Water Wheel Build-Transmission Mount
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I built the transmission mount and adjustment for the belt. We did a test on the setup and we are getting plenty of RPMs for a regular alternator. I don't know if there will be enough torque with this gearing setup. We have plenty of water flow to turn the wheel, just not sure that after all the gearing if it will be enough power left to spin the alternator under a load.
I love the simplicity!! Great work! There appears to be lots of room to add an appropriate amount of flywheel weight to keep your rpms at the right level for producing usable power. Lookin forward to your next video Luke...thank you for all you do!
Yes, a flywheel for maintaining momentum will be essential for smoothing out the changing loads.
Interesting method for removing the belt. I went old school and did an idler pulley attached to an adjustable screen door spring.
That works too, probably better actually.
That will spin the alternator very good! Can't wait to see it at work
I think it will do the trick.
Your gettin there for sure Luke. I'm excited.
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Hi Channel LukeFugateI really liked your water wheel and power generation projects. Very cool. I live in São Paulo in Brazil and here we have incredible hydraulic potential because we have several rivers. Although most of the power generation here in Brazil is from hydroelectric plants (approximately 85%). I also have a channel that I have several small-scale projects. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences. I'm sorry for my very bad English 😩😩. Hugs and much success in the projects.
Thank you for watching. I will check out your channel.
I want to point out that the key concept of a high-torque water wheel. Has two components Leverage did he hamburger of your will and water heaviness. This is just flowing over the top with no pressure behind it like coming out of a small Flume system. Now you can get heaviness buy a wider wheel. Happiness is something you want to keep on your rotation as much as possible you would definitely have the top one fourth of the wheel below that is a struggle to keep the water on the Wheel that is until it reaches the bottom where you would want every bit of the water out. This is why they curve their blades. Moreover one could add on the left and right side gutters these keep the water flowing over the blades. More water on the top of the water wheel produces more leverage. What you have made so far if you put alongside a boat you would have a Paddle Wheel. A Paddle Wheel is not a water wheel. If you had a flowing stream underneath it it may produce a great amount of torque if you booked it in or you have the current. With what you got is a pipe or a hose. You may do well with a bunch of shovels in a circle and have them spinning as the water hits the shovels. This is a different type of hydroelectric power. You are harnessing the pressure of what is coming out of the hose. And the problems are clogging up the pipe with leaves. But I Love You video do not get me wrong it is a good video. You probably are going to get it worked out. I hope it will keep you warm at night as you can plug in some type of heater I'd suggest a hot water heater element and try to dump whatever you can dump into them and then try to circulate the heat through an old hot water heater.
We have a 35' head on our homestead and a good year round stream. I plan on 3" pipe 600'. 1 1/4" pipe gave me 25# of pressure and it turns our Pelton wheel rather well so 3" and 2 nozzles should do great. A Pelton wheel needs no transmission. Measure your head with a GPS on your smartphone. Does a pretty accurate job and no guess work. You are way over thinking a simple easy to calculate power source there bud but as long as you are having fun that's all that counts until TSHTF. Forget that alternate and get a permanent magnet SD or smart drive motor from a cloths washer. They are everywhere and can be had for $25. Just need a tad of rewiring and the instructions are all over yt. Just search SD micro turbine or such. No belts needed.
Great video !! Luv it, can't wait to see it in action.
Thanks!
Dude, you're awesome! I want to do what you're doing. But, make the wheel bigger, an overshot wheel gets almost all it's energy from gravity (height of the wheel) Undershots are all flow, no gravity. Turbines all the gravity and flow is turned into pressure (no air) so are the most efficient. But they seem to be very high maintenance, screens, bearings, turbines, etc. Overshot wheel, grease the hardwood bearings once a year and that's it. A watrerwheel turns to slow for steel bearings. Keep up the great work.
Thanks! I have decided to go with more solar power as the water wheels always seem to get destroyed the first time it floods.
You are correct that an overshoot wheel is the way to go.
15ft of head on the water, get a 6ft wheel built like a ferris wheel from steel tube and fit it with huge buckets the HP from that will be significant enough to run a few thousand watts 24/7 .....
Good idea. I have actually seen wire spools made of steel like you are talking about. Buckets sound like a lot better way to contain the water.
So if we double the small belt pulley we will be at about 3500 rpm?? What about the flex/bounce of the dolly armature?? Looked like it was bouncing around pretty good. Doesnt that take away from efficiency?? Maaaannnnnnnn - you got a lotta flow from that crick. 30' drop?? Hell yeah turbine, rampump, AND a waterwheel, maybe two! I bet if you went 8" to 6" to 4" to 2" you could have firehose pressure...... Awesome system, cant wait!!
I think the bounce was from the uneven speed my son was spinning the wheel with. I think with the flow of water it will be a lot smoother. Yeah stepping down the hose sizes would greatly increase pressure. There are a lot of possibilities with this water source.
Very impressive! Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
Will be great to see it run !
Yeah, I may have to improve the transmission some though. Not sure if the bushing type transmission will last long.
Prove concept, then make it better : ]
Very good
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Good luck hearing enough water power behind that wheel to turn it that fast. Especially with a load on it
Yeah, it would never spin that fast under load. It does spin an alternator, but not as efficiently as I would like. For now I am using a pelton wheel.
Where did you get the 1:21 transmission? What did it come off of?
Nice. I would say running that fast 24/7 your lawnmower transmission would be your fail point.
Yeah, they aren't made for constant use. I think I may design a gearbox with ball bearings instead of the bushings in this one. It will probably not end up turning that fast once it is in operation. I'm thinking if I can get a consistent 1500-2000 rpm it would be enough.
@@lukeFugate I only say that because my lawnmower transmission wore out after moving my fat ass around my yard after three years. Maybe 75 miles in it? Lol
@@lukeFugate i have a peerless 6 speed transaxle and its been through 5 chassis as i use them off road. If you can find a peerless model transaxle buy it
If You can find a adjustable speed drill press you salvage the step pully from it to replace the two pulleys coming off the lawn mower trans once You know the speed of the water wheel
If Recall right alternators run at 1500 to 4,000 RPM as a sweet spot
Good idea! That would give me a lot of flexibility in gear ratios.
I would be concerned about the RPM in the gearbox, It was never designed to run at 6300 RPM, at the most it was designed for 2000 on the input, heat generation may kill it
Yeah, it would not last long spinning that fast. I have other ideas of how to make it work.
Lots of "free" power year round! How far up the hill did you have to go for that much flow? Building a raceway would take a lot of digging wouldn't it? I'm really interested in what you come up with for a water turbine. We have some big storms coming up from the Southwest, so it may shut down your outdoor work for awhile.
The pipe is almost 150 feet long. I think If I could build some sort of trough that would run from the high point to drop off over the wheel would be ideal. What I will probably end up doing first will be the 4 or 6 inch pipe that will be the easiest and cheapest thing to start out with. I hope there's not more rain coming, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Great video - how much energy does it make? Thank you
Not much it doesn't produce the torque I would like. Under any type of load, it slows down much too easy.
Are you building a waterwheel or a turbine? 15ft of head should mean a waterwheel of about 14ft in diameter. 15ft of head could alternatively power a turgo turbine directly attached to your PMA negating the need for such a large "water wheel" and associated mechanical rpm increasers. I don't think what you're building will work anywhere near the fullest efficiency achievable.
I'm doing both. I am making a turbine also. The turbine will be done first because it will take a while to get the supplies to make the water trough that will bring the water to the wheel. I know the wheel won't be the most efficient, but I like water wheels and it will make some power. I think even just the water wheel will make plenty of power for the occasional use of the cabin. I had the first one set up much less efficiently and it was enough to run the lights in my house(All LEDs). I should be able to got most of the weekend on just the batteries without any charge going into them, so the wheel just will be maintaining the batteries while I'm gone. Actually, the turbine is kind of overkill for no more time I will use the cabin, but it will be a fun project anyway.
Very interesting idea
Thanks!
Maybe put some atf in the transaxel, with a bit of Lucas, maybe it would last, but I'd go direct with pulleys.
The transmission loses a lot of efficiency, I'm thinking just belts and pullys would be better.
That video is amazing! But how did you get the 1:21 ratio? i don't see any belt or 3 pully? What's below that disc tat spins at 6300rmp?
I have a lawnmower transmission under the big pulley. The smaller pulley is hooked to the axle of the transmission where the wheel would go.
luke Fugate, thanks for your reply, really helpful. What would you say is the gear ratio to aim for? You said you have a 1:105 but was wondering if you know if a smaller gear ratio would do the trick?
Looks really good. Are you going to add some sort of lubrication system to that transmission?
I was thinking of a drip oil system actually. That transmission is built with bushings where it should have bearings. I may end up eventually trying to either retrofit bearings in there or design a gearbox from scratch.
Bushings sound scary. Oil drip makes sense for now, but at those rpms, i would sure worry about failure way too soon.
I was thinking the noise that thing is making, there is some resistance in there that's going to create some heat.
Find ya a hydro rear end or better yet a single transmission unit off a residential zero turn for infinite adjustment for speed/torque and last a bit longer than geared rears
Thanks! Good tip!
Are you still using it? I'm going throw your videos and considering which one I'll try, thanks for sharing!
The one I had the most success with was the Pelton wheel turbine. I have went to mostly solar now a lot less maintenance.
you may know there are a Major losses when a (ridiculously long) belt is used, in an energy conversion scheme. oftentimes, the first output stage needs to be roller chain. you may know that where an installation is distant from the point of use, the wild ac from a pma Should be transmitted, over a long cable run. cheers
Yeah, there would have to be losses. I would have liked to have had the transmission hooked directly to the wheel. I am going to try to have the alternator charge batteries which are located close to the wheel with an inverter directly on the batteries. Then I want to try to send the a/c from the inverter to the cabin.
@@lukeFugate that would work. HOWEVER, running the wild ac lets you put those power components where they can be more easily accessed for maintenance,etc. cheer
True, It would also give me the ability to easily run 12-volt circuits for the cabin straight off the batteries. Good suggestion, thanks!
i write to share some info that probably is not already between your ears. a pma (or pm-motor) Must be used. an un-modified car alternator, generally, won't work. power take-off, NEAR the 'wheel's center of rotation, Should consist of a gear/pulley having a radius JUST sufficient to accommodate the use of a first stage ratio of 1:3. this step-up gearing Should be designed for Optimal performance, in an energy conversion and power transmission scheme. it must be remembered that as output rotation rate is increased, torque potential at the center of rotation, is 'lost'. so, the load has an ever increasing Mechanical Advantage over the turbine runner. the nominal operating speed (and load) of the pma Should be compatible with the nominal speeds Achievable, in a given setting. you may know that when a pma is connected into a low-impedance Power circuit, lenz-force drag Will occur, as the rotor magnets move by the stator coils. this is the (internal) LOAD. the 'work' that must be done. it is useful to simulate a 'loaded' condition; and it is easy. simply, Short the pma output. this will cause the maximum (internal) pma load.
if you do Not ever accurately estimate the head, flow rate and available energy, the odds of achieving an efficient system configuration are long, indeed. cheers googletranslate scroll down to 'calculating''
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Not sure if loose bicycle chain takes less drag than a tight belt . Nic work though.
Bicycle chain would be less drag on it I think.
Hello, what was your source of water for the water wheel? Was it some fountain etc?
I have a water fall of sorts to put it near. I will just have to make a water way to lead water to it. I have since gotten distracted by a few other projects but will be finishing this one soon.
How does the voltage drop along your wire to your house? Is it an issue?
It depends on wire size and distance. You will get voltage drop regardless. Too thin of wire will result in unacceptable loss. If you have over 50 feet from the generator to the batteries, you would need thicker wire. For less than 50 feet number 10 wire should be adequate. Anything further would have to be number 8 or bigger.
Is that a lawn mower rear end?
yes it is.
@@lukeFugate thank you for letting me know. I built a water wheel but it didn’t turn fast enough to make a spark. I’m using a 110/220v 1/2 hp electric motor from a blower fan off an ac unit and also got the transformer wired in to hop up the juice but it again don’t turn fast enough. I got a friend with a welder that says he’s always wanted to build one and I’m gonna recommend he use your setup since he’ll be rebuilding it. It’s not a hobby for me or for fun it’s so I can get free power to the camper I live in and say fuck you to an electric bill that hopefully I’ll never have. I’m wanting to wire it up like a house so about how many volts would I need at the most? I just wanna be able to run a few things at the same time like you would in a house.
What is that transmission off of?
An old riding lawnmower not meant for this kind of use. It wore out quickly.
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This is Great
Losing An awful lot of power with the riding mower gearbox, would probably be better off building a transmission of your own with chains and sprockets. Sweet setup regardless👍
Very true. A pma won't have to spin nearly that fast anyway. I'm still waiting to get the materials to build the waterway for the wheel anyway.
Where did u find that gearbox
It is a lawnmower transmission. Not sure I will end up using it though.
1:38 LQQK - its a pisssing match!!
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You need to repack that lawn mower transmission with grease or whatever kind of oil it takes
That's cost money
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I don't understand, but thanks for the comment.
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noisy sounds like a lot of resistants. simple enough should work where the test video
What car transaction is that?
It's a lawnmower transmission.
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