Gathering materials and selling them : 90% of the income Crafting : spending millions on melds only for a small margin of added value, which could have been better spent gathering more and selling the extra mats.
all my melds are grade 9/10 which were farmed myself last expansion. top end crafters never buy materia because we have insanely huge collections of it
I am in a small server and I have been using this method, but because it is slow moving here, there are times and I sell lots, and then days I don't sell anything. But regardless, this is not breaking anyone's servers economy, this is legit work I've been doing for years.
i have heard of this being a thing but not actually seen any solid proof other than a "trust me bro" argument and havnt personally tested, so if that is the case then yea just stick to the pots
@@Primalliquid92 More specifically its +5 for legendary nodes and +2 for normal nodes(so your wasting a lot there going higher). We in Teamcraft/The Balance have extensively tested it the last few expansions if you had any questions. But its easy enough to test yourself, just have 2 sets one with say +11 and one with +5 and smack some nodes. But it can also be backed up to an extent from "クラフターとギャザラーをゼロから極める ファイナルファンタジーXIV 公式エンジニア＆サバイバルマニュアル" which is an official book which can be purchased on the JP SE store if thats any more useful.
@@Primalliquid92 Its +5 for Legendary nodes and +2 for Normal nodes (Making it a huge waste to go further). Us at Teamcraft/The Balance have tested it extensively the last few expansions so feel free to ask any questions but its pretty easy to test. Its also confirmed in the official SE guide for DoH and DoL "クラフターとギャザラーをゼロから極める ファイナルファンタジーXIV 公式エンジニア＆サバイバルマニュアル" which can be purchased on the SE store if thats easier.
@@Primalliquid92 No 100% they changed how spiritbonding works, we are only getting 2% spiritbond per hit now I don't think anything changes when stacking the manuals and pots
People who post these vids are scamming you. Don’t be fooled!!! While you and thousands of others are using these methods to make gil, it helps guarantee he has little to no competition for what his real gil farming method is.
Nah, this isn't true, they can say all methods to make gil, and nothing will change, only the minority of people will do the things, people are lazy. There's no secret, craft, gather, flip, everyone knows what they need to do.
wrong, this is entirely what i do to make gil, hell you can see it in the stream clip, my sale history is litarally just flooded with crafting and gathering gear. some markets are impossible to crash and early expansion/patch gear is one of them. because people just dont have the patience to do it which means the only competition we have is others with our level of patience
nah this is literally it. if you want to make gil later in the expac however when the market for materia has slowed down you may want to switch to some housing items, submarine missions if possible, crafted primal weapons, and treasure maps, etc. everything else is what Primal laid out plus waiting for raid patches to sell food, pots, and gear.
What crafting macros are you using to get HQ lvl 100 gear and tools? I feel like I need to use at LEAST 2 HQ mats to get a HQ piece. Quick crafting mats kind of hampers your HQ mat return, you know? Do you have a way to make gear without using HQ mats? You're probably better off just crafting the HQ mats and selling them for more. It takes time, but by mass crafting you're missing out on profit and if you can't craft the gear without HQ mats then no one will buy the NQ mats. I am NOT getting 1% on every craft too. It's more like 1% every other craft. Do you need to be pentamelded? I am not melded, but using the same food. Pentamelding doesn't effect bond though, right?
So, I'm a bit confused. This is gonna sound like I'm calling you out and I promise I'm not, I'm trying to emulate this haha. Are you saying it took you only 6-8 hours to grind up: 4k Ra'Kaznar Ore 6k Magnesia Powder 1k Titanium Gold Ore 800 White Gold Ore 1k Raw Black Star 1k Truegold Ore 800 Truegold Sand 900 Acacia Logs 1k Acacia Bark 2k Claro Walnut Logs 2k Levinsilk 450 Gargantua Hides That's 20,950 things gathered in 8 hours? Seems impossibly quick to just go out and get these things yourself. Even assuming a 4x Gathering bonus on every node, with a perfect (3) Bountiful Harvest and Blessed Harvest 2 up on every node (impossible, but let's argue), you'd get 9 things per swing or 32 things per node. That's 655 Nodes to get 20950 things. It takes about 20 seconds per node clicking the buttons or a macro for them then another 10 seconds travel time to the next node. At 30 seconds from node to node, you're looking at almost 6 hours of work under perfect conditions. Under normal conditions you're getting far less per swing (2-3 at best), which drastically increases the time. Even with Revisit proc'ing every so often, I can't see anyone grinding up this amount of mats in less than 10-12 hours under normal conditions. Now, the Gargantua Hides you'd just buy with Bicolor Gemstones which you'd need about 1350 to do so, which would take about 80-90 minutes or so to grind up if you're Hunt Training (I've done this several times already myself it takes about an hour for 1k gems). So that reduces the time grinding nodes by a bit but the net time is increased because it wouldn't take an hour to farm 450 of anything even doing auto-gathering. Were you using your retainers to gather as well? That's a factor not considered in this analysis because I personally only have three haha.
so, the EW mats i already had and yes i had retainers gathering for me, 2 botanist and 2 miner, i also had a small stash of the materials already. also for more efficency dont use blessed harvest, only use bountiful. blessed is a waste of gp unless you have a 6 integrity node
@@Primalliquid92 Thank you for the tip! I likely wont be selling the gear because on my server that market has already been fully saturated and the undercutting is too fierce for my tastes. But other crafts are selling like hotcakes lol
@@R.Y.Z.N I deffo would not do this now for gil. This gil making guide was not timeless and was made obsolete upon launch of the Savage Tier Raids a few weeks ago. You can make quite a bit of gil just grinding up large amounts of mats and selling them, sure, but expecting millions per day on these mats is a bit much at this point.
@@DeathWater824 nah I completely get that, its more of a side hustle since I spend most of the day making master crafts anyway. For example I took your list and divided it all by 4. A few hours a day and it gives me a couple mil, as someone whose giga poor rn its helped with climbing me out of bankruptcy lmao (plus the materia from spiritbonding is still very nice)
Hello, I have 90m gil. My friend who quit the game years ago gave it to me. fishing 100 harvest and miner 50-65, I'm thinking of making them 100 lvl. But I didn't do any crafting. Which crafts should I do first or where should I start?
You can just craft collectables and trade scripts for materia Instead of gathering and crafting items to sell. Also spiritbond potions when doing FATES too. Since you level sync to the FATE level, you always get maximum spirit bond.
I almost wonder if it's worth holding onto the vouchers for a bit. They're going to be a lot harder to farm in a few weeks when they reduce the number of instances!
too bad the crafting gear sells like dogshit in chaos lol it took me days to sell a couple of pieces. on phantom they sell like 3-5 per day and the prices dropped hard. same goes for the current food. the only thing worth selling here are raw mats and crafted mats + the materia but getting even close to 50mil is a crazy amount of work currently
Probably a little late. I sold like 50mil in crafter/gatherer gear (no tools) in the second week on Ragnarok with only like 2-3 hours of daily crafting/gathering. And like 10mil from just HQ quick synth Mats which I didnt need for crafting but sold for like 10-15k a piece. Did it a little less extreme compared to Endwalker release, instead I flipped Materia for like 200mil. Maybe Phantom doesnt have as many crafters/gatherers or a lot more selfsustaining people.
im currently at work for the next 12 hours, ill have to post stats later when i get back, they're not perfect though as i only bothered with Grade 9s and 10s
@@Primalliquid92 the absurd amount of inventory you have to craft + the insane mb inflation would make this difficult for those of us with a few lousy million the economy on primal is Really Bad
@@headmeat9568 you can get all the materia for free. you can literally do all of this for free. It just takes a lotof time and effort. This isn't for lazy people
all the materia is grade 9/10 which is peanuts right now, heck you can even do this with script gear, as for "the absurd inventory" you mean everything that is totally FREE to gather?
Probably not as valid. Most of those mats were used to make the base level 100 gear for Crafters and Gatherers, which, I'd bet that market has been entirely saturated at this point on most servers. You could make gil mass-gathering mats, but not nearly at the same rate prior to Savage Tier coming out. You're prolly better off grinding up Timed and Ephemeral Nodes (for reduction) and Aesthetics for crafting mats.
nooo my voucher money method has been exposed to a greater audience! this will affect my income by a barely noticeable amount, since not that many extra people playing on my world will be doing fates! i will never financially recover from the loss of 10 gil per voucher ;_;
LOL, ok firstly, i always undercut by 1 gil, i did simple easy numbers for this video to get a few items listed to show the prices on average. did you not notice what my prices were for the original items that i already had listed? and maybe you didnt pay attention to when i said in the video "im not going to list these at 1 gil below just yet, ill come back after i finish recording to correct them later" The real problem with marketboard prices are those who use plugins to automate undercutting, or do you think its just a magical conincidence the day all the 3rd party stuff came back online is the day prices dropped to 1/4 what they were?
@@Primalliquid92 yup. I missed that. And I agree. The third party auto undercutters are part of it. Also the people who get upset that they are being undercut so they undercut by alot, when they themselves undercut to get in the market in the first place.
@@dysin_9689 If I am undercutting by a lot, that item is prolly brought in by my retainer so I could care less about it's value...I just want the gil and I want it /now/. If you think it is so much lower than it should be...buy it and relist it. I get my money, you get your money. Both are happy.
thats not how the market works though, by doing that your just gonna trigger everybody to undercut you, then you undercut massively again, everybody else still undercuts you and now the item is worthless
@@Primalliquid92 trust me I know. I have talked with someone in Discord that will do just that. Wouldn't listen to reason or that they had to undercut to get into the market in the fist place. But they were happy to tank the market if it meant that whoever undercut them wouldn't be able to make gil. "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" so to speak.
any mmo has rmt. but ffixiv isnt really pay2win in a sense you get super powerful to beat other players in 1x1 or guild x guild. You need gil to do other stuff. But people buy gil too with usd.
You can.. but the dev team in this mmo are quite aggressive about cheaters and regularly post the accounts they permanently ban or suspend. This week was roughly 1,200 accounts that were banned, and that's not including all the other accounts found doing bot activities that were banned as well.
Gathering materials and selling them : 90% of the income
Crafting : spending millions on melds only for a small margin of added value, which could have been better spent gathering more and selling the extra mats.
all my melds are grade 9/10 which were farmed myself last expansion. top end crafters never buy materia because we have insanely huge collections of it
You can use the orange script gear and food to craft everything HQ with NQ mats
Amazing gil farm methods!
1: Gather mats and craft
2: Sell mats and crafted items
3: Profit😎
bulletproof since ARR
I am in a small server and I have been using this method, but because it is slow moving here, there are times and I sell lots, and then days I don't sell anything. But regardless, this is not breaking anyone's servers economy, this is legit work I've been doing for years.
Spiritbond gain for DoL is capped at +5, so anything beyond the superior potion is wasted when gathering.
i have heard of this being a thing but not actually seen any solid proof other than a "trust me bro" argument and havnt personally tested, so if that is the case then yea just stick to the pots
@@Primalliquid92 More specifically its +5 for legendary nodes and +2 for normal nodes(so your wasting a lot there going higher). We in Teamcraft/The Balance have extensively tested it the last few expansions if you had any questions. But its easy enough to test yourself, just have 2 sets one with say +11 and one with +5 and smack some nodes.
But it can also be backed up to an extent from "クラフターとギャザラーをゼロから極める ファイナルファンタジーXIV 公式エンジニア＆サバイバルマニュアル" which is an official book which can be purchased on the JP SE store if thats any more useful.
@@Primalliquid92 Its +5 for Legendary nodes and +2 for Normal nodes (Making it a huge waste to go further). Us at Teamcraft/The Balance have tested it extensively the last few expansions so feel free to ask any questions but its pretty easy to test.
Its also confirmed in the official SE guide for DoH and DoL "クラフターとギャザラーをゼロから極める ファイナルファンタジーXIV 公式エンジニア＆サバイバルマニュアル" which can be purchased on the SE store if thats easier.
thats fair enough then, i very rarely check the balance now outside of raid bis
@@Primalliquid92 No 100% they changed how spiritbonding works, we are only getting 2% spiritbond per hit now I don't think anything changes when stacking the manuals and pots
I made about 4mil just selling the msq and side quest gear rewards too so there is that as well
People who post these vids are scamming you. Don’t be fooled!!! While you and thousands of others are using these methods to make gil, it helps guarantee he has little to no competition for what his real gil farming method is.
Nah, this isn't true, they can say all methods to make gil, and nothing will change, only the minority of people will do the things, people are lazy.
There's no secret, craft, gather, flip, everyone knows what they need to do.
wrong, this is entirely what i do to make gil, hell you can see it in the stream clip, my sale history is litarally just flooded with crafting and gathering gear. some markets are impossible to crash and early expansion/patch gear is one of them. because people just dont have the patience to do it which means the only competition we have is others with our level of patience
nah this is literally it. if you want to make gil later in the expac however when the market for materia has slowed down you may want to switch to some housing items, submarine missions if possible, crafted primal weapons, and treasure maps, etc. everything else is what Primal laid out plus waiting for raid patches to sell food, pots, and gear.
What crafting macros are you using to get HQ lvl 100 gear and tools? I feel like I need to use at LEAST 2 HQ mats to get a HQ piece. Quick crafting mats kind of hampers your HQ mat return, you know? Do you have a way to make gear without using HQ mats?
You're probably better off just crafting the HQ mats and selling them for more. It takes time, but by mass crafting you're missing out on profit and if you can't craft the gear without HQ mats then no one will buy the NQ mats.
I am NOT getting 1% on every craft too. It's more like 1% every other craft. Do you need to be pentamelded? I am not melded, but using the same food. Pentamelding doesn't effect bond though, right?
Pentamelding does make the spirit bond go faster.
So, I'm a bit confused. This is gonna sound like I'm calling you out and I promise I'm not, I'm trying to emulate this haha. Are you saying it took you only 6-8 hours to grind up:
4k Ra'Kaznar Ore
6k Magnesia Powder
1k Titanium Gold Ore
800 White Gold Ore
1k Raw Black Star
1k Truegold Ore
800 Truegold Sand
900 Acacia Logs
1k Acacia Bark
2k Claro Walnut Logs
2k Levinsilk
450 Gargantua Hides
That's 20,950 things gathered in 8 hours? Seems impossibly quick to just go out and get these things yourself.
Even assuming a 4x Gathering bonus on every node, with a perfect (3) Bountiful Harvest and Blessed Harvest 2 up on every node (impossible, but let's argue), you'd get 9 things per swing or 32 things per node. That's 655 Nodes to get 20950 things. It takes about 20 seconds per node clicking the buttons or a macro for them then another 10 seconds travel time to the next node. At 30 seconds from node to node, you're looking at almost 6 hours of work under perfect conditions. Under normal conditions you're getting far less per swing (2-3 at best), which drastically increases the time. Even with Revisit proc'ing every so often, I can't see anyone grinding up this amount of mats in less than 10-12 hours under normal conditions.
Now, the Gargantua Hides you'd just buy with Bicolor Gemstones which you'd need about 1350 to do so, which would take about 80-90 minutes or so to grind up if you're Hunt Training (I've done this several times already myself it takes about an hour for 1k gems). So that reduces the time grinding nodes by a bit but the net time is increased because it wouldn't take an hour to farm 450 of anything even doing auto-gathering.
Were you using your retainers to gather as well? That's a factor not considered in this analysis because I personally only have three haha.
so, the EW mats i already had and yes i had retainers gathering for me, 2 botanist and 2 miner, i also had a small stash of the materials already. also for more efficency dont use blessed harvest, only use bountiful. blessed is a waste of gp unless you have a 6 integrity node
@@Primalliquid92 Thank you for the tip! I likely wont be selling the gear because on my server that market has already been fully saturated and the undercutting is too fierce for my tastes.
But other crafts are selling like hotcakes lol
dude ty so much for a list of mats, I don't blame primal for not listing them coz its probably quite tedious, but damn huge thanks :)
@@R.Y.Z.N I deffo would not do this now for gil. This gil making guide was not timeless and was made obsolete upon launch of the Savage Tier Raids a few weeks ago.
You can make quite a bit of gil just grinding up large amounts of mats and selling them, sure, but expecting millions per day on these mats is a bit much at this point.
@@DeathWater824 nah I completely get that, its more of a side hustle since I spend most of the day making master crafts anyway. For example I took your list and divided it all by 4. A few hours a day and it gives me a couple mil, as someone whose giga poor rn its helped with climbing me out of bankruptcy lmao (plus the materia from spiritbonding is still very nice)
Will have to come back to this when I actually get through the game, thanks to moving Im still not done. Which is way weird for me
You'll want to be quick as this profitability doesn't last long just like with the previous expansion.
Hello, I have 90m gil. My friend who quit the game years ago gave it to me. fishing 100 harvest and miner 50-65, I'm thinking of making them 100 lvl. But I didn't do any crafting. Which crafts should I do first or where should I start?
First of all gatherers at 100
Me: 😭
you can still do method 2!
@Primalliquid92 will try this weekend after the raid story I'll work on maxing zones all at rank 2 right now
Unfortunately im on a low pop server and people just arent buying very frequently. Supply far outpaces demand. It's a shame.
Move servers?
Ah, a fellow dynamis player I see! Slow sales here too but it’s fun still. We not
Meant to be rich
Im too lazy to get gil. Ill just stick with my 30k gil
You can just craft collectables and trade scripts for materia Instead of gathering and crafting items to sell.
Also spiritbond potions when doing FATES too. Since you level sync to the FATE level, you always get maximum spirit bond.
how do you make your hud smaller? like the spells and all. I also play controller and its a pain on how clogged my screen is
My boy Primal! How did you like the Exs?
little to easy but thats to be expected for the first 2
Hard part is getting everything pentamelded first which is the hardest most expensive part.
just craft and extract materia, i melded with simply grade 9s and 10s which i farmed myself last expansion
Great Tips! Can you share the melds and gear you were using?
I gave away about 50 crafting sets and 50 gathering sets. Lvl 100 HQ.
I almost wonder if it's worth holding onto the vouchers for a bit. They're going to be a lot harder to farm in a few weeks when they reduce the number of instances!
nah i wouldnt bother, sure the instances will dry up, but also not as many people doing fates so you can still solo them super fast
too bad the crafting gear sells like dogshit in chaos lol it took me days to sell a couple of pieces. on phantom they sell like 3-5 per day and the prices dropped hard. same goes for the current food. the only thing worth selling here are raw mats and crafted mats + the materia but getting even close to 50mil is a crazy amount of work currently
chaos has more raiders in general though so food/pots and the raid gear coming in 2 weeks should do alot better there
Probably a little late. I sold like 50mil in crafter/gatherer gear (no tools) in the second week on Ragnarok with only like 2-3 hours of daily crafting/gathering. And like 10mil from just HQ quick synth Mats which I didnt need for crafting but sold for like 10-15k a piece. Did it a little less extreme compared to Endwalker release, instead I flipped Materia for like 200mil.
Maybe Phantom doesnt have as many crafters/gatherers or a lot more selfsustaining people.
what melds do you use on your crafter set?
im currently at work for the next 12 hours, ill have to post stats later when i get back, they're not perfect though as i only bothered with Grade 9s and 10s
@@Primalliquid92 thank you!
so this is one of those things you need to already be rich to do
what? no? what makes you say that, everything i tell you to do in this video costs absolutely nothing
@@Primalliquid92 the absurd amount of inventory you have to craft + the insane mb inflation would make this difficult for those of us with a few lousy million the economy on primal is Really Bad
that n the expensive materia in your pentamelded gear
@@headmeat9568 you can get all the materia for free. you can literally do all of this for free. It just takes a lotof time and effort. This isn't for lazy people
all the materia is grade 9/10 which is peanuts right now, heck you can even do this with script gear, as for "the absurd inventory" you mean everything that is totally FREE to gather?
is this still valid post savage patch day?
Probably not as valid. Most of those mats were used to make the base level 100 gear for Crafters and Gatherers, which, I'd bet that market has been entirely saturated at this point on most servers.
You could make gil mass-gathering mats, but not nearly at the same rate prior to Savage Tier coming out. You're prolly better off grinding up Timed and Ephemeral Nodes (for reduction) and Aesthetics for crafting mats.
i think if the game make all these nonscence to make the player farm and farm gil....then it's call fail
yo stop hiding yo gil with your logo 👀
no!
@@Primalliquid92 :(
How much u normally undercut by
1 gil, just did some undercuts to get the basic prices on screen quickly
your server must be different, the gears are a huge waste of time for me. Materia is worth the time though.
define waste of time? low sale volume or just low prices?
Too bad the spiritbond cap for DoL is only +2
nooo my voucher money method has been exposed to a greater audience! this will affect my income by a barely noticeable amount, since not that many extra people playing on my world will be doing fates!
i will never financially recover from the loss of 10 gil per voucher ;_;
i cant stand seeing you post with under-cutting by more than 4 gil...... u are part of the reason prices get screwed up.
LOL, ok firstly, i always undercut by 1 gil, i did simple easy numbers for this video to get a few items listed to show the prices on average. did you not notice what my prices were for the original items that i already had listed? and maybe you didnt pay attention to when i said in the video "im not going to list these at 1 gil below just yet, ill come back after i finish recording to correct them later"
The real problem with marketboard prices are those who use plugins to automate undercutting, or do you think its just a magical conincidence the day all the 3rd party stuff came back online is the day prices dropped to 1/4 what they were?
@@Primalliquid92 yup. I missed that. And I agree. The third party auto undercutters are part of it. Also the people who get upset that they are being undercut so they undercut by alot, when they themselves undercut to get in the market in the first place.
@@dysin_9689 If I am undercutting by a lot, that item is prolly brought in by my retainer so I could care less about it's value...I just want the gil and I want it /now/. If you think it is so much lower than it should be...buy it and relist it. I get my money, you get your money. Both are happy.
thats not how the market works though, by doing that your just gonna trigger everybody to undercut you, then you undercut massively again, everybody else still undercuts you and now the item is worthless
@@Primalliquid92 trust me I know. I have talked with someone in Discord that will do just that. Wouldn't listen to reason or that they had to undercut to get into the market in the fist place. But they were happy to tank the market if it meant that whoever undercut them wouldn't be able to make gil. "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" so to speak.
😎👍👍
Pretty sure this is one of those mmos you can trade to earn real $ so this probably might ruin some people's days 😂😅
any mmo has rmt. but ffixiv isnt really pay2win in a sense you get super powerful to beat other players in 1x1 or guild x guild. You need gil to do other stuff. But people buy gil too with usd.
You can.. but the dev team in this mmo are quite aggressive about cheaters and regularly post the accounts they permanently ban or suspend. This week was roughly 1,200 accounts that were banned, and that's not including all the other accounts found doing bot activities that were banned as well.