Honestly I don’t think Ashlee was entirely wrong about judges giving ALDC a higher score. Brynn beat Kendall every single time as soon as she was entered under ALDC and there’s a lot of questionable dances the Aldc won with
They're all questionable, including Chloe's "fairytale" win over Maddie at the season 2 nationals, and Nia's "fairytale" season 7 nationals victory. I wouldn't believe any of it.
@@chalkandcheese1868 if Abby even said she thought Chloe should’ve won and other people have gone she won at energy Beverly Hills I’m pretty sure that is real. Biased queen.
I feel like Abby’s brain wouldn’t consider the girls that much and only herself so I think she might have meant that Brooke wasn’t trusting Abby’s abilities as a manager and “she” was able to do that for kenzie.
@@chungleanne2690no she didn’t 😂 Abby herself has confirmed that she treated Christi and Chloe horribly because they couldn’t get out their contract . (Rosie O’Donell show ) Abby also said she never wanted to Chloe to win and she won all the time . (Season 8.) so stop saying this when Abby has confirmed herself she didn’t like Chloe and Christi for some odd reason .
It's sad knowing all these kids could've done Broadway and Disney. I know they had a lot of callbacks but, none of them could say yes due to the contract.
as horrible as many of the producers are, the notes are fucking hilarious. “tracy whines, (her only method of communicating as we will soon discover)”😭😭
Brynn has actually spoken out about the previous competition where Kendall beat her. Brynn believes it was rigged as her solo won TDA( the dance awards if anyone isn’t familiar) but got beat at a regular competition by a Bollywood solo
Abby really hated Nia, yet Nia and Holly stayed to the end and were very nice when Abby was getting the karma that she deserved with getting caught for her illegal activity and going to prison. Abby should be grateful that Holly hasn’t said nasty things like all of the other OG moms have. Dr. Holly is too classy for Abby’s trashiness
It’s all about the money for Abby. She once said Nia had the better voice then said she wanted Nia to sing skat/blues. Holly and Evan were smart to pull Abby from everything but dancing. Just think what Abby would have pulled over the off-Broadway that Nia did. It’s all about the managerial fees where Abby was concerned!
Alexa is constantly my favorite, even when she’s not there lol Also, Ashlee wasn’t wrong 🫠 abby choreo beating a mini bd winner number is questionable at best
it’s so sad that the production and abby only accepted outside opportunities for maddie to push the narrative that she was the favorite and the most talented… bc for those girls it’s not just a show it’s their lives, and they were held back from their full potential bc adults were playing games with them. holly knew this and tried to take matters into her own hands so they did everything to tear nia down. it’s incredibly sad and unfortunate :/
Simple reason: no one really understood that portion of the contract. Abby said I’m their manager yet Melissa went Hollywood first season. Jessalynn never signed Abby’s contract.
@@lindamartindale6496 Seems like Holly didn't either (signed the ALDC contract but didn't have her as Nia's manager). Abby keeps saying something about how the producers told her to rip up their contracts as she would have so much money coming in she wouldn't need them. Wonder if Melissa and Jill signed a contract specifically making Abby the manager of their girls especially as it only seems to be their girls who were being managed by Abby.
@@snappiepappie9899 if you notice-Holly and Nia checked out on Abby season 4. Holly got tired of Abby ignoring Nia’s career. He stayed and honored Lifetime but moved in other directions with singing acting. Abby was so focused on the Ziegler’s it wasn’t funny!
What is shocking is how different the final edit is from what actually happened during filming! Wow, so much goes on that I had no idea about! How on Earth do you find the video clips as well as the notes? This is amazing. I don't know why you don't have millions of subs! You do so much awesome work, thank you.
It all happened so fast for them. This is only 3 and a half years after the initial filming began. As a kid, that’s a long time. As an adult, that’s nothing. I think they all were just reacting to the situations they were in that were happening so fast around them.
I had to look it up to check because I can't believe this was only 3 years later... It feels like the jump from season 1 to 5 was like 5 years, holy crap
@@speedy-gonzalex4627 yeah it’s crazy. Initial filming began in April 2011. This would have been around fall 2014. Seems like it would have been a much longer time but it wasn’t.
Melissa had already started to process of getting getting the Ziegler’s out, it took two years...so she was treading carefully...poor Jojo was not wanted or liked...she was so little.
Theirs no way that Kendal should of beat Bryn, infact I’m surprised Kendal even got in the top 5 with that solo! Wasn’t even at the same standard as Bryns.
When candy apples came in and read what Kira sent 😬 then how she was BERATING Sarah in front of her over something Tracey supposedly did :(((((( you can tell in this episode that Sarah doesn’t look that confident 🙁
Also it's good kalani and Sarah are good now They recently went to a wedding ttogwther as bridesmaids to one of their childhood friends But ya it's so sad how mom drama ruins children's friendships
Abby deliberately told the men not to choose Nia… idk how Holly & Nia stayed as long as they did with a teacher like that. I truly don’t think it’s the flex people make it out to be just because they like them. I wouldn’t keep my child under a mediocre teacher like that nor would I go out of my way to stay in contact. I admire Christi and Kelly more for having the guts and the self respect to leave such awful situations even if they were on tv, the fame and the “opportunities” they rarely got (and usually had to get on their own bc Abby sure wasn’t helping lol) wasn’t worth it.
I agree about Kelly but I lost this respect for Christi after she brought Chloe back in Season 7 ngl. Chloe had the same anxiety and pain in Season 7 as she did in the earlier seasons and idk why Christi brought Chloe back to a place where she clearly wasn’t being appreciated and that gave her stress and pain. To me, getting your child out and then bringing them back is almost worse than not taking them out in the first place
As a figure skater, I’d like to say playing Tonya Harding would be amazing. So would be playing Nancy Karigan. Either role would be amazing to portray.
I honestly believe they brought in Tracy and Ashlee to make waves with Kira. I've watched the Austin and Ally with Maddie. She did a good job acting in it. Interesting that Matty B's people were so interested in Maddie, probably trying to get some clicks from her fame. As if Abby actually had any day in who the cast members were lol
It was always so weird to me how Kendall was pinned as the pretty one since she first arrived on the show. We all have eyes and can see that yes she’s beautiful but she has nothing on Paige, Brooke, Maddie, Mackenzie, or Nia. I think they had to come up with something to label her as to make her casting make sense. They definitely casted her because of Jill, not her dancing or talents or beauty
I have watched every single one of your videos and I have learned so much about Dance Moms and the truth about what really transpired. Thank you for all of the time, energy, and effort that you put into making these videos. 💞
It shocks me that a woman with such an eye for talent who knows what she is talking about and has such a strong force group of Children in front of her that can make something out of nothing and are truly stronger together. They are elegant when the dance and they pull it out of you when you watch them. But with all Abby was blessed with and she had the opportunities to make them more then stars stars burn out. But those gils girls each one proved themselves as they were all different looks build technique but together they were one and she ruined friendship childhoods and wounded so e spirits.. she could made them bigger than stars she should have made them dancing legends. She didn't have to hold their hand she didn't even have to be nice. A true coach and good coach doesn't win personality contests but they win championships. I admire the girls and pray they know each one is amazing I love to watch the dances I I hated dance when I was a kid but watching them I gained a new respect for it and tons for them
Shows how arrogant and deluded the moms were - yes their children were good dances and sometimes deserved to win, but to think that the judging was completely fair and unbiased in every competition is stupid
I can't believe abby is legit sabotaging the young girls and their singing careers, it's so sad Kendall should of said no to abby managing her heaps before now
I am such a big fan and I lovee your videos! Thank you for informing me about dance moms behind the scenes and telling me things I've never learnt before! Lots of love from melbourne
truly. just because it was a different type of abuse doesn’t mean it wasn’t abuse, abby emotionally manipulated and isolated maddie from her friends for her own benefit. their relationship was toxic at best, and abusive at worst
@@ranniwolves Yes, you don't hyperventilate and ask for a do over because you are so worried that you have let someone down like Maddie did when she forgot her dance if it is a healthy relationship.
I don't understand why the producers or even Abby continue to put Sarah & Tracey on the team just to kick her off the team the next day like what was the point of her even being there anyways I truly believe that The Reasons should've been given official ALDC jackets during Season 5 and become permanent members of the team. Tracey gave a lot more drama and the producers eat it up constantly so for Abby or even the producers to kick them off all the time was disgusting.
I just can’t fathom why Kendall wasn’t considered for the lead when she danced and sang really well whereas Jo Jo was tongue tied and Kenzie was nervous
because kendall is boring. kenzie can sing and had previous experience on a music video set at this point. and jojo attacked the dances and put her personality into all of it. kendall does nothing. she's just basic.
I can just hear that awful fake Hollywood networking conversation between Blake and Melissa. “So Maddie did that Sia video, not bad. We’ve been doing some videos with Matty recently that have gotten a lot of traction, might wanna take a look at doing a collab …”
Abby before the show would have favourites like Maddie (with Brooke being the favourite when she was that age), she also said that she would have people that she would compare to each other all the time as she thinks it makes people improve when they can see their competition (kind of what she was doing with Maddie and Chloe). Don't know if the girls knew that they would still be there regardless, we saw that Holly thought it was a waste of time so don't know if the mums knew that they couldn't be kicked or not. Pretty sure from Abby's point of view (unless it was a production decision) it was for them to see what their competition is and how many people wanted their spot to give more credence to her everyone's replaceable.
I believe it was just for the drama. It's been said by many cast members that producers had the only say in keeping or kicking off dancers, not Abby. So the show pretended that there was some stakes in the og girls auditioning so that the audience would be more invested in the auditions. Also the moms complained about it and that also made good TV.
Thank you for these episodes! They are both entertaining and informative, and they usually confirm my suspicions. Abby said in an interview that they all knew she couldn't kick them out, nor could they quit, so her response was to be as evil as possible to anybody and everybody she didn't like... giving totally nasty and biased choreo, criticism, corrections, etc. This abuse fell hardest on the Hyland and Lukasiak families, who were clever enough to eventually find a couple loopholes that got them off of the show, and away from the exploitive, uncaring producers and the greedy, narcissist, Abby Lee miller. Brooke, having once been the favorite, realized, in her teenaged wisdom, that Abby was not the ultimate authority... on anything, and her growing disillusionment and disrespect was pretty obvious. However, it was poor Page who suffered the brunt of Abby's frustrations. According to Abby, pretty Paige was never really a dancer, and all she had going for her were her looks. Not only was that degrading to a child who was dedicated and working diligently on her craft, but more than once Abby expressed how much Paige looked like her mother, Kelly, who,, "squandered away her talent and beauty." The history between Abby and Kelly goes way back to early childhood, and I'm convinced the biggest problem between Abby and Kelly can be boiled down to good old fashioned jelousy. Once Abby realized she could torment and terrorize her students (and the moms) with no repercussions, Abby became insufferable and browbeat and pushed kelly over the edge. Once they were gone she set her sites on another thorn in her side, Chloe (who was, btw, just a child!) and her mom, Christie. Chloe was in a tough spot; she was very talented, lovely, sweet, and very likable, but something about her brought out the bully in Abby, and Christie, her hilariously snarky mom, was quite bitter and outspoken from day one of the show. Eventually, Abby's insults hit way below the belt, and Chloe and Christie left. Abby then started in on Nia, antagonizing Holly, but Holly was having none of it Abby was no match for Dr. Holly, a title Abby tried saying disparagingly, but only came off as jelous and kind of ignorant.. Holly is smart. She caught on pretty early to what the show was really about and that Abby had no real power... and she made her moves accordingly. It took Jill a bit longer to catch on, unfortunately for Kendyl. Even Melissa caught on towards the end, but she'd already played that game for so long, it didn't drastically change anything she did, except, perhaps, occasionally speaking up for Makenzie. I'm not convinced Ashley had a clue, but her kid happened to be the perfect foil for abby to use against the others, so she just fell ass-backwards into a pretty sweet deal. Even detached Kyra was occasionally sucked into the drama, but Kalani was usually on the positive side of the favoritism. All told, they played a pretty good game. I'm not even going to mention the distraction kids or the minis, etc, because those moms all came in like wrecking balls and were as subtle as a prize-winning hog in a beauty pageant! They all lacked any depth of character and were putty in Abby's (and the producers') hands. The smartest mother/ daughter duo? Jojo and Jes! They knew exactly what they were signing on for and what roles they needed to play. Of course, jojo was still just a child and a few times Abby's crap would sneak past the strong defenses they'd developed for the show, but for the most part, they knowingly played the game and played it well. They also knew exactly when and how to exit the show Even now, with Dance Moms in her rearview mirror, Jojo has gained positive publicity by reaching out to, and standing by, her cancer-fighting, wheelchair-bound, just-got- out -of- jail, former dance teacher, Miss Abby. Genius! None of us would have blamed her for turning her back on this "monstrosity of evil" (thank you Dr. Holly for that choice nugget!) who'd treated her so horribly (as pretty much all of the other girls have,) but not this savvy duo. How extra likable was jojo after showing her support to someone who didn't deserve it? and she doesn't pretend like the past was all hunky-dorry...she laughs with Abby about it and makes light of how much Abby hated and picked on her.... Genius!
@@jaymifieldhouse9177 Ashlee went on Brynn's podcast. She did know the deal and what was expected. She said that the producers would have multiple potential storylines in mind to go along with the people who got solos and if the mother didn't cause enough drama to have a storyline then the child's solo wouldn't be aired. She said that Brynn had no unaired solos but that Kalani had quite a few because Kira didn't care about playing the game. Brynn said that before the show she had had dance teachers that were worse than Abby for how they spoke to their students.
This is how I know Abby desperately missed Brooke and Paige, because she couldn’t keep their names out her mouth! Years later she’s still going on about their leave.
I’m sure I am clueless but who is MattyB??? And I am shocked about the pervert around the girls. I’m quite sure Abby knew but did the Moms know???? Yikes!
@@chalkandcheese1868 iirc after season 3 the competitions were invitationals though they still had real judges (my understanding was that this was so that it was easier for filming, as too many competitions didn't want them because of the order that the girls would need to compete in to fit in with filming and labour laws). This does mean that the producers chose who they competed against each week. Would be interesting to know if any of the invited studios declined the invitation.
I’m sorry but Kira always seemed a bit off and evil to me. I mean she mocked Jojo’s speech impediment, she’s the reason for why the Hyland’s left, she talked shit about everyone else’s kids but it was never okay for anyone to critique Kalani even just a bit. Oh she and when Jojo and Jess watched the clip of the girls making fun of her…..Kira egged it on, and made it seem like it was okay. Kira was the actual bully and of course Abby.
Kiras past seems so sad and nasty And to throw children under the bus is so sad Also what abby said about jojo and brynn is so rude too Also Yes kenzie should of got recognition as a guest artist for the, attu b video so I'm glad she didn't do it or Maddie But as the other girls didn't do anything at thatbp point, outside music wise, I don't see why they couldn't do the music video
@@N84Lyfeexactly and if Tracy was talking about Kalani why would she attack Sarah ? Like what did Sarah do?? Kira should’ve took it up with Tracy in private instead of berating Sarah while she’s in the room :(
I would assume it was Kendall because most people have said she was rude. When Maddie and Kenzie left I believe JoJo said that when she first came her and Kenzie were best friends.
@@N84Lyfe Yes it does, but it didn't matter who the girls were, they were always going to be popular. The producers didn't care about Sarah or Brynn or Kalani or JoJo, they only cared about the drama their mother's could bring.
@@chalkandcheese1868 the producers the fans of the show like watching both the childrens talents and their moms look at s8 for instance it was mostly drama yet was never as big
Kenzie wasnt weak but i totally agree about the favouritism. Abby’s resentment towards nia is boarderline crazy and obsessive. Poor girl did nothing to deserve that horrible treatment
Why did Abby tell Brynn amd JoJo to go to seeing, hearing, and speech therapy? I can understand JoJo because she did had a moderate lisp, but that seems so random
Okay wow Leave Brooke out of itabby Wow jojo is rude and can't take criticism Yes kalani should of done the more ,mature routine, not kenzie Maddie is a great big sister Abby us fake and don't give an f about the girls atball
Honestly I don’t think Ashlee was entirely wrong about judges giving ALDC a higher score. Brynn beat Kendall every single time as soon as she was entered under ALDC and there’s a lot of questionable dances the Aldc won with
They're all questionable, including Chloe's "fairytale" win over Maddie at the season 2 nationals, and Nia's "fairytale" season 7 nationals victory. I wouldn't believe any of it.
@@chalkandcheese1868I have a feeling you’re going to get attacked over that
@@chalkandcheese1868 if Abby even said she thought Chloe should’ve won and other people have gone she won at energy Beverly Hills I’m pretty sure that is real. Biased queen.
@@chalkandcheese1868nah chloé jst danced better than maddie 🤷🏽♀️
@@chalkandcheese1868also if their wins are fake then Maddie’s szn 1 & 3 nationals wins are
"kenzie's song is on radio disney, someone should tell brooke"
brooke probably more supportive to kenz than anyone
Brooke literally was supporting one of Kenzie’s new songs the other day
Abby loves bullying kids
I feel like Abby’s brain wouldn’t consider the girls that much and only herself so I think she might have meant that Brooke wasn’t trusting Abby’s abilities as a manager and “she” was able to do that for kenzie.
@@federicaf1994 Abby treated Brooke horrible
@@kitleecaplinger2987 agree
"In related news, Tracey is PISSED" 😂😂😂
The tone the producers used writing the notes sometimes makes me happy lol
I just read through all the notes (I usually just listen to the audio of the video) and wowww they are SHADY 😳
"ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!" 😂😂😂
they were halfway through the first full season without brooke and paige and they still lived in abby's head rent free. pathetic.
Chloe still does.
abby loved them like their own kids
@@chungleanne2690lies
@@chungleanne2690adults still shouldn’t treat their kids that way. No excuses. even just throwing the chair at poor Paige is enough evidence of that
@@chungleanne2690no she didn’t 😂 Abby herself has confirmed that she treated Christi and Chloe horribly because they couldn’t get out their contract . (Rosie O’Donell show ) Abby also said she never wanted to Chloe to win and she won all the time . (Season 8.) so stop saying this when Abby has confirmed herself she didn’t like Chloe and Christi for some odd reason .
the note "Abby, roaring like a dragon" was accurate and hilarious
It's sad knowing all these kids could've done Broadway and Disney. I know they had a lot of callbacks but, none of them could say yes due to the contract.
as horrible as many of the producers are, the notes are fucking hilarious. “tracy whines, (her only method of communicating as we will soon discover)”😭😭
Brynn has actually spoken out about the previous competition where Kendall beat her. Brynn believes it was rigged as her solo won TDA( the dance awards if anyone isn’t familiar) but got beat at a regular competition by a Bollywood solo
Abby really hated Nia, yet Nia and Holly stayed to the end and were very nice when Abby was getting the karma that she deserved with getting caught for her illegal activity and going to prison. Abby should be grateful that Holly hasn’t said nasty things like all of the other OG moms have. Dr. Holly is too classy for Abby’s trashiness
It’s all about the money for Abby. She once said Nia had the better voice then said she wanted Nia to sing skat/blues. Holly and Evan were smart to pull Abby from everything but dancing. Just think what Abby would have pulled over the off-Broadway that Nia did. It’s all about the managerial fees where Abby was concerned!
the level of unseriousness in this week's producer notes 😭 they were so over abby
I can't believe you didn't comment on "wielding her omnipotence like an angry God" lmao that's the best line ever
Alexa is constantly my favorite, even when she’s not there lol
Also, Ashlee wasn’t wrong 🫠 abby choreo beating a mini bd winner number is questionable at best
it’s so sad that the production and abby only accepted outside opportunities for maddie to push the narrative that she was the favorite and the most talented… bc for those girls it’s not just a show it’s their lives, and they were held back from their full potential bc adults were playing games with them. holly knew this and tried to take matters into her own hands so they did everything to tear nia down. it’s incredibly sad and unfortunate :/
Why any of the moms would ever have Abby be a manager for their kids when she constantly does unprofessional nonsense like this is truly beyond me 🙄
Simple reason: no one really understood that portion of the contract. Abby said I’m their manager yet Melissa went Hollywood first season. Jessalynn never signed Abby’s contract.
@@lindamartindale6496 Seems like Holly didn't either (signed the ALDC contract but didn't have her as Nia's manager). Abby keeps saying something about how the producers told her to rip up their contracts as she would have so much money coming in she wouldn't need them. Wonder if Melissa and Jill signed a contract specifically making Abby the manager of their girls especially as it only seems to be their girls who were being managed by Abby.
For realll, or even stay with her for 7 seasons when all she did was destroy their kids😭✋
@@snappiepappie9899 if you notice-Holly and Nia checked out on Abby season 4. Holly got tired of Abby ignoring Nia’s career. He stayed and honored Lifetime but moved in other directions with singing acting. Abby was so focused on the Ziegler’s it wasn’t funny!
@@lindamartindale6496 Checked out on her?? but still stayed with Abby for 7 seasons to sabotage and bully her? Yeah no, always excuses for Holly
Kenzie was amazing! Two groups and a duet! And she was the younger one!!
What is shocking is how different the final edit is from what actually happened during filming! Wow, so much goes on that I had no idea about! How on Earth do you find the video clips as well as the notes? This is amazing. I don't know why you don't have millions of subs! You do so much awesome work, thank you.
The clips are mainly from the show and sometimes from fan footage at meet n greets and other stuff
A storage unit full of dance moms memorabilia was sold that had the production notes in it, and from there MackZBoss bought them online :-)
It all happened so fast for them. This is only 3 and a half years after the initial filming began. As a kid, that’s a long time. As an adult, that’s nothing.
I think they all were just reacting to the situations they were in that were happening so fast around them.
I had to look it up to check because I can't believe this was only 3 years later... It feels like the jump from season 1 to 5 was like 5 years, holy crap
@@speedy-gonzalex4627 yeah it’s crazy. Initial filming began in April 2011. This would have been around fall 2014. Seems like it would have been a much longer time but it wasn’t.
Melissa had already started to process of getting getting the Ziegler’s out, it took two years...so she was treading carefully...poor Jojo was not wanted or liked...she was so little.
Theirs no way that Kendal should of beat Bryn, infact I’m surprised Kendal even got in the top 5 with that solo! Wasn’t even at the same standard as Bryns.
Kira is shady and I’ve known it from the beginning
Frrrr
When candy apples came in and read what Kira sent 😬 then how she was BERATING Sarah in front of her over something Tracey supposedly did :(((((( you can tell in this episode that Sarah doesn’t look that confident 🙁
Abbys hate towards Nia is so fucked up
Poor girl
Also it's good kalani and Sarah are good now
They recently went to a wedding ttogwther as bridesmaids to one of their childhood friends
But ya it's so sad how mom drama ruins children's friendships
Abby deliberately told the men not to choose Nia… idk how Holly & Nia stayed as long as they did with a teacher like that. I truly don’t think it’s the flex people make it out to be just because they like them. I wouldn’t keep my child under a mediocre teacher like that nor would I go out of my way to stay in contact. I admire Christi and Kelly more for having the guts and the self respect to leave such awful situations even if they were on tv, the fame and the “opportunities” they rarely got (and usually had to get on their own bc Abby sure wasn’t helping lol) wasn’t worth it.
I agree about Kelly but I lost this respect for Christi after she brought Chloe back in Season 7 ngl. Chloe had the same anxiety and pain in Season 7 as she did in the earlier seasons and idk why Christi brought Chloe back to a place where she clearly wasn’t being appreciated and that gave her stress and pain. To me, getting your child out and then bringing them back is almost worse than not taking them out in the first place
@@mimiray7836Abby’s wasn’t there so it wasn’t as baf
As a figure skater, I’d like to say playing Tonya Harding would be amazing. So would be playing Nancy Karigan. Either role would be amazing to portray.
I honestly believe they brought in Tracy and Ashlee to make waves with Kira.
I've watched the Austin and Ally with Maddie. She did a good job acting in it.
Interesting that Matty B's people were so interested in Maddie, probably trying to get some clicks from her fame.
As if Abby actually had any day in who the cast members were lol
She has such a lovely voice.
the way the moms gossip like they're teenagers at lunch time.... it's literal brain rot hearing them throw insults and accusations back and forth.
Her voice is so calming
It was always so weird to me how Kendall was pinned as the pretty one since she first arrived on the show. We all have eyes and can see that yes she’s beautiful but she has nothing on Paige, Brooke, Maddie, Mackenzie, or Nia.
I think they had to come up with something to label her as to make her casting make sense. They definitely casted her because of Jill, not her dancing or talents or beauty
I knew I wasn’t the one who was creeped out by the way the men were gawking at the girls in the audition.
It's so much creepier watching it now...one of them called kalani a "pin up" 🤢🤢🤢
@@kelsey2333I know 🤮 it’s so concerning. That’s basically the equivalent of saying that she looks like a OnlyFans girl
I have watched every single one of your videos and I have learned so much about Dance Moms and the truth about what really transpired. Thank you for all of the time, energy, and effort that you put into making these videos. 💞
You can tell that whoever wrote the notes can't stand Abby. Great video as usual, thanks x
I don’t think Ashlee was wrong but it’s my opinion
I’m not a fan of Ashlee but she made some points.
It shocks me that a woman with such an eye for talent who knows what she is talking about and has such a strong force group of Children in front of her that can make something out of nothing and are truly stronger together. They are elegant when the dance and they pull it out of you when you watch them. But with all Abby was blessed with and she had the opportunities to make them more then stars stars burn out. But those gils girls each one proved themselves as they were all different looks build technique but together they were one and she ruined friendship childhoods and wounded so e spirits.. she could made them bigger than stars she should have made them dancing legends. She didn't have to hold their hand she didn't even have to be nice. A true coach and good coach doesn't win personality contests but they win championships. I admire the girls and pray they know each one is amazing I love to watch the dances I
I hated dance when I was a kid but watching them I gained a new respect for it and tons for them
Another great upload. Thank you for all your hard work for us. I loved the sassy producer notes for these episodes, absolute gold
It’s crazy how the moms really wanted this but the producers were creeps. No fault on them they didn’t know it’s just I wonder how they feel now?
Lol, i think Abby's problem woth Tracey and Sarsh was that they were buddies with Christi and Chloe
Dude I remember them airing Melissa and Jill’s reenactment of tonya and Nancy vividly! But it’s not online anymore!!!
I REMEMBER THIS TOO OMG I THOUGHT I MADE THIS UP??!!!!!!!
thank you so much for making this content! its so detailed and really exposes this show for what it really is.
Shows how arrogant and deluded the moms were - yes their children were good dances and sometimes deserved to win, but to think that the judging was completely fair and unbiased in every competition is stupid
I can't believe abby is legit sabotaging the young girls and their singing careers, it's so sad
Kendall should of said no to abby managing her heaps before now
I am such a big fan and I lovee your videos! Thank you for informing me about dance moms behind the scenes and telling me things I've never learnt before! Lots of love from melbourne
Did the producers never do background checks on the people they involve with the show, and who they show on their screen?
Abby really did talk bad to Maddie as well. That is really a shame that people still don’t recognize it.
truly. just because it was a different type of abuse doesn’t mean it wasn’t abuse, abby emotionally manipulated and isolated maddie from her friends for her own benefit. their relationship was toxic at best, and abusive at worst
@@ranniwolves and even verbally abusing her as well
@@ranniwolves Yes, you don't hyperventilate and ask for a do over because you are so worried that you have let someone down like Maddie did when she forgot her dance if it is a healthy relationship.
Yeah I agree with you entirely!!!
They think oh it's favorite treatment no that's obsession.
I don't understand why the producers or even Abby continue to put Sarah & Tracey on the team just to kick her off the team the next day like what was the point of her even being there anyways I truly believe that The Reasons should've been given official ALDC jackets during Season 5 and become permanent members of the team. Tracey gave a lot more drama and the producers eat it up constantly so for Abby or even the producers to kick them off all the time was disgusting.
U you oh know it’s a good day a the 👑 posts
“Roaring like a dragon”😂😂😂
I just can’t fathom why Kendall wasn’t considered for the lead when she danced and sang really well whereas Jo Jo was tongue tied and Kenzie was nervous
She didn’t really stand out
They needed a shorter girl
Abby didn’t care about Kendall...
because kendall is boring. kenzie can sing and had previous experience on a music video set at this point. and jojo attacked the dances and put her personality into all of it. kendall does nothing. she's just basic.
why are these production notes suddenly opinionated and sassy lol... like 12:47 - they've done that before but usually just at abby sparingly
Ik i like it 😏
This is the earliest I’ve ever been to one of these videos.. Love your work, Mackzboss #queen 👑
I can just hear that awful fake Hollywood networking conversation between Blake and Melissa. “So Maddie did that Sia video, not bad. We’ve been doing some videos with Matty recently that have gotten a lot of traction, might wanna take a look at doing a collab …”
Do you know why the girls had to go to perform in the open calls when Abby wouldn't be able to kick them off regardless of how they perform?
Abby before the show would have favourites like Maddie (with Brooke being the favourite when she was that age), she also said that she would have people that she would compare to each other all the time as she thinks it makes people improve when they can see their competition (kind of what she was doing with Maddie and Chloe). Don't know if the girls knew that they would still be there regardless, we saw that Holly thought it was a waste of time so don't know if the mums knew that they couldn't be kicked or not. Pretty sure from Abby's point of view (unless it was a production decision) it was for them to see what their competition is and how many people wanted their spot to give more credence to her everyone's replaceable.
I believe it was just for the drama. It's been said by many cast members that producers had the only say in keeping or kicking off dancers, not Abby. So the show pretended that there was some stakes in the og girls auditioning so that the audience would be more invested in the auditions. Also the moms complained about it and that also made good TV.
Thank you for these episodes! They are both entertaining and informative, and they usually confirm my suspicions.
Abby said in an interview that they all knew she couldn't kick them out, nor could they quit, so her response was to be as evil as possible to anybody and everybody she didn't like... giving totally nasty and biased choreo, criticism, corrections, etc.
This abuse fell hardest on the Hyland and Lukasiak families, who were clever enough to eventually find a couple loopholes that got them off of the show, and away from the exploitive, uncaring producers and the greedy, narcissist, Abby Lee miller.
Brooke, having once been the favorite, realized, in her teenaged wisdom, that Abby was not the ultimate authority... on anything, and her growing disillusionment and disrespect was pretty obvious.
However, it was poor Page who suffered the brunt of Abby's frustrations. According to Abby, pretty Paige was never really a dancer, and all she had going for her were her looks. Not only was that degrading to a child who was dedicated and working diligently on her craft, but more than once Abby expressed how much Paige looked like her mother, Kelly, who,, "squandered away her talent and beauty."
The history between Abby and Kelly goes way back to early childhood, and I'm convinced the biggest problem between Abby and Kelly can be boiled down to good old fashioned jelousy.
Once Abby realized she could torment and terrorize her students (and the moms) with no repercussions, Abby became insufferable and browbeat and pushed kelly over the edge. Once they were gone she set her sites on another thorn in her side, Chloe (who was, btw, just a child!) and her mom, Christie.
Chloe was in a tough spot; she was very talented, lovely, sweet, and very likable, but something about her brought out the bully in Abby, and Christie, her hilariously snarky mom, was quite bitter and outspoken from day one of the show. Eventually, Abby's insults hit way below the belt, and Chloe and Christie left.
Abby then started in on Nia, antagonizing Holly, but Holly was having none of it
Abby was no match for Dr. Holly, a title Abby tried saying disparagingly, but only came off as jelous and kind of ignorant..
Holly is smart. She caught on pretty early to what the show was really about and that Abby had no real power... and she made her moves accordingly.
It took Jill a bit longer to catch on, unfortunately for Kendyl. Even Melissa caught on towards the end, but she'd already played that game for so long, it didn't drastically change anything she did, except, perhaps, occasionally speaking up for Makenzie.
I'm not convinced Ashley had a clue, but her kid happened to be the perfect foil for abby to use against the others, so she just fell ass-backwards into a pretty sweet deal.
Even detached Kyra was occasionally sucked into the drama, but Kalani was usually on the positive side of the favoritism. All told, they played a pretty good game.
I'm not even going to mention the distraction kids or the minis, etc, because those moms all came in like wrecking balls and were as subtle as a prize-winning hog in a beauty pageant! They all lacked any depth of character and were putty in Abby's (and the producers') hands.
The smartest mother/ daughter duo? Jojo and Jes! They knew exactly what they were signing on for and what roles they needed to play. Of course, jojo was still just a child and a few times Abby's crap would sneak past the strong defenses they'd developed for the show, but for the most part, they knowingly played the game and played it well. They also knew exactly when and how to exit the show
Even now, with Dance Moms in her rearview mirror, Jojo has gained positive publicity by reaching out to, and standing by, her cancer-fighting, wheelchair-bound, just-got- out -of- jail, former dance teacher, Miss Abby. Genius!
None of us would have blamed her for turning her back on this "monstrosity of evil" (thank you Dr. Holly for that choice nugget!) who'd treated her so horribly (as pretty much all of the other girls have,) but not this savvy duo. How extra likable was jojo after showing her support to someone who didn't deserve it? and she doesn't pretend like the past was all hunky-dorry...she laughs with Abby about it and makes light of how much Abby hated and picked on her.... Genius!
@@jaymifieldhouse9177 Ashlee went on Brynn's podcast. She did know the deal and what was expected. She said that the producers would have multiple potential storylines in mind to go along with the people who got solos and if the mother didn't cause enough drama to have a storyline then the child's solo wouldn't be aired. She said that Brynn had no unaired solos but that Kalani had quite a few because Kira didn't care about playing the game. Brynn said that before the show she had had dance teachers that were worse than Abby for how they spoke to their students.
why are the producers kinda funny with their little remarks written in their notes lol
This is how I know Abby desperately missed Brooke and Paige, because she couldn’t keep their names out her mouth! Years later she’s still going on about their leave.
This episode alone confirms that Abby was only interested in Mackenzie’s career to get a quick buck.
12:33 I had to pause and figure out wth I was seeing!
The reflections of rhe mirror made my brain glitch out.
i forgot how much i love watching these! :)
the fact i just rewatched these episodes and this is the first video on my youtube feed 😂😂
wow, whoever wrote the notes really can't stand Tracy 😭
I love your videos MackZBoss! They’re so interesting and eye opening 😇😇😇😇
Please do the Battle of popstars, Kendall vs Chloe 🥺
She doesn’t have the production notes for that season.
@@melissapreslee 😞
OMG I LUV U FOR FINDING THESE
I’m sure I am clueless but who is MattyB??? And I am shocked about the pervert around the girls. I’m quite sure Abby knew but did the Moms know???? Yikes!
Can't believe Ashlee started draama I'm s5, I forgot she did i thought it was only s6
Kira is so disgusting for talking about Sara like that
We’ve already exposed that there are some competitions that were fake
After season 1 they probably all were.
@@chalkandcheese1868 nah the competitions named were from after s3
@@chalkandcheese1868 iirc after season 3 the competitions were invitationals though they still had real judges (my understanding was that this was so that it was easier for filming, as too many competitions didn't want them because of the order that the girls would need to compete in to fit in with filming and labour laws). This does mean that the producers chose who they competed against each week. Would be interesting to know if any of the invited studios declined the invitation.
@@amandamandamands yea some did decline she has a video on this very topic too
Can you do an episode of DM uncovered on Abby’s audition during the series?
I’m sorry but Kira always seemed a bit off and evil to me. I mean she mocked Jojo’s speech impediment, she’s the reason for why the Hyland’s left, she talked shit about everyone else’s kids but it was never okay for anyone to critique Kalani even just a bit. Oh she and when Jojo and Jess watched the clip of the girls making fun of her…..Kira egged it on, and made it seem like it was okay. Kira was the actual bully and of course Abby.
Love your videos so much
O wish we saw more of the girls listening to each others music
Kiras past seems so sad and nasty
And to throw children under the bus is so sad
Also what abby said about jojo and brynn is so rude too
Also Yes kenzie should of got recognition as a guest artist for the, attu b video so I'm glad she didn't do it or Maddie
But as the other girls didn't do anything at thatbp point, outside music wise, I don't see why they couldn't do the music video
5:32 I’m sorry y’all were ALREADY talking about Kalani!
And when did Tracy say anything about kalani before Kira went after Sarah? We have never once heard Sarah or Tracy say anything about kalani
@@N84Lyfeexactly and if Tracy was talking about Kalani why would she attack Sarah ? Like what did Sarah do?? Kira should’ve took it up with Tracy in private instead of berating Sarah while she’s in the room :(
No one going to talk about all this Kira stuff? Is it all true?? Ajkskja what a mess..
That Mackenzie hand up to Jojos face makes me wonder if Mackenzie or Kendall were the ones who were mean to Jojo like Jess said.
Kendall is the mean one of this team say by some people
@@kitleecaplinger2987 yea I heard but doing that is rude there was also some speculation that it was Mackenzie and kalani as well
@@N84Lyfe wait Mackenzie is rude
That’s what the speculation was
I would assume it was Kendall because most people have said she was rude. When Maddie and Kenzie left I believe JoJo said that when she first came her and Kenzie were best friends.
The kids are largely irrelevant in this show, it's all about the mothers, hence the title I guess.
This show has a lot of fans due to the girls as well
@@N84Lyfe Yes it does, but it didn't matter who the girls were, they were always going to be popular. The producers didn't care about Sarah or Brynn or Kalani or JoJo, they only cared about the drama their mother's could bring.
@@chalkandcheese1868 the producers the fans of the show like watching both the childrens talents and their moms look at s8 for instance it was mostly drama yet was never as big
@@N84Lyfe That's true, but I think people were over the show by then.
@@chalkandcheese1868 they still had millions of views it was definitely still relevant just no one liked the drama anymore
Masdie is an amazing actress
Wtf
tracey and ashlee ate...
I don't blame the moms for being against Abby bringing new guests for like half of the show.
Cool
does anyone know which NBA player that Ashlee is referring to??
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Abby definitely favourited Mackenzie, very unfairly, because Kendall and Nia were better singers than her, and she was one of the weakest dancers
Umm Mackenzie was never a weak dancer first off and second her voice was good but her voice got better over time and now her voice is amazing
Paige was literally weaker as a dancer than Mackenzie and Nia too
Kenzie wasnt weak but i totally agree about the favouritism. Abby’s resentment towards nia is boarderline crazy and obsessive. Poor girl did nothing to deserve that horrible treatment
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I cant stand abby always going atfer Nia
OMG
Why did Abby tell Brynn amd JoJo to go to seeing, hearing, and speech therapy?
I can understand JoJo because she did had a moderate lisp, but that seems so random
EARLY
Okay wow
Leave Brooke out of itabby
Wow jojo is rude and can't take criticism
Yes kalani should of done the more ,mature routine, not kenzie
Maddie is a great big sister
Abby us fake and don't give an f about the girls atball
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