Bookish is of course theories, but the references to kings of Joseon era are all historically accurate. Also the references to other points/lyrics w/in BTS & Yoongi’s discography are on point. In fact some of them are so ‘inside baseball’ that you have to already be an Army to catch a lot of it. Is this 1 persons opinion constructed from multiple sources and subject ot debate? Sure. Is there solid grounding for her interpretations that may (or may not?) be over the heads of a casual observer or a very new Army? Also yes. Might she have missed some things or failed to account for things that you saw and she didn’t? Possible. Also there’s debate as to what the artist intended. However, I’m sort of against this idea that the meaning of art can only be ‘explained’ by the artist. Audience interpretation is just as important as what the artist intended, making all interpretations valid and open for debate. In fact, wasn’t that very debate what the artist intended? (For your Baby Army eyes, Bookish is considered very solid w/in the fandom.)
The video is No More Dream, their very first MV which came out June 12 2013. And it's great. And looking at it now shows where they started and how far they've come.💜
AGREED! Starting at the beginning and moving forward is a great way to see the progression and growth of the band and it helps to prevent so much confusion.💜
DKDTV (can't remember the name correctly) is explaining the songs(Lyrics) from a korean language perspective (idioms, wordplay, double meaning in words and kinda cultural political philosophical background of bts and the context in which the song was made and wrote) so it's good to see it from another perspective
DKDKTV knows their audience is westerners. The guys explains it to us in a succinct way and understandable for us. I appreciate both videos of both theories but you have only so much time as you said.
Thanks for checking out more. I love that you are deep diving in to these. I also appreciate what the Bookish Theories videos provide on historical references and such. As for the 'theories' on what he meant by any of this, only he really knows, and he has said (as they all have) that they like the listener/viewer to interpret it for themselves. There are a couple of things in her video tho' that do contradict what little he has personally said about the king vs the low class version of his persona in this video. The very first "bodies" in the aerial shot were supposed to be "headless" but the ones you paused on were those bowing before the king. The detail they went through for the historical references with how the butchers were often the executioners and such, little pieces of the sets, wardrobe, etc. amazing. He said originally the director he was talking to about the video concept was thinking something much simpler and stripped down, and he (Suga) was like, naahhhhhh we gonna do something more. LOL. Suga has said the King is the "old AugstD' - if you watch his two videos from his first mix tape, he was blonde in them like the king in this one. There are a couple of 'behind' style videos that show the filming, and also have him sitting and talking about this project, that can give more direct context. There is also the one where he is learning the sword dance. Love your reactions. Thank you!! Edit: the video of them in black and white outfits you paused on was from NO MORE DREAM - their first MV.
Roscoe, I was definitely NOT rolling my eyes at the end. I've felt exactly what you described. It was very disorienting for me when people started vehemently disagreeing with my opinions on something within the BTS community. Since ARMY is so unified in ways I've never experienced before, I subconsciously expected everyone to be respectful, understanding, and open to differences of opinion. Many ARMY *are* open minded and non-judgmental, we try to grow and expand our opinions and our inner selves. I know BTS does this, and it attracts like minded people. But not everyone. Some ARMY are sadly very close minded, or they grew up in a culture that lends itself to judging others who aren't exactly doing things the way they think they should be done. When I ran up against these people, it was painful for me. I had to really sit and think about it, and realize that despite us all having this deep and shared loved for BTS, that doesn't mean we'll all agree on everything. I love that you want to share your own theories with us before you listen to someone else's theories. I don't personally think it was disrespectful that you stopped the original explanation video. Instead, I think you were respecting *yourself*. The entire point of this journey is for you to share your intital thoughts with us, for us to see what you feel in a genuine and unbiased way. You're being true to this and yourself, and I'm so happy to see it. It saddens me to know some people responded to your first time theories with "You're wrong!" Music is meant to reach each of us according to our individual lives and experiences. Who's to say your initial theories aren't part of what BTS incorporates into their music too? These 7 men are geniuses. They have to know there will be multiple interpretations of their words and MV visuals. Even if they didn't intend it, I bet it tickles them to know they inspire so many different viewpoints with their art. It must be very gratifying to BTS to know this. Honestly, I think people automatically commenting that you're wrong are trying to push you into their own narrow view of the world. This was the conclusion I came to for myself as well. They likely feel uncomfortable with thinking outside their own limited worldview. Instead of spending energy to fix it, they'll spend energy trying to force others to do and think the same way so it doesn't trigger them to feel uncomfortable. It's obvious you have a very deep strength of character, so I think you'll overcome the pressure to limit your viewpoints. I want to offer encouragement from someone else who has struggled with this same issue (though not on the same scale). I hope you continue to stay true to yourself Roscoe. That's why I love your channel so much. You are genuine, honest, and you're doing things the way you want to do them. TLDR: As Joonie said (and you mentioned), "Do You".
@@aworthingable I appreciate you saying so. Thank you!! Roscoe's talk about this at the end really struck a chord with me, I'm so glad we have this place where we can be honest and share so much with each other 💜
I totally agree with what you said. Whenever I come across those army, I try to remind myself that BTS has enough fans to populate a medium sized country, so naturally not all of the fans are going to be awesome, open minded people who respect other people's opinions. What's great about Army is that MOST of the ones I come across are awesome and open minded, and I appreciate that :)
Hey Roscoe buddy! Thanks for posting 🙏🏻 I will give you my 5 cents worth since we no longer use pennies in Canada. This is YOUR journey! We have said it over and over. You watch and enjoy BTS the way YOU want to, not to the demands of people who think they know best. You will never please everyone so stop trying! You nearly broke my heart on the live chat when you said you were stressing doing the vocal line. STOP IT! 🛑 The couch crew is here to watch you ENJOY bts and to experience a first time again with you. I have often wondered what would be my reaction to this or that bts video if I had seen it later rather than sooner and now I get to see you react. Is it the same as my reaction? No. We are different people. I enjoy listening to your theories because I am more of a surface enjoyment person rather than a deep diver but I like the theories deep divers can come up with. Lol and now IM going off on a tangent 😀 Point is, don’t listen to the few who think you’re doing it wrong. There is no wrong except for that. Please PLEASE ENJOY your bts journey. That’s why couch crew loves you! And that’s my 5 cents worth. Oh and btw that clip that caught your eye was No More Dream from 2013. It was their first video. Shine dream smile my friend! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Bookish Theories is very good, even her pronunciation is mostly on point, her references are also very good; however, DKDKTV (K-pop entertainment news/talk show) are Koreans (Danny and David Kim - not related/college friends/business partners) who were born, raised and live in Korea (lived in Canada and US in their childhood) so they know Korean culture and references that no amount of research can tell you. At the end of the day, all of them are just theories with factual historical references.
I personally prefer DKDKTV over Bookish Theories because they're Korean and actually understand the culture and history firsthand, but both overlap in some things. They are indeed based on things Yoongi said himself, which you can see in the behind-the-scenes. As for people coming for your throat whenever you talk about your interpretation of the videos...unfortunately, not everyone has the emotional intelligence to understand where you are in your journey, or how to communicate in a constructive way. Not to mention that art speaks to people in different ways, despite the original meaning the artist wanted to express. So have fun decoding and relating to their music and MVs however you want. You can learn about their intention later, but even then that won't change the fact that their work spoke to you in its own, individual way, and that's also important. Edit: I'm not sure why people are coming under my comment about MY OPINION to explain why I'm wrong... I mean, I didn't say one thing was better than the other. I think I was very clear and diplomatic in how I expressed myself. If y'all have a different opinion, you can go write your own comment so that Roscoe can see and consider it; there's no point writing it here.
Me too. I like watching multiple theory videos but if I ever have to pick just one, it's DKDKTV. To me it's long enough to cover everything but to the point so that it doesn't drag on forever. And I also like that they tend to focus more on the actual lyrics and video vs getting way into the BU because that is it's own rabbit hole. Lol.
I was a history major for 7 years so I always try to find primary sources. I don't know Bookish Theories backstory, but I'm familiar with DKDKTV & they do their research as well as having that background that comes with growing up in the culture & learning their own history in school. I feel like this song & BTS' "Idol" especially, need that cultural context to fully understand. The rapline's "Ddaeng" as well because what makes it brilliant is the language itself. "UGH" is one that is enhanced with the explanation but the core of the song is universal. I think people chose to misinterpret your stopping the explanation video as disrespectful because it's true, like you rightly said, if you don't know the history you'll never figure this stuff out. So how dare you try (🙄) The only people who have a chance of figuring out the Korean context of BTS m/vs are people who know Korean language/culture/history intimately so that's mostly K-ARMY. The rest of us...we learn or we watch explanation videos. That's why BTS got awarded the Order of Cultural Merit... because they've got all of us I-ARMY trying to learn all things Korean 💜 All this to say, as always, its your journey & if they don't like it they can move along. Obviously they need to listen to UGH again 😅
ALL EXPLAINED VIDEOS by anyone on youtube are going to be simply theories. Only the artists themselves know the real meanings of their artistry. Bookish Theories does amazing research through clues and hints from artists words and info given. Hope this helps
In regards to your final comments, if someone left the channel because of your personal growth then I would reply (respectfully), see ya! As your man Namjoon says "do you." I firmly believe there's no wrong way to do BTS. We all stumbled through our own chaos when discovering them. You're making sense to me!
I feel like so many people have convinced themselves that the Cancel Culture mindset is a right or that its their entitlement to enforce their thoughts and convictions on others. Makes my heart sad :( Whatever happened to the Golden Rule of Treat others the way you want them to treat you? Glad that you have the strength of mind to withstand those commenters. In terms of the explanation videos, I tend to watch most of the theories because although they may have different takes there are still valuable points to be found in different perspectives. I know DKDKTV came out sooner after Daechwita was released than Bookish theories so she did have more source material like interviews to pull from. Even after her video Yoongi has commented further on the king and his interpretation and even whether or not he is actually dead?! I find DKDKTV particularly useful for Korean Cultural understanding so definitely dont right them off. As always, good visit to the couch and look forward to the next one 💜
I agree with the ‘rant’. It doesn’t matter what explanation you watch. Even if they do a ton of research (they do a fantastic job! BUT) it’s still a theory from one person’s point of view. I wish people would stop going around telling the ones on their own BTS exploration that they’re wrong about everything. I get that they just want them to know more details, but It steals their joy and makes them not want to do it or just makes them tense every time they watch something.. please be considerate and let’s just enjoy 💜💜💜
When it comes to interpretation of the music itself, Yoongi usually says he wants listeners to interpret it for themselves. That said, Yoongi has shared some behind the scenes stories about the making of the music video in an interview and in a vLive video he shared right after his D2 album dropped. Both are still available if you happen to have the time in the future.
Yess! Also it has yoongi's commentary interview and dkdk tv's video. As a korean, It's hard to explain everything what i felt because I just can understand immediately, However, I think that if you watch these three videos, you will be able to understand almost. Thx!
No matter the theory is accurately interpreting AGUST D's original meaning is not that important. BTS's aim as to arise your interests in Korean's culture, has accomplished. So many international ARMYs study Korean, learn Korean culture, history, food, music, art, travelling, even want to start a reading habbit (there is a Namjoon's booklist). BTS get the highest cultural award of Korea which has a very solid ground and they deserve to receive such honor.
I think it is SUPER IMPORTANT to form your own theories and reactions first. I do not like to speak for a collective, But I sincerely hope that the majority of people wanting you to react to these other channels are NOT wanting you to change you opinion in any way, they are hopefully just want you to gain any historical and cultural context you may not know/or miss during your reaction. For example- IDOL mv. You can absolutely 100% can form your own opinion of the song first, look at the mv an probably get a good read at a meaning. But there is no way one could get all the cultural references without dkdktvs (or another simmilar) vid. I hope that helps clarify why people are asking. But you DO NOT have to react to these vids! If you just want to watch a behind the scenes of what BTS themselves puts out, there is plenty of that. Do what feels right to you. 💜
Don't worry Roscoe. My interpretations were all clearly wrong at first. However the process was more important. Sense of wonder is what really matters. At the same time, BTS rarely explains their videos and have often said that they want their audience to have their own interpretations. So most of these "theory videos" are simply that. Just theories.
Yes, that what makes BTS so amazing especially to westerners..., it's the process, the investigation, the wonder, and it's crack to curious folks like you and me. I love art and BTS content is ever flowing.
They are all just theories, Bookish Theories does do research into the cultural context and references that others of us don't have the ability for - I love that, and respect her a lot. Yoongi himself has never gone into a load of detail about the MV - which is in fact a collaboration between the artist and the director in any case, and it's not unusual for BTS to watch one of their MVs and express astonishment at the creativity of the director.. They really do have enormous respect for those they work with, and view the work they present as inherently comprising of all the elements - not just music and words, but costume, make-up and styling, the set, choreo etc etc. As to whether she had criticism about her poor Korean pronunciation, I doubt it - though it's possible. It's also likely that she just knows that she did not do so well - some of the vowels are unfamiliar for western mouths. BTS are never going to demand that we HAVE to learn about their culture - the performances and MVs do actually work on different levels - and deliberately so. Those of us who enjoy the depth, dive in and do research - those of us who just want a bop, can do just that! It's OK. I think it's sad when people react so strongly because of their passion, which I do understand. But they can indeed make people feel attacked and become inhibited. I think that BTS don't want that either - there is room for all of us.
Part of what you will learn with BTS is there is almost never one 'right answer'. They purposely build in depth/ambiguity and there will always be multiple interpretations that are valid. I didn't believe it at first, myself, but BTS themselves have said on several occasions that they explicitly do this as part of their creative process.
@@ThisRoscoe Haha. Very true. Some people think songs/MV are about one thing or idea… I think it is important for people who listen to music and ARMY to realize their is no one at to interpret art/music, especially with BTS…
@@ThisRoscoe above all the other opinions expressed out in the internet, theirs is the ultimate one and they put their art out into the world and we each resonate differently with it, it's all valid! Art takes on a life of its own and people either like and appreciate it or they don't and it's very subjective. The many layers of BTS or any of the members's solo music can be enjoyed on different levels through each person's own lens and worldview, so for those of us unifamiliar with Korean culture and language in general, these types of explanation videos are helpful. I do suggest you don't take gatekeeping comments that TELL YOU how to interpret everything exactly as gospel too seriously, though. This has to be fun! 💜
I hear you, Roscoe! Anytime I get info that's not from the "horses' mouth," I want to know how close the source was to the horse. I think it's important to do as you did and analyze it for yourself first. We all see art differently because of the different circumstances, knowledge, and experiences we bring as viewers. I believe watching explained videos, as many "sound" theories that are available, add to my knowledge base. I can then go back and watch from a new perspective, probably leaving with some combination. I don't think there has to be "right" explanation. True art is meant to inspire. If we all write about the same incident, they would all look different. That doesn't necessarily mean any account is completely accurate or wrong but is informed by the perception and perspective of the storyteller. I said this rant to essentially say, "Do you, Roscoe." 💜
The video you saw is No More Dreams, from BTS debut time. It is very interesting how BTS and Augus D in this case make references to their rich ancestral culture. They criticize them for everything, and one of the criticisms they make of them is that of wanting to leave their culture aside. I didn't understand anything either the first time I saw this video hahaha, but I loved it!!I think that watching these explanatory videos opens a little door for us to a different culture and that is very interesting, as you said we cannot live only from what we perceive in a limited way. But we are owners to elaborate our own theories, and then let go and accept other points of view. I always like your reflections. Thanks
I believe that was No More Dream, the video shot you wanted to know about. It’s a great one! Not a bad way to start the day-a video with Mr. Roscoe. Thank you! 💜 Have a great Monday to you and the rest of the Couch Crew 💜
It was No More Dream! Im not sure which version though, I think it was the dance version? The perspective on that one was a little more fish eye lens lol 💜
I saw a video of you on TikTok and I immediately went to RUclips to watch your videos 😂 I finished the entire playlist in like a day 🤦🏻♀️ you just remind me so much of when I became ARMY and I love it so much! Anyway I really think you would enjoy watching Ddaeng by the rap line the live version and especially the version where Tae and JK rap too!!
I know that there are some issues ARMY has with DKDTV before for their actions around the Tannies, but they do provide a context as Koreans. Like many things in life I find it best to try to learn for a variety of sources and figure out their intentions and do we trust their 'theories' and research. Your ending is very spot on that sometimes people can get too hung up on their own bubble and try to pull others into that bubble. We need to respect others learning first and help them along the journey and not try and grab their hand and drag them down only one path.
That's a very good conversation you tried to start about how much people are so strict and not allowing others to learn or give leeway for growth. I appreciate you opening that topic. In relation to that, those who gpt angry that you clicked off the dkdktv explanation should have been more understanding. You're a baby Army and most of older Army love to teach and guide, but there should still be respect and common courtesy.
Hahaha those of us who became Armys after migrating from K dramas and specifically sageuks (historical korean drama) had seen Masquerade about Gwangho and also quite a few dramas about prince sado and the rice chest. DKDKTV explanation is also interesting.
1) The only reason why we trust you is because you wear a Marvin the Martian hoody. 2) Thank you for reminding us all to give each other grace to learn, grow, and express ourselves. 3) I can't wait to see you react to their MV No More Dream. It's going to be epic.
Ok, now that I've watched: yes, Yoongi talks a lot about his music and music in general in the interviews. He loves music (I hope one day you will listen to First Love, it's a masterpiece) and he loves giving input for his videos. As a matter of fact, the producer of the Daechwita video told that he would want a simple video for this song, but Yoongi went to the meeting with basically the entire plot of the video written down and they followed his instructions XD Yoongi has a deep knowledge of Korean culture and History, and IT'S POSSIBLE that he thought out the details that this video explains, but as someone already told you: there's more explanation to a BTS video than we can ever guess. These video are usefull to us (europeans and americans) though. There are details of Korean culture that we don't know and we can never guess, so... take these videos as they are: as a tool to know our guys culture better, and understand them a little more. Much love!
By chance could you erase the part in your comment explaining First Love? He doesn’t want any spoilers, etc. (no hate) First Love is one of my favorites as well. Beautiful song. Edit; He got to this comment before me. Lol. Darn
@@ThisRoscoe I'm really sorry for the spoiler T_T Thinking in english is tricky for me sometimes, and I didn't thought it can be read as a spoiler sorry sorry sorry T_T
Laughing so hard at seeing your face when you saw the “No More Dream” MV clip. I’m sure you now know that was their very first MV. You’re going to LOVE early BTS. You still don’t know what you’re really in for. The rabbit hole literally goes through the Earth and out the other side. I’m settled in on the couch and I’m not going anywhere!
Roscoe, if anyone tells you that you are being disrespectful, they clearly don’t see you. Anyone with eyes and ears can see what a thoughtful, kind, curious, considerate, joyful human you are. I personally am enjoying your BTS discovery journey, love being a member of the comfy couch, and wouldn’t have you change a single damn thing. I definitely would NEVER presume that I, or anyone for that matter, has the right to demand that you do.
Roscoe! Bookish Theories does a lot of research on the Korean/Asian references used in the songs she theorizes about. She also gathers any information she can from interviews/Vlives/Weverse posts on the songs/MVs and weaves the research with the quotes to get her Bookish Theories. She is awesome and has a really great sense of humor. That being said, she's Italian and has stated her difficulties with speaking Korean. So it is probably her humor AND caution about upsetting K-ARMY by mispronouncing words that resulted in the statement. The video clip is NO MORE DREAM.☺ Remember to NOT let the loudest few with negative vibes cause you to over think how you travel your journey. 99% of us try to give constructive advice/ criticism if we say anything at all about how you choose to do your journey. KEEP ENJOYING YOURSELF! Journey on... 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
i always remind myself to educate before judging over text. often we put our own defensive preconceived notion into the black and white letters of someone else and imagine that it was said out of malice. that certain someone might me ignorant, but not hateful per se, and when that's the case aggressive attitude will never help to make them see the other point of view that you prefer and want to share. being polite is (almost) always the first option we need to choose, being patient is the second
Whenever I have watched a BTS MV that needed an explanation, I have watched every explanation video for it I could find. With one exception, the Bookish Theories explanations are the most complete, reflective of both Korean history and culture and present-day social trends, as well as psychology. I love the Bookish Theories voice, because it is both gentle and informative, and slightly mocking, as if mocking our skepticism of what she / he has to say. That kind of lyrical playfulness is a style of voice used by all three rappers in BTS. Every Bookish Theories video I have watched has shown a full, detailed awareness of the points of view of BTS members - based on vlogs, interviews, tweets, and such - as well as their management, where appropriate. The person behind the channel does a major great job of research. The explanations from this channel are often the last to appear, because there's so much research behind them. Wanna say one more thing. I grit my teeth when Americans go all skeptical about other cultures' presentations of their own cultures' creative work. It makes the other-culture people into "others." Instead of "we." Americans are the myopic ones. Recognizing that should be part of conscious awareness for any American who is discussing another culture's creative work. Many of your subscribers are watching *your* evolution, opening up to BTS and how they represent youth and Korean culture. Many of us have already questioned (and often continue to question) aspects of our own focus on BTS. We have done, and continue to do, our best to educate ourselves in the contexts of BTS's lives and creative output. Please don't assume that we are in preschool on these issues, as you seem to be doing towards the end of your video.
Glad you had a look at one of the explanation videos. To be honest I do prefer in general the dkdktv ones. But I also like to listen the songs and watch the videos first without seeing lyrics, etc just to get the feel of the song and make my own theories... Which in most cases are hilariously wrong (there's a song called "Dimple" that I thought on first listen it was a sad love story - I know you haven't heard it yet but believe me is nothing BUT 😂) About this particular song, there's also an interview with Suga himself which is ultimately canon. At the end of the day we are here to have fun and enjoy (even seasoned ARMY never guessed the real story behind Tear) I particularly enjoy cultural/historical aspects but that's just my thing (I have a degree in History & always been interested in other cultures) Again, thanks for your video, really enjoyed it!
As a teacher, you did the right thing for yourself. I wanted to say this back then too. We don’t learn as well when people spoon feed us information, the productive struggle and the personal “AhHA!” Moments are super important for growth. I think you handled it all very well. 💜
You are certainly not way off AT ALL. The guys always encourage us to keep growing, to keep learning, and to recognize that people make mistakes. But despite that, those mistakes make us who we are. They and all of the scars of the past "make up your constellation". The guys tell us that they're always trying to better themselves, which in turn, encourages us to better ourselves too. The fact that you can acknowledge the same thing is what makes you so amazing, Roscoe. It's the reason I love the guys so much, and it's one of the reasons I continue to follow you on your journey 💜
Roscoe I love what you said about humans having to evolve in order to get out and explore more. So true, you don’t have to stick with what you already know or what you’re comfortable with. It’s the process of learning about yourself.
I think we can treat the historic and cultural references she mentions as facts (at least the obvious ones). I'm guessing how we *interpret* those in the context of the video and what AgustD wanted to say, is a theory (although I'm sure he probably made some comments on the song/MV himself)
Good way to put it. A lot of these videos most ARMY use to understand the Korean context or wordplay then we interpret it however we want. Their are a few things that BTS tells us during interviews and/or vlives that also add context or give some answers…
@@sariel8406 Nah, a lot of this is stuff is basic Korean history. I lived in Korea and knew most of this stuff the very first time I saw the mv. It's not outlandish for a non-employee to have made it.
As ARMY and otherwise, I tend to just ingest a whole buncha information about the context of the art and the artist. Then I just appreciate it for what itis and what it could mean for the artist as well as for so many people. As for other ARMYs, always remember that this is a multicultural & multilingual community. It's true that a lot of people are not emotionally mature enough to support new ARMYs' discovery process BUT --- I have found that many don't mean to sound rude yet they do, because they just don't have a grasp of English and/or our cultural nuances to communicate effectively. P.S. DKDKTV stands for Danny Kim and David Kim TV (in no particular order). It's 2 friends who are the central personalities on the channel. They aren't as detailed as Bookish Theories, but their Explained by A Korean videos are definitely worth watching.
The beauty of art and creativity is that it can speak differently to each person that views it. It speaks to you through your experiences and where you are in life at that point. It can even mean different things to the same person if they see it at different times in their life. You can not judge and control how another person views art, and the meaning it holds for them, even if it is different from what the artist was trying to conveying at that time for themselves. I don't think any true artist would be upset that their art spoke to someone, in whatever way it does. Roscoe, please don't listen to those that try to gatekeep your BTS experience. It is YOUR experience. I love hearing your theories and learning about other's points of view. How boring would the world be if everybody did everything the same way, and thought the same way. Please keep being you, it is what makes your channel so special!
Your comments near the end about echo chambers and growth are *so* important. And honestly, it's these types of discussions that are my fav part of hanging out with you on the couch. Your open mind, introspection, balanced views, curiosity, willingness to be vulnerable and talk about real life, the real world, and real emotions, these are all the things that make you special as a person, and *that* is your greatest gift to us on this channel. And while this won't be well received by some...the truth is that for all the love and joy and kindness that ARMY spreads, there is also a lot of hypocrisy, criticism, and controlling behavior too, and I don't just mean by the blatant bad apples. A lot of it comes from a messy mix of k-pop culture, anti-k-pop culture, justified protectiveness from past BTS and ARMY hardships, and also problematic defensiveness, overreaction, and a sense of superiority that we've convinced ourselves is justified. Even true, loving ARMY can act in ways that wouldn't always make BTS proud. All that to say, please keep being you and sharing your good heart and wisdom and life lessons, because we all deserve to keep growing.
J-ARMY for 7 years and 65 years old lady is here. Thank you for interesting and love for my country Japan. Just my opinion I'm not hate or love her video. Long long time ago I watched her video just one time but never into her channel. Sorry my English. ありがとう。
Roscoe, the older video you were asking about was "No more dream". I think you'll really enjoy watching that, too; you might want to put it on your list. If I remember correctly, it was their debut video. In any case, it was one of their very earliest videos; they were literally just babies back then. 😍
Just a quicky Roscoe as most people have covered all your points already. If you venture into No More Dream MV the English subs one was posted on Channel 1TheK and not on the "official" channel. Bighit used to post to 1TheK before they had the resources to sub them themselves, so they are official ones too :)
Roscoe, I agree with you that some netizens these days are intolerant of any mistakes other people make. It's like, one mistake, and you're cancelled. I believe we should be more forgiving than that. One comment doesn't represent a person's whole life. One mistake shouldn't define a person. Instead of judging and canceling and punishing each other, we should try to understand each other and learn from one another. Roscoe, you nice keep going.
I think if you haven't already I'd watch DKDKTV channel explanation vid of Daechwita as well. I think it's best to watch different videos to get different aspects but also similarities. I think one video will never have all the answer and best to watch different ones to get more context I guess. :)
Great to react to both as they explain slightly different things. DKDKTV is from the Korean perspective so wouldn't ignore. Agree with you, everyone's viewpoint is worth considering if we want to grow, and we all see things differently which makes the experience more valuable and whole/complete.
3:16 Yes they are Usually if servant are thrown and rolled in a carpet It means they are beaten senseless and with rythme Kdrama But in this mv, the balcony is filled by bags that can only fit bloody severed head
For me I think the DKDKTV explination video was better although this one have more details Anyways that's just my opinion l always prefer DKDKTV videos.
The Video you asked about is Called NO MORE DREAMS and was their 1st video. Roscoe: I sat here and laughed becuz you clearly haven't figured out who & what ARMY are yet. My opinion of ARMY is that there is a segment of ARMY, that are the most intelligent, best detectives/researchers on the Planet. On the day a BTS Video drops, ARMY is going frame by frame on the new music video. People are going over the lyrics. After they've watched the video, you will see theories starting to drop on both RUclips & Twitter. Research is being done and explanations are being vetted for accuracy. It's hard work. It's 24 hours straight. A lot of fun to be a part of this day. It's draining. You will hear comments such as make sure you hydrate. Eat correctly. Get sleep leading up to the video drop. On video drop day, we are juggling the world. From streaming on RUclips, Spotify, all streaming platforms, to # tagging on twitter, to our youtubers/TikTok's making videos to get the word out about BTS' new music. Like I said, it's hard work but it's feel good work. Remember, you can set your clock to it but someone is always gonna pee on your cornflakes, no matter how many times we direct them to the restroom. Roscoe, we only ask you to have fun with this journey.
Hey Roscoe! I love your Marvin hoodie. I grew up in Saskatchewan and we call hoodies “bunny hugs” so I love that you call yours a hug! You went back to your beginning, now it seems time to go to BTS beginning!! No more dream is a great song and the MV is fun!
20:00 - OMG, I totally agree with you. I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine. He was being super hard on himself bc he messed up at work and was reprimanded harshly. I told him that it's too bad that companies don't promote an environment where their employees can make mistakes without the imminent fear that their pay will be docked or they will be fired. It's just not an environment conducive to learning and bettering oneself, you know? 😰 Oh Roscoe! I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm glad you are sticking to "the do you" mentality though because, ultimately, I feel like this is your journey as much as it is a journey we are all taking with you. *hugs* I hope you continue to see that whatever path you end up taking, whether it is "right or wrong", it'll be your experience of BTS and to me, there is no right or wrong way. As long as you keep being respectful and open-minded, I truly believe you will be just fine. 💜
I mean, technically everything is a theory unless the members themselves makes a statement. And art is subjective as it is. Yoongi has talked about it here and there, which they did put into account in the video. And all the cultural stuff and references they pointed out are very accurate as far as I know. Bookish Theory goes for facts, not wild speculations. Most of the information they give you can specifically be found in the MV itself and it's usually stuff that Koreans would actually pick up that us westerners aren't fully educated on. (For cultural references; they do also give you literary references ect. It's all there for us to pick up, some people just have more of an eye for it than otheres.) As for the last part- I'm going to be completely honest, since sincerity is the rule of thumb for the cozy couch. When you turned off the explanation video the first time, I winced a bit. I mean, the DKDKtv one isn't even my preferred explanation for the mv because unlike Bookish Theory, it's mostly based in speculation and not on what Yoongi has said. But it does still point out cultural references. Of course, I can see you're genuine and still learning your way around as a baby Army. I had faith that if people politely explained you should watch it in the comments, that you would. I'm so sorry if you felt like you had to worry over how other people would handle it. I do think that sometimes Army gets so used to people being fake and willfully ignorant that defensiveness is a knee-jerk reaction. And you're well aware of how fake some of these people can be on youtube. However, you're not one of them and even if you made a tiny mistake, that doesn't take away from anything you're doing or all the effort you're putting in. I don't think any rational Army would have unfollowed over something so small when you have plenty of other videos showing how authentic you are. But even if they did- just know that you don't need them. The little community you're creating here is full of positive and loving vibes. So if people unfollow for something silly, just think of it as weeding your garden on the way to cultivating your oasis. Sorry that was so long- always love your reactions and little couch talks. Thank you
"As for the last part- I'm going to be completely honest, since sincerity is the rule of thumb for the cozy couch. When you turned off the explanation video the first time, I winced a bit." I absolutely understand, 100%. And I had every intention of finishing that video -after- I got a chance to theorize myself, but I just ran out of time. A bit of a perfect storm. I do appreciate your honesty. "So if people unfollow for something silly, just think of it as weeding your garden on the way to cultivating your oasis." I love this. So well put. Thanks for your voice here, Jared!
In all explanation videos lyrics interpretation is up to the author of the video, their "theory" so to speak, unless it was explicitly stated by the members. Dkdktv have very good videos for Idol (+add the video by xCeleste to it for more fandom references and it's perfect), UGH!, Ddaeng, Baepsae. However, recently they've been kinda salty towards bangtan and Daechwita fell into that period, so for Daechwita I strongly prefer Bookish theories video - it has all the historical references needed and some more 😁 the detail about the mask pendant is my absolute favorite 😎
I 100% agree with what you said about if we do not allow for mistakes from others and ourselves we will never grow. Thank you for being willing to share your journey with all of us.
26:08 NOOO YOU ARE 100% RIGHT. Like the saying "great minds think alike.." many forget or don't know that the whole phrase is "great minds think alike, though fools seldom differ." We should always be evolving.
I love listening to your philosophical ramblings! One of my favorite sayings is ‘all I know is I know nothing’. I use that to remind myself that even if I think I truly know something that there is always room to learn more and allow my perspective and understanding to change. I agree with you that we do sometimes forget to allow others to make mistakes and learn in their own way. We don’t all think in the same ways so why would we learn in the same ways either. Those differences are part of what makes you sharing your BTS journey with us so enjoyable. You sharing your thoughts with us allows me to rediscover something I love from a whole new perspective and I love that! Do you Roscoe, Borahae!! 💜💙💜
tl;dr you nice, keep going i dont comment too often because i am often long winded but bare with me, the more you learn on this journey the easier it is to forget that at one point you knew nothing. i feel like i know SO MUCH but a couple years ago i didn't even know their names. and i obviously don't know everything. some armys [i tend to think it's younger armys but adult armys can be this way too] don't police themselves enough on what information is NEED to know and what information is NICE to know, you know? some theories are just theories and there is no way to confirm or deny them because art is always up for interpretation. sometimes the answer to a question lies in a small clip from a vlive or interview that armys only know if they've literally watched everything bts has ever done, and so there are armys out there trying to correct misinformation but at some point it gets out of hand. Your bts journey is YOURS and i do believe everyone experiences it differently. Roscoe, watching your journey is such a pleasure because it's so interesting to watch someone who is adopted by army so quickly and also embraces army with open arms the way you do because we totally understand this is all very overwhelming with the loud voices coming from every direction. i always enjoy the "explained" videos because i can learn about the actual Korean references that i have no way of deciphering myself, but also most of the time those references are just extra sprinkles of genius on top of a very straight forward story that anyone from any culture would understand. like you can listen to Ddaeng and feel the sass and love the song on its own, then read the lyrics and already understand generally where they are coming from, and thennnn learn the specific references they are making and blow your mind even further. much love Roscoe.
Hi there Roscoe. I enjoyed the video as well as your rant and personal views on it all. I love hearing your point of view. This is my first "DAECHWITA" Explained video. Like I said, I'm fairly new. I've seen most of their songs/live performances but haven't dove into the detailed explanations of their songs until now with you. So, I am enjoying your journey and learning with you. I love that your heart wants to make everyone happy; that says so much about you. I have that same mentality, and it's been hard for me to just do me. But I'm learning little by little and improving on that aspect. Thank you for allowing me to join you on the couch with all these beautiful people, beautiful, and take this journey with you, which willaso be my journey. Nothing better than hanging out at the couch with my bro and friends enjoying BTS. 💜
I have always enjoyed watching these videos to understand Korean references and wordplay etc. It is also cool to see other people’s theories or perspectives…. Welcome to the journey!!💜💜
Thanks Roscoe! I never saw that explanation of Daechwita. It's really good! The DKDKTV explanation is also very good. I've watched that explanation video.
Keep rambling. It distracts me when I'm having a bad day. This video popped up at the exactly right time for me. I needed a break from my own not so great stream of consciousness. Further proof to me that you and BTS are meant to be because they also have a habit of showing up when I need them most. I think that video they showed a clip of might have been "no more dream" or one of their earlier works. I honestly haven't seen it yet either. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜+💜
Fun fact: In No More Dream Suga sings "I want a big house, big cars and big rings". He references or comments on the frase in several of their songs over the years. It's just one of those fascinating little details that make them so unique. 💜
I love that she aproaches their videos from a therapists perspective. She is facinating. You should go back to the beginning of her videos and work your way forward.
Historically accurate yes! Opinion yes! These seven human beings were fated to be together to express their own personal empathetic feelings and views about themselves and the world. Army who is about 100 million plus strong have that many feelings and opinions about the poetic words that each of these members share with them. What you do as a human being is take this new journey for yourself and allow army to enjoy it with you. To this I say bravo! I have been army for about one and a half years. These human beings are the most humble I have ever witnessed in a self-indulgent environment of Fame. They have allowed us roughly 14 hours a day for the last 10 and 1/2 almost 11 years now to be a part of every moment of their lives. The discography is enormous. To follow their journey of joys sorrows humor highs lows their love for each other their support for each other and to witness how they work through conflict and remain closer than before is incredible. There is so much for you to dive into take it one at a time. Enjoy it one at a time. Understand that especially for the rappers Yoongi and RM that they write in such a way that they trash the haters without being disrespectful. This is why true army love them so much. Army ranges in age from young teenagers to grandparents in their 80s and 90s. So we fall in the mid-range of this wide spectrum of why people love them. It's because they care they empathize and they do not stand down from the truth of their words. They stand by what they feel. And bang let them do that from the very beginning starting with no more dreams. Go back to the beginning and follow them through you will love the journey. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Roscoe, do you and enjoy your journey. I personally watch DkDkTV’s, XCeleste and Asian Theories the most with explanations, but remember it is also their theories. They do research based on Korean Culture and history and past interviews. But your theories as a video creator is correct as well. We love your journey and it reminds me a lot about my own. At the end it is how you interpret things and that’s how we grow together. The way you interpret the music and videos is also based on your experience and where you are in your life. Don’t try to make any happy but yourself and those that agree with you will follow and grow with you. The boys love to see that and trust that they will check your videos out. They always follow and the comfy couch is so loving and welcoming that they may comment one day. Much love and light to you on your journey, Army Mom out! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
16:58 I just wanted to add. The fire power he is using is rumored to be a colt 1860 army If you follow the BTS/A.R.M.Y venture and set of mind I would say the plot thickens There’s a video with Suga’s practise of this Korean saber A fake was used but I think he had it made. This was my personal introduction to August D And finally the car is used likely model is used in his early MV It is color branded In Psy’s last song 😁
I don't know who Marvin the Martian is exactly, but that jacket/hug is adorable. I love it. I also appreciate not living in a bubble or echo chamber. I feel like conversing with people who have different backgrounds, experiences, and opinions is so important. And yes, it's a "theory", but a well-researched and evidenced theory. I'm glad I watched. I learned something new, too. :) That doesn't mean you can't still derive other meanings or explanations from it. Art is subjective and open to interpretation.
I remember when you stopped the explanation video in that other video. I was really happy that you had. I prefer people come up with their own theories. In my opinion there's no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to interpreting art - and it really annoys me when people treat popular youtube channel theories as fact. THAT BEING SAID, the explanation/theory videos from reputable sources such as DKDKTV and Bookish Theories, where you know they're well researched, are really good in learning the cultural references used in the lyrics/MV - but for me, the best way to watch a theory/explanation video is to watch it, learn the cultural references, and then come up with your own theory - maybe you agree with the theory/explanation you just watched, but maybe you don't, and that's okay too.
As for the word “theory”…. A theory can be 100% true and a theory at the same time. The author can never “prove” everything is correct, so it is a theory. That doesn’t mean it’s not correct, just that she has no way to prove it, unless the makers of the MV confirm it.
I completely agree with your commentary after the video. Living and staying in the same echo chamber oftentimes hinders growth and open-mindedness. Sometimes, it causes inflexibility because we've gotten so used to people reaffirming our opinions (confirmation bias). I'm happy that you have no qualms bringing this up, some people need to hear it. We can all be better people, always. 💜💜💜
Thought I'd add something after your comments about some of the rapid grief you received when stopping the explanation of Daechwita. BTS has a rap song titled 'UGH', I'll just say it's about what you have just discussed and leave it there. Don't ever worry about your theories, we all have them and very few are absolutely right, we didn't write the bloody lyrics .💜🇦🇺
I'm not sure I already praised you for this, but providing acutate Korean subs, not that auto-generated crap too many other channels do, is a G-dsend and though you're not speaking it, reading along is still very beneficial and has upped my vocab tremendously. Thanks for allowing that to happen especially on BTS-related topics which already have my attention. Looking forward to more 😀.
Bookish is of course theories, but the references to kings of Joseon era are all historically accurate. Also the references to other points/lyrics w/in BTS & Yoongi’s discography are on point. In fact some of them are so ‘inside baseball’ that you have to already be an Army to catch a lot of it. Is this 1 persons opinion constructed from multiple sources and subject ot debate? Sure. Is there solid grounding for her interpretations that may (or may not?) be over the heads of a casual observer or a very new Army? Also yes. Might she have missed some things or failed to account for things that you saw and she didn’t? Possible. Also there’s debate as to what the artist intended. However, I’m sort of against this idea that the meaning of art can only be ‘explained’ by the artist. Audience interpretation is just as important as what the artist intended, making all interpretations valid and open for debate. In fact, wasn’t that very debate what the artist intended? (For your Baby Army eyes, Bookish is considered very solid w/in the fandom.)
So well said, Jennifer!
Couldn’t agree more. Well said.
Totally agree with this.
Jennifer summed it up like a Boss! 😁💜💜
Very well explained! 👏🏽
The video is No More Dream, their very first MV which came out June 12 2013. And it's great. And looking at it now shows where they started and how far they've come.💜
AGREED! Starting at the beginning and moving forward is a great way to see the progression and growth of the band and it helps to prevent so much confusion.💜
Suga say "I wanna big house, big cars & big rings"
This is the one I keep telling him that he needs to watch!
And she is saying "his dream" at the same time she's showing this section of the No More Dream mv.
DKDTV (can't remember the name correctly) is explaining the songs(Lyrics) from a korean language perspective (idioms, wordplay, double meaning in words and kinda cultural political philosophical background of bts and the context in which the song was made and wrote) so it's good to see it from another perspective
DKDKTV is the best, they describe things in a way so even us uncultured people can easily understand. 😂 💜
@@debimicowood5977 yes very simple explanations and I love it
DKDKTV knows their audience is westerners. The guys explains it to us in a succinct way and understandable for us. I appreciate both videos of both theories but you have only so much time as you said.
DKDKTV is the best!
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Thanks for checking out more. I love that you are deep diving in to these. I also appreciate what the Bookish Theories videos provide on historical references and such. As for the 'theories' on what he meant by any of this, only he really knows, and he has said (as they all have) that they like the listener/viewer to interpret it for themselves. There are a couple of things in her video tho' that do contradict what little he has personally said about the king vs the low class version of his persona in this video. The very first "bodies" in the aerial shot were supposed to be "headless" but the ones you paused on were those bowing before the king. The detail they went through for the historical references with how the butchers were often the executioners and such, little pieces of the sets, wardrobe, etc. amazing. He said originally the director he was talking to about the video concept was thinking something much simpler and stripped down, and he (Suga) was like, naahhhhhh we gonna do something more. LOL. Suga has said the King is the "old AugstD' - if you watch his two videos from his first mix tape, he was blonde in them like the king in this one. There are a couple of 'behind' style videos that show the filming, and also have him sitting and talking about this project, that can give more direct context. There is also the one where he is learning the sword dance. Love your reactions. Thank you!!
Edit: the video of them in black and white outfits you paused on was from NO MORE DREAM - their first MV.
Roscoe, I was definitely NOT rolling my eyes at the end. I've felt exactly what you described.
It was very disorienting for me when people started vehemently disagreeing with my opinions on something within the BTS community. Since ARMY is so unified in ways I've never experienced before, I subconsciously expected everyone to be respectful, understanding, and open to differences of opinion. Many ARMY *are* open minded and non-judgmental, we try to grow and expand our opinions and our inner selves. I know BTS does this, and it attracts like minded people.
But not everyone. Some ARMY are sadly very close minded, or they grew up in a culture that lends itself to judging others who aren't exactly doing things the way they think they should be done. When I ran up against these people, it was painful for me. I had to really sit and think about it, and realize that despite us all having this deep and shared loved for BTS, that doesn't mean we'll all agree on everything.
I love that you want to share your own theories with us before you listen to someone else's theories. I don't personally think it was disrespectful that you stopped the original explanation video. Instead, I think you were respecting *yourself*. The entire point of this journey is for you to share your intital thoughts with us, for us to see what you feel in a genuine and unbiased way. You're being true to this and yourself, and I'm so happy to see it.
It saddens me to know some people responded to your first time theories with "You're wrong!" Music is meant to reach each of us according to our individual lives and experiences. Who's to say your initial theories aren't part of what BTS incorporates into their music too? These 7 men are geniuses. They have to know there will be multiple interpretations of their words and MV visuals. Even if they didn't intend it, I bet it tickles them to know they inspire so many different viewpoints with their art. It must be very gratifying to BTS to know this.
Honestly, I think people automatically commenting that you're wrong are trying to push you into their own narrow view of the world. This was the conclusion I came to for myself as well. They likely feel uncomfortable with thinking outside their own limited worldview. Instead of spending energy to fix it, they'll spend energy trying to force others to do and think the same way so it doesn't trigger them to feel uncomfortable. It's obvious you have a very deep strength of character, so I think you'll overcome the pressure to limit your viewpoints. I want to offer encouragement from someone else who has struggled with this same issue (though not on the same scale). I hope you continue to stay true to yourself Roscoe. That's why I love your channel so much. You are genuine, honest, and you're doing things the way you want to do them.
TLDR: As Joonie said (and you mentioned), "Do You".
Always appreciate your feedback, Staci. Good or bad, thank you. ❤️
@@ThisRoscoe And I always appreciate what you choose to share with us! 😊💜
Wow, Staci. This is so beautifully and thoughtfully written. Thank you!
@@aworthingable I appreciate you saying so. Thank you!! Roscoe's talk about this at the end really struck a chord with me, I'm so glad we have this place where we can be honest and share so much with each other 💜
I totally agree with what you said. Whenever I come across those army, I try to remind myself that BTS has enough fans to populate a medium sized country, so naturally not all of the fans are going to be awesome, open minded people who respect other people's opinions. What's great about Army is that MOST of the ones I come across are awesome and open minded, and I appreciate that :)
Hey Roscoe buddy! Thanks for posting 🙏🏻 I will give you my 5 cents worth since we no longer use pennies in Canada. This is YOUR journey! We have said it over and over. You watch and enjoy BTS the way YOU want to, not to the demands of people who think they know best. You will never please everyone so stop trying! You nearly broke my heart on the live chat when you said you were stressing doing the vocal line. STOP IT! 🛑
The couch crew is here to watch you ENJOY bts and to experience a first time again with you. I have often wondered what would be my reaction to this or that bts video if I had seen it later rather than sooner and now I get to see you react. Is it the same as my reaction? No. We are different people. I enjoy listening to your theories because I am more of a surface enjoyment person rather than a deep diver but I like the theories deep divers can come up with. Lol and now IM going off on a tangent 😀
Point is, don’t listen to the few who think you’re doing it wrong. There is no wrong except for that. Please PLEASE ENJOY your bts journey. That’s why couch crew loves you! And that’s my 5 cents worth. Oh and btw that clip that caught your eye was No More Dream from 2013. It was their first video. Shine dream smile my friend! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Bookish Theories is very good, even her pronunciation is mostly on point, her references are also very good; however, DKDKTV (K-pop entertainment news/talk show) are Koreans (Danny and David Kim - not related/college friends/business partners) who were born, raised and live in Korea (lived in Canada and US in their childhood) so they know Korean culture and references that no amount of research can tell you. At the end of the day, all of them are just theories with factual historical references.
I personally prefer DKDKTV over Bookish Theories because they're Korean and actually understand the culture and history firsthand, but both overlap in some things. They are indeed based on things Yoongi said himself, which you can see in the behind-the-scenes.
As for people coming for your throat whenever you talk about your interpretation of the videos...unfortunately, not everyone has the emotional intelligence to understand where you are in your journey, or how to communicate in a constructive way. Not to mention that art speaks to people in different ways, despite the original meaning the artist wanted to express. So have fun decoding and relating to their music and MVs however you want. You can learn about their intention later, but even then that won't change the fact that their work spoke to you in its own, individual way, and that's also important.
Edit: I'm not sure why people are coming under my comment about MY OPINION to explain why I'm wrong... I mean, I didn't say one thing was better than the other. I think I was very clear and diplomatic in how I expressed myself. If y'all have a different opinion, you can go write your own comment so that Roscoe can see and consider it; there's no point writing it here.
I second this. I prefer dkdktv too
Yes. Me too.
Me too. I like watching multiple theory videos but if I ever have to pick just one, it's DKDKTV. To me it's long enough to cover everything but to the point so that it doesn't drag on forever. And I also like that they tend to focus more on the actual lyrics and video vs getting way into the BU because that is it's own rabbit hole. Lol.
Yeah, I loved both their explanation of Idol and specially Ugh.
This. Allllll of this.
I was a history major for 7 years so I always try to find primary sources. I don't know Bookish Theories backstory, but I'm familiar with DKDKTV & they do their research as well as having that background that comes with growing up in the culture & learning their own history in school. I feel like this song & BTS' "Idol" especially, need that cultural context to fully understand. The rapline's "Ddaeng" as well because what makes it brilliant is the language itself. "UGH" is one that is enhanced with the explanation but the core of the song is universal.
I think people chose to misinterpret your stopping the explanation video as disrespectful because it's true, like you rightly said, if you don't know the history you'll never figure this stuff out. So how dare you try (🙄) The only people who have a chance of figuring out the Korean context of BTS m/vs are people who know Korean language/culture/history intimately so that's mostly K-ARMY. The rest of us...we learn or we watch explanation videos. That's why BTS got awarded the Order of Cultural Merit... because they've got all of us I-ARMY trying to learn all things Korean 💜
All this to say, as always, its your journey & if they don't like it they can move along. Obviously they need to listen to UGH again 😅
ALL EXPLAINED VIDEOS by anyone on youtube are going to be simply theories. Only the artists themselves know the real meanings of their artistry. Bookish Theories does amazing research through clues and hints from artists words and info given. Hope this helps
Yes! Ty Brian. Hello to Alicia 😀
In regards to your final comments, if someone left the channel because of your personal growth then I would reply (respectfully), see ya! As your man Namjoon says "do you." I firmly believe there's no wrong way to do BTS. We all stumbled through our own chaos when discovering them. You're making sense to me!
Couldn´t have said it any better!
@@ideagirl: Ditto! 😝
I feel like so many people have convinced themselves that the Cancel Culture mindset is a right or that its their entitlement to enforce their thoughts and convictions on others. Makes my heart sad :( Whatever happened to the Golden Rule of Treat others the way you want them to treat you? Glad that you have the strength of mind to withstand those commenters.
In terms of the explanation videos, I tend to watch most of the theories because although they may have different takes there are still valuable points to be found in different perspectives. I know DKDKTV came out sooner after Daechwita was released than Bookish theories so she did have more source material like interviews to pull from. Even after her video Yoongi has commented further on the king and his interpretation and even whether or not he is actually dead?! I find DKDKTV particularly useful for Korean Cultural understanding so definitely dont right them off.
As always, good visit to the couch and look forward to the next one 💜
I agree with the ‘rant’. It doesn’t matter what explanation you watch. Even if they do a ton of research (they do a fantastic job! BUT) it’s still a theory from one person’s point of view. I wish people would stop going around telling the ones on their own BTS exploration that they’re wrong about everything. I get that they just want them to know more details, but It steals their joy and makes them not want to do it or just makes them tense every time they watch something.. please be considerate and let’s just enjoy 💜💜💜
When it comes to interpretation of the music itself, Yoongi usually says he wants listeners to interpret it for themselves. That said, Yoongi has shared some behind the scenes stories about the making of the music video in an interview and in a vLive video he shared right after his D2 album dropped. Both are still available if you happen to have the time in the future.
Yess! Also it has yoongi's commentary interview and dkdk tv's video. As a korean, It's hard to explain everything what i felt because I just can understand immediately, However, I think that if you watch these three videos, you will be able to understand almost. Thx!
No matter the theory is accurately interpreting AGUST D's original meaning is not that important. BTS's aim as to arise your interests in Korean's culture, has accomplished. So many international ARMYs study Korean, learn Korean culture, history, food, music, art, travelling, even want to start a reading habbit (there is a Namjoon's booklist). BTS get the highest cultural award of Korea which has a very solid ground and they deserve to receive such honor.
I think it is SUPER IMPORTANT to form your own theories and reactions first.
I do not like to speak for a collective, But I sincerely hope that the majority of people wanting you to react to these other channels are NOT wanting you to change you opinion in any way, they are hopefully just want you to gain any historical and cultural context you may not know/or miss during your reaction.
For example- IDOL mv. You can absolutely 100% can form your own opinion of the song first, look at the mv an probably get a good read at a meaning. But there is no way one could get all the cultural references without dkdktvs (or another simmilar) vid.
I hope that helps clarify why people are asking. But you DO NOT have to react to these vids! If you just want to watch a behind the scenes of what BTS themselves puts out, there is plenty of that. Do what feels right to you. 💜
100% agree
Don't worry Roscoe. My interpretations were all clearly wrong at first. However the process was more important. Sense of wonder is what really matters. At the same time, BTS rarely explains their videos and have often said that they want their audience to have their own interpretations. So most of these "theory videos" are simply that. Just theories.
Sense of wonder; I love that!!
Yes, that what makes BTS so amazing especially to westerners..., it's the process, the investigation, the wonder, and it's crack to curious folks like you and me. I love art and BTS content is ever flowing.
I love DKDKTV version because just simple they (Danny Kim & David Kim ) are Korean. They know their culture not from book.
Those references when you know that Min yoongi actually is from a royal bloodline 🚶♀️🚶♀️
They are all just theories,
Bookish Theories does do research into the cultural context and references that others of us don't have the ability for - I love that, and respect her a lot.
Yoongi himself has never gone into a load of detail about the MV - which is in fact a collaboration between the artist and the director in any case, and it's not unusual for BTS to watch one of their MVs and express astonishment at the creativity of the director.. They really do have enormous respect for those they work with, and view the work they present as inherently comprising of all the elements - not just music and words, but costume, make-up and styling, the set, choreo etc etc.
As to whether she had criticism about her poor Korean pronunciation, I doubt it - though it's possible. It's also likely that she just knows that she did not do so well - some of the vowels are unfamiliar for western mouths.
BTS are never going to demand that we HAVE to learn about their culture - the performances and MVs do actually work on different levels - and deliberately so. Those of us who enjoy the depth, dive in and do research - those of us who just want a bop, can do just that! It's OK.
I think it's sad when people react so strongly because of their passion, which I do understand. But they can indeed make people feel attacked and become inhibited. I think that BTS don't want that either - there is room for all of us.
Part of what you will learn with BTS is there is almost never one 'right answer'. They purposely build in depth/ambiguity and there will always be multiple interpretations that are valid. I didn't believe it at first, myself, but BTS themselves have said on several occasions that they explicitly do this as part of their creative process.
Lol tell that to some of the other viewers haha
@@ThisRoscoe Haha. Very true. Some people think songs/MV are about one thing or idea…
I think it is important for people who listen to music and ARMY to realize their is no one at to interpret art/music, especially with BTS…
@@ThisRoscoe above all the other opinions expressed out in the internet, theirs is the ultimate one and they put their art out into the world and we each resonate differently with it, it's all valid!
Art takes on a life of its own and people either like and appreciate it or they don't and it's very subjective. The many layers of BTS or any of the members's solo music can be enjoyed on different levels through each person's own lens and worldview, so for those of us unifamiliar with Korean culture and language in general, these types of explanation videos are helpful.
I do suggest you don't take gatekeeping comments that TELL YOU how to interpret everything exactly as gospel too seriously, though. This has to be fun! 💜
Only thing one can be sure of: It's almost never only about boy and girl falling in love 😉
@@ThisRoscoe I think what makes it interesting is that their content can be interpreted in so many different ways. It's so clever. They're so clever.
I hear you, Roscoe! Anytime I get info that's not from the "horses' mouth," I want to know how close the source was to the horse. I think it's important to do as you did and analyze it for yourself first. We all see art differently because of the different circumstances, knowledge, and experiences we bring as viewers. I believe watching explained videos, as many "sound" theories that are available, add to my knowledge base. I can then go back and watch from a new perspective, probably leaving with some combination. I don't think there has to be "right" explanation. True art is meant to inspire. If we all write about the same incident, they would all look different. That doesn't necessarily mean any account is completely accurate or wrong but is informed by the perception and perspective of the storyteller. I said this rant to essentially say, "Do you, Roscoe." 💜
Monica! Excellent wordplay! What a gift you have! Thanks for sharing it!
@@aworthingable Thank you! That made my day. 💜
The video you saw is No More Dreams, from BTS debut time. It is very interesting how BTS and Augus D in this case make references to their rich ancestral culture. They criticize them for everything, and one of the criticisms they make of them is that of wanting to leave their culture aside. I didn't understand anything either the first time I saw this video hahaha, but I loved it!!I think that watching these explanatory videos opens a little door for us to a different culture and that is very interesting, as you said we cannot live only from what we perceive in a limited way. But we are owners to elaborate our own theories, and then let go and accept other points of view. I always like your reflections. Thanks
BTS is coming to Las Vegas this April 8, 9, 15 & 16. It's a 4 night concert. I hope you guys can catch them up.
Registered and ready for pre-sale Hunger Games!
@@ThisRoscoe wowwwww I'm excited for you. Be fast coz sometimes in pre sale alone it ran out of tickets so fast.
I believe that was No More Dream, the video shot you wanted to know about. It’s a great one!
Not a bad way to start the day-a video with Mr. Roscoe. Thank you! 💜 Have a great Monday to you and the rest of the Couch Crew 💜
It was No More Dream! Im not sure which version though, I think it was the dance version? The perspective on that one was a little more fish eye lens lol 💜
I saw a video of you on TikTok and I immediately went to RUclips to watch your videos 😂 I finished the entire playlist in like a day 🤦🏻♀️ you just remind me so much of when I became ARMY and I love it so much!
Anyway I really think you would enjoy watching Ddaeng by the rap line the live version and especially the version where Tae and JK rap too!!
I know that there are some issues ARMY has with DKDTV before for their actions around the Tannies, but they do provide a context as Koreans. Like many things in life I find it best to try to learn for a variety of sources and figure out their intentions and do we trust their 'theories' and research.
Your ending is very spot on that sometimes people can get too hung up on their own bubble and try to pull others into that bubble. We need to respect others learning first and help them along the journey and not try and grab their hand and drag them down only one path.
That's a very good conversation you tried to start about how much people are so strict and not allowing others to learn or give leeway for growth. I appreciate you opening that topic. In relation to that, those who gpt angry that you clicked off the dkdktv explanation should have been more understanding. You're a baby Army and most of older Army love to teach and guide, but there should still be respect and common courtesy.
12:51 is "No More Dream", it's the very first MV. you should check it out
Hahaha those of us who became Armys after migrating from K dramas and specifically sageuks (historical korean drama) had seen Masquerade about Gwangho and also quite a few dramas about prince sado and the rice chest.
DKDKTV explanation is also interesting.
The video that caught your eye was for No More Dream!!!
You can watch DKDK on you tube interpretation of daechwita also very good they are koreans who speak English
1) The only reason why we trust you is because you wear a Marvin the Martian hoody.
2) Thank you for reminding us all to give each other grace to learn, grow, and express ourselves.
3) I can't wait to see you react to their MV No More Dream. It's going to be epic.
Ok, now that I've watched: yes, Yoongi talks a lot about his music and music in general in the interviews. He loves music (I hope one day you will listen to First Love, it's a masterpiece) and he loves giving input for his videos. As a matter of fact, the producer of the Daechwita video told that he would want a simple video for this song, but Yoongi went to the meeting with basically the entire plot of the video written down and they followed his instructions XD Yoongi has a deep knowledge of Korean culture and History, and IT'S POSSIBLE that he thought out the details that this video explains, but as someone already told you: there's more explanation to a BTS video than we can ever guess.
These video are usefull to us (europeans and americans) though. There are details of Korean culture that we don't know and we can never guess, so... take these videos as they are: as a tool to know our guys culture better, and understand them a little more. Much love!
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By chance could you erase the part in your comment explaining First Love? He doesn’t want any spoilers, etc. (no hate)
First Love is one of my favorites as well. Beautiful song.
Edit; He got to this comment before me. Lol. Darn
@@amberpearce710 oh...I'm so sorry! I didn't really thought it can be a spoiler... I'll edit it immediatley!
@@ThisRoscoe I'm really sorry for the spoiler T_T Thinking in english is tricky for me sometimes, and I didn't thought it can be read as a spoiler sorry sorry sorry T_T
@@ElathaTheCrow You are totally fine. I am impressed with people who write, understanding, or speak different languages. You are doing great!!
Laughing so hard at seeing your face when you saw the “No More Dream” MV clip. I’m sure you now know that was their very first MV. You’re going to LOVE early BTS. You still don’t know what you’re really in for. The rabbit hole literally goes through the Earth and out the other side. I’m settled in on the couch and I’m not going anywhere!
Roscoe, if anyone tells you that you are being disrespectful, they clearly don’t see you. Anyone with eyes and ears can see what a thoughtful, kind, curious, considerate, joyful human you are. I personally am enjoying your BTS discovery journey, love being a member of the comfy couch, and wouldn’t have you change a single damn thing. I definitely would NEVER presume that I, or anyone for that matter, has the right to demand that you do.
Roscoe! Bookish Theories does a lot of research on the Korean/Asian references used in the songs she theorizes about. She also gathers any information she can from interviews/Vlives/Weverse posts on the songs/MVs and weaves the research with the quotes to get her Bookish Theories. She is awesome and has a really great sense of humor. That being said, she's Italian and has stated her difficulties with speaking Korean. So it is probably her humor AND caution about upsetting K-ARMY by mispronouncing words that resulted in the statement.
The video clip is NO MORE DREAM.☺
Remember to NOT let the loudest few with negative vibes cause you to over think how you travel your journey. 99% of us try to give constructive advice/ criticism if we say anything at all about how you choose to do your journey. KEEP ENJOYING YOURSELF!
Journey on...
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i always remind myself to educate before judging over text. often we put our own defensive preconceived notion into the black and white letters of someone else and imagine that it was said out of malice. that certain someone might me ignorant, but not hateful per se, and when that's the case aggressive attitude will never help to make them see the other point of view that you prefer and want to share. being polite is (almost) always the first option we need to choose, being patient is the second
The video you are questioning is No More Dream, that is the boys' first ever mv and debut song, quite a banger
It's their first single called NO MORE DREAMS. It's awesome 💜
Whenever I have watched a BTS MV that needed an explanation, I have watched every explanation video for it I could find. With one exception, the Bookish Theories explanations are the most complete, reflective of both Korean history and culture and present-day social trends, as well as psychology. I love the Bookish Theories voice, because it is both gentle and informative, and slightly mocking, as if mocking our skepticism of what she / he has to say. That kind of lyrical playfulness is a style of voice used by all three rappers in BTS.
Every Bookish Theories video I have watched has shown a full, detailed awareness of the points of view of BTS members - based on vlogs, interviews, tweets, and such - as well as their management, where appropriate. The person behind the channel does a major great job of research. The explanations from this channel are often the last to appear, because there's so much research behind them.
Wanna say one more thing. I grit my teeth when Americans go all skeptical about other cultures' presentations of their own cultures' creative work. It makes the other-culture people into "others." Instead of "we." Americans are the myopic ones. Recognizing that should be part of conscious awareness for any American who is discussing another culture's creative work.
Many of your subscribers are watching *your* evolution, opening up to BTS and how they represent youth and Korean culture. Many of us have already questioned (and often continue to question) aspects of our own focus on BTS. We have done, and continue to do, our best to educate ourselves in the contexts of BTS's lives and creative output. Please don't assume that we are in preschool on these issues, as you seem to be doing towards the end of your video.
Glad you had a look at one of the explanation videos. To be honest I do prefer in general the dkdktv ones. But I also like to listen the songs and watch the videos first without seeing lyrics, etc just to get the feel of the song and make my own theories... Which in most cases are hilariously wrong (there's a song called "Dimple" that I thought on first listen it was a sad love story - I know you haven't heard it yet but believe me is nothing BUT 😂) About this particular song, there's also an interview with Suga himself which is ultimately canon. At the end of the day we are here to have fun and enjoy (even seasoned ARMY never guessed the real story behind Tear) I particularly enjoy cultural/historical aspects but that's just my thing (I have a degree in History & always been interested in other cultures) Again, thanks for your video, really enjoyed it!
As a teacher, you did the right thing for yourself. I wanted to say this back then too. We don’t learn as well when people spoon feed us information, the productive struggle and the personal “AhHA!” Moments are super important for growth. I think you handled it all very well. 💜
You are certainly not way off AT ALL. The guys always encourage us to keep growing, to keep learning, and to recognize that people make mistakes. But despite that, those mistakes make us who we are. They and all of the scars of the past "make up your constellation". The guys tell us that they're always trying to better themselves, which in turn, encourages us to better ourselves too. The fact that you can acknowledge the same thing is what makes you so amazing, Roscoe. It's the reason I love the guys so much, and it's one of the reasons I continue to follow you on your journey 💜
Roscoe I love what you said about humans having to evolve in order to get out and explore more. So true, you don’t have to stick with what you already know or what you’re comfortable with. It’s the process of learning about yourself.
Yoongi is in reality a descent off Korean Royalty 🤯🤯 how fitting is this song 💜💜🇳🇱🇳🇱👌👌
I think we can treat the historic and cultural references she mentions as facts (at least the obvious ones). I'm guessing how we *interpret* those in the context of the video and what AgustD wanted to say, is a theory (although I'm sure he probably made some comments on the song/MV himself)
Good way to put it. A lot of these videos most ARMY use to understand the Korean context or wordplay then we interpret it however we want.
Their are a few things that BTS tells us during interviews and/or vlives that also add context or give some answers…
He literally confirmed this video. Many people are wondering if BT work in BigHit because most of her theories are on point.
@@sariel8406 Just curious when he did? I believe you but just curious
@@sariel8406 Nah, a lot of this is stuff is basic Korean history. I lived in Korea and knew most of this stuff the very first time I saw the mv. It's not outlandish for a non-employee to have made it.
As ARMY and otherwise, I tend to just ingest a whole buncha information about the context of the art and the artist. Then I just appreciate it for what itis and what it could mean for the artist as well as for so many people.
As for other ARMYs, always remember that this is a multicultural & multilingual community. It's true that a lot of people are not emotionally mature enough to support new ARMYs' discovery process BUT --- I have found that many don't mean to sound rude yet they do, because they just don't have a grasp of English and/or our cultural nuances to communicate effectively.
P.S. DKDKTV stands for Danny Kim and David Kim TV (in no particular order). It's 2 friends who are the central personalities on the channel. They aren't as detailed as Bookish Theories, but their Explained by A Korean videos are definitely worth watching.
Thank you, Angela!
The beauty of art and creativity is that it can speak differently to each person that views it. It speaks to you through your experiences and where you are in life at that point. It can even mean different things to the same person if they see it at different times in their life. You can not judge and control how another person views art, and the meaning it holds for them, even if it is different from what the artist was trying to conveying at that time for themselves. I don't think any true artist would be upset that their art spoke to someone, in whatever way it does.
Roscoe, please don't listen to those that try to gatekeep your BTS experience. It is YOUR experience. I love hearing your theories and learning about other's points of view. How boring would the world be if everybody did everything the same way, and thought the same way. Please keep being you, it is what makes your channel so special!
14:05 is -their debut song - no more dream
Your comments near the end about echo chambers and growth are *so* important. And honestly, it's these types of discussions that are my fav part of hanging out with you on the couch. Your open mind, introspection, balanced views, curiosity, willingness to be vulnerable and talk about real life, the real world, and real emotions, these are all the things that make you special as a person, and *that* is your greatest gift to us on this channel. And while this won't be well received by some...the truth is that for all the love and joy and kindness that ARMY spreads, there is also a lot of hypocrisy, criticism, and controlling behavior too, and I don't just mean by the blatant bad apples. A lot of it comes from a messy mix of k-pop culture, anti-k-pop culture, justified protectiveness from past BTS and ARMY hardships, and also problematic defensiveness, overreaction, and a sense of superiority that we've convinced ourselves is justified. Even true, loving ARMY can act in ways that wouldn't always make BTS proud. All that to say, please keep being you and sharing your good heart and wisdom and life lessons, because we all deserve to keep growing.
Thank you. 🙏
Did you ever find out what BTS video they showed? I know it's for one of the songs of their first albums, but I can't remember anymore
13:00 - that video is 'No More Dream,' BTS's debut song from June 13, 2013.
An intricate masterpiece - musically, lyrically, visually, and conceptually.
Daechwita gets never old :-)
Watch both, is my advice, more information helps you create your own theory better
Hey Pika! Are you on Twitter or IG? Can you DM me?
J-ARMY for 7 years and 65 years old lady is here. Thank you for interesting and love for my country Japan. Just my opinion I'm not hate or love her video. Long long time ago I watched her video just one time but never into her channel. Sorry my English. ありがとう。
Roscoe, the older video you were asking about was "No more dream". I think you'll really enjoy watching that, too; you might want to put it on your list. If I remember correctly, it was their debut video. In any case, it was one of their very earliest videos; they were literally just babies back then. 😍
Awww… Roscoe, you’re such an adorable baby! The mv you freaked out about is No More Dream, their debut song.
I prefer DKDKTV because of their understanding of the language and cultural references. But it’s your channel and bookish theory did a good job.
Ahhhhhh Marvin the Martian is my favorite!!!!💣😶😠 😅
Just a quicky Roscoe as most people have covered all your points already. If you venture into No More Dream MV the English subs one was posted on Channel 1TheK and not on the "official" channel. Bighit used to post to 1TheK before they had the resources to sub them themselves, so they are official ones too :)
Roscoe, I agree with you that some netizens these days are intolerant of any mistakes other people make. It's like, one mistake, and you're cancelled. I believe we should be more forgiving than that. One comment doesn't represent a person's whole life. One mistake shouldn't define a person. Instead of judging and canceling and punishing each other, we should try to understand each other and learn from one another. Roscoe, you nice keep going.
Well said Femmy!
Totally agree!!! I don’t like cancel culture for this reason.
Let them leave...period !!
I think if you haven't already I'd watch DKDKTV channel explanation vid of Daechwita as well. I think it's best to watch different videos to get different aspects but also similarities. I think one video will never have all the answer and best to watch different ones to get more context I guess. :)
BTW the video that you're wondering about is "No more dream", their first song and video.
Great to react to both as they explain slightly different things. DKDKTV is from the Korean perspective so wouldn't ignore. Agree with you, everyone's viewpoint is worth considering if we want to grow, and we all see things differently which makes the experience more valuable and whole/complete.
3:16 Yes they are
Usually if servant are thrown and rolled in a carpet
It means they are beaten senseless and with rythme
Kdrama
But in this mv, the balcony is filled by bags that can only fit bloody severed head
For me I think the DKDKTV explination video was better although this one have more details
Anyways that's just my opinion l always prefer DKDKTV videos.
Me too.
There is a really good behind the scenes shooting sketch where they talk to Yoongi. I find that DKDKTV is great.💜
The Video you asked about is Called NO MORE DREAMS and was their 1st video. Roscoe: I sat here and laughed becuz you clearly haven't figured out who & what ARMY are yet. My opinion of ARMY is that there is a segment of ARMY, that are the most intelligent, best detectives/researchers on the Planet. On the day a BTS Video drops, ARMY is going frame by frame on the new music video. People are going over the lyrics. After they've watched the video, you will see theories starting to drop on both RUclips & Twitter. Research is being done and explanations are being vetted for accuracy. It's hard work. It's 24 hours straight. A lot of fun to be a part of this day. It's draining. You will hear comments such as make sure you hydrate. Eat correctly. Get sleep leading up to the video drop. On video drop day, we are juggling the world. From streaming on RUclips, Spotify, all streaming platforms, to # tagging on twitter, to our youtubers/TikTok's making videos to get the word out about BTS' new music. Like I said, it's hard work but it's feel good work. Remember, you can set your clock to it but someone is always gonna pee on your cornflakes, no matter how many times we direct them to the restroom. Roscoe, we only ask you to have fun with this journey.
Hey Roscoe! I love your Marvin hoodie. I grew up in Saskatchewan and we call hoodies “bunny hugs” so I love that you call yours a hug!
You went back to your beginning, now it seems time to go to BTS beginning!! No more dream is a great song and the MV is fun!
Hey roscoe sorry I haven't been around these days, Life has been rough for me, but I'm still here
Hi Fercy! Sorry to hear things have been tough. It’s good to see here, sending you Love.
@@ThisRoscoe life is less rough when one has places like this to come back and feel welcome 💜
@@Blackitty19 love to hear that. I needed to hear that right now. Thank you 🙏 ❤️
Hey there Fercybh, much love.
@@patricianash7613 thanks Patricia 💜 I reaaaally needed this ☺️
20:00 - OMG, I totally agree with you. I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine. He was being super hard on himself bc he messed up at work and was reprimanded harshly. I told him that it's too bad that companies don't promote an environment where their employees can make mistakes without the imminent fear that their pay will be docked or they will be fired. It's just not an environment conducive to learning and bettering oneself, you know? 😰
Oh Roscoe! I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm glad you are sticking to "the do you" mentality though because, ultimately, I feel like this is your journey as much as it is a journey we are all taking with you. *hugs* I hope you continue to see that whatever path you end up taking, whether it is "right or wrong", it'll be your experience of BTS and to me, there is no right or wrong way. As long as you keep being respectful and open-minded, I truly believe you will be just fine. 💜
I mean, technically everything is a theory unless the members themselves makes a statement. And art is subjective as it is. Yoongi has talked about it here and there, which they did put into account in the video. And all the cultural stuff and references they pointed out are very accurate as far as I know. Bookish Theory goes for facts, not wild speculations. Most of the information they give you can specifically be found in the MV itself and it's usually stuff that Koreans would actually pick up that us westerners aren't fully educated on. (For cultural references; they do also give you literary references ect. It's all there for us to pick up, some people just have more of an eye for it than otheres.)
As for the last part- I'm going to be completely honest, since sincerity is the rule of thumb for the cozy couch. When you turned off the explanation video the first time, I winced a bit. I mean, the DKDKtv one isn't even my preferred explanation for the mv because unlike Bookish Theory, it's mostly based in speculation and not on what Yoongi has said. But it does still point out cultural references. Of course, I can see you're genuine and still learning your way around as a baby Army. I had faith that if people politely explained you should watch it in the comments, that you would.
I'm so sorry if you felt like you had to worry over how other people would handle it. I do think that sometimes Army gets so used to people being fake and willfully ignorant that defensiveness is a knee-jerk reaction. And you're well aware of how fake some of these people can be on youtube. However, you're not one of them and even if you made a tiny mistake, that doesn't take away from anything you're doing or all the effort you're putting in. I don't think any rational Army would have unfollowed over something so small when you have plenty of other videos showing how authentic you are. But even if they did- just know that you don't need them. The little community you're creating here is full of positive and loving vibes. So if people unfollow for something silly, just think of it as weeding your garden on the way to cultivating your oasis.
Sorry that was so long- always love your reactions and little couch talks. Thank you
"As for the last part- I'm going to be completely honest, since sincerity is the rule of thumb for the cozy couch. When you turned off the explanation video the first time, I winced a bit." I absolutely understand, 100%. And I had every intention of finishing that video -after- I got a chance to theorize myself, but I just ran out of time. A bit of a perfect storm. I do appreciate your honesty.
"So if people unfollow for something silly, just think of it as weeding your garden on the way to cultivating your oasis." I love this. So well put. Thanks for your voice here, Jared!
In all explanation videos lyrics interpretation is up to the author of the video, their "theory" so to speak, unless it was explicitly stated by the members. Dkdktv have very good videos for Idol (+add the video by xCeleste to it for more fandom references and it's perfect), UGH!, Ddaeng, Baepsae. However, recently they've been kinda salty towards bangtan and Daechwita fell into that period, so for Daechwita I strongly prefer Bookish theories video - it has all the historical references needed and some more 😁 the detail about the mask pendant is my absolute favorite 😎
I 100% agree with what you said about if we do not allow for mistakes from others and ourselves we will never grow. Thank you for being willing to share your journey with all of us.
26:08 NOOO YOU ARE 100% RIGHT.
Like the saying "great minds think alike.." many forget or don't know that the whole phrase is "great minds think alike, though fools seldom differ."
We should always be evolving.
I love listening to your philosophical ramblings! One of my favorite sayings is ‘all I know is I know nothing’. I use that to remind myself that even if I think I truly know something that there is always room to learn more and allow my perspective and understanding to change. I agree with you that we do sometimes forget to allow others to make mistakes and learn in their own way. We don’t all think in the same ways so why would we learn in the same ways either. Those differences are part of what makes you sharing your BTS journey with us so enjoyable. You sharing your thoughts with us allows me to rediscover something I love from a whole new perspective and I love that! Do you Roscoe, Borahae!! 💜💙💜
All I know is I know nothing. I LOOVEEEEEE ITTTTTT HXHSJSNDHDJSNZHDBD
@@ThisRoscoe lol I’m glad you like it so much! I’ve used it to help me keep an open mind since I was a teenager if not longer 😊
I like how above the "untouchables" mask necklace in 14:40 , he has a Chanel chain 🤣
Nice catch lol
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tl;dr you nice, keep going
i dont comment too often because i am often long winded but bare with me, the more you learn on this journey the easier it is to forget that at one point you knew nothing. i feel like i know SO MUCH but a couple years ago i didn't even know their names. and i obviously don't know everything. some armys [i tend to think it's younger armys but adult armys can be this way too] don't police themselves enough on what information is NEED to know and what information is NICE to know, you know? some theories are just theories and there is no way to confirm or deny them because art is always up for interpretation. sometimes the answer to a question lies in a small clip from a vlive or interview that armys only know if they've literally watched everything bts has ever done, and so there are armys out there trying to correct misinformation but at some point it gets out of hand. Your bts journey is YOURS and i do believe everyone experiences it differently. Roscoe, watching your journey is such a pleasure because it's so interesting to watch someone who is adopted by army so quickly and also embraces army with open arms the way you do because we totally understand this is all very overwhelming with the loud voices coming from every direction. i always enjoy the "explained" videos because i can learn about the actual Korean references that i have no way of deciphering myself, but also most of the time those references are just extra sprinkles of genius on top of a very straight forward story that anyone from any culture would understand. like you can listen to Ddaeng and feel the sass and love the song on its own, then read the lyrics and already understand generally where they are coming from, and thennnn learn the specific references they are making and blow your mind even further. much love Roscoe.
I'm so excited, yes 🤗
Hi there Roscoe. I enjoyed the video as well as your rant and personal views on it all. I love hearing your point of view.
This is my first "DAECHWITA" Explained video. Like I said, I'm fairly new. I've seen most of their songs/live performances but haven't dove into the detailed explanations of their songs until now with you. So, I am enjoying your journey and learning with you.
I love that your heart wants to make everyone happy; that says so much about you. I have that same mentality, and it's been hard for me to just do me. But I'm learning little by little and improving on that aspect.
Thank you for allowing me to join you on the couch with all these beautiful people, beautiful, and take this journey with you, which willaso be my journey. Nothing better than hanging out at the couch with my bro and friends enjoying BTS. 💜
I have always enjoyed watching these videos to understand Korean references and wordplay etc. It is also cool to see other people’s theories or perspectives….
Welcome to the journey!!💜💜
Welcome Liz...buckle up, we are among friends enjoying BTS
Thanks Roscoe! I never saw that explanation of Daechwita. It's really good! The DKDKTV explanation is also very good. I've watched that explanation video.
If someone leaves your channel because you didn't do what they think you should - it's Fake Love 💜
Keep rambling. It distracts me when I'm having a bad day. This video popped up at the exactly right time for me. I needed a break from my own not so great stream of consciousness. Further proof to me that you and BTS are meant to be because they also have a habit of showing up when I need them most.
I think that video they showed a clip of might have been "no more dream" or one of their earlier works. I honestly haven't seen it yet either.
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Keep rambling. Got it. I’m gonna blame you from now on! 😜
@@ThisRoscoe ::sigh:: I'm used to it. 😐😉
The video at 12:50 is NO MORE DREAM
Their debut song.🥰
Fun fact: In No More Dream Suga sings "I want a big house, big cars and big rings". He references or comments on the frase in several of their songs over the years. It's just one of those fascinating little details that make them so unique. 💜
I love that she aproaches their videos from a therapists perspective. She is facinating. You should go back to the beginning of her videos and work your way forward.
Historically accurate yes! Opinion yes! These seven human beings were fated to be together to express their own personal empathetic feelings and views about themselves and the world. Army who is about 100 million plus strong have that many feelings and opinions about the poetic words that each of these members share with them. What you do as a human being is take this new journey for yourself and allow army to enjoy it with you. To this I say bravo! I have been army for about one and a half years. These human beings are the most humble I have ever witnessed in a self-indulgent environment of Fame. They have allowed us roughly 14 hours a day for the last 10 and 1/2 almost 11 years now to be a part of every moment of their lives. The discography is enormous. To follow their journey of joys sorrows humor highs lows their love for each other their support for each other and to witness how they work through conflict and remain closer than before is incredible. There is so much for you to dive into take it one at a time. Enjoy it one at a time. Understand that especially for the rappers Yoongi and RM that they write in such a way that they trash the haters without being disrespectful. This is why true army love them so much. Army ranges in age from young teenagers to grandparents in their 80s and 90s. So we fall in the mid-range of this wide spectrum of why people love them. It's because they care they empathize and they do not stand down from the truth of their words. They stand by what they feel. And bang let them do that from the very beginning starting with no more dreams. Go back to the beginning and follow them through you will love the journey.
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Roscoe, do you and enjoy your journey. I personally watch DkDkTV’s, XCeleste and Asian Theories the most with explanations, but remember it is also their theories. They do research based on Korean Culture and history and past interviews. But your theories as a video creator is correct as well. We love your journey and it reminds me a lot about my own. At the end it is how you interpret things and that’s how we grow together. The way you interpret the music and videos is also based on your experience and where you are in your life. Don’t try to make any happy but yourself and those that agree with you will follow and grow with you. The boys love to see that and trust that they will check your videos out. They always follow and the comfy couch is so loving and welcoming that they may comment one day. Much love and light to you on your journey, Army Mom out! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
16:58 I just wanted to add.
The fire power he is using is rumored to be a colt 1860 army
If you follow the BTS/A.R.M.Y venture and set of mind
I would say the plot thickens
There’s a video with Suga’s practise of this Korean saber
A fake was used but I think he had it made.
This was my personal introduction to August D
And finally the car is used likely model is used in his early MV
It is color branded In Psy’s last song
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I don't know who Marvin the Martian is exactly, but that jacket/hug is adorable. I love it.
I also appreciate not living in a bubble or echo chamber. I feel like conversing with people who have different backgrounds, experiences, and opinions is so important. And yes, it's a "theory", but a well-researched and evidenced theory. I'm glad I watched. I learned something new, too. :) That doesn't mean you can't still derive other meanings or explanations from it. Art is subjective and open to interpretation.
Marvin is from Bugs Bunny. He's adorable
@@nelliezamborsky3224 thank you! I may have to search for some videos to see. I have a soft spot for non-Earth species. 😂👽
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You can have any discussion to any subjects or matter in any attire.
It will still be your point of view
I remember when you stopped the explanation video in that other video. I was really happy that you had. I prefer people come up with their own theories. In my opinion there's no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to interpreting art - and it really annoys me when people treat popular youtube channel theories as fact. THAT BEING SAID, the explanation/theory videos from reputable sources such as DKDKTV and Bookish Theories, where you know they're well researched, are really good in learning the cultural references used in the lyrics/MV - but for me, the best way to watch a theory/explanation video is to watch it, learn the cultural references, and then come up with your own theory - maybe you agree with the theory/explanation you just watched, but maybe you don't, and that's okay too.
Never ever ever clicked on a notification so fast...
That video is "No more dream" their first ever single, it's their debut song and a heavy hip-hop music(2013)
Gotta hand it to you for calling out all the “know-it-alls” who didn’t know anything either when they first watched a video 👍
As for the word “theory”…. A theory can be 100% true and a theory at the same time. The author can never “prove” everything is correct, so it is a theory. That doesn’t mean it’s not correct, just that she has no way to prove it, unless the makers of the MV confirm it.
The video is debut song No More Dream 2013 off the 2 Kool 4 Skool album
I completely agree with your commentary after the video. Living and staying in the same echo chamber oftentimes hinders growth and open-mindedness. Sometimes, it causes inflexibility because we've gotten so used to people reaffirming our opinions (confirmation bias). I'm happy that you have no qualms bringing this up, some people need to hear it. We can all be better people, always. 💜💜💜
Thank you Trish!
Thought I'd add something after your comments about some of the rapid grief you received when stopping the explanation of Daechwita. BTS has a rap song titled 'UGH',
I'll just say it's about what you have just discussed and leave it there. Don't ever worry about your theories, we all have them and very few are absolutely right, we didn't write the bloody lyrics .💜🇦🇺
I'm not sure I already praised you for this, but providing acutate Korean subs, not that auto-generated crap too many other channels do, is a G-dsend and though you're not speaking it, reading along is still very beneficial and has upped my vocab tremendously. Thanks for allowing that to happen especially on BTS-related topics which already have my attention. Looking forward to more 😀.