rule 8.9 of the road racing regs for bc. "It is the responsibility of an overtaking rider to pass in a safe manner" might be good etiquette to get out of the way and most will do what they can but not his fault
It's a great video and I love to see it. However, that crash is definitely not the lapped guy 's fault. He backed down and held his line, not trying to fight you. It's on the people lapping to make their way around him. Did you want him to stop and get off his bike for you?
@@mitchellsteindler for the same reason F1 doesnt make cars that are lapped stop. If you are faster, pass safely. Its in you. Completely agree with @jabbathehutt on this.
The lapped rider forced the riders to the outside of the circuit where there are white lines etc lapped rider should eased up or been on the right hand side so the break could have gone underneath him and carried on
Safest thing for lapped rider was surely to hold the line like he did… lead rider went in too hot, there was no time heading into that corner for the guy to do anything else
He backed off Cam, the faller should of anticipated he would hold his line and take precaution, IMHO not the lapped drivers fault. i say this not as a bike racer but a car racer, when we are being lapped (regularly sadly 😂), yes you back off but you never deviate your line and if that means the racing line, it is up to the faster driver to anticipate and go round...just saying
*should have, ...but it was the lapped rider's fault. He should have backed off more and left the racing line to the racers in the lead, instead he just floated on in there, like "GOOD LUCK"
As per usual another nice video showing a race from the riders position, perhaps add a rear camera next, watched quite a few races and never ever wanted to to take part and after seeing that chap slide i now know i made the right choice. Look forward to your next one.
I was in this race. Was my first town centre crit in a e/1/2 and I was a lost cause straight away. Was at the back of the bunch on the line, and that’s all she wrote!
Brilliant! really enjoyed watching that with your thoughts, tactics and decisions, early stages the rider in front was picking terrible lines, losing momentum and having to work harder out of the corners. A rear camera would make it even better imo👌
Disagree with the lapped rider incident tbh. He was on the inside entering the corner and hugged it predictably throughout. Braking or swapping lines at such a late stage would likely cause a different crash which would definitely be his fault. It was that other rider that came down, simply by taking a weird line on a slippery part of the corner. Just compare his line to the guy in front of him, who managed to get around fine while leaving space on the inside for the lapped guy. On the whole, lapped riders should give lead riders priority, but only if it's safe to do so in a specific moment. It's up to the overtaking riders to anticipate what to do as they can see what's ahead of them.
Nope. The leaders on that course at that speed are using the whole road. He should have been on the outside, or STOPPED before entering the corner...then gone back to his car to regroup for the next race.
timing chips for the bigger events and some circuit stuff. others you have spotters to mark people off as they pass which can get tough when theres a load of riders. looking at this event theyd probably be using timing chips
In a crazy tight course like this, with all the turns, the promoters should have announced in the race flyer that riders about to be lapped, would be pulled. I was under the impression that sanctioned races in the UK didn't allow cameras.......Question: In the UK, do the rules allow you to work with your teammate who was a lap ahead of you? PS The lapped rider was responsible for that crash. Good race.
This year they have changed it so if you have permission from the organiser you can use one. Also where did you expect the lapped rider to go? If they're going to hit the apex at the same time as the group it's better to carry speed so you don't open up a gap
Damn, a lot of people seem to know f all about bike racing. If you are lapped let the whole group pass on the straightaways or stop and wait. You can clearly see that the lapped rider forced the other rider wide and made the corner much more tighter than it was and therefore causing the crash. The other rider wasn’t carrying too much speed because he had the same speed as the guy in front who had an open line and didn’t crash. Therefore the forced change of line caused the crash not the speed the rider was carrying. Saying the lapped rider didn’t cause the crash is just beyond ridiculous.
How in the names of Bradley Wiggins do you maintain that pace for an hour 😬😬 on a slow training ride I'm lucky to maintain 18mph avarage, I think I need to come training with you ?
I call bullshit on your judgement of the lapped rider incident Cameron. You've got this wrong. The lapped rider met the apex of the corner at the same time as the lapping rider (who was on the racing line) - where they hell should he have gone? Come to a complete stop and cause a crash that way? Bullshit dude.
the 'lapped' rider had no visual of riders approaching, so onus is on the approaching rider/s to adapt to situation presented and change line ( and go through safely), didn't have the skill-set for the choice he made ... so down he went.
Watch the crash at 0.25 speed and you can see for sure Its not the lapped riders fault, guy in the green jersey in front of him takes exactly the same line and doesn't come off and at no point are they on a collision course. Pretty sure his front wheel slips on the white paint which causes the crash.
@@robertwaldram5903 He was out of contention by a LONG way. His 27th place is of no importance. He should get off the road so the front runners can compete for the win unobstructed.
@@notreally2406It wasn't his fault and its the commissaires call to pull riders, you never know what can happen in a crit race, you don't just stop riding. You'd lose your $hi7 if you watched a cx race if lapped riders annoy you..🤣
Wasn’t the lapped riders fault - have been in both positions before being lapped and lapping backmarkers - this was down to the lapping rider pushing when should have backed off knowing he was going over the while painted lines.
rule 8.9 of the road racing regs for bc. "It is the responsibility of an overtaking rider to
pass in a safe manner" might be good etiquette to get out of the way and most will do what they can but not his fault
his fault
It's a great video and I love to see it.
However, that crash is definitely not the lapped guy 's fault. He backed down and held his line, not trying to fight you. It's on the people lapping to make their way around him. Did you want him to stop and get off his bike for you?
Why aren't they pulled?
@@mitchellsteindler for the same reason F1 doesnt make cars that are lapped stop. If you are faster, pass safely. Its in you. Completely agree with @jabbathehutt on this.
The lapped rider forced the riders to the outside of the circuit where there are white lines etc lapped rider should eased up or been on the right hand side so the break could have gone underneath him and carried on
@@troycollett8540 nope. regs are It is the responsibility of an overtaking rider to
pass in a safe manner
@@MarkASear not sure what reason you're referring to. But in the US, lapped riders get pulled unless the course is safe enough.
Safest thing for lapped rider was surely to hold the line like he did… lead rider went in too hot, there was no time heading into that corner for the guy to do anything else
Well you hope the rider holds his line but there’s always uncertainty
Yeah I agree .. he should of lost a bit speed, better to be safe than sorry..
He also needed to slow with evident intent and purpose to not cause confusion to the leaders. He didn't. He took the apex line away of the leaders.
Ngl the guy who crashed was an idiot, clearly they went in too hot and should have seen it coming a mile off
nope. Fault of the lappie clogging the line
He backed off Cam, the faller should of anticipated he would hold his line and take precaution, IMHO not the lapped drivers fault. i say this not as a bike racer but a car racer, when we are being lapped (regularly sadly 😂), yes you back off but you never deviate your line and if that means the racing line, it is up to the faster driver to anticipate and go round...just saying
*should have, ...but it was the lapped rider's fault. He should have backed off more and left the racing line to the racers in the lead, instead he just floated on in there, like "GOOD LUCK"
@@notreally2406 no he shouldnt. perhaps learn the rules of road racing in the UK
When you get lapped in cycling you get the F out so you don’t get in the way 👍🏼
Would love to see more of this! Heart rate would be a good addition
100% the best type of video you do Cam
Great video Cam. Missed some of this stuff and great to see you doing it again. Looking forward to the next. Take care pal.
Course looks like a desth trap tbh
Yea, thats not bike racing imo.
for me the fun is in spectating - I get to see the gopro footage for free on the Internet and the guys spand a few weeks healing borken collarbones...
Its a crit , there usually like this !
Good to have you back Cam, great video look forward to more regular videos
As per usual another nice video showing a race from the riders position, perhaps add a rear camera next, watched quite a few races and never ever wanted to to take part and after seeing that chap slide i now know i made the right choice.
Look forward to your next one.
Love these race videos, keep it up
Wow, technical course, solid racing
I was in this race. Was my first town centre crit in a e/1/2 and I was a lost cause straight away. Was at the back of the bunch on the line, and that’s all she wrote!
Brilliant! really enjoyed watching that with your thoughts, tactics and decisions, early stages the rider in front was picking terrible lines, losing momentum and having to work harder out of the corners. A rear camera would make it even better imo👌
totally agree
Disagree with the lapped rider incident tbh. He was on the inside entering the corner and hugged it predictably throughout. Braking or swapping lines at such a late stage would likely cause a different crash which would definitely be his fault. It was that other rider that came down, simply by taking a weird line on a slippery part of the corner. Just compare his line to the guy in front of him, who managed to get around fine while leaving space on the inside for the lapped guy.
On the whole, lapped riders should give lead riders priority, but only if it's safe to do so in a specific moment. It's up to the overtaking riders to anticipate what to do as they can see what's ahead of them.
Nope. The leaders on that course at that speed are using the whole road. He should have been on the outside, or STOPPED before entering the corner...then gone back to his car to regroup for the next race.
@@notreally2406 didn't know you have a burner account Cam
@@franciss2529 he might, but this isn't it
Love this video Cam 👍
Love ur videos man keep it up 🎉
Well done mate, keep going, hopefully 1st next time!
Great video!! Missed you out here 💚 . Hope to see more of this ! 🙏
The lapped rider had every right as he got to the corner first. He may not be as fast as your team but was running his own race.
The lapped rider should have gotten off the course before being lapped. Or, if must insist then don't fuck up the leaders...which he did.
You entering the Guildford TCR? would love to see a decent video on it
You can't blame the lapped rider for that crash. Terrible judgement saying he caused it
Great vid!!!
The first guy left lots of room. He slowed down and was hugging the left curb.
How do organisers even keep track who’s who in terms of placing?
timing chips for the bigger events and some circuit stuff. others you have spotters to mark people off as they pass which can get tough when theres a load of riders. looking at this event theyd probably be using timing chips
Excellent content
0W or 800+W, on/off 😂😂
Looks like a course for the cast of wacky races
In a crazy tight course like this, with all the turns, the promoters should have announced in the race flyer that riders about to be lapped, would be pulled. I was under the impression that sanctioned races in the UK didn't allow cameras.......Question: In the UK, do the rules allow you to work with your teammate who was a lap ahead of you?
PS The lapped rider was responsible for that crash.
Good race.
This year they have changed it so if you have permission from the organiser you can use one. Also where did you expect the lapped rider to go? If they're going to hit the apex at the same time as the group it's better to carry speed so you don't open up a gap
Well done.
I think you’re being too harsh on lapped rider but I enjoyed vid
I think he got it right, and everyone in the comments is wrong.
Damn, a lot of people seem to know f all about bike racing. If you are lapped let the whole group pass on the straightaways or stop and wait. You can clearly see that the lapped rider forced the other rider wide and made the corner much more tighter than it was and therefore causing the crash. The other rider wasn’t carrying too much speed because he had the same speed as the guy in front who had an open line and didn’t crash. Therefore the forced change of line caused the crash not the speed the rider was carrying. Saying the lapped rider didn’t cause the crash is just beyond ridiculous.
no chance that was the lapped riders fault. its upto you to overtake safely. there was plenty of room he just went in too hot.
Wrong. Lapped rider's fault 100%. He just slowly rolled right into the apex of a high speed technical turn. His fault all the way.
@@notreally2406 so bc are wrong? its clear as day in the rules. its up to whoever is overtaking to pass safely
pull em,, your lapped too bad.
bump for the algorithm
no sorry Cam -dont agree , that rider was following the back wheel and line of guy in front -the slide happened regardless of the guy to left
you're wrong. Cam's right
@@notreally2406
You’re wrong. He didn’t cause the crash. 🤡
He did actually coz if the lapped rider wasn’t there the break would not have been out so wide on the corner
@@troycollett8540 you dont understand. thats NOT the lapped riders problem.
@@MikeSmith-rd9fi he shouldn’t be on the racing line
@@troycollett8540 who?
He caused it 100%
How in the names of Bradley Wiggins do you maintain that pace for an hour 😬😬 on a slow training ride I'm lucky to maintain 18mph avarage, I think I need to come training with you ?
IMO that rider did nothing wrong, however it would have been sensible for them to do more to get out of the way
👍🍎🚲Fais attention
I thought British cycling didn't allow go pros on bikes.
You can ask and get permission
I call bullshit on your judgement of the lapped rider incident Cameron. You've got this wrong. The lapped rider met the apex of the corner at the same time as the lapping rider (who was on the racing line) - where they hell should he have gone? Come to a complete stop and cause a crash that way? Bullshit dude.
Nope. He nailed it. He fkd the leaders up.
Another Mickey Mouse British crit course - I’m not sure why young riders bother any more…
the 'lapped' rider had no visual of riders approaching, so onus is on the approaching rider/s to adapt to situation presented and change line ( and go through safely), didn't have the skill-set for the choice he made ... so down he went.
no
Watch the crash at 0.25 speed and you can see for sure Its not the lapped riders fault, guy in the green jersey in front of him takes exactly the same line and doesn't come off and at no point are they on a collision course. Pretty sure his front wheel slips on the white paint which causes the crash.
lapped rider's fault for clogging the apex willy nilly
he road the expected line and the riders behind could see him in advance, everyone else avoided him
@@robertwaldram5903 He was out of contention by a LONG way. His 27th place is of no importance. He should get off the road so the front runners can compete for the win unobstructed.
@@notreally2406It wasn't his fault and its the commissaires call to pull riders, you never know what can happen in a crit race, you don't just stop riding. You'd lose your $hi7 if you watched a cx race if lapped riders annoy you..🤣
Moreeeeeeeeeee
If you get lapped should stand down. Simple.
Yeah i'll keep to randonneuring.
Wasn’t the lapped riders fault - have been in both positions before being lapped and lapping backmarkers - this was down to the lapping rider pushing when should have backed off knowing he was going over the while painted lines.
They should learn how to ride a bike before racing.