I remember seeing this a while ago on here when you were at IBS I think. I'm so glad this was a successful product with a few good years on it now. Another scenario I think this would work good with is wiring. You could frame the floor it in such a way that there's a removable strip of sub flooring perfectly under a row or two of hard wood. Giving access into the joist space for electrical or even plumbing. Good for finished basements or the 2nd floor if attic access is limited.
Anyone else notice the floors seemed to be warping upwards already? Even in their glorious final product video shoot there, they had a good few mm’s of uneven boards. I wonder how bad it gets a year or two into use?
That was an awesome video! It is the best of all worlds! It fixes so many things: no glue/nails, it snaps together anywhere in the field, refinishing is super easy and keeps your house usable, repair is easy, and it is the same cost as regular hardwood floors. I see this becoming a go to product. Very cool!
What about expansion/contraction in a house that does not have tight humidity control? Will there eventually be gaps between the boards on the ends where there isn't anything holding them together?
When the boards do warp because of humidity...do you think plastic strips will hold them straight better than nails ? Wood , in a sense, is a living thing...and these floors have been machined to an MDF standard...but that won't last.
@@markanthony3275 you're right, just another way manufacturers sell products to customers and leave installers out to dry when the warranties are questioned.
I want to know/see what you have to do when ripping a board to fit it against a wall at the end of the run, and/or odd sections of wall and how to align this floating floor. Rare to be able to use a full sized (width) board all the way across a room.
My furnace is in the crawlspace under the house. If it ever needed to be replaced or even substantially serviced with new parts, it would need to come up through the floor joists under the master bed, which means the floor would have to come up. This is the product I wanted before I knew it existed. I just did my house in click bamboo which was a huge compromise to the solid oak we wanted. I laid it so that only one room would have to be unclicked if we need to pull the furnace. This product would have let me just pull the area to get the furnace out. Wish I had seen this earlier.
LOL WTF? Why on earth wouldnt you have or add an access hatch like every other house in the world? Or have an access door from the outside of the house? Pretty serious thing to overlook....Even my 120+ year old stone house with a 3/4 basement has stairs down to access the mechanical systems
@@Dav3 I really appreciate your thoughtful and constructive feedback. You seem like a nice person. Wow, an access door, I never thought of that... 1st I didn't build the house. 2nd I'm on a 18" perimeter foundation not a basement. Outside the house on all sides but one, the ground is 6" below the top of the foundation. There's nothing to put a large door into. The house is in a city with no room to excavate a set of stairs. 3rd, the existing access door to the crawl space is about 12" high, meaning you can crawl in on your belly to maintain the unit, but you cant R&R an entire furnace. 4th, the furnace is directly under the center of the bedroom floor so an access hatch big enough to pull out a furnace unit would look crappy. 5. Either way, the subfloor would need to be removed. 6. Similar construction happens frequently when they put HVAC equip into an attic crawl space during framing. 7. If the heater does die and needs to be R&Rd, then we would spend a half-day and pull up the floor and subfloor (thus the click lock solid bamboo). I expect this to be at most a once every 20-year event. 8. I'm complimenting a product. If I needed your construction criticism I'ld have sent you a set of floorplans.
Heh! Isn't that ALWAYS the way? You go nuts looking for the best solution. Can't find it, and compromise with something that isn't QUITE what you want, but fits your criteria. THEN, after you get everything done, the better solution "magically" appears and you're kicking yourself! Personally I'm convinced this kinda stuff happens to me because I was a complete bastard in several, consecutive previous lifetimes....
These days the best option when a furnace dies is to replace it with heat pumps. I'd just disconnect the fuel and leave it where it is if it ever kicks the bucket. I just replaced my NG furnace with heat pumps and I'd never go back.
I love the concept and if money wasn’t a concern I’d definitely consider it, but like many of the other comments the price is just too high. Plus since the company’s only been around a few years there’s no “proof of longevity” in the plastic tracks, especially for spending $14+/sf on materials only. I’d need to see how it’s holding up after 10 years before dropping $30K to upgrade my house. I think materials/tax/shipping would need to be below $10/sf to be considered by me.
@Ab Ba thats the thing. For $14 dollars the quality is horrible. You can get amazing stuff for $10!!! $14 is crazy It looks like a $3 per sf product. Look in detail at joints. Look at the height difference. It looks bad.
@@firesurfer look closer. I have 12 years of experience as an installer. If I can tell from a heavily edited video then more so in person. I don't think homeowners are going to jump on installing it. Its still labor intensive
@@tscoffey1 Depending on the neighborhood ($1800 per month+), if you can get $200 per month out of the tenant for hardwood living areas instead of carpet for about 500 sqft, the floor pays itself off in 3 years or so. Then you can take minutes to repair it for less down time between tenants, and you can charge tenants to replace whole planks out of deposits versus $5 per sqft refinishing costs. That doesn't even include the write-off. If you choose hardwoods, choose us!
@@StellerFloors Should make a basic common red oak variety where the selection is less stringent that has a slight price cut because of it and use it as an economy option. I think it would be easier to push that one into the retail market or for folks on a tighter budget at a wider scale and really deliver some serious returns. Keep the rest for those who want specific colors and tones and species. I think this is an amazing flooring concept though and I hope it succeeds.
Looks great. The repair value IS huge. However nothing beats a job site finish. I wanted to see the edges and how they match up. How dependent are they on the slab? I have another way to make a floating floor that sits on a 3/4 plywood. The biggest drawback is that finished thickness is 1 1/2 but it is bulletproof- except for water.
Awesome book that gives you step-by-step photos ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTNB_zFBSnTo_O1PqfVUwgi7ityw0JlKt and directions to make every day project. I can see myself making a few of these projects and giving them as housewarming and holiday gifts!
I hope this video gets them more customers than they can handle! Hopefully they can go nationwide in a couple of years. If love to be able to provide the product to my customers here in Southern California.
Wow this is ingenious! can you imagine never having to stress to much about scratching the floor somewhere by accident? Just pull up the plank and replace it. But also you can pull up the floor and refinish it on site or in a garage board by board if you have to...
Yes, this is exactly why we love our floors! You can re-think your relationship with your floors from the ground up. Why get wire-brushed flooring and cover up the grain if you don't need to live with scratches? Let that magnificent grain shine :)
Matt, looks like a great product but if I wanted something other than a plain running bond type pattern? Do they have other options for example, installing borders, soldiered corners or herring bone patterned fields?
How much weight can that system withstand on a single point? Considering large appliances or a heavy bed on this flooring. Also a Pool table which can place about 250 lbs on a small 2-3 inch square space. Will these heavy weights cause buckling?
Good question and all of the loading goes through the clip on to the subfloor and it can handle a substantial amount of weight. That said, we haven't tested the max weight, but you can always add extra support under the planks if you're worried.
That is actually the very reason all those laminate "floating" floors come from Scandinavia. People there live somewhere for many years. They don't move frequently, but they also do not own their dwelling. They may improve it and remove the improvement if it is not physically connected to the structure. That would be floors and appliances. They can also install and remove kitchen cabinets that are hung on rails screwed to the wall. Think: IKEA. The cabinets go; the rail stays. And yes, they do take the floors with them when they leave. OTOH, the new tenant can pay the departing tenant for the depreciated value of the improvements if s/he wants to keep them. And that deal is outside the lease payment[s] and rental contract.
@@ricoludovici2825 sounds like the same thing we do in the Netherlands. Usually kitchens are part of the house though. So it will not be allowed to remove. When you have upgraded it yourself to a fancy one, and you are in a 'social housing' house the agency usually pays you a percentage of the depreciated value because you made the house worth more for them. Do mind that social housing over here does not necesarrily means lowest of the low quality. A large lot of them can go up to 750 euros of rent max a month. To put that in perspective a mortgage can be as low as 550.
@@VYR1985 In the US, anything you do your rental home is considered 'donated improvements'. Hence, most people will do nothing more than paint the walls of their apartment or house. And for that, they have to get the owner's permission and abide with his approved colors. Carpet is not moveable because it is nailed to the floor. In fact, you cannot remove or replace the existing carpet without the owner's permission. And if you do, your replacement carpet stays and becomes HIS/HER property. Kitchens always come finished with cabinets and appliances. You cannot change these out, even if you pay for them. Except in some places, like California, where the refrigerator belongs to the renter. And s/he will often just sell it to the next tenant for a nominal sum or leave it in place, abandoned so to speak. Or the tenant RENTS the fridge from the landlord or an appliance rental company. Also, Americans move much more frequently than Europeans, too. Average apartment tenancy is about 3 years. Purchased home would be 6 to 7 years residence on average. So those floating floors are for purchased homes.
@steveXracer My apologies, "replace" is the correct word but maintain is also a good word too. Instead of sanding and/or staining a section of hardwood, you can also do a single piece, making it easier to fix, instead of replacing.
He's so confident about his design, he wears it on his shirt. That's something I can get behind. If I need to get any flooring, this is what I'm doing.
There's a 1/32" lift under the plank from the clips (7 sheets of printer paper), so when you rip you can shim it or leave it to sit on the floor next to the wall/rubber gasket. We also supply water-based sealant so that you can touch up fresh cut ends and maintain the seal on all sides!
Installer: when you hard wood floor is about 2” close to the wall How you do to cut 2” and install properly the tracks or rails? Or you need a special tool like a router to make a profile on the piece of wood?
The wood floor in my old house in Philadelphia was about 4 inches thick, random planks. You'd go on the basement and look up, and there was the bottom of it. You could see a little daylight between the planks. Solid. No creaking.
Cool product, love the innovation. Seems like the bevel on the planks is larger than in nail down floors to compensate for any irregularities in manufacturing/install. I also see some proud edges and gapping in some of the planks. Any subfloor irregularities would amplify this. Not for me, but interesting product nonetheless.
Underfloor heat is the same as other hardwoods. We recommend hydronic and not electric and to keep temps below 80F. You can choose a different polyethylene that's clear if you want depending on your situation!
We always use 3/4" solids, but some folks have used hydronic heat for "low and slow" warming like is done under other kinds of solid hardwood (not the electric "fast and hot" warming like under tile). We also love the idea of routing grooves for cables and then easily moving them if you have to!
I noticed in the video the boards already seemed to have a mm warp, or popup, to them. Makes me wonder if the entire floor can be sanded or not? or if each board must be individually plained and then put back...
What will power wheelchairs do to the boards? Will the boards stay in place? Those powerful wheels can move a whole column of the typical floating floor.
The meaning of life is our relationship with God. These four steps are the key to getting a Divine Revelation directly from him. They are something you'd eventually do if you took God seriously enough to read the Bible, while implementing its teachings. They are, forgive your parents, break down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read three books of the Bible. Step four requires the first book of each testament, and one you chose yourself. The order is actually important. The steps build on each other. Each one primes your soul for the next. To be forgiven we must forgive. Mathew 6: 14-15. That's why forgiving others has to come before asking for forgiveness. Jesus will not forgive you until you've at least done the bare minimum, our parents. They're supposed to be easiest to forgive, because they've fed, housed, loved us to some degree. Our problems with them are supposed to represent our problems with God. This is why the bare minimum to receive the revelation is our parents. You'll still have to forgive everyone though, but that comes much easier after meeting God. I'm extremely serious and very literal. I'm not talking about signs, nor feelings, nor prayer. It's an actual literal pulled out of your body direct one on one conversation, nothing you can miss. nor misinterpretae. The vast majority of christans never bother to do what God wants seriously, so most never get this revelation. To most outside church their Bible is a paper weight, or at best a virtue signal. Their religion is in what other people think about them, not their relationship with God. Please do those steps I mentioned, there really is a Divine Revelation waiting for all of us. There's extraordinarlly important information we all desperately need in this revelation, but those who get it are forbidden to share it. The Truth that Jesus Christ is Lord is written on every human heart. We all have that knowledge inside us, but we bury it under mountains of pain and anger. Those steps clear away that garbage inside you, letting God heal you, so that his words boom clearly inside your soul. The entire point of our existence here is to Trust God enough that we pay him this mustard seed of Faith, so his Grace can remove the stain sin has left on our souls. Everyone that does not get this Grace is not forgiven of any of their sins, even if they turned around and we're the best person from 25 to death. Without Grace those first sins are still counted against you, tying you to the devil's punishment. It's not about being a good person, It's about being forgiven for when you weren't. The Bible is Truth. Please do those steps and see for yourself. Please take your salvation seriously.
@@jamesmayle4712As I write this you have copied and pasted the same message 3 times so far. All you're accomplishing is showing people how brainwashed you are. Knock this crap off.
When your kid spills milk on the floor, how do you clean that up when it seeps into the connectors? The floor has advantages, but a lot of disadvatages too.
Well it’s sealed on all 6 sides so it’s protected a little bit more and as for traditional application you can still get moisture between boards on a spill and you can’t do crap about it. I think this method is pretty cool. I just laid 4500sq’ of 3/4” hickory the traditional way and the compressor nailer is only so good until you get to about three boards away from the wall then it’s glue or hand toenailing. Every hand toenail hickory? It’s hard as shit! I would have loved this track system!
I appreciate the product, and I realize this post is a marketing effort. I just try to offer a little reality to the marketeers. I've installed clip-in flooring systems before, and the are NOT 100% sealed. They have their place in the building world, and are far less expensive to install, but don't tell me they seal the subflooring from moisture. I like the aspect of the removable slats, post installation.
I am an old school carpenter and do not generally accept new products quickly i don't like being the guy that gets to see a product fail or just cause problems for my customers that being said this is a very impressive product that i would try out without hesitation at all!!
Could this work with warm board? I like the idea of the serviceability of it but the float aspect would negate the heat transfer efficiency. Any opinions?
We recommend our flooring like any other hardwood over hydronic heat. Keep the temps below 80F for "low and slow" climate in your home. Solid hardwoods aren't recommended over electric "fast and hot" heating coils like you find under tile for the combined fire hazards and because of the insulation factor.
Its floating, as long as its not attached to subfloor and you leave required space around walls floor will expand and contract under the base board just like any floating floor. Run into a lot of moisture issues with traditional hardwood cupping because of moisture in crawl/basement or lack of proper central air conditioning to maintain humidity in space.
Buzz A what do you mean? You don’t want gapping or conversely cupping in a hard wood floor. Floating floors combat this by allowing expansion and contraction independently of subfloor and are much less prone to this.
I wonder. I did install a traditional 3/4" prefinished solid wood floor once using the floating method by gluing the T&G, and it came out nice and has lasted for over a decade with no cupping or warping, but it's in Hawaii, so it's a pretty stable environment. It seems to me that a floating floor system would be more prone to cupping, since it's not nailed down.
Hey guys! Our clips are (grey) rigid pvc and so they don't have plasticizers that could off-gas and make the plastic brittle. We've seen then survive 100 pull up/snap downs easily, but we still guarantee them for 20 years :)
Very nice! impressed. I guess the only downside is that the colors and sheen has to be pre picked before the product is delivered onsite. I do wonder how long it will last without issues with the plastic track.
We do send bare boards as a custom order, but can't guarantee the materials in chipping so spring and fall are best transit temperatures/humidity's. Plus our plastic is rigid PVC which means there aren't any plasticizers that could off gas and cause the plastic to become brittle.
@@StellerFloors Very nice product I am quite impressed. A product like this would be really popular in Aus/Nz. We also get a lot of earth quakes and this floor would handle them really well
The meaning of life is our relationship with God. These four steps are the key to getting a Divine Revelation directly from him. They are something you'd eventually do if you took God seriously enough to read the Bible, while implementing its teachings. They are, forgive your parents, break down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read three books of the Bible. Step four requires the first book of each testament, and one you chose yourself. The order is actually important. The steps build on each other. Each one primes your soul for the next. To be forgiven we must forgive. Mathew 6: 14-15. That's why forgiving others has to come before asking for forgiveness. Jesus will not forgive you until you've at least done the bare minimum, our parents. They're supposed to be easiest to forgive, because they've fed, housed, loved us to some degree. Our problems with them are supposed to represent our problems with God. This is why the bare minimum to receive the revelation is our parents. You'll still have to forgive everyone though, but that comes much easier after meeting God. I'm extremely serious and very literal. I'm not talking about signs, nor feelings, nor prayer. It's an actual literal pulled out of your body direct one on one conversation, nothing you can miss. nor misinterpretae. The vast majority of christans never bother to do what God wants seriously, so most never get this revelation. To most outside church their Bible is a paper weight, or at best a virtue signal. Their religion is in what other people think about them, not their relationship with God. Please do those steps I mentioned, there really is a Divine Revelation waiting for all of us. There's extraordinarlly important information we all desperately need in this revelation, but those who get it are forbidden to share it. The Truth that Jesus Christ is Lord is written on every human heart. We all have that knowledge inside us, but we bury it under mountains of pain and anger. Those steps clear away that garbage inside you, letting God heal you, so that his words boom clearly inside your soul. The entire point of our existence here is to Trust God enough that we pay him this mustard seed of Faith, so his Grace can remove the stain sin has left on our souls. Everyone that does not get this Grace is not forgiven of any of their sins, even if they turned around and we're the best person from 25 to death. Without Grace those first sins are still counted against you, tying you to the devil's punishment. It's not about being a good person, It's about being forgiven for when you weren't. The Bible is Truth. Please do those steps and see for yourself. Please take your salvation seriously.
How do the clips install ? I’m sure it ain’t just a stomp.. what’s the layout look like for that track ? How wide ? How did u your installers lay that out to get it to fit that tight? Honest questions .. I swear.
We have a ton of other videos on our youtube channel that you can check out! ruclips.net/video/A8ly1TO5hjs/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/ibxGAqH6u0Y/видео.html might help :)
Looking to install engineered wood on a slab. The slab has a light moister issue. If I seal the foundation can I glue it down? If so what do you recommend to use for a sealer that I can glue over?
Our clips are (grey) rigid pvc and have been tested/spec'ed by plastics scientists who expect the plastic is likely to outlive the floor :) We've built every component to be a 100 year product.
@@julianfrederick9082 nothing. But as a hardwood flooring guy who’s used his knees in a similar fashion, I can tell you this destroys your knees. It literally sends the energy through your knee joint essentially turning the cartilage into the hammer. Almost all of that force ends in your knee cap causing inflammation and micro tearing of the ligaments.
I've been installing flooring for over 30 years. I have worked with all the click and drop and lock systems. I will be ordering samples for my customer's it looks like it's a nice true drop in system my only worry will be if the tracks get damaged in shipping if a tube gets crushed shipping companies are ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL besides that I'm very excited.
Me scrolling: pshh hardwood... *sees the 10 second preview WHOAAA i gotta see this! Definitely want this in a future home. How’s it hold up with radiant floor heating?
We are just like other hardwoods! We recommend a flat subfloor, and radiant heat should be hydronic where the temperature is kept below 80 degrees F so that the underside of the planks doesn't get too warm/dry. Give us a call if you have more questions!
There's two reasons it won't hold up well for long periods. First one it is actual wood which is an insulator especially at that thickness. However over longer periods of time that heat is thermal storage. I've been in radiant heat for many many years and I would have to say if it isn't laminate it will probably Crown and cup.
@@ericbollman3139 based on the wood science side, the reason planks cup or bow is because of an imbalance in the humidity above and below the floor that creates an imbalanced panel. Then weird grain direction and knots make it worse. A Steller floor has normalized grain direction and is sealed on all sides. As long as the RH/Temp above and below the plank is consistent over time and changes relatively slowly there shouldn't be an issue. We don't recommend high heats and we don't recommend electric to avoid these other issues.
Nice! -- QUESTION -- How well would this work in a full height concrete basement living space in the North East? I am told that basement have varying humidity levels from winter to summer etc. and that traditionally people carpet the basement for that reason.
I used Rubio Monocoat on my red oak floor, 3 years no issue, you can walk on it after a few hours. Have not needed to repair a scratch but your supposed to be able to rub the Rubio into the scratch and it will return the scratch to the same color as the finish. Worked well on my black walnut countertops except for a ring from a galvanized can left next to the sink for several weeks. 2 liters did 1000 sq. Ft. Had I known about the Stellar flooring I would have went with it really good design.
Folks who have water damage from a leaky flower pot or pet damage can pull a single plank up, take it to the garage, and touch it up so easily. 120+180 grit and some standard poly and/or you can move that plank under a rug. You don't have to live with those annoying spots on the floor that catch your sock or catch your eye anymore, and you don't have to move out for a week and pay $5 per sqft to refinish all 1000 sqft.
Very Cool. Being 3/4 inch I can router a groove in the bottom and run cords under it to a device in the middle of the room. Also I could install this in an apartment and remove it when I leave.
Looks great! I like it! Is there a solution for a perpendicular transition/reducer? (other than gluing it to subfloor and letting this floor 'slide' along side it)
Yep! Interior designers like the idea the you can move floor electrical sockets without much pain by milling a groove in the board to run standard wiring.
0:23 Very clever design. However, I gotta ask - wont those precut channels serve as failure points (read: splitting) if the wood is ever subjected to large sustained swings in humidity (regular mopping, spills, or rainy/desert climate) ? I dont have a feel for how (un)likely that might be, but if it is i'm more inclined to endure some temporary warping or gapping rather than irreversible splitting along the clip channels. Also, wouldn't those grooves serve as a convenient highway that enables a more rapid spread of say termites, if present ? Just wondering aloud. Cogent rebuttal welcome.
I like the ideal behind the system. But I fear over time individuals will experience metal fatigue and the track system will break down. Definitely good for small businesses that are leasing property. I just don't think it's practical for homeowners unless there were changes to the building code. I could see this very practical in a two-story house with a subfloor. This way you can just pop up the floor and have direct access to water lines and plumbing fixtures in the crawlspace. But I would much prefer my floor being nailed down and attached because it strengthens structure.
Solid wood is indeed more textured than other flooring, and this installation method is also very attractive. I want to install it on my home's ceramic tile floor. Have anyone else installed this method before? How is the effect?
The plastic is rigid pvc and doesn't have any plasticizers that could offgas and make the plastic brittle. Since it is out of the sun, it could last forever, but we gaurantee it for 20 years anyway :)
I didn’t watch the full video but I couldn’t imagine the dollar per sq foot on this floor. (Came back and saw the price...no way) gotta have deep pockets for this floor.
Went to the website and checked pricing and my smile turned into a frown. For the current plans i have drawn up it was over 20k for 800sq ft. of walnut. Ill pass.
Say I want to put hardwood over radiant heated floors. Seems like this would achieve the goal of not putting staples through my pipes, but how will the this system fare with the wood's expansion when the heat is turned on? Will the boards jump off the tracks?
I remember seeing this a while ago on here when you were at IBS I think. I'm so glad this was a successful product with a few good years on it now. Another scenario I think this would work good with is wiring. You could frame the floor it in such a way that there's a removable strip of sub flooring perfectly under a row or two of hard wood. Giving access into the joist space for electrical or even plumbing. Good for finished basements or the 2nd floor if attic access is limited.
I really don't know if you'd want that removable subfloor to be parallel with the top floor. Maybe if it were in a lot traffic area?
IBS is no BS...just saying.
@@jaykrahl2407 irritable bowl syndrome?
@@marcob1729 That's pretty much how server rooms are built.
Great idea man 💯
Anyone else notice the floors seemed to be warping upwards already? Even in their glorious final product video shoot there, they had a good few mm’s of uneven boards. I wonder how bad it gets a year or two into use?
That was an awesome video! It is the best of all worlds! It fixes so many things: no glue/nails, it snaps together anywhere in the field, refinishing is super easy and keeps your house usable, repair is easy, and it is the same cost as regular hardwood floors. I see this becoming a go to product. Very cool!
Thank you!
Very interesting. My concern would be the plastic connectors becoming brittle overtime though.
Also, how much gap is created at the joints by the top of the plastic clip?
They shouldn’t because there is no exposure to UV light. And even if one broke, replace the section that broke and stomp it down. 😊
@@Digidoc316 Looks like the plastic clip is below the top of the board and the gap looked minmual.
pretty sure its aluminum
it IS plastic 😯
That's definitely the innovation. Stains, dings, renovation..Ease of in out. Awesome video Matt.
Of all the great Build Shows this is for sure top 10. Keep bringing us the leading edge of home construction Matt.
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What about expansion/contraction in a house that does not have tight humidity control? Will there eventually be gaps between the boards on the ends where there isn't anything holding them together?
When the boards do warp because of humidity...do you think plastic strips will hold them straight better than nails ? Wood , in a sense, is a living thing...and these floors have been machined to an MDF standard...but that won't last.
@@markanthony3275 you're right, just another way manufacturers sell products to customers and leave installers out to dry when the warranties are questioned.
@@Rob-- Exactly!
I want to know/see what you have to do when ripping a board to fit it against a wall at the end of the run, and/or odd sections of wall and how to align this floating floor. Rare to be able to use a full sized (width) board all the way across a room.
My furnace is in the crawlspace under the house. If it ever needed to be replaced or even substantially serviced with new parts, it would need to come up through the floor joists under the master bed, which means the floor would have to come up. This is the product I wanted before I knew it existed. I just did my house in click bamboo which was a huge compromise to the solid oak we wanted. I laid it so that only one room would have to be unclicked if we need to pull the furnace. This product would have let me just pull the area to get the furnace out. Wish I had seen this earlier.
LOL WTF? Why on earth wouldnt you have or add an access hatch like every other house in the world? Or have an access door from the outside of the house? Pretty serious thing to overlook....Even my 120+ year old stone house with a 3/4 basement has stairs down to access the mechanical systems
@@Dav3 I really appreciate your thoughtful and constructive feedback. You seem like a nice person. Wow, an access door, I never thought of that... 1st I didn't build the house. 2nd I'm on a 18" perimeter foundation not a basement. Outside the house on all sides but one, the ground is 6" below the top of the foundation. There's nothing to put a large door into. The house is in a city with no room to excavate a set of stairs. 3rd, the existing access door to the crawl space is about 12" high, meaning you can crawl in on your belly to maintain the unit, but you cant R&R an entire furnace. 4th, the furnace is directly under the center of the bedroom floor so an access hatch big enough to pull out a furnace unit would look crappy. 5. Either way, the subfloor would need to be removed. 6. Similar construction happens frequently when they put HVAC equip into an attic crawl space during framing. 7. If the heater does die and needs to be R&Rd, then we would spend a half-day and pull up the floor and subfloor (thus the click lock solid bamboo). I expect this to be at most a once every 20-year event. 8. I'm complimenting a product. If I needed your construction criticism I'ld have sent you a set of floorplans.
@@Cooper1 You did the best you could and I'm sure it's perfect for what you needed ! Loving how you politely replied to that negative prick
Heh! Isn't that ALWAYS the way?
You go nuts looking for the best solution.
Can't find it, and compromise with something that isn't QUITE what you want, but fits your criteria.
THEN, after you get everything done, the better solution "magically" appears and you're kicking yourself!
Personally I'm convinced this kinda stuff happens to me because I was a complete bastard in several, consecutive previous lifetimes....
These days the best option when a furnace dies is to replace it with heat pumps. I'd just disconnect the fuel and leave it where it is if it ever kicks the bucket. I just replaced my NG furnace with heat pumps and I'd never go back.
I love this concept. How long is the life of the boards? And after a few years do they start popping out of their tracks?
They certainly will. Moisture will weaken the substrate and these will pop. Usually new, innovative construction methods fail.
I’ve been installing for 25 years, why have I never seen this product/system. It definitely has peaked my interest.
How you can store the gold and the guns at your new home Mr. Wick.
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heh, that's where my mind went to immediately
Under Any and EVERY board...
Imagine if he was intoxicated when he put it under a board...
Now which one did I put that under now...
2 hours later...
Ultraviolet pen with a tiny marking to help you find it quickly.
Glad you did a follow up on that company, Matt. I was hoping they managed to stay in business.
Thank you! Check us out on youtube and instagram to catch up with how far we've progressed!
@@StellerFloors oh sweet!
I love the concept and if money wasn’t a concern I’d definitely consider it, but like many of the other comments the price is just too high. Plus since the company’s only been around a few years there’s no “proof of longevity” in the plastic tracks, especially for spending $14+/sf on materials only. I’d need to see how it’s holding up after 10 years before dropping $30K to upgrade my house. I think materials/tax/shipping would need to be below $10/sf to be considered by me.
How about no more than $6 for materials to be considered by me.( actual installer and a salesperson)
$14 is crazy!!!!
You think they invented some sort of new plastic?
@Ab Ba thats the thing. For $14 dollars the quality is horrible. You can get amazing stuff for $10!!! $14 is crazy
It looks like a $3 per sf product. Look in detail at joints. Look at the height difference. It looks bad.
@@denispilipchuk9091 Really? Looks good to me. The real advantage is the homeowner can install it. Labor is nonexistent.
@@firesurfer look closer. I have 12 years of experience as an installer. If I can tell from a heavily edited video then more so in person. I don't think homeowners are going to jump on installing it. Its still labor intensive
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React to it
Tenants too!
I’m not a rental owner, but if I were, I would never put in $15 per square foot flooring in my units. Tenants aren’t going to respect the value.
@@tscoffey1 Depending on the neighborhood ($1800 per month+), if you can get $200 per month out of the tenant for hardwood living areas instead of carpet for about 500 sqft, the floor pays itself off in 3 years or so. Then you can take minutes to repair it for less down time between tenants, and you can charge tenants to replace whole planks out of deposits versus $5 per sqft refinishing costs. That doesn't even include the write-off. If you choose hardwoods, choose us!
@@StellerFloors Should make a basic common red oak variety where the selection is less stringent that has a slight price cut because of it and use it as an economy option. I think it would be easier to push that one into the retail market or for folks on a tighter budget at a wider scale and really deliver some serious returns. Keep the rest for those who want specific colors and tones and species. I think this is an amazing flooring concept though and I hope it succeeds.
Yup! I remember that video two years ago. Impressed then, impressed now
Looks great. The repair value IS huge. However nothing beats a job site finish. I wanted to see the edges and how they match up. How dependent are they on the slab? I have another way to make a floating floor that sits on a 3/4 plywood. The biggest drawback is that finished thickness is 1 1/2 but it is bulletproof- except for water.
Awesome book that gives you step-by-step photos ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTNB_zFBSnTo_O1PqfVUwgi7ityw0JlKt and directions to make every day project. I can see myself making a few of these projects and giving them as housewarming and holiday gifts!
This would be an amazing product in a condo installation. Real wood flooring repairable. Amazing
I hope this video gets them more customers than they can handle!
Hopefully they can go nationwide in a couple of years.
If love to be able to provide the product to my customers here in Southern California.
We do ship direct to customers nationwide! Give us a call and let us see how we can help you :)
@@StellerFloors
Awesome, I'll give you a call in the new year!
Wow this is ingenious! can you imagine never having to stress to much about scratching the floor somewhere by accident? Just pull up the plank and replace it. But also you can pull up the floor and refinish it on site or in a garage board by board if you have to...
Yes, this is exactly why we love our floors! You can re-think your relationship with your floors from the ground up. Why get wire-brushed flooring and cover up the grain if you don't need to live with scratches? Let that magnificent grain shine :)
Matt, looks like a great product but if I wanted something other than a plain running bond type pattern? Do they have other options for example, installing borders, soldiered corners or herring bone patterned fields?
These design options are in R & D now and could debut this summer! Follow us on instagram and facebook to stay up to date :)
@@StellerFloors thanks!
Oh yeah, I saw this on that trade show review you did! I'm glad to see they're doing well!
Build show is improving my remodel so much. Zip is the system, Love my cavity sliding door, looks like my floors will be a snap.
These are awesome, would love to see some finished product/customer reviews. I hope this takes off in a big way!
Check out our youtube channel and Kim Lewis' new review: ruclips.net/video/7IcRXdHl5v4/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/A8ly1TO5hjs/видео.html
@@StellerFloors done and done! Subscribed!
How much weight can that system withstand on a single point? Considering large appliances or a heavy bed on this flooring. Also a Pool table which can place about 250 lbs on a small 2-3 inch square space. Will these heavy weights cause buckling?
Good question and all of the loading goes through the clip on to the subfloor and it can handle a substantial amount of weight. That said, we haven't tested the max weight, but you can always add extra support under the planks if you're worried.
I'd love to see this over a WarmBoard floor ! Look like a great combination.
Any issues laying this over a radiant floor heat system? Also, can you order these unfinished and apply whatever finish the client wants?
EXCELLENT question.
Someone is doing high end😏👍
Literally my 1st question mentally.
So, when you are moving to another house you can literally take your floors to new address :-D
That is actually the very reason all those laminate "floating" floors come from Scandinavia. People there live somewhere for many years. They don't move frequently, but they also do not own their dwelling. They may improve it and remove the improvement if it is not physically connected to the structure. That would be floors and appliances.
They can also install and remove kitchen cabinets that are hung on rails screwed to the wall. Think: IKEA. The cabinets go; the rail stays. And yes, they do take the floors with them when they leave.
OTOH, the new tenant can pay the departing tenant for the depreciated value of the improvements if s/he wants to keep them. And that deal is outside the lease payment[s] and rental contract.
@@ricoludovici2825 sounds like the same thing we do in the Netherlands.
Usually kitchens are part of the house though. So it will not be allowed to remove.
When you have upgraded it yourself to a fancy one, and you are in a 'social housing' house the agency usually pays you a percentage of the depreciated value because you made the house worth more for them. Do mind that social housing over here does not necesarrily means lowest of the low quality. A large lot of them can go up to 750 euros of rent max a month.
To put that in perspective a mortgage can be as low as 550.
@@VYR1985 In the US, anything you do your rental home is considered 'donated improvements'. Hence, most people will do nothing more than paint the walls of their apartment or house. And for that, they have to get the owner's permission and abide with his approved colors.
Carpet is not moveable because it is nailed to the floor. In fact, you cannot remove or replace the existing carpet without the owner's permission. And if you do, your replacement carpet stays and becomes HIS/HER property.
Kitchens always come finished with cabinets and appliances. You cannot change these out, even if you pay for them. Except in some places, like California, where the refrigerator belongs to the renter. And s/he will often just sell it to the next tenant for a nominal sum or leave it in place, abandoned so to speak. Or the tenant RENTS the fridge from the landlord or an appliance rental company.
Also, Americans move much more frequently than Europeans, too. Average apartment tenancy is about 3 years. Purchased home would be 6 to 7 years residence on average.
So those floating floors are for purchased homes.
My tenants moved out and took everything except the kitchen sink....
[Looks in the kitchen]: nope, they took that too
That is typically not legal in most states...unless you want to lose the sale.
Awesome innovative product. I definitely want something like this in my next home.
@steveXracer because it means it'll be easier to maintain. It's the one thing I hate about nailed/stapled hardwood floors.
@steveXracer My apologies, "replace" is the correct word but maintain is also a good word too. Instead of sanding and/or staining a section of hardwood, you can also do a single piece, making it easier to fix, instead of replacing.
@steveXracer really?
He's so confident about his design, he wears it on his shirt.
That's something I can get behind.
If I need to get any flooring, this is what I'm doing.
You find the coolest products. How do you handle rips against walls?
There's a 1/32" lift under the plank from the clips (7 sheets of printer paper), so when you rip you can shim it or leave it to sit on the floor next to the wall/rubber gasket. We also supply water-based sealant so that you can touch up fresh cut ends and maintain the seal on all sides!
@@StellerFloors awesome. Going to check you guys out.
Installer: when you hard wood floor is about 2” close to the wall
How you do to cut 2” and install properly the tracks or rails? Or you need a special tool like a router to make a profile on the piece of wood?
with a table saw
Looks AWESOME!! Solves si many problems. How many lbs of Forcw does it take to pull up? ...gotta watch those rotator cuffs
Good call! As you'll see from the video its a slow lift to get the orientation of the clips right and then a tug of about 15-20lbs.
So cool! The video with him 2 years ago was my introduction to your channel!
The wood floor in my old house in Philadelphia was about 4 inches thick, random planks. You'd go on the basement and look up, and there was the bottom of it. You could see a little daylight between the planks. Solid. No creaking.
I love it. I remember when you showed it at that trade show, and I thought it was brilliant then. I want this floor!
Matt - you are almost there. You’ve almost made it to the million subscribers mark. Let’s get going!!!!!!
Think their business motto is “drop-pop-and lock it”?
now it will be
They need to pay you for that motto
I agree. *Cue the Austin Powers movie.... 1 million dollars!!
Huey would like to sue you. Lol
Drop....pop...shut em down lock em up tight.....oooooohhhhh......yeaaaaa
I live like 20 minutes from these guys and never heard of them. Will be visiting when I am ready to do my floors
Cool product, love the innovation. Seems like the bevel on the planks is larger than in nail down floors to compensate for any irregularities in manufacturing/install. I also see some proud edges and gapping in some of the planks. Any subfloor irregularities would amplify this. Not for me, but interesting product nonetheless.
Don’t know how you lay floor but where I’m from if a sub floor has irregularities you fix that, then lay floor. We don’t just cover it and forget it.
Any thoughts on this with underfloor radiant heat?
Would the black vapor barrier they used in the video negatively affect radiant under floor heating?
Underfloor heat is the same as other hardwoods. We recommend hydronic and not electric and to keep temps below 80F. You can choose a different polyethylene that's clear if you want depending on your situation!
What does the fox say? @3:56
How thin can they be made for floor heating? And would a cable groove be an option, for power or Ethernet cable?
We always use 3/4" solids, but some folks have used hydronic heat for "low and slow" warming like is done under other kinds of solid hardwood (not the electric "fast and hot" warming like under tile). We also love the idea of routing grooves for cables and then easily moving them if you have to!
How it works with radiant heat?
I pop's up when the desired temperature is reached.
I noticed in the video the boards already seemed to have a mm warp, or popup, to them. Makes me wonder if the entire floor can be sanded or not? or if each board must be individually plained and then put back...
I am currently planning a build and I think that I have found most of my ideas through the Build Show!
Riverdance, the flooring.
I needed that. Thanks LOL
What will power wheelchairs do to the boards? Will the boards stay in place? Those powerful wheels can move a whole column of the typical floating floor.
Nice product!
The meaning of life is our relationship with God. These four steps are the key to getting a Divine Revelation directly from him. They are something you'd eventually do if you took God seriously enough to read the Bible, while implementing its teachings. They are, forgive your parents, break down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read three books of the Bible. Step four requires the first book of each testament, and one you chose yourself. The order is actually important. The steps build on each other. Each one primes your soul for the next. To be forgiven we must forgive. Mathew 6: 14-15. That's why forgiving others has to come before asking for forgiveness. Jesus will not forgive you until you've at least done the bare minimum, our parents. They're supposed to be easiest to forgive, because they've fed, housed, loved us to some degree. Our problems with them are supposed to represent our problems with God. This is why the bare minimum to receive the revelation is our parents. You'll still have to forgive everyone though, but that comes much easier after meeting God. I'm extremely serious and very literal. I'm not talking about signs, nor feelings, nor prayer. It's an actual literal pulled out of your body direct one on one conversation, nothing you can miss. nor misinterpretae. The vast majority of christans never bother to do what God wants seriously, so most never get this revelation. To most outside church their Bible is a paper weight, or at best a virtue signal. Their religion is in what other people think about them, not their relationship with God. Please do those steps I mentioned, there really is a Divine Revelation waiting for all of us. There's extraordinarlly important information we all desperately need in this revelation, but those who get it are forbidden to share it. The Truth that Jesus Christ is Lord is written on every human heart. We all have that knowledge inside us, but we bury it under mountains of pain and anger. Those steps clear away that garbage inside you, letting God heal you, so that his words boom clearly inside your soul. The entire point of our existence here is to Trust God enough that we pay him this mustard seed of Faith, so his Grace can remove the stain sin has left on our souls. Everyone that does not get this Grace is not forgiven of any of their sins, even if they turned around and we're the best person from 25 to death. Without Grace those first sins are still counted against you, tying you to the devil's punishment. It's not about being a good person, It's about being forgiven for when you weren't. The Bible is Truth. Please do those steps and see for yourself. Please take your salvation seriously.
@@jamesmayle4712As I write this you have copied and pasted the same message 3 times so far. All you're accomplishing is showing people how brainwashed you are. Knock this crap off.
I remember when you first saw them. I think this is by far the coolest thing ever. Why not a real wood floor? Game changer.
You could technically finish the floor and then install as well. I would like to see the transitions between room, closets, etc. as well though.
That's pretty cool! I think the ease of refinishing sounds incredible. Seriously just take it out, run it through a drum sander and refinush....
It seems like an industrial or commercial finishing process would achieve a much better result than what could be done after a floor is installed.
When your kid spills milk on the floor, how do you clean that up when it seeps into the connectors? The floor has advantages, but a lot of disadvatages too.
They literally just showed you! Take a suction cup pull the boards, clean ,put boards back down.
A lot easier than prefinished nail down hardwood.
@@dlopes523 I’d prefer not to pull up floor boards every time my cat tosses a hairball.
Well it’s sealed on all 6 sides so it’s protected a little bit more and as for traditional application you can still get moisture between boards on a spill and you can’t do crap about it. I think this method is pretty cool. I just laid 4500sq’ of 3/4” hickory the traditional way and the compressor nailer is only so good until you get to about three boards away from the wall then it’s glue or hand toenailing. Every hand toenail hickory? It’s hard as shit! I would have loved this track system!
I appreciate the product, and I realize this post is a marketing effort. I just try to offer a little reality to the marketeers.
I've installed clip-in flooring systems before, and the are NOT 100% sealed. They have their place in the building world, and are far less expensive to install, but don't tell me they seal the subflooring from moisture. I like the aspect of the removable slats, post installation.
That man is a genius I can't beleive how simple it is! Way stronger than a micro tongue and Groove like you find on most floorings.
So genius it's gone nowhere in 2 years.
10 seconds in and I'm sold!
Im Speechless, what can anyone say , other than
WHAT AN AMAZING FLOORING
Thank you all for sharing this story WOW.
I think it would be cool if they had this system for laminate floors too
Look into gravity flooring. ... it's pretty sweet.
I know nothing about wood or floor making. But I found this really cool and entertaining
I am an old school carpenter and do not generally accept new products quickly i don't like being the guy that gets to see a product fail or just cause problems for my customers that being said this is a very impressive product that i would try out without hesitation at all!!
Could this work with warm board? I like the idea of the serviceability of it but the float aspect would negate the heat transfer efficiency. Any opinions?
We recommend our flooring like any other hardwood over hydronic heat. Keep the temps below 80F for "low and slow" climate in your home. Solid hardwoods aren't recommended over electric "fast and hot" heating coils like you find under tile for the combined fire hazards and because of the insulation factor.
Yeah it's nice for the first few years. It does start to warp easier, boards just randomly pop cause they don't gap with moisture. They do raddle.
Is this from first hand experience? He said they'd only been manufacturing for two years. So how do you know how they behave after a few years?
Its floating, as long as its not attached to subfloor and you leave required space around walls floor will expand and contract under the base board just like any floating floor. Run into a lot of moisture issues with traditional hardwood cupping because of moisture in crawl/basement or lack of proper central air conditioning to maintain humidity in space.
Buzz A what do you mean? You don’t want gapping or conversely cupping in a hard wood floor. Floating floors combat this by allowing expansion and contraction independently of subfloor and are much less prone to this.
How do you know they rattle?
I wonder. I did install a traditional 3/4" prefinished solid wood floor once using the floating method by gluing the T&G, and it came out nice and has lasted for over a decade with no cupping or warping, but it's in Hawaii, so it's a pretty stable environment. It seems to me that a floating floor system would be more prone to cupping, since it's not nailed down.
How long does the plastic spline last? Will it be held together as good 10 years from now?
I thought it was aluminum.
Hey guys! Our clips are (grey) rigid pvc and so they don't have plasticizers that could off-gas and make the plastic brittle. We've seen then survive 100 pull up/snap downs easily, but we still guarantee them for 20 years :)
@@StellerFloors Great! A 20 yr guarantee will work for me. Thanks. Merry Christmas!
Ok, this is so good it's insane.
Very nice! impressed. I guess the only downside is that the colors and sheen has to be pre picked before the product is delivered onsite. I do wonder how long it will last without issues with the plastic track.
We do send bare boards as a custom order, but can't guarantee the materials in chipping so spring and fall are best transit temperatures/humidity's. Plus our plastic is rigid PVC which means there aren't any plasticizers that could off gas and cause the plastic to become brittle.
@@StellerFloors Very nice product I am quite impressed. A product like this would be really popular in Aus/Nz. We also get a lot of earth quakes and this floor would handle them really well
The amazing Matt Risinger show!
That is awesome flooring! I remember when you first saw it. I was blown away like you were!
You can install it with a Pogo stick. ;-) I remember the previous video - glad to see he's hit the market.
Incredibly cool product! Thanks, Matt, and Merry Christmas!
You can install that floor while listening to Cotton Eye Joe.
thanks now that song is stuck in my head
The meaning of life is our relationship with God. These four steps are the key to getting a Divine Revelation directly from him. They are something you'd eventually do if you took God seriously enough to read the Bible, while implementing its teachings. They are, forgive your parents, break down before Jesus, ask for forgiveness, and read three books of the Bible. Step four requires the first book of each testament, and one you chose yourself. The order is actually important. The steps build on each other. Each one primes your soul for the next. To be forgiven we must forgive. Mathew 6: 14-15. That's why forgiving others has to come before asking for forgiveness. Jesus will not forgive you until you've at least done the bare minimum, our parents. They're supposed to be easiest to forgive, because they've fed, housed, loved us to some degree. Our problems with them are supposed to represent our problems with God. This is why the bare minimum to receive the revelation is our parents. You'll still have to forgive everyone though, but that comes much easier after meeting God. I'm extremely serious and very literal. I'm not talking about signs, nor feelings, nor prayer. It's an actual literal pulled out of your body direct one on one conversation, nothing you can miss. nor misinterpretae. The vast majority of christans never bother to do what God wants seriously, so most never get this revelation. To most outside church their Bible is a paper weight, or at best a virtue signal. Their religion is in what other people think about them, not their relationship with God. Please do those steps I mentioned, there really is a Divine Revelation waiting for all of us. There's extraordinarlly important information we all desperately need in this revelation, but those who get it are forbidden to share it. The Truth that Jesus Christ is Lord is written on every human heart. We all have that knowledge inside us, but we bury it under mountains of pain and anger. Those steps clear away that garbage inside you, letting God heal you, so that his words boom clearly inside your soul. The entire point of our existence here is to Trust God enough that we pay him this mustard seed of Faith, so his Grace can remove the stain sin has left on our souls. Everyone that does not get this Grace is not forgiven of any of their sins, even if they turned around and we're the best person from 25 to death. Without Grace those first sins are still counted against you, tying you to the devil's punishment. It's not about being a good person, It's about being forgiven for when you weren't. The Bible is Truth. Please do those steps and see for yourself. Please take your salvation seriously.
How do the clips install ? I’m sure it ain’t just a stomp.. what’s the layout look like for that track ? How wide ? How did u your installers lay that out to get it to fit that tight? Honest questions .. I swear.
We have a ton of other videos on our youtube channel that you can check out! ruclips.net/video/A8ly1TO5hjs/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/ibxGAqH6u0Y/видео.html might help :)
What kind of craftsman wizardry is this? Is this the Jetsons house?
Looking to install engineered wood on a slab. The slab has a light moister issue. If I seal the foundation can I glue it down? If so what do you recommend to use for a sealer that I can glue over?
when are they gonna make the Stellar siding!!
Should be a very straightforward concept to adapt for nearly any style of cladding.
Can it be laid over a heated floor? Will the metal strips expand and let go of the boards
Our clips are (grey) rigid pvc and have been tested/spec'ed by plastics scientists who expect the plastic is likely to outlive the floor :) We've built every component to be a 100 year product.
2:13 how to destroy your knees in one year.
Yeah if you’re in your sixties... what’s wrong with your knees man?
@@julianfrederick9082 nothing. But as a hardwood flooring guy who’s used his knees in a similar fashion, I can tell you this destroys your knees. It literally sends the energy through your knee joint essentially turning the cartilage into the hammer. Almost all of that force ends in your knee cap causing inflammation and micro tearing of the ligaments.
@@jamesmayle4712 I wish there was a hell for you.
Well good that god invented the rubber hammer
I've been installing flooring for over 30 years.
I have worked with all the click and drop and lock systems.
I will be ordering samples for my customer's it looks like it's a nice true drop in system my only worry will be if the tracks get damaged in shipping if a tube gets crushed shipping companies are ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL besides that I'm very excited.
Solution have somebody drive to the factory and pick it up yourself. Fly in rent a truck drive back..or simply bill the cusy for a couple extra boxes.
This would be a great way to upgrade in a starter home. Then move it when you get ready to move up.
that sounds to me like a good way to lose more resale value in the old house than it saves you on the new house.
$18 per sq ft. It's like stealing money.
Wished I had use this flooring. Have damage in several spots have to take up large sections to replace. Excellent
Me scrolling: pshh hardwood...
*sees the 10 second preview
WHOAAA i gotta see this!
Definitely want this in a future home. How’s it hold up with radiant floor heating?
We are just like other hardwoods! We recommend a flat subfloor, and radiant heat should be hydronic where the temperature is kept below 80 degrees F so that the underside of the planks doesn't get too warm/dry. Give us a call if you have more questions!
There's two reasons it won't hold up well for long periods. First one it is actual wood which is an insulator especially at that thickness. However over longer periods of time that heat is thermal storage. I've been in radiant heat for many many years and I would have to say if it isn't laminate it will probably Crown and cup.
@@ericbollman3139 based on the wood science side, the reason planks cup or bow is because of an imbalance in the humidity above and below the floor that creates an imbalanced panel. Then weird grain direction and knots make it worse. A Steller floor has normalized grain direction and is sealed on all sides. As long as the RH/Temp above and below the plank is consistent over time and changes relatively slowly there shouldn't be an issue. We don't recommend high heats and we don't recommend electric to avoid these other issues.
Nice! -- QUESTION -- How well would this work in a full height concrete basement living space in the North East? I am told that basement have varying humidity levels from winter to summer etc. and that traditionally people carpet the basement for that reason.
I was wondering how this company was doing i like this product.
Have you ever used it?
I remember seeing this a while ago at IBS and I'm glad he's actually using it.
@@Senpany_kit_abuse unfortunately no. I like the concept and it looks like it would be an easier dyi project with real wood flooring.
I used Rubio Monocoat on my red oak floor, 3 years no issue, you can walk on it after a few hours. Have not needed to repair a scratch but your supposed to be able to rub the Rubio into the scratch and it will return the scratch to the same color as the finish. Worked well on my black walnut countertops except for a ring from a galvanized can left next to the sink for several weeks. 2 liters did 1000 sq. Ft. Had I known about the Stellar flooring I would have went with it really good design.
Nice - but let's get real at 4:21. Who's going to take the boards out sand and re-finish by the ones?
Folks who have water damage from a leaky flower pot or pet damage can pull a single plank up, take it to the garage, and touch it up so easily. 120+180 grit and some standard poly and/or you can move that plank under a rug. You don't have to live with those annoying spots on the floor that catch your sock or catch your eye anymore, and you don't have to move out for a week and pay $5 per sqft to refinish all 1000 sqft.
Very Cool. Being 3/4 inch I can router a groove in the bottom and run cords under it to a device in the middle of the room. Also I could install this in an apartment and remove it when I leave.
Good idea
I need this in my house!!!
Yeah but do you have to let the flooring acculimate to the house before installation ? Sorry if I misspelled the word..
Not only that... the floors can be re-used!
This is absolutely amazing! I love learning about new products to offer my customers. Great job with the video and to Evan for inventing this 👏
This product floored me.
Price per ft
Looks great! I like it! Is there a solution for a perpendicular transition/reducer? (other than gluing it to subfloor and letting this floor 'slide' along side it)
So, when interviewing a prospective employee the number one question is do they have any Irish dancing experience...
Can you run thin wires underneath it I wonder? Pretty handy for that I would think.
Yep! Interior designers like the idea the you can move floor electrical sockets without much pain by milling a groove in the board to run standard wiring.
@@StellerFloors I don't know any building code that would let you run power that close to the surface without a metal shield.
Now thats a damn good idea! get to the UK!
0:23 Very clever design.
However, I gotta ask - wont those precut channels serve as failure points (read: splitting) if the wood is ever subjected to large sustained swings in humidity (regular mopping, spills, or rainy/desert climate) ? I dont have a feel for how (un)likely that might be, but if it is i'm more inclined to endure some temporary warping or gapping rather than irreversible splitting along the clip channels.
Also, wouldn't those grooves serve as a convenient highway that enables a more rapid spread of say termites, if present ?
Just wondering aloud. Cogent rebuttal welcome.
I like the ideal behind the system. But I fear over time individuals will experience metal fatigue and the track system will break down. Definitely good for small businesses that are leasing property. I just don't think it's practical for homeowners unless there were changes to the building code. I could see this very practical in a two-story house with a subfloor. This way you can just pop up the floor and have direct access to water lines and plumbing fixtures in the crawlspace. But I would much prefer my floor being nailed down and attached because it strengthens structure.
Solid wood is indeed more textured than other flooring, and this installation method is also very attractive. I want to install it on my home's ceramic tile floor. Have anyone else installed this method before? How is the effect?
$12-$20 is extraordinarily high for hardwood floors.
I could get some of the best hardwood installed twice for that price
Yeah site finished oak is like $7.50-$8.50sqft all in for me.
This was three years ago. I wonder what Matt pays for it now.
How durable are the rails? If you crack the plastic pulling a piece out are you stuck with a board that never quite sits right?
The plastic is rigid pvc and doesn't have any plasticizers that could offgas and make the plastic brittle. Since it is out of the sun, it could last forever, but we gaurantee it for 20 years anyway :)
I didn’t watch the full video but I couldn’t imagine the dollar per sq foot on this floor. (Came back and saw the price...no way) gotta have deep pockets for this floor.
It was close to 6 thousand for 400 sqft
Wood floors are not cheap unless your product is crap
You right, I think are several spends it
Went to the website and checked pricing and my smile turned into a frown. For the current plans i have drawn up it was over 20k for 800sq ft. of walnut. Ill pass.
Say I want to put hardwood over radiant heated floors. Seems like this would achieve the goal of not putting staples through my pipes, but how will the this system fare with the wood's expansion when the heat is turned on? Will the boards jump off the tracks?