Spin Recovery Training in a Cessna 172
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2021
- In this video I partner with Fly Goodyear to embark on a Spin Training Adventure. I was a little nervous at first and wondered if I would throw up. I'd seen some guys on RUclips looking like they're in a death spiral, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be and honestly, you don't want to let it get to that point anyways in a real life situation.
Anyways, come along as I go through some ground training and practice a few spins to see what they're like. It was a great experience and I highly recommend you guys do it to.
NOTE: All planes spin differently. The 172 is incredibly stable and a pain to get to fully develop. We calculated and maintained weight and balance to insure we were in the utility category for this aircraft.
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We got the 172 to spin all the time, my instructor got tired of me wanting to spin all the time. Told me he had never had a student that like it as much as I did. Tons of fun.
LOL. Thats great!
Smart play going with lunch after instead of before the flight
Spin North, Spin South, Spin until lunch comes back out your mouth!
LOL. I did eat on my way there. And had a Red Bull, so I'd have my own pair of wings.
@@flywiththeguys It's weird, I found I handled spins better with food in the stomach.
My school requires students to do one flight with the owner (who is a former test pilot) in a Champ to demonstrate no kidding fully-developed spins and other things like how the "base-to-final" stall/spin happens, I'm super happy to have that experience.
That is awesome. Love that he does that!
When I was a flight student, there was a guy named William who never stopped talking about spins - couldn't wait for the day etc. One day I saw the staff with buckets and mops and long faces and when I enquired what had happened, it turned out to be William who had thrown up during the session on spins! He had been afraid of them and that was why he had talked so much about them.
Nice. I was a little nervus, but Now I could care less. They're kinda fun. =)
Spins are half of what got me to go on a hiatus for flight training. I still have a fear of them, and I have a somewhat illogical fear of them anytime I'm a passenger on an airliner. Videos that make them seem like fun, make the airplane seem extra stable, and others that go into profound detail to explain them are helpful. Hopefully I can get past this and resume flight training.
@Marc Poirier - Spin training, with a qualified instructor, is a great way to build confidence and understanding about spins. I would offer this bit of advise. (You may have already done this. If so, do it again to reinforce your understanding.) Take you airplane to a safe altitude, at least 1,500 AGL, or more. Trim the plane for hands-off, straight and level flight. Pitch the airplane up, to a nose high attitude, and your airspeed will decrease. Then, just release the control wheel. What will happen is the nose will pitch down the approximate number of degrees that it had been pitched up to. As the airplane begins to increase its airspeed the wings will generate more lift and the nose will again begin to rise. However, this time the nose will not pitch up to the same angle as the first time. As the airspeed begins to decrease, the nose will again begin to fall. And as with the second pitch-up, the nose will not fall down nearly as far. Continue to fly hands-off and allow the plane to continue oscillating. Each oscillation will be less and less in magnitude. This a result of the positive dynamic stability that is built into the plane and will show you that in the event of a stall all you have to do is let go of the control wheel and the airplane will automatically return to the steady state of flight it was in just prior to the stall (the straight and level attitude and the trimmed airspeed). Now all of the above is not meant to be done DURING a spin, only during stalls. In a spin, you definitely have to provide the control inputs that you have been taught to be able to recover from a spin.
They are intimidating at first. The idea is to never get into one, which is how the training in the US shifted. I was hammered on airspeed when doing approaches. But, I get where your coming from. Even I was nervous attempting these, but I’m glad I finally did it. People also have a fear of stalls. After doing some they realize it’s not that bad. I hope you can get past this too.m though. Granted I’m not the best motivational speaker.
@@flywiththeguys A lot of people avoid stall and spin training and hope they can get through their training with minimal work in these areas when it should be their main focus. This is why we get into stalls usually on the third or fourth lesson. Stalls ,spins and recovering from unusual attitudes is vital. We stall when we land all the time. A student gets proficient in these areas and that’s when they have become pilots, the rest is pretty easy. A lot of pilots take off fly to 500 feet and turn the auto pilot on. You’ll never be a really good pilot doing that, hand fly as much as possible I say, and that’s in any plane.
Look I’m not being condescending I realize you guys probably know this stuff I’m just reiterating.
✨😜🤘✨Enjoy and be safe.
Another great video Carl. Your enthusiasm for aviation is contagious in all the best ways. Spin training is for pilots who aspire to be a cut above. Very worthwhile and BTW, John seems like a great instructor.
Thanks Steve! Lots more videos like this coming. Need to talk with Dave again. 😂 And yes, John is a good instructor.
Looks like fun.
I enter a new different spin every 5 seconds.
Multiple big O's are better than a single big O.
Nice video. I received my PPL at Goodyear, many years ago. I loved doing spins over the desert 😊
That is awesome!
That was awesome! I think spin training is super useful! Always handy to have that safety training.
Thanks Scott!
I learned spins in a C150 40 years ago as part of my private pilot training. I found them to be rather calming and not violent at all. You could actually count the turns.
Yep! The cessnas do a good job at making them less impactful than they could be.
Awesome. Glad you were able to get some good info and an excellent experience with this school.
We’re glad to have you stop by anytime
Thanks again! We should do more!
Great job Carl!
Thanks Clayton!
Great one and your explanation filled my last questions about spins. I really don't like the idea of getting into a full spin.
I want to. The 172 is really stable and is really easy to recover from. I want to make sure I can do it no matter what.
@@flywiththeguys I've read the C172 is the best trainer and I like its forgiveness. You got this! Keep the blue side everywhere ;-)
Spins was a blast.
Outstanding informative video Sir 😇👌👍Cheers 🍻
Thanks 👍
Nice video Carl!
Thank you Dan! This one was a big undertaking and took 142GB on my hard drive. LOL
Honestly, this is the thing I'm most worried about for my CFI training. Worried I'm psyching myself out too much. Thanks for the videos.
It’s quite nerve racking at first but with a good CFI it makes it so much easier and fun. Don’t get to worked up about it.
Agree with John on this. It's going to me a little nerve racking at first, but then you'll be all like... PFFFT. Whatever.
Great information! Saw that you flew close by the ranch also! :-)
? was that your Bom on the plane?
What ranch? 😁 And yes, I was doing some testing with the BOM. It’s a great little product and I like connecting it to my iPad for a lot of reasons.
Trained in a 172, we did this at 5hours in! Loved it!
Awesome! I enjoyed it a bit too much I think.
Not many students learn in a 172, a 152 is cheaper. But if you want proper spin training use the Piper PA38, costs about the same as a C152 but the 152 is NOT cleared for deliberate spinning. The exception is the Reims built Aerobat version but they are rare in the USA.
Actually the C152 is approved for deliberate, repetitive, spinning. Under the maneuvering limits in the POH it says:
"This airplane is certificated in the utility category and is designed for limited aerobatic flight. In the
acquisition of various certificates such as commercial pilot, instrument pilot and flight instructor, certain maneuvers are required. All of these maneuvers are permitted in this airplane.
No aerobatic maneuvers are approved except those listed below:
MANEUVER MAXIMUM ENTRY SPEED*
Chandelles 95 knots
Lazy Eights 95 knots
Steep Turns 95 knots
Spins Use Slow Deceleration
Stalls Use Slow Deceleration"
Its actually why the 150/152 was so popular for training. The plane was always in the utility category, unlike the 172 where you have to do W/B magic to do deliberate spins.
The PA-38 was supposed to be the competitor to the 150/152, but it's stall and spin characteristics were a bit too touchy for most so it never caught on as a replacement.
You spin a 152 if you want but please do it flying solo and over a sparsely populated area.
Def look forward to this....Now you can fully hold the lack of regurgitation over SuperAero some more...because...why not. haha. Did you have some cool BOM readouts?
The readouts were cool. Need to line them up with the AH and see if they match, but I assume they will.
Hey, 293SP didn't have a G5 when I flew it! But that was back in 2014. Cool video!
Thanks! It was a good plane to fly. Well taken care of. Great bug smasher. LOL
Here in 🇨🇦 spins are part of PPL Training. They’re so fun haha! You either love or hate spins, no in-between.
I love them. Very fun, but could see if your not trained to get out of one how intense and overwhelming they can be, especially on base to final.
I used to go up with my brother-in-law in his C-150 and one day he asked if I’d like to see a spin or two. I thought why not and he showed me a few, lots of fun but I wasn’t as lucky as you and ended up opening the side window and adding a racing stripe on my side. 🤮
Still, was a lot of fun up till then.
Looking back( this was about 35 yrs ago) I wonder if it was something he should have been showing me but I’m glad I got to experience it.
LOL. The 150 is good for it. The whole plane is in the utility category.
Nice video and yes it should be required as it used to be. Should also be included in recurent training, every pilot should. Tks
Totally agree! Thanks for watching.
Nice! I have a feeling I'll get to do this with John at some point in the near future.
You should! =)
Yep. CSEL is on the way for Shad
I'm surprised.. Here in the UK, stall/spin training is a mandatory part of the PPL syllabus.
I absolutely adored spins, I'm a bit of an adrenaline junky so enjoyed the kick out of whizzing the airplane upside down and all round haha
Aparently it used to be part of private training in the US. I want to say in the early 90's the FAA was seeing too many spin related accidents and removed it, requiring it only for CFIs. BUT, I'm on the "it should be required for private" train. It should totally be a thing here.
In the US the focus has shifted greatly to spin avoidance. I won't speculate on which is the better/safer approach, but I see merits to both
@@flywiththeguys That could be related to a complacency or Pilots then doing spins etc after learning and getting themselves into difficulty.
Across the pond here we're taught Spinning/stalls should be avoided at all costs unless adequately trianed in aerobatics post-PPL... but should you get stuck, here's how to fix it.
Love it..
P.A.R.E. Oh, and the coffee is on me in 2 weeks
Sounds fancy! It's going to be great.
During my training we were practicing stalls, and my instructor always told "don't ever put the plane into spun". I asked him why it so dangerous? He said "spin training is not necessary part of private pilot education, but I will show you"
We lost 500 or even more feet of altitude durig the recovery, and he said "now imagine that thiss happened during takeoff or landing"...
It's better to see one time then listen hundreds of time.
Yes. the US teaches spin avoidance, which is why airspeed is such a big focus on approaches and take offs.
You applied right rudder to stop it.
Did you have to do the other things you mentioned ie Idle and all? ...or was right rudder enough?
Still needed to do the rest for the recovery, but just the rudder should stop the spin itself.
At 3:53 it's not spinning because the elevator was returned almost to neutral.
At 4:04 you see the same thing.
A spin is a stalled maneuver. If you don't keep it stalled, it won't spin.
At 4:23 and 4:25 you can see the elevator all the way up. At 4:27 you can see the yoke all the way back against the stop, and the instant it moves forward, the spin is over.
If you read the Cessna book on spin characteristics, you'll see that the 172 is really hard to spin with a forward CG, which of course you'll have with the whole back of the plane empty.
A 172 is really not a good platform for teaching spins.
Every time I see one of these spin recovery videos they always fail to identify the spin direction with the turn and balance indicator, you got it right by not stepping on the ball, but get used to saying looking at the T"B indicator left or right wing down which in cloud will save your life.
Yep. Good training technique .
Try spin recovery in a Decathlon. It is so much fun! If you like aerobatics or inversion recovery, the Decathlon is GREAT!
Already in the works.
What's your opinion on going out & doing spins just for fun? I'm beginning CFI training & know we'll be spinning soon, and I've spun before & enjoy it. I often hear "don't go & spin solo for no reason" but I'm like "why not?" Well, I'm an A&P & know tumbled gyros can be a pain, but beyond that, if I know how to recover, what's the harm? And, wash the windshield before flight.
I KNOW RIGHT!? Thought nothing of it until I was editing.
Have you ever done this in a non-V tail beech bonanza. It's not fun at all.
yea you posted a video one time 11 reasons why Pilot Quit, while watching that video i said i wouldnt never quit i love flying, then i seen this video and If my flight instructor flip us over in any direction, im ordering him to bring us down or im jumping out.
It's not as bad as you think. They do have to demonstrate an incipient spin I believe, but that should be towards the end of your training.
Hell NO! My 14 year old is learning to fly and was pumped to know she could try this on a lesson. I am still trying to get over letting her solo at 16!
I know the feeling. BUT, it's not as bad as you may think. Also, think of it this way, what if she gets into one and doesn't know how to get out of it? The training is worth it IMO.
I agree with Carl. After this I could see how much more confident he was post maneuvers. You should sit back seat with your kiddo to soak up what they are learning.
@@flywiththeguys I agree that it is good to have knowledge. I know I would toss my cookies!
OMG probably should have taken a minute to clean that window >.
LOL. It didn't seem bad when we were flying, camera sure made it seem worse.
Man, compared to what I normally fly the C-172 doesn't feel like it has enough rudder to really spin it.
It's just too stable. The smaller 150 will do it easy, all day.
I live in Gilbert Arizona and really want to get my license. I would love to come fly with you and willing to pay the fuel.
Use your money to buy your own fuel and go get your licence. The only person stopping you is yourself!
Get out there and go do it, make sacrifices if you really want it!
I’m also in Gilbert. I live at Agritopia
@@ihelpsed8em
Nice I’m in Morrison Ranch at Higley Groves
@@ihelpsed8em Are you a instructor?
@@Review-This yes
How many times has the instructor unintentionally fell into a spin
They usually don't. It's the students....
Trust me, you’re not a pilot yet son. 😂
Yea, I just play one on youtube.
@@flywiththeguys Herd Dat. 😂
My friend just died teaching a student spin training. Sucks.
I’m sorry to hear that. What plane was he in?
Lololol I got my private license on 2 9 3 sp in 2012 at buckeye flight school. I spilled soda in the cockpit durring zero gs. Sorry
Explains a lot actually....
@@flywiththeguys 😬
@@flywiththeguys can I use 10 seconds of 293sp wing view from this video to splice it into one of my old zero gs cockpit video. Please
@@dessertlocust Sure. Thanks for asking! I appreciate it.
@@flywiththeguys sweet!!! 🙏 thanks! I put your channel in video description
I love you videos. But looks like no one is watching them. :(
I know right!? Im going to keep making them though.
I hate to see the word “PARE” don’t memorize spin recovery just by memorizing things.
Suggestions?
Complaining without offering a solution is called “whining.”