Kudos on yet another amazing cymbal and super enjoyable video. I knew Gary in the early 90's, studying with him and even roomed together for a bit. Great dude as you may know and really an awesome teacher as well. Anyway, he once told me about a time he went to the Zildjian warehouse in LA to try out some rides and while he was there, a rock drummer came in to swap out a big K crash that had lost its mojo. Recognizing that it was a big thin EAK crash that had been bashed to the point that it dried out, Gary asked if he could try it and it indeed sounded amazing as a jazz ride. I have no idea if this is the cymbal on that Bob Berg album but have been wanting to ask him for awhile as that is such an ideal ride to my ears. In my lessons back then he'd make my junker MIJ kit sound incredible so his touch and ability also likely helps anything he plays sound really good. Btw, I'm the guy that reached out a month or so ago to chat about using a gong mallet to dry out some cymbals with bad frequency build up and this story he told me so long ago was the inspiration to try that out.
Just have to say that you are an interesting, articulate craftsman and your descriptions of your work are fantastic. The end products are beautiful instruments. Wow. Thanks.
Bro, Gary Novak is a swinging freight train and he is an all-around drummer not only jazz drummer. On "Another Standard" he is taking no prisoners as all of the guys. Great video! Keep the good work going⚾
Really appreciate the insight. Have you ever played an Istanbul Agop signature ride? They seem kind of unique to me, because are insanely light, but you can really dig into them and still maintain a clear stick sounds. However, it weirdly kind of sounds like the stick sound is completely separate and not amplified/resonated by the cymbal. I noticed when you play really quietly on a 20”, the cymbal doesn’t activate at all, and you get an ‘icepick’ kind of sound. Would love to know the cymbalscience behind all that😁
I have. I wouldn't say that those cymbals have strong stick at all dynamics, though. They have a dryness due to the unlathed crust that's on them, but they are insanely hit or miss with the "tension balance". The metal isn't usually hammered in a way that causes a cohesive sound. This is why I'd say that they don't resonate or project like you're talking about.
Great cymbal... airy, breathy, darkness, stick definition, controlled spread, nice bell, crashable...what more could one want. Another success, well done, Timothy.
You created another gem!.........These Tributarys you're making have so much personality. Your process of heavy hammering and burnishing is fine alchemy!. Gary's a legend and lucky to have one of your cymbals.
Timothy, another terrific and insightful video. This smokey articulate crashable cymbal sounds terrific. How is the stick feel…does it need more tightening to rebound the stick?
Wow! This cymbal sounds great, I was expecting trashier and more complex from the title, but it sounds like nice tone and stick definition with blended support underneath. Very controllable, seems ideal for low volume situations. Then the blowaway that it was modeled after Gary Novak's ride on No Trouble. This Bob Berg CD has been in constant listening rotation for nearly a year. Gary's cymbal sound and touch has been a focus on other CD's: Joe Locke/Four Walls of Freedom and Alan Holdsworth/Sixteen Men of Tain. Thanks for a great video!
Kudos on yet another amazing cymbal and super enjoyable video. I knew Gary in the early 90's, studying with him and even roomed together for a bit. Great dude as you may know and really an awesome teacher as well. Anyway, he once told me about a time he went to the Zildjian warehouse in LA to try out some rides and while he was there, a rock drummer came in to swap out a big K crash that had lost its mojo. Recognizing that it was a big thin EAK crash that had been bashed to the point that it dried out, Gary asked if he could try it and it indeed sounded amazing as a jazz ride. I have no idea if this is the cymbal on that Bob Berg album but have been wanting to ask him for awhile as that is such an ideal ride to my ears. In my lessons back then he'd make my junker MIJ kit sound incredible so his touch and ability also likely helps anything he plays sound really good. Btw, I'm the guy that reached out a month or so ago to chat about using a gong mallet to dry out some cymbals with bad frequency build up and this story he told me so long ago was the inspiration to try that out.
Ah very cool! That's awesome you know Gary!
Love how the dark crash sounds dissipates quickly and the stick definition never gets lost.
I had leave my house for air😊excellent job!
Wow! That is the definition of smoky! That cymbal is smoldering!
Just have to say that you are an interesting, articulate craftsman and your descriptions of your work are fantastic. The end products are beautiful instruments. Wow. Thanks.
Thank you! That means a alot.
This is one of my favorite cymbals I've ever heard you make!
Thanks!
Tim, could you recreate this again. It this something that is just a one of a kind or could you get close. It has a nice dynamic range.
KILLER sound man! So versatile, beautiful playing.
I really enjoy watching your videos because I am fascinated by knowledge, every form of knowledge, and I admire the journey you are taking.
Thanks!
Bro, Gary Novak is a swinging freight train and he is an all-around drummer not only jazz drummer. On "Another Standard" he is taking no prisoners as all of the guys. Great video! Keep the good work going⚾
Sounds fantastic!!
Damn!!!!
Really appreciate the insight. Have you ever played an Istanbul Agop signature ride? They seem kind of unique to me, because are insanely light, but you can really dig into them and still maintain a clear stick sounds. However, it weirdly kind of sounds like the stick sound is completely separate and not amplified/resonated by the cymbal. I noticed when you play really quietly on a 20”, the cymbal doesn’t activate at all, and you get an ‘icepick’ kind of sound. Would love to know the cymbalscience behind all that😁
I have. I wouldn't say that those cymbals have strong stick at all dynamics, though. They have a dryness due to the unlathed crust that's on them, but they are insanely hit or miss with the "tension balance". The metal isn't usually hammered in a way that causes a cohesive sound. This is why I'd say that they don't resonate or project like you're talking about.
Love it
The distance between the stick and the wash of the cymbal Gary played really says it’s old to me.
Yep, I agree.
It immediately reminded me of Joe Chambers's ride sound, e.g. on "Herzog" ruclips.net/video/c6P4ckoHqlY/видео.htmlsi=khxwP93xbXoZZRjz
Yes!
Make more of those. Yikes that is gold.
I love it, great sound , killer another masterpiece
I think you nailed it !!!!! Amazing work…. Bravo
Nailed it again Tim. Sounds fantastic!
Stunning!!!
Great cymbal... airy, breathy, darkness, stick definition, controlled spread, nice bell, crashable...what more could one want. Another success, well done, Timothy.
Thanks!
You created another gem!.........These Tributarys you're making have so much personality. Your process of heavy hammering and burnishing is fine alchemy!. Gary's a legend and lucky to have one of your cymbals.
Glad you like it!
This is so interesting. What an awesome trade. Sounds great. What do we know about the actual cymbal Gary used? Zildjian?
Probably a Vintage K of some kind.
Love your work. And also happy you support my friend Netanel and his amazing cymbals too ; ]
He's great!
Timothy, another terrific and insightful video. This smokey articulate crashable cymbal sounds terrific. How is the stick feel…does it need more tightening to rebound the stick?
I personally don't think so. It's a little "loose", stiffness wise, but it doesn't hinder the bounce in my opinion.
This ride checks all the boxes, dark wash, stick articulation, I like the bell tone, and sounds even more mellow with the rivets 👍
Smokey! lol
😮😮😮🎉❤🎉❤😢🔥🔥🔥🔥👌👏👏👏👏👏
Your descriptions about profile versus weight and how those affect sound *are* slowly working into my consciousness! Haha
haha YES!
Wow! This cymbal sounds great, I was expecting trashier and more complex from the title, but it sounds like nice tone and stick definition with blended support underneath. Very controllable, seems ideal for low volume situations. Then the blowaway that it was modeled after Gary Novak's ride on No Trouble. This Bob Berg CD has been in constant listening rotation for nearly a year. Gary's cymbal sound and touch has been a focus on other CD's: Joe Locke/Four Walls of Freedom and Alan Holdsworth/Sixteen Men of Tain. Thanks for a great video!
He's such a legend!