roleplay servers that employ a kind of cat sign language and I genuinely am surprised why no one considers this a possibility in fiction about cats, who generally only vocalize for humans or babies.
I think the reason why Brackenfur was the one the Erin’s chose to save Marshkit was because of Snowkit. He wanted to save Snowkit from a hawk but was unable to since he was too late, but this time he beat the hawk and saved Marshkit. Maybe he felt really guilty for not saving Snowkit and he felt like helping Marshkit would free him from that endless guilt
I would love to see a main POV warrior character who is deaf, partially because it would be so intresting to read their perspective. Like, they would have to rely a lot more on body language, maybe developing a kind of secret code: which could be used for sending messages if there was a tense scene! With all the the wild stuff that happens I think Warrior Cats Sign Language would hardly be the weirdest thing to happen. Also having a warrior whose deaf could just be really lovely representation. That's all.
I will never stop being pissed about snowkit's death. He's specifically singled out as having a distinctive trait, which gives him more importance than other more meaningless background characters. And then he F***ING DIES to a COMPLETELY CONTRIVED EVENT. There is NO ACTUAL REASON he couldn't have grown up and become a perfectly competent warrior and done LITERALLY ANYTHING.
Great video! I was born hard of hearing and had to get hearing aids in 2nd grade. As a middle schooler reading the books I immediately related to snowkit and grew attached to him. Even though I already knew he was going to die, it still broke my heart watching him get carried away. When I started going to highschool I took ASL classes and it opened up a whole new world. As someone with hearing parents, I was never really able to connect to deaf culture beforehand. Being able to learn sign language and deaf culture was amazing and felt like I was starting to become apart of a community I never had the chance to meet. It also made me realize something about snowkit. As grateful as I am that people are making au’s about snowkit living, I feel as though snowkits representation in fanon isn’t quite accurate. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s not problematic or anything, I wouldn’t consider any maps offensive. But all of them seemed to depict snowkit like a normal cat which is simply not true. They never really seemed to embrace deaf culture despite trying to celebrate a deaf character. The only exception being The next up forever map. It seemed like everyone was saying snowkit could be a warrior, but now one was asking how could he be a warrior. I would love to see a map about snowkit that actually focuses on how he had to learn to be a warrior and communicate with his clanmates. You mentioned this a bit in the video, but they already use visual ques to communicate to eachother, so why can’t snowkit invent some sort of sign language for himself and friends? I know that might sound silly, but cats of deaf owners have in fact learned how to “sign” to their owners. Why can’t snowkit do the same? Maybe sometime in the future I will make that map, im to busy currently though. But again, great video! You addressed everything in the best way!
I would absolutely have loved it if Snowkit had survived and been a main POV at some point. My favorite idea I've been able to come up with so far is if the eagle carried him to the mountains (as that's where eagles are shown to live in the series) and he spends a while learning to live there, and learns ways to avoid the hawks before much later wandering off and finding the lake area where all of the clans have moved. I feel like it would have been really fun to have him grow up and face struggles on his own, he could have made such a wonderful character.
I'm so glad that you talked about him! I immediately found snowkit very interesting and was hoping to read more about him. How he interacts with others and every day things, how he'd grow up and how he would be trained. I was and am still pretty sad and disappointed when he died just like that.
Maybe you should do YellowFang next! I haven’t seen you do her, but I personally like her as a character and I think she’s pretty interesting! But what I Also like is she was the last female medicine cat in Shadowclan (from what I counted, it also makes it more interesting)
I mostly remember cloudpaw (kit?) going “Well I’m sure glad that I wasn’t born deaf, being white with blue eyes!” And Fireheart going “uh huh” and not really listening.
Hi moon! I really love your content and your artistic ability. I especially love your humor and your analysis. Thank you for posting this amazing content. It absolutely makes my day whenever I watch your channel!
i'm hearing but my cat is partially deaf (she had a tumor in her left ear, and to remove it the vet had to remove the internal structure of that ear). but she is perfectly capable of fighting, hunting, and climbing trees. while she may not be fully deaf, i hope this gives insight to those who STILL believe snowkit never would've been able to be a warrior. oh and, yes, the tumor is gone and hasn't come back, and my cat is a lil grandma now but she's healthy, safe, happy, and loved.
i remember distinctly thinking a lot about snowkit, especially since i had a little bit of time to think about him as i couldn't read for the rest of the school day. I was so curious to find out how they would deal with this kit who is deaf, like they did with jayfeather, only for the literal next scene being him snatched away by a hawk and his mother screams in sorrow bc even though she has protected him for so long already, it wasnt enough. it made me so sad
Could you talk about Tawnypelt next? I think she has a really interesting storyline, being tigerstar's offspring, switching clans, allying with thunderclan (in the later series)… and I think it could make for a good video. :)
Cats : Hardly communicates verbally and uses body language to talk to each other. The Erins : This deaf kit would never have a normal life, so we mercifully killed him off so we could also throw his mom in the old cat den and forget about her even more.
I have a AU where snowkit gets saved by the tribe of rushing water and lives with them until the clans have to leave he joins the traveling clans and jaypaw ( feather ) becomes his apprentice
I have a personal concept for a fic/future storyline where Snowkit was able to wriggle free from the hawk and fell into a lake, where he was able to swim to dry land and eventually (by whatever means) grows up and travels a Lot and makes it to the lake, where he ends up befriending an apprentice in secret (secret of the apprentice, who doesn’t want to lose their new friend by telling the leader about this random rogue near their territory) and eventually he’s found out, and is recognized by Bramblestar and returns to the clans.
I wish Snowkit would of lived. I would of absolutely loved to of read like a super addition all about his struggles of learning and growing up in the clan and becoming a warrior! I was so disappointed that they introduced him and killed him off. They had such a good chance to make a great character.
The way Snowkit was treated by the authors gave me inspiration to make an OC. Yokai, a kittypet, is a cat who has four ears in total, a small pair growing from the bases of their main ears. Ironically, due to this, they're completely deaf. They're treated well by their twolegs and neighbor cats, even developing cat sign language. Yokai has a positive attitude and white fur, similar to Snowkit.
I have a self-insert who's deaf and wants to be a medicine cat. Starclan speaks to her in her mind to tell her what others are saying, shown by her ears twitching. And I had a deaf kitten, where he only reacted to a trumpet playing loudly (he probably felt the vibration)
I have a deaf semi-feral cat that we saw eating a dead bird! We all presumed that she caught it, and she also goes out into the neighborhood daily. Proof deaf cats can hunt lol. Love ur vids moonkitti :)
There were blind cats. But also I want to know why Snowkit says "s'all right" and if it had to do with lip reading or if it was a random sound he made that Fireheart interpreted as words. I don't mind the Snowtuft "theory" or as an AU but as an AU it needs more lore to it. Then again, it could be a similar scenario to Needletail where he thinks his Clanmates didn't look for him. Or where he eventually returns and finds Speckletail dead and believes it's their fault somehow. I think the authors are better writing disabled characters like Jayfeather when it comes to them being protagonists. They're better at explaining through the eyes of a cat how they perceive things with their senses.
I totally forgot that they made Snowkit hearing in Starclan. Like it’s bad enough that he was yet another disabled character that was told that he “couldn’t be a warrior” and that he was killed off, but did they ALSO need to make the part of his “happy” afterlife him no longer being disabled??? I already have bad feelings about them doing that to characters who acquired disabilities, but a kitten born disabled and living in literal heaven wouldn’t be able to be “cured” in death, because it was how he was born. Likewise, if Starclan makes you appear when you were happiest (which is the excuse for most other disabled characters being “cured” in Starclan) that doesn’t apply to someone who never experienced life while hearing. Also, imagine how upsetting that would be to a literal child, to die and then wake up with an entirely new, loud sense, without any warning,
I'm hoping for a talking on Jayfeather. He's always been my favorite of the POT siblings. He didn't take his position as medicine cat with grace as Cinderpelt did, and I really like that. I like that he wanted to become a warrior despite being blind, and I wish he had been a warrior. He acts rough on the outside, but is soft on the inside. And I love how Andrew narrates him-his voice fits Jay perfectly. But something that bugged me was that they just shoved him into the medicine den. Blind cats can make their way around as well. It always bothered me that Jayfeather was shoved into the medicine den, when I will never forget a passage that was in Lionpaw's POV. He saw his brother racing through the forest "as if StarClan were guiding his paws" during a patrol to fight off ShadowClan I think-Lionpaw had to tell Jaypaw where a cat was, but Jaypaw's whiskers alone would be able to do so. I'VE SEEN cats with literal no eyes in their heads move around as if they did have eyes, as if they could see. If the writers are going to go more and more into the FANTASY element, then they need to start realizing that leaning on more real world things just won't make sense in the long run.
My porblem with Jayfeather is the fact Jayfeather's interactions never indicated it's blind. If you start reading after po3 you probably won't even realize he's blind and that kinda bothers me. What was the point of making him blind? To make him a medicine cat? He already had special connection powers so he's probably gonna be a medicine cat regardless anyways. But I like him cause most medicine cat have similar personality.
@@scarfstrings.134 I like that in a way. By that point in the series, he's finally gotten everyone to respect him in spite of what they initially thought of his disability. You don't have cats constantly pitying him and bringing up his blindness. Reading from his point of view is fun too because it shows in detail what his other senses show him without him having to see, rather than bringing up his blindness. It's quite clever because of how subtle it is.
@@joltyflare Good point but it feels kinda weird for a story to show us we need to be accepting and tolerant of different people but not acknowledging those things that make them different. Don't know how to describe it exactly
Not only do the cats nod their heads, gesture with their tails and ears, etc, but they also on at least two instances have literally mouthed words to each other. Once in firestar's quest (Firestar and sandstorm are with skywatcher, sandstorm mouths "Yellowfang!" to firestar) and once again in a vision of shadows (i dont remember the specific context of this one.) To me, if this was intended to be something the cats are just Able to do, this proves it wouldnt have been out of the question for snowkit to learn to lip read or something. But even aside from that the cats could have developed some kind of cat sign language using their tails and visual cues
I feel like snowkit wouldn’t be able to learn that stuff due to him being born deaf from birth. Obviously as humans we have hearing aids and other resources such as that and we also have writing and reading which if the deafness develops later in life you can learn the sign language through text. But in snowkits case being born deaf means he barely knows words and he won’t know what a specific signal means. I think the idea of a deaf cat could work later in life (look at the skyclan cat)
Hello, I'm a fan and just stumbled across this video, and decided to make a couple chapter worth's of an AU I had in the back of my mind for a while where Snowkit survived! (And wasn't a plot device) Snowkit screamed as the cruel talons fastened themselves onto his back. Firestar raced forward, but Speckletail was faster still. As the hawk lifted off, Speckletail sprang upward and snagged her claws in the white kit's fur. For a couple agonizing moments both cats dangled from the hawk's claws. Fireheart launched himself into the air, but they were too high. Then the hawk released the kit with one foot and swiped at Speckletail's face. It missed, and the queen hissed loudly, reaching her head over and biting into the hawk's other leg. The hawk screeched and lost grip on Snowkit, as well as Speckletail. The kitten and his mother fell, hitting the ground quickly, both with scrapes from the blow of the ground, as well as some deep talon-marks on Snowkit's back. Immediately, Cinderpelt and many other of the cats swarmed around the cats, nervous for each of their health, but more so for Snowkit. The medicine cat gave a serious look to Fireheart, who had ran to her side, next to Snowkit, "Get me cobwebs, and moss, quickly!' She ordered ordered in a hurry. Fireheart immediately did as he was told, running to Cinderpelt's den. He made his way to the medicine storage, and grabbed a ball of moss, and using his paw to wrap the cobweb around. He was unsure of how much Cinderpelt needed, but he guessed quite a bit, so he nearly used all of the cobweb while wrapping a single paw, and he also made sure to grab more then one ball of moss. When he returned, the area around Snowkit had splats of blood all over, and Speckletail was crouching over her son, whom had blood staining his entire back, while she only had a few scrapes from the hard blow to the ground. Cinderpelt was relieved and quickly took the moss balls into her grasp, placing them onto the wounds which were still bleeding, "Hold the moss balls there, Speckletail." She mewed. As Speckletail nodded and lay her paws down onto her kit's back, holding the moss balls in place, Cinderpelt beckoned Fireheart over with her tail. He'd hurry over, "Yes?" He asked, a bit clueless, "The cobweb." The medicine cat mewed in a hurried tone, as if it were obvious. Fireheart nodded vigorously, allowing Cinderpelt to unwrap his paw covered in cobweb, and then watched her do her work, wrapping the kit around the torso, with Speckletail helping a bit here and there. "Is he going to live?" The queen immediately asked after Cinderpelt finished wrapping the kit in cobwebs, "We'll see, Speckletail. He's a healthy kit, but the wounds are deep, and I see nothing else I can do for him." Her head hung low, and Speckletail was obviously scared, angry, and shocked all in one, big, crumpled bit of emotions. "Don't worry," Fireheart chimed in, "I'm sure he'll be okay, as Cinderpelt said, he's a well-grown, healthy kit." Speckletail seemed to brighten, before her gaze fell back down, and she looked unconvinced. Snowkit wriggled a bit, and squeaked in pain as he tried to heave himself up, "Wow, wow, wow. Calm down now." Cinderpelt urged the kit a bit with her nose, pushing him gently into a laying position, "Oh, my kit!" Speckletail cried out, a mixture of worry and joy, as she curled around her son. He'd curl up, but winced a bit when his back made a cracking noise. "Speckletail," Cinderpelt looked at the queen, who looked back with a hint of worry in her gaze. Her eyes hardened, "Yes, Cinderpelt?" The medicine cat sat down, and gently mewed, "I'll need to check on your son every day, for a while, just to make sure he keeps healthy." She paused, waiting for a defensive reply. Instead, Speckletail hung her head low and sighed, before mewing, "Yes, I. . Suppose that's the best thing for him. But you'd better expect me to be there while you check up on him!" Cinderpelt was relieved, "Of course, you can stay by his side the entire time." (So I'm gonna end this here for now because it's late at night and I'm tired- but I'll be continuing in a future day)
When I was younger I wrote a fanfic about Snowkit surviving the Hawk and growing up in the wild as a loner/rogue, learning to hunt and survive on his own and trying to return home to his clan.
I got a tiger plush, and I named him snowkit in honor of Snowkit. I literally had to explain to my parents why the name, and they were heartbroken about snowkit. I feel like if snowkit became a warrior, he would be snowtuft
Hey Moonkitti! I'd like to see a talking on Quiet Rain! I feel like her sending her three sons away from the mountains was a big move in her character development! And also let's not forget old Quiet Rain just yelling at her own adult son!
I loved this talking video! It really dived into Snowkit. I always loved Snowkit, I was so sad when he died. I would love to see you do a talking video on Heathertail. It was interesting what happened to her with Lionblaze and Breezepelt. I’d love to see you dive into her POV.
It’s pretty sad, SnowKit could’ve been a very interesting and very in depth character. Vicki could’ve made him a main character and had his challenges in view as a main character, it really would’ve been great, and a cat with some sort of disability like brightheart could’ve taught him how to learn with accommodations. They really missed a really fleshed out, interesting character and just made him die just because it would go with the times, like they could’ve made an elder, warrior or just anyone die and it would have had the same effect. I appreciate the fact that you made a video on something that really rubbed me the wrong way.
I’d say they stated Snowkit not being able to hunt as a fact despite it realistically being false because the cats themselves did not know a deaf cat would be able to hunt, since the only deaf kit they had to go off of at the time was one who died young as well. Though that’s probably wrong lmao
"Snowkit then responds with his only line in the series,"
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Snowkit: Liberty mutual
Snowkit: Virbo
Snowkit: This is a Nissan-
Snowkit: I can’t believe that *we* were actually put on pause-
Snowkit: PC Optimus points app
Snowkit: *silent ad for League of Legends*
I want more Snowkit lore. You wanna know why? Because even though he only has one line, the line is "s'all right" and that is the best line ever. What personality he could've had
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@@uni5396. I have an idea for an au where SpeckleTail kills the hawk but dies in the process. SnowKit is still alive but he had to watch his mother die to save him. He grows up feeling lesser than his clanmates and they carry on his beliefs through their actions. SnowKit gets treated horrible by his clanmates as they think he's the reason for SpeckleTail's death. Even BlueStar treats him horrible as she believes he is the message from StarClan that theyve turned their backs on ThunderClan. The apprentices feel bad for him though so they train him in secret. Basically SnowKit ends up as a badass and later takes on the name of SnowSpeckle to honor his mother. That's all i have for now but i might make it into a story or comic someday.
@@SleepyBugBoy tell me if you do
@@BoltTheJolteon why would you do this to me.
I'm hard of hearing and Snowkit literally traumatized me. I went from being so excited, so hopeful, from seeing a deaf character in my favorite series! I was already imagining all the ways I would be able to see myself in Snowkit as he grew up. I was already seeing myself in the way all the hearing adults in his life talked about him like he was furniture, not an actual living child standing right there. It was tough, but I had hope it would all come together. And then he died. I remember feeling like a popped balloon. For a 10 year old to see themselves in a character because of that character's disability, only for said character to die in the most terrifying way possible followed by the book going "well what do you expect? he had it coming by being deaf" felt so alienating and scary. I will never forgive Warriors for what they did to Snowkit, and what they did to a hard of hearing kid who didn't deserve to have their favorite book series tell them that their disability made them as good as dead.
Thanks for covering my boy. In a better universe, I'm hoping this video was longer and talked about all the great things Snowkit did as a proud, deaf warrior.
I never thought of this! And in retrospect that makes Snowkits death even more traumatising - I'm sorry you had to go through that, I keep remembering that this is a kids book, which is going to be influencial
Honestly I felt the same way- and I'm an able-bodied person. I'm gonna chalk it up to my impression on characters with disabilities, that being Toph from Atla. So I had high hopes for Snowkit, believing he'll find a way to adapt to his circumstances. As a kid reading about Snowkit got me interested and excited on how they will tackle him as a character and to just have him die like that and so suddenly made me very upset. ESPECIALLY when other cats acted so nonchalant about him dying. Not to the extent of you however, I couldn't imagine feeling that way as a child.
Hey, thanks for talking about your experience and thoughts with this! I was thinking the exact same thing, since I genuinely didn't remember the books being this harsh towards any disabled cast. It _sucks_
Weird how dead and deaf look nearly identical in spelling…
Him being deaf made him stand out as distinctive and unique which made him feel like he was going to be important or do something and NOPE HE JUST DIES. Snowkit deserved SO MUCH BETTER and he SHOULD HAVE LIVED. The story would have been objectively more interesting had he survived.
I'm able-bodied and I can still see that Snowkit being deaf made him seem more important than all the background cats that had no defining traits at all. The writers had no excuse for not realizing.
As always worth noting that people use "survival of the fittest" to justify the treatment of disabled characters in series like warriors incorrectly. Survival of the fittest being used to refer to disability is a modern, eugenicist reframing of the term that has no relation to what the term actually means. To be "fit" refers to ability to reproduce (aka adaptations to the environment that make it better suited to thrive than those without).
Anyway I always found it a bit weird that they were like "see he's not taking training seriously" when like. he is a child. The whole thing is just baffling and uncomfortable
it's made weirder by the fact that one of the big points of arc 1 is that kits younger than 6 moons shouldn't be trained like... what did you expect???
I would’ve loved if he had grown up to become a main pov, similar to how Jayfeather is with his blindness. Like if he had been one of the cats to discover to the lake territories would’ve been amazing.
That would have been much better then what we’ve got
@@Sheedystar_the_cat yeah
Finally! The second arc would be interesting
It would of been and I wonder what snowkits name would be!!
yes! i wish it was that. poor lil snowkit
Fun fact about cat communication irl: adult cats only communicate to each other with pure body language. Maybe a hiss if they're threatened, or a vocalization to their kits or humans, but for the most part, they don't "talk" and don't actually need to hear each other to communicate. Warriors just need an excuse to have full blown conversations in ways their human audience can understand, and meowing is the obvious choice, apparently
honestly i feel like the lack of body language makes it super obvious that warriors is basically about fluffy humans bc its so obvious looking at cats that body language is primarily how they interact
More reasons why I think the “DISABLED CATS CANT BE WARRIORS” stuff the books keep saying is literal fox dung, especially if they can be autistic coded from an autistic person. Honestly the reason why I prefer fannon and the Clan Gen game over cannon because you don’t see them getting forced into the medicine cat or elder role,heck in Clan Gen can see them becoming leaders or deputy which I appreciate because it literally proves the books wrong! I remembered thinking that it was actually pretty sweet of one of my leaders to pick a three legged cat for their deputy, not because of something about them being three legged but because they believed them to be right for the job regardless of whatever permit conditions they have. I’ve literally watched a three legged cat climb up and down a flight of stairs and furniture, I can’t be convinced that being a medicine cat is somehow easier than a warrior, I’m sorry but I can’t.
The cats in the books can speak many H U M A N languages that’s how we understand them in the books
@@magena120 honestly as someone whos seen the behaviour of disabled cats plus having a deaf cat myself, they do NOT give a fuck ab any disability they have lmao
This is a common misconception! Most cats do chat to each other occasionally
As a deaf person, Snowkit's death was...incredibly disappointing. If he was just death fodder, *why* make him deaf? Why have Firestar and Bluestar constantly doubt he could be a warrior? Speckletail and Brackenfur almost seem to be portrayed as *unreasonable* or *naive* thinking that Snowkit could be a warrior and his death almost seems to prove them wrong? Plus there's never another deaf character beyond Snowkit (and the unnamed kit of Dappletail's, which again, also died).
Also additionally, I hate the 'his hearing was restored in StarClan' so much, like bruh? He was born deaf, let him stay deaf. It's uncomfortablely close to the whole 'Disabled people are sad and unhappy unless they are abled' thing; Besides, I know many deaf ppl who choose not to wear hearing aids or cochlear implants and are perfectly satisfied with that.
My theory was that one Aron was like "wow what if blind kit" and the all the other arons were like "yeah good idea" and then killed him off
Him getting his hearing back in StarClan did nothing but add salt in the wound. Don't get me wrong, I think it makes sense for some cats to be more abled in StarClan after they pass (I think it was said to be a choice disabled characters make when they enter), if I was Briarlight and I had the chance to use my legs again, I'd take it too. The difference is that Snowkit didn't even have time to become a character, AND his chances to be a warrior were unnecessarily doubted, AND he was, as you say, "death fodder". Man, what a grim term.
I can imagine this whole arc of him growing up and the cats learning to communicate with him through physical motions. And cats already communicate through body language anyway so canonising that would not only be inclusive, but cool as hell! What a wasted opportunity.
This is like the moth’s wing thing. She just stops having ADHD randomly and as a person with ADHD myself that is just cruel to people who identified with her.
FR THO!! i dont understand how they introduced him in the book and straight away killed him. Like what was the point of writing in that he was deaf? at least let the hawk kill him.another book but its still cruel. He shouldve beengiven a proper chance
I remember being so disappointed that Firestar never gave Brightheart an apprentice. She was my favourite character and I just wanted to see her shine and maybe even get a chance to be deputy. I just wish she and all the other disabled characters were treated better.
Technically he did give her Jaypaw. But then the writers fucked it up and threw him in the med den
I think the scariest thing about Warriors and disability is how absolutist and cruel it is. Briarlight, Deadfoot and Jayfeather are the only ones given any sort of chance to prove themselves. The rest are thrown into the elder's den and all but forgotten. And then you get the insulting 'but in starclan they are healed!' mentality. This along with the abusive nature of some romances really makes me ponder wtf the writers are thing at times.
I think that's a reach, to be fair. There's also Nightstar, Crookedstar, Jagged Peak, Gray Wing, Finleap, One-eye/White-eye, Brokenstar, and Shadowsight (although they did randomly stop talking about Shadowsight's seizures). As far as StarClan goes, I'm not sure why a spirit would have bodily limitations. As a disabled person, I think that would suck a lot lol
@@joltyflare Shadowsight’s seizures were handled so poorly. They held him down and treated it like it was the correct procedure to do. Which, is incredibly dangerous not only for the person having the seizure but the people trying to restrain them. Keep in mind warriors is a kids franchise. Young kids probably don’t know what the CORRECT thing to do in that situation is and will take it at face value. Also just because warriors has a few good cases of disability representation does not mean we should ignore the bad cases. There was literally a scene in Squirrelflight’s hope where Sandstorm basically pointed at Briarlight and said “Look at how happy she is now that she’s not disabled!” As if being disabled is a fate worst then death. Which is awful. Snowkit was only k!lled off for...tension I guess? They didn’t NEED to make him deaf and then turn around when he was k!lled and say that this is it what the audience should have expected. That was completely unnecessary. And I personally think it’s bad that they made it so starclan cats would not have disabilities because healing disabled characters is already such a bad trope. And if we’re going by the lore that starclan cats appear as they were most happiest in life. That sort of implies that disabled people cannot be happy (I apologize if im reaching a bit). Also, if a character is disabled upon birth why should they be healed in death? And I personally find it uncomfortable how warriors will rename their disabled characters to point out how their disabled. One-eye. Deadfoot. And while Lostface and Crookedjaw aren’t as bad sense they showed that it was wrong and the characters were upset by it. They even changed Lostface’s name (luckily) it’s still something to consider.
@@onyxtheowl24 Warriors is NOT for kids... Its target audience is young adults. I don't disagree with anything you're saying but this, keep in mind.
@@birdseatingbirds5897 No, the books are targeted towards a young audience, young adults just happen to read the books too. Many children fantasy books are known to be violent, take a look at Wings of Fire or Percy Jackson, that doesn’t automatically make them made for adults.
@@onyxtheowl24 It used to be believed that holding someone down with a seizure was the correct thing to do. People nowadays are getting educated not to, but its still a common misconception and piece of incorrect medical advice given out. I noticed the moment they described holding him down that the Erins were never taught the correct way to deal with a seizure, but it could also have just been when they were doing the research the sources were messed up.
And as someone who is also disabled, I think its important to consider the difference between physical disabilities and other kinds of disabilities. Because physical ones tend to be the ones that aren't as held to identity and desired to keep (there are exceptions, such as being deaf). But telling everyone that they can be just as happy being disabled as not, if they are not feeling happy about being disabled, feels really sucky. Its a disability for a reason, and it doesn't always feel great to have. Mental disabilities are usually different in that they are sometimes very core to a person (provided its not some disorders, that do have cures or can be treated to a state of minimizing symptoms which is preferred). But acting like some disabilities aren't better off going without isn't a message you need to throw on everyone, when people with those disabilities can speak for themselves.
the fact that fireheart basically says ‘how that kit is deaf sooo upsetting he cant be a warrior’ is infuriating.
there was no reason to make snowkit deaf, he was just kill fodder. its just salt into the wound of ableism constantly apparent in warrior cats.
i feel like as a deaf person snowkit is just a huge slap in the face and i can’t stand snowkit fand because a good 98% of them are literally hearing or abled people who feed into the idea that a deaf person could not function in a normal society because of one thing they simply cannot do; hear. i think it wouldve been fine if snowkit was deaf and had lived a good life as a warrior or had died fighting for what was right for his clan or himself. he was not a character. he was a plot point. any development wasn’t considered for him. the fact that so many hearing people feed into this stereotype that deaf people are helpless creatures makes me want to drop the community entirely. it feels like as a deaf person i do not have a sense of belonging in this community. they love snowkit but if you make a deaf warrior they’ll lose their mind on you because its unrealistc or “they wont be a good warrior because they cant hear. they need to be a healer.” absolutely mind-boggling.
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I'm an able-bodied person- but I wholeheartedly agree with you dude. I legit cannot understand how people of this Fandom will say a deaf cat functioning in the society of warrior cats is impossible and or that they can never be a warrior when it's so untrue on so many levels. It's not only just irl cats, but just the whole nature of saying you can never be capable just because of a disability when we see so many people with them do incredible things even on their own. Deaf and blind cats irl are just as capable of being able to hunt and or play or even fight, animals, especially cats don't give up so easily, even animals who have lost function in limbs, they will keep going regardless.
@@bobtheball5384 For me I think if they develop the blindness as an apprentice or a warrior it could really work as they develop sign language, but if they are born with it I don’t think it would be possible due to the fact of they don’t know what all these tail twitching means, kind of like watching someone do math but since you can’t hear you don’t know what the symbol means.
I am able bodied and I do not speak for any deaf people. I think a deaf character would be great and I Absolutey don’t think they are helpless, look at the skyclan cat for example. But cats born with it leaves them with no way to hear what it all means.
He says that with Cinderpelt too. I wish Fireheart had tried harder to make it so that Cinderpaw could train to be a warrior. Cloudtail was fiercely adamant about Brightheart becoming a warrior, and Longtail was angered that Swiftpaw wasn't being made a warrior. I know he was needed to be Cloudpaw's mentor and all but, like, it's a bummer we didn't see him fiercely defend Cinderpaw's status as a future warrior. Even if it didn't work, I would have liked to see him try harder.
@@M3RK_Crash I mean. A child learning sign language is the same as a child learning any other language? Babies don’t come out of the womb knowing how to speak perfect English, they’re taught it by their parents as they grow up. Sign language would be the same, the only difference is that the input is sight instead of sound.
I’ve always loved Snowkit! It’s cool they included a deaf character in Warrior Cats, even if he was short lived, I hope one day that we get another deaf character that actually lives till adulthood and DOESN’T become a medicine cat so we can see their struggles to become a warrior despite being deaf, I hate the ablest writing when they just ship cats off to the medicine den or just kill them off, it sucks and a deaf warrior that’s a pov character would be a good change of pace!
yes exactly!! it could be really interesting and. you know, not ableist.
This would be amazing
Spitting facts 👏👏
Also another thing, Fallowfern is deaf, she isn’t incapable of smelling, she could have easily smelled the border markers.
that thing idk if there will ever be another disabled character who could become a warrior since i dont think we've had a new disabled cat since squirrelflight's hope for obvious reasons
I really like this fanfiction called Snatched: The Story of Snowkit. In the fanfiction Snowkit is dropped by the hawk and lands in a different forest filled with some loners and SkyClan descendants. Then he’s tasked by StarClan to help this group create a new Clan there. He gets to learn sign language and also read lips
Oh my god, I remember reading that fic a long time ago! I could never remember the name of it to find and reread it again!
What platform is it on? Whos the author
That one was so good! And there was one where he used his tail to read the vibrations in someone's throat. And he got the name Snowhawk. Or maybe that was the same story? I don't remember, its been a minute. I've got to go find it and read it again.
Wait, I wanna read it! What’s it on? I’m genuinely interested. :D
@@Dragonemperess Yes that’s the one!
I don't care what canon says Snowkit was dropped by the Hawk in a bush and he got adopted into a loving family or something else wholesome and he lived a perfectly fulfilled life
I want to make a type of fake super edition/novella like this but snowkit drops into a bush, survives until being found by either a family of wild cats that are in storm clan (search it up you might be able to find something about it) or loners and survives to become a strong warrior that can work around his disability for hunting/fighting with his other scents. I have already made a cover for my vision.
I honestly find it funny that they avoid the fact that tail signals are a thing with this....heck Shadowclan has a whole entire kitty sign language with their tails, and the other clans have some form of tail signal cue. Snowkit should of lived and I feel it would be interesting if he lived.
I completely forgot about the tail signals. I think one of the guides even had a guide about how each one meant
ngl if they instead made it so Snowkit had to stay back in the nursery when he was 6 moons old, got attacked by a hawk like a moon later, and got named an apprentice for fighting it off, it would have been sick as hell
NOOOO I love this
@@Zoe-fd8ll I've seen a couple other people say he would have been a better pov than Brambleclaw in the new prophecy and I'm inclined to agree
HIS WARRIOR NAME COULD BE SNOWHAWK
@@sarahblack9333 yoooooo
Hey Moonkitti! Can you please do a mini-talk about Thrushpelt? He had a crush on Bluefur and didn't flip out that Bluefur liked someone else, unlike AshFur. When Bluefur told him that she was pregnant, he automatically took on the role of the kit's father, and I'm not sure this is Canon or not, but I think Thrushpelt took care of Mosskit in StarClan. When the kits went missing, it was said he mourned like a father. He is also an underrated character and is just a good boy.
Agreed, Thrushpelt would be great to hear her perspective on
And I'm pretty sure snowfur helped too, giving back for what bluefur did with her kit
@Urchin In The Rain Snowfur died horribly, and Bluefur kinda adopted Whitekit.
@@cloudytea. yes which is why I think snowfur helped look after mosskit
Reminder she doesn’t take requests from the mini talking videos but from what she decides from the main talking vid
I suddenly need an AU where Snowkit gets to grow up. What new techniques could he create to help other deaf cats, the way Brightheart and Cloudtail learned to compensate for half blindness? What kind of relationships might he have had with other cats? Would he have been really good on patrol since he would be more used to using smells to identify things around him? Could Brackenfur have mentored him and developed tail-based sign language? What sort of outrageous shenanigans could have resulted from him meeting Jayfeather? I wish we saw more disabled cats learning to get along just fine with their disabilities without it just being 'uh, here, go be a medicine cat and/or die for the plot, thanks'.
You should make a M.A.P of it
@@Lari_crescent_moon If I were an animator I totally would. Maybe a fanfic though if writing warriors fanfic ever strikes me. We could just boot out Brambleclaw from TNP and have Snowkit eventually become Snowstar. 👀
Theres like fifthy snowkit story in AO3 Also deaf cats mostly only happen to white cats with blue eyes. So as long as cats with blue eyes have babies with not white cats with not blue eyes its fine
@@scarfstrings.134 I mean sure but this book series long ago decided it didn't care about real cat genetics so theoretically anyone could pop out another Snowkit at any time lol.
@@pixelapocrypha you could still make the map call for it tho
You just wouldn’t animate a part
If you wanted to ofc
I was interested in the way that speckletail was so overprotective of Snowkit because I think she could tell he was deaf. She clearly wanted him to be perceived as a regular kit even with his disability, and she was against anyone trying to speak about how her Kit can’t become an apprentice. He clearly showed that he could, even though he was extremely close to his mom and preferred to play with her than try to be an apprentice. I love aus where he does survive and becomes a big part of the clan that isn’t being a medicine cat
We knew him for five whole seconds and we still remember him all these years later
Snowkit was the character we needed not the one we deserved. The authors really just massacred my boy.
More than I can say for most of the main characters 😭😭😭😭
True, I forgot about a load of cats, even important ones, but snowkit I still remember well
Looking at the logistics of him, the hawk thing makes sense as a stand alone freak accident. Not as a part of a longer ongoing muddied series, but if a very tiny short story happened and it was that scene alone re-formatted to be a stand alone short story, it would make sense, if THAT makes sense?
A pure white kitten seemingly left alone in the middle of a clearing that's only there because a fire burned through the area, giving the bird better access to a new hunting spot, and the kitten can't hear the yelling or the hawk or anything. That'd be a short tragic story with a moral somewhere along the lines of you have to help those who need it the most / don't assume everyone has the same ability to do xyz as you / etc etc.
But in the long run of the series, it leaves a very weird after taste.
I’d argue even then it’s pushing it a little? That clearing had multiple adult cats walking around shortly before they noticed the hawk already swooping down, I don’t think it would’ve taken that risk knowing there was a threat for honestly what seems like very minuscule reward depending on how big or old the animal is? Not trying to argue but it just definitely has me questioning the logistics of it concerning how predatory birds work.
On the topic of deaf cats being able to catch prey irl: my cousin has a deaf cat, and she brings mice home every second day or so. Also, there are many cues a deaf cat could respond to - cousin's fiance uses taps on the ground to get the cat's attention, or tapping on the food bowl to tell the cat its dinner time; this is can be a cat-by-cat situation. I'd like to mention that my cousin's cat is a grown, female version of Snowkit-
my mom had a blind cat who could catch birds and mice and what not.
@@katherinefyfe-w1d people (erins) tend to forget that cats have more than one senses lmao
I've actually asked this a while back on the Warrior Cats subreddit If Snowkit's death counts as Fridging or not I'm honestly not but sure but I think it does count for those of you who don't know what Fridging is it's basically where a character is killed off only for the purpose to hurt another more important character If you want a more in-depth explanation there's a video by overly sarcastic Productions about Fridging
the only reason I wouldn't say it was fridging is because their wasn't really a character in this situation. Typically fridging uses a well established character to go off of. But at the same time, I think in technically yes-ish? He dies solely to create drama with sandstorm and fireheart by not having enough apprentices to go around.
@@BroKenYaKnow And for his mom and bluestar
I would say it is fridging because a marginalized character was killed to create drama and push Fireheart in a certain direction. Snowkit is essentially dehumanized (decatized?) and not treated like his own character, but rather as an object to advance the plot.
I have a deaf character named Snowfoot, who’s partially inspired by snowkit but also inspired by typical snow shows that allow you to walk over snow without sinking. He’s gentle and whip smart, and his brother, Copperfoot, and his father Dimblaze are deeply defensive of him. He’s known for being an excellent fighter, due to his sharper eyes and inability to get distracted by distant screams and taunts.
Notably, as part of my worldbuilding, he’s also a very good asset for his Clan against one of their enemies, EchoClan. EchoClan, who lives in a rocky, gorge filled territory, tends to fight by leading their enemies astray by sending echoes down valleys in misleading ways to separate their enemies. Snowfoot often leads battle patrols when fighting EchoClan bc he’s completely immune to this strategy, allowing him to keep his cats in line.
His Clan also organized a kind of mock sign language to keep him in the loop, which kits basically grow up learning now.
The cats are smart enough to do math and have an organized religion. They can take care of a deaf cat.
I would unironically ready an entire book about Snowfoot👀
@@Goose-pic unfortunately, I haven’t made his story interesting enough for a full book, even a novella. He really is just a partial side character who happens to be deaf lol. I have typed up a little five chapter thing for him, since I was close to giving him a romance with an EchoClan she-cat, but I’m fairly sure I lost it😭
Even real life deaf cats can grow up to be independent!
“Snow kit eventually responds with his only line in the whole series-“
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I wish Snowkit wasn't killed off cause like, you could do so much interesting things with him. Like, sure, there's the medicine cat choice, but I like to think of like a Toph-esc idea where he uses like vibrations or something to tell if someone or something is close, or you could do like how cats sign and stuff. It's just so cool to think about and saddens me that it was never ment to be
0:35 i only now appreciated the hilariousness of "your kitten before and after getting carried around by fireheart"
hoping for a video focusing on crookedstar and or rainflower as one of the few examples of a mother in warrior cats being **intentionally** written as abusive, or on a more positive side, crookedstar being one of the only disabled cats who doesn’t get shoved into the medicine cat role
Or dumped into the Elders' den. Finleap is a good candidate too. His character arc is one of the best in the entire series, in my opinion, and he is one of my favourite characters. He handled the loss of his tail so well and he gained the mental maturity to realize Twigbranch's wants were important to him as well. I would love to see him get his own book someday!
I think someone interesting to do a mini-talk about would be Flutterfoot. He’s a WindClan cat and has never appeared in a book outside of the allegiances. He has a very cute name and could lead into a conversation about other non-existent cats, or how WindClan is severely underused, or or the quantity > quality the books have adopted.
Snowkit also had another sibling who the writers forgot about between books and they’re just never mentioned again.
Mistlekit. :(
I think the wiki said she was too weak after she caught whitecough/greencough.
Speckletail's litter were all victims of fridging.
also “don’t ever care about my son again” killed me 😭 but yeah, snowkit is a character i like but it’s a huge yikes that he’s teh only deaf character that i can remember in warriors. they totally could have had a deaf kit who survives and makes a warrior
Ikr! I mean it’s a fictional story, Ofc they could have made a deaf cat a warrior! And it would have been interesting to have a disabled cat actually rise to deputy or leader, and see the struggles they would have to face to achieve this.
@@CertifiedGirlkisser plus its not like irl deaf cats are useless, especially if a cat is born deaf they can easily adapt to it
Featherkit was also a white, blue-eyed kit born to Dappletail. He was a definite side character though, and 'probably' died to foxes. Yeah, they didn't even give him a actual death. So they killed both of their deaf cats when they were kits.
@@CertifiedGirlkisserCrookedstar essentially. I guess having a broken jaw could count especially his struggles as a kit and not being able to be an apprentice at the same time as his brother
@@flareongirl3606 Ig you are right, but I’m talking main arc protagonist with a disability, not like jayfeather, I want them to rise to power
I'm taking ASL in high school right now, and OH GOD does Snowkit's death upset me even more now. As mentioned in the books, white cats with blue eyes are more likely to be born deaf. I think we could introduce a character who is born deaf, joins the Clan and show them that they can hunt and care for themself without issue, and then have their own little family where being deaf is a trait passed down through generations. If Deaf people can have their own community, why can't anthropomorphized cats living in the woods? Heck, if they're forced out of their Clans, they can form their own where they use their ways of communication. The football huddle was started by a Deaf team after all, so maybe the other Clans would learn something from it.
I think the biggest reason is… he wouldn’t be able to learn what they meant. Of course you are learning sign language but you can hear making it easier to learn, most death people have some sort of hearing aid or developed it later so they have a basic understanding of reading or signals. Snowkit was born purely death which would be next to impossible to teach due to the fact of him not knowing what anything means.
@@M3RK_Crash Not to be "that guy," but it is spelled deaF, not deaTH. Deaf means you cannot hear, death means something/someone is dead.
Ex: "Most deaf people use a hearing aid or develop it later so they have a basic understanding of reading or signals. Snowkit was born fully deaf."
Ok, oral language is not inherently easier to learn, in fact, sign language and speech when taught to infants show no difference in how fast they learn the language - it’s hard for you and me because we do not know ASL, like it’s hard for me to learn Italian when I don’t speak that language currently. ASL isn’t even the only non verbal form of communication out there - guess what we’re doing right now. Animals already use body language to communicate to one another, especially cats because they only meow to communicate with their owners, and deaf cats communicate fine with other cats, like deaf people can find ways to communicate with others even barring ASL. (This isn’t in response to the original commenter but to the person below them)
@@bastardman8176 Yeah, cats mostly use body language to communicate, and even though purring can be heard it's more vibrations than anything.
@@ZirconiaGacha yeah, the vibrations themselves are also proven to help those with problems regarding their bones, tiny fun fact. Cats if anything are highly specialized in touch and smell, their eyesight of course being pretty good and their hearing indeed being sensitive, but that sensitivity is often in regards to defense against predators, and even then with their whiskers giving an added bonus in overall vibrational awareness in a given area it’s likely they’d more easily adjust to being deaf whether they were born with it or gained hearing impairment over time.
About the cats don't nod thing, you are correct that they usually don't, but my strange little kitty nods whenever we talk to her. It's so weird and cute!
When snowkit said “s’alright” lives in my mind rent free🥹🥹
Snowkit has always hold a special place in my heart💜.Whenever a cat is talking to starclan in the books, I always put Snowkit and Speckletail randomly in the background, playing around minding their own business living the a happy afterlife.
I always saw him as the final straw for bluestar. I dont think his deafness was really ment for anything but mild drama with his poor mom. If he lived im absolutely sure he would have made a fine warrior.
I really love the aspect of mentorship in warriors, btw. It's such a unique bond that presents many opportunities for friendship and skills building from both warrior and apprentice. Being a mentor means you are not just a young willy nilly anymore, it means you're entrusted with helping to raise a new clan member and for some time, you become the moving force in kits forming of relationships around the clan, both with its fellow apprentices and with new warriors. You become their new center figure in life to decide their fate and adapt their abilities to warriors life's needs. Drama about mentors making up exercises and strategies and teaming up for group lessons and learning how to work with their apprentices special abilities and disabilities was also plenty fun.
Snowkit dying always annoyed me. Because even if he would be at a disadvantage in combat or hunting (which, doubt) - being a warrior is supposedly more than that anyway? He could've been a mentor or a camp guard easily. They could've had it that he often helps the queens (especially since he likely would've been very fond of his mother after how persistent she was??) or travel with the medicine cats when gathering herbs or to visit starclan. He could've been really interesting even as a background feature, honestly.
I actually believe Snowkit could have been trained to be a warrior if he had lived. Cats in real life communicate nonverbally through body movements, such as the curvature of their tails. If someone in ThunderClan had adopted a tail gesture system like Speckletail tried to teach him and used some other forms of nonverbal communication, Snowkit could have become a warrior, though it might have taken an extra moon or two to ensure he could communicate with other warriors freely with this system. Just because he was deaf does not mean some type of system could not have been introduced to still communicate with him nonverbally.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Shadowclan have a system of tail signs as well?
@@Jashinist-followerit does, and the other clans have something similar, too.
I remember when I was little Snowkit's death was just "cool dramatic moment showing how harsh life in the forest is" but throughout my life he's really stuck with me, especially all the wasted opportunity he represents.
I have an AU where Bloodclan wins the battle for the forest, but also Speckletail gets a chance to advocate for another deaf kit when a lesbian couple leaves Bloodclan to join the kits and elders with their deaf daughter. Said deaf kit ends up developing cat sign language with the clan cats, and Speckletail gets to mentor her :)
Out of all the deaths in the books, Snowkit's is one I remember vividly. His death is honestly the most morbid out of all of them simply because of how he was written.
Tigerclaw perhaps?
I really wish they kept snow kit in, he could’ve had so much potential to show us how a deaf warrior adapted to their duties. Cats already talk through signals even in the series so I wish they did that
While it's pretty well-known at this point that the Warriors series has a huge problem with disabled representation, deaf characters seemed to get the short end of the already short stick. They literally made an otherwise young and healthy Fallowfern retire specifically because she lost her hearing.
I feel like if he was left alive, he could have developed a system of either sign language or written language to help hearing-impaired and mute cats for the rest of the series or something. He had potential, but honestly it just seems like another “disabled people useless, take them away” moment from the erins
Could've used some kind of body language communication, it wouldve been so interesting and would've crossed over with bright hearts story aaaagh
@@BreloomSoup exactly!!! the erin’s have such an awful track record of being cruel to disabled people tho, so i’m not surprised it went anywhere
@@BreloomSoup I’m sure that cats are very good at body language, it could’ve worked .
@@Littlefox1213
Not only "very good" : actual cats litteraly mostly communicate by sign language !
I think an AU where Snowkit lives and ends up moving to ShadowClan would be cool. It’s loosely established that ShadowClan has a system of visual cues used for hunting, battle, tracking, etc, and I think it’d be fun to see him learn about that. I think that’s the closest thing Warriors has to kitty sign language
i feel like palebird would be an interesting topic! she doesn’t get talked about a lot, and i feel like she has an interesting experience compared to a lot of other queens. thank you!
I have seen a lot of fanworks and roleplay servers that employ a kind of cat sign language and I genuinely am surprised why no one considers this a possibility in fiction about cats, who generally only vocalize for humans or babies.
cats literally have whiskers on the back of their front legs to feel vibrations while they’re hunting i think snowkit would’ve been ok
When you remember that SpeckleTail is canonly GoldenFlower’s mom. BrambleKit, quit beating up your uncle
I think the reason why Brackenfur was the one the Erin’s chose to save Marshkit was because of Snowkit. He wanted to save Snowkit from a hawk but was unable to since he was too late, but this time he beat the hawk and saved Marshkit. Maybe he felt really guilty for not saving Snowkit and he felt like helping Marshkit would free him from that endless guilt
Looking at the lineage when I realize Snowkit is Bramblekit and Tawneykit's uncle yet they were kits together
I would love to see a main POV warrior character who is deaf, partially because it would be so intresting to read their perspective. Like, they would have to rely a lot more on body language, maybe developing a kind of secret code: which could be used for sending messages if there was a tense scene! With all the the wild stuff that happens I think Warrior Cats Sign Language would hardly be the weirdest thing to happen.
Also having a warrior whose deaf could just be really lovely representation. That's all.
I will never stop being pissed about snowkit's death. He's specifically singled out as having a distinctive trait, which gives him more importance than other more meaningless background characters. And then he F***ING DIES to a COMPLETELY CONTRIVED EVENT. There is NO ACTUAL REASON he couldn't have grown up and become a perfectly competent warrior and done LITERALLY ANYTHING.
I feel leaf star would be an interesting cat to talk about, especially her relationship with sol
Great video! I was born hard of hearing and had to get hearing aids in 2nd grade. As a middle schooler reading the books I immediately related to snowkit and grew attached to him. Even though I already knew he was going to die, it still broke my heart watching him get carried away. When I started going to highschool I took ASL classes and it opened up a whole new world. As someone with hearing parents, I was never really able to connect to deaf culture beforehand. Being able to learn sign language and deaf culture was amazing and felt like I was starting to become apart of a community I never had the chance to meet. It also made me realize something about snowkit. As grateful as I am that people are making au’s about snowkit living, I feel as though snowkits representation in fanon isn’t quite accurate. Now don’t get me wrong, it’s not problematic or anything, I wouldn’t consider any maps offensive. But all of them seemed to depict snowkit like a normal cat which is simply not true. They never really seemed to embrace deaf culture despite trying to celebrate a deaf character. The only exception being The next up forever map. It seemed like everyone was saying snowkit could be a warrior, but now one was asking how could he be a warrior. I would love to see a map about snowkit that actually focuses on how he had to learn to be a warrior and communicate with his clanmates. You mentioned this a bit in the video, but they already use visual ques to communicate to eachother, so why can’t snowkit invent some sort of sign language for himself and friends? I know that might sound silly, but cats of deaf owners have in fact learned how to “sign” to their owners. Why can’t snowkit do the same?
Maybe sometime in the future I will make that map, im to busy currently though.
But again, great video! You addressed everything in the best way!
I would absolutely have loved it if Snowkit had survived and been a main POV at some point. My favorite idea I've been able to come up with so far is if the eagle carried him to the mountains (as that's where eagles are shown to live in the series) and he spends a while learning to live there, and learns ways to avoid the hawks before much later wandering off and finding the lake area where all of the clans have moved. I feel like it would have been really fun to have him grow up and face struggles on his own, he could have made such a wonderful character.
I'm so glad that you talked about him! I immediately found snowkit very interesting and was hoping to read more about him. How he interacts with others and every day things, how he'd grow up and how he would be trained.
I was and am still pretty sad and disappointed when he died just like that.
"Snowkit then responds with his only line in the series,
𝒃𝒖𝒊𝒍𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒚𝒐𝒖𝒓 𝒃𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒔𝒔 𝒐𝒏𝒍𝒊𝒏𝒆?"
Maybe you should do YellowFang next! I haven’t seen you do her, but I personally like her as a character and I think she’s pretty interesting! But what I Also like is she was the last female medicine cat in Shadowclan (from what I counted, it also makes it more interesting)
"s'all right" is the best line ever, and I also have a feeling it was in a british accent.
I mostly remember cloudpaw (kit?) going “Well I’m sure glad that I wasn’t born deaf, being white with blue eyes!” And Fireheart going “uh huh” and not really listening.
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The answer as to why hawks aren't an issue during winter is pretty simple; they migrate
i'm hearing but my cat is partially deaf (she had a tumor in her left ear, and to remove it the vet had to remove the internal structure of that ear). but she is perfectly capable of fighting, hunting, and climbing trees. while she may not be fully deaf, i hope this gives insight to those who STILL believe snowkit never would've been able to be a warrior. oh and, yes, the tumor is gone and hasn't come back, and my cat is a lil grandma now but she's healthy, safe, happy, and loved.
i remember distinctly thinking a lot about snowkit, especially since i had a little bit of time to think about him as i couldn't read for the rest of the school day. I was so curious to find out how they would deal with this kit who is deaf, like they did with jayfeather, only for the literal next scene being him snatched away by a hawk and his mother screams in sorrow bc even though she has protected him for so long already, it wasnt enough. it made me so sad
Could you talk about Tawnypelt next? I think she has a really interesting storyline, being tigerstar's offspring, switching clans, allying with thunderclan (in the later series)… and I think it could make for a good video. :)
i really wish he had lived, it would've been really cool to see him become a warrior
“i’m a plot device!” help
Cats : Hardly communicates verbally and uses body language to talk to each other.
The Erins : This deaf kit would never have a normal life, so we mercifully killed him off so we could also throw his mom in the old cat den and forget about her even more.
I wouldve loved snowkit to have become really powerful even for a deaf kit
He was actually deaf
@@Sheedystar_the_cat yeah i edited it a second after i posted it because i realised, i mixed him up with jayfeather somehow
I have a AU where snowkit gets saved by the tribe of rushing water and lives with them until the clans have to leave he joins the traveling clans and jaypaw ( feather ) becomes his apprentice
@@Iwillstartpostingagain if you made that and liked it you might like snatched it’s a really good snow kit Fan fic that’s really good
@@Iwillstartpostingagain thats actually awesome
Brightheart was more of a personal medicine cat to Speckletail than a fellow elder.
fallowfern's design is so cute omg this is adorable
also known as: fireheart does a casual abelism, and then they write the disabled cat out of the series to avoid having to deal with disability
I have a personal concept for a fic/future storyline where Snowkit was able to wriggle free from the hawk and fell into a lake, where he was able to swim to dry land and eventually (by whatever means) grows up and travels a Lot and makes it to the lake, where he ends up befriending an apprentice in secret (secret of the apprentice, who doesn’t want to lose their new friend by telling the leader about this random rogue near their territory) and eventually he’s found out, and is recognized by Bramblestar and returns to the clans.
I wish Snowkit would of lived. I would of absolutely loved to of read like a super addition all about his struggles of learning and growing up in the clan and becoming a warrior!
I was so disappointed that they introduced him and killed him off. They had such a good chance to make a great character.
Brakenfur should have been chosen as deputy instead of Greystripe because he demonstrated good moral character at wanting to be Snowkits mentor.
The way Snowkit was treated by the authors gave me inspiration to make an OC. Yokai, a kittypet, is a cat who has four ears in total, a small pair growing from the bases of their main ears. Ironically, due to this, they're completely deaf. They're treated well by their twolegs and neighbor cats, even developing cat sign language. Yokai has a positive attitude and white fur, similar to Snowkit.
"S'alright". Haunting words
Snowkit then replies with his only line in the entire series
**”FLYING GORILLA”**
I have a self-insert who's deaf and wants to be a medicine cat. Starclan speaks to her in her mind to tell her what others are saying, shown by her ears twitching.
And I had a deaf kitten, where he only reacted to a trumpet playing loudly (he probably felt the vibration)
I have a deaf semi-feral cat that we saw eating a dead bird! We all presumed that she caught it, and she also goes out into the neighborhood daily. Proof deaf cats can hunt lol. Love ur vids moonkitti :)
*Scent*
@@Zwebs24 IM SO SORRY
@@Tony_Bologna-bt5bq huh? Why?
@@Zwebs24 sorry lol I’m just kinda scared of hate bc I don’t like making people mad lol 😅😅
There were blind cats. But also I want to know why Snowkit says "s'all right" and if it had to do with lip reading or if it was a random sound he made that Fireheart interpreted as words. I don't mind the Snowtuft "theory" or as an AU but as an AU it needs more lore to it. Then again, it could be a similar scenario to Needletail where he thinks his Clanmates didn't look for him. Or where he eventually returns and finds Speckletail dead and believes it's their fault somehow. I think the authors are better writing disabled characters like Jayfeather when it comes to them being protagonists. They're better at explaining through the eyes of a cat how they perceive things with their senses.
OMG SPECKTAIL"S TAIL THO 2:12 THIS NEEDS TO BE CANON
I totally forgot that they made Snowkit hearing in Starclan. Like it’s bad enough that he was yet another disabled character that was told that he “couldn’t be a warrior” and that he was killed off, but did they ALSO need to make the part of his “happy” afterlife him no longer being disabled??? I already have bad feelings about them doing that to characters who acquired disabilities, but a kitten born disabled and living in literal heaven wouldn’t be able to be “cured” in death, because it was how he was born. Likewise, if Starclan makes you appear when you were happiest (which is the excuse for most other disabled characters being “cured” in Starclan) that doesn’t apply to someone who never experienced life while hearing. Also, imagine how upsetting that would be to a literal child, to die and then wake up with an entirely new, loud sense, without any warning,
I'm hoping for a talking on Jayfeather. He's always been my favorite of the POT siblings. He didn't take his position as medicine cat with grace as Cinderpelt did, and I really like that. I like that he wanted to become a warrior despite being blind, and I wish he had been a warrior. He acts rough on the outside, but is soft on the inside. And I love how Andrew narrates him-his voice fits Jay perfectly. But something that bugged me was that they just shoved him into the medicine den.
Blind cats can make their way around as well. It always bothered me that Jayfeather was shoved into the medicine den, when I will never forget a passage that was in Lionpaw's POV. He saw his brother racing through the forest "as if StarClan were guiding his paws" during a patrol to fight off ShadowClan I think-Lionpaw had to tell Jaypaw where a cat was, but Jaypaw's whiskers alone would be able to do so. I'VE SEEN cats with literal no eyes in their heads move around as if they did have eyes, as if they could see. If the writers are going to go more and more into the FANTASY element, then they need to start realizing that leaning on more real world things just won't make sense in the long run.
My porblem with Jayfeather is the fact Jayfeather's interactions never indicated it's blind. If you start reading after po3 you probably won't even realize he's blind and that kinda bothers me. What was the point of making him blind? To make him a medicine cat? He already had special connection powers so he's probably gonna be a medicine cat regardless anyways.
But I like him cause most medicine cat have similar personality.
@@scarfstrings.134 I like that in a way. By that point in the series, he's finally gotten everyone to respect him in spite of what they initially thought of his disability. You don't have cats constantly pitying him and bringing up his blindness. Reading from his point of view is fun too because it shows in detail what his other senses show him without him having to see, rather than bringing up his blindness. It's quite clever because of how subtle it is.
@@joltyflare Good point but it feels kinda weird for a story to show us we need to be accepting and tolerant of different people but not acknowledging those things that make them different. Don't know how to describe it exactly
Poor Snowkit :( lil man's only got "s'all right" as a line and. That's the best line in the whole series
Not only do the cats nod their heads, gesture with their tails and ears, etc, but they also on at least two instances have literally mouthed words to each other. Once in firestar's quest (Firestar and sandstorm are with skywatcher, sandstorm mouths "Yellowfang!" to firestar) and once again in a vision of shadows (i dont remember the specific context of this one.) To me, if this was intended to be something the cats are just Able to do, this proves it wouldnt have been out of the question for snowkit to learn to lip read or something. But even aside from that the cats could have developed some kind of cat sign language using their tails and visual cues
I feel like snowkit wouldn’t be able to learn that stuff due to him being born deaf from birth. Obviously as humans we have hearing aids and other resources such as that and we also have writing and reading which if the deafness develops later in life you can learn the sign language through text. But in snowkits case being born deaf means he barely knows words and he won’t know what a specific signal means. I think the idea of a deaf cat could work later in life (look at the skyclan cat)
Hello, I'm a fan and just stumbled across this video, and decided to make a couple chapter worth's of an AU I had in the back of my mind for a while where Snowkit survived! (And wasn't a plot device)
Snowkit screamed as the cruel talons fastened themselves onto his back. Firestar raced forward, but Speckletail was faster still. As the hawk lifted off, Speckletail sprang upward and snagged her claws in the white kit's fur.
For a couple agonizing moments both cats dangled from the hawk's claws. Fireheart launched himself into the air, but they were too high. Then the hawk released the kit with one foot and swiped at Speckletail's face. It missed, and the queen hissed loudly, reaching her head over and biting into the hawk's other leg.
The hawk screeched and lost grip on Snowkit, as well as Speckletail. The kitten and his mother fell, hitting the ground quickly, both with scrapes from the blow of the ground, as well as some deep talon-marks on Snowkit's back. Immediately, Cinderpelt and many other of the cats swarmed around the cats, nervous for each of their health, but more so for Snowkit.
The medicine cat gave a serious look to Fireheart, who had ran to her side, next to Snowkit, "Get me cobwebs, and moss, quickly!' She ordered ordered in a hurry. Fireheart immediately did as he was told, running to Cinderpelt's den. He made his way to the medicine storage, and grabbed a ball of moss, and using his paw to wrap the cobweb around. He was unsure of how much Cinderpelt needed, but he guessed quite a bit, so he nearly used all of the cobweb while wrapping a single paw, and he also made sure to grab more then one ball of moss.
When he returned, the area around Snowkit had splats of blood all over, and Speckletail was crouching over her son, whom had blood staining his entire back, while she only had a few scrapes from the hard blow to the ground. Cinderpelt was relieved and quickly took the moss balls into her grasp, placing them onto the wounds which were still bleeding, "Hold the moss balls there, Speckletail." She mewed.
As Speckletail nodded and lay her paws down onto her kit's back, holding the moss balls in place, Cinderpelt beckoned Fireheart over with her tail. He'd hurry over, "Yes?" He asked, a bit clueless, "The cobweb." The medicine cat mewed in a hurried tone, as if it were obvious. Fireheart nodded vigorously, allowing Cinderpelt to unwrap his paw covered in cobweb, and then watched her do her work, wrapping the kit around the torso, with Speckletail helping a bit here and there.
"Is he going to live?" The queen immediately asked after Cinderpelt finished wrapping the kit in cobwebs, "We'll see, Speckletail. He's a healthy kit, but the wounds are deep, and I see nothing else I can do for him." Her head hung low, and Speckletail was obviously scared, angry, and shocked all in one, big, crumpled bit of emotions. "Don't worry," Fireheart chimed in, "I'm sure he'll be okay, as Cinderpelt said, he's a well-grown, healthy kit." Speckletail seemed to brighten, before her gaze fell back down, and she looked unconvinced.
Snowkit wriggled a bit, and squeaked in pain as he tried to heave himself up, "Wow, wow, wow. Calm down now." Cinderpelt urged the kit a bit with her nose, pushing him gently into a laying position, "Oh, my kit!" Speckletail cried out, a mixture of worry and joy, as she curled around her son. He'd curl up, but winced a bit when his back made a cracking noise.
"Speckletail," Cinderpelt looked at the queen, who looked back with a hint of worry in her gaze. Her eyes hardened, "Yes, Cinderpelt?" The medicine cat sat down, and gently mewed, "I'll need to check on your son every day, for a while, just to make sure he keeps healthy." She paused, waiting for a defensive reply. Instead, Speckletail hung her head low and sighed, before mewing, "Yes, I. . Suppose that's the best thing for him. But you'd better expect me to be there while you check up on him!" Cinderpelt was relieved, "Of course, you can stay by his side the entire time."
(So I'm gonna end this here for now because it's late at night and I'm tired- but I'll be continuing in a future day)
He's just a lil fella, they didn't have to do him so dirty 😭
When I was younger I wrote a fanfic about Snowkit surviving the Hawk and growing up in the wild as a loner/rogue, learning to hunt and survive on his own and trying to return home to his clan.
I got a tiger plush, and I named him snowkit in honor of Snowkit. I literally had to explain to my parents why the name, and they were heartbroken about snowkit. I feel like if snowkit became a warrior, he would be snowtuft
Hey Moonkitti! I'd like to see a talking on Quiet Rain! I feel like her sending her three sons away from the mountains was a big move in her character development! And also let's not forget old Quiet Rain just yelling at her own adult son!
Hi! I love your content and happy to see a new video about snow kit! I love snow kit
Speckletail signally come over here with her tial is my fav visual gag haha
SAME I DIED
they never handle disabled characters actually WELL
Honestly I simply do not expect the Warriors writers to handle anything well lol
I loved this talking video! It really dived into Snowkit. I always loved Snowkit, I was so sad when he died. I would love to see you do a talking video on Heathertail. It was interesting what happened to her with Lionblaze and Breezepelt. I’d love to see you dive into her POV.
It’s pretty sad, SnowKit could’ve been a very interesting and very in depth character. Vicki could’ve made him a main character and had his challenges in view as a main character, it really would’ve been great, and a cat with some sort of disability like brightheart could’ve taught him how to learn with accommodations. They really missed a really fleshed out, interesting character and just made him die just because it would go with the times, like they could’ve made an elder, warrior or just anyone die and it would have had the same effect. I appreciate the fact that you made a video on something that really rubbed me the wrong way.
If in today's books the snowkit came back and finally saw the clan he loved, but he would be very old already
3:56 if there was a shirt of this picture I would buy it immediately
I’d say they stated Snowkit not being able to hunt as a fact despite it realistically being false because the cats themselves did not know a deaf cat would be able to hunt, since the only deaf kit they had to go off of at the time was one who died young as well. Though that’s probably wrong lmao
Thanks for subtitles, Moon!
Nice video