I wondered how framework could succeed in the market, but having the possibility to buy components modularly and doing anything with them is awesome. So much possibilities. And you can rebuild it in the form of a laptop whenever you want. I'm hyped
@@padnomnidprenon9672 Get more hype with the news by AMD and aCPU's becoming way more efficient and powerful than they are now. You could have a mainboard this size with the power of a 3060 easily if the numbers aren't lying. Like, that's crazys to think about.
This should be called the “MainFrame”, since it’s a Mainboard from a Framework. While the price value for the from scratch option isn’t great right now, I think as new mainboards come out older models will drop in price. Suddenly having 11th gen i5s at say 300 bucks would be huge for leftover stock/e waste removal. I really want to see if I can make a Steam Deck like case for the mainboard. There are raspberry pi video games handhelds so it is possible, but as a newbie to 3D printing it would be tricky. Could you do a intro to 3D printing? Thanks for the great framework content, it really helped me decide to purchase mine.
@@ElevatedSystems Start with one of those bluetooth clamp controllers meant for tablets as a proof of concept! The controller PCB's could take a while!
Man, I was (and am!) _so_ excited about the industry leading innovation, the revolutionary modularity (and thus customizability and repairability by extension) and the future prospects for the Framework laptop that I was pretty much crapping my pants in disbelief when I first heard about this. Not to mention the fact that, although exceptionally rare for a profit-driven company, I am absolutely head over heels in *LOVE* with the completely transparent, fully modular and 100% open-source way with which the Framework Inc. company does its business! All of the other companies in the business cannot adopt a similar modus operandi soon enough, if you ask me! Anyone else agree with me about this being an incredibly delicious (and sorely needed) breath of fresh air like you wouldn't believe!? In my humble opinion so much so that I am quite literally having difficulties with putting my excitement and feelings about all of this epicness into the words needed for me just to be able to properly express the extent of exactly how super mega awesome and incredibly uber dank I think this entire Framework concept is! *I love you, Framework* 🤓♥️⚙️!!!!
Thank you! Great review. Great advises and comments. Repurposing the main board is really a great option, as well as building all sort of modular pc as the usb c could support an external gpu!
You know, with the popularity of tiny form-factor PCs of late, I've often wondered why companies don't just take out their laptop mainboards and put them in small enclosures to act as a full-fledged desktop PC. You have the option to put in a much beefier cooling system than the laptop got - whilst still being able to maintain the overall tiny size - plus considering laptops these days are pretty close to having desktop performance anyway (and that gap is often down to lack of cooling) especially when they come with a discreet GPU you wouldn't really be able to tell that your new gaming rig is actually running off laptop components. I've seen a whole ton of small form-factor PC builds over the past few years, and they always seem to struggle the most around the size of desktop-grade GPUs, the desktop motherboard not always being the most practical for this form due to the fact the components ON the motherboard are often chunky in size which in turn reduces cooling options (unlike a laptop where everything is as flat as possible to the board which allows the cooling to be thinner and able to be located on top of board much closer), and the size of desktop-grade cooling solutions. Seems to me there's a bit of a gap between desktop components and laptop components where somebody could come in and give us the best of both worlds??
Definitely! As an SFFPC enthusiast I'm desperate for a smaller motherboard standard than ITX because that's one of the limiting factors to go smaller, GPUs and PSUs being the other two. Intel's new NUC 12 Extreme would be the best option right now to pair with a desktop GPU if they released the Compute Element separately. But even that is kinda overkill with its desktop CPU which is not necessary anymore, especially for 4K Gaming. This Framework motherboard would be perfect if we could strap a Noctua NH-L9i on top of it, a GPU to the back with a PCIe connector and the smallest possible PSU next to the whole thing or the GPU if that's short enough. Why not just buy a Laptop? Because Laptop GPUs are relatively slow and the fans are loud. If you're only gaming at home noise matters and you're GPU is not limited by batteries.
@@Dionyzos companies like Sliger or even Lian-Li could really corner the market in this niche by making a well thought out design for Framework mainboards. Could really change the SSF market especially if they manufacture a case no bigger than one of those e-gpus but able to fit the mainboard and a RTX monster with insane cooling.
funny you mention that i found a few laptop dvd drives in desktops was annoying too since i was replacing the psu and needed a adapter for the power connector.
with economy of scale this could quickly become the go to for when people need a full desktop power level solution in a more raspi like form factor. Obviously we are still much bigger than raspi, but we're no small enough to easily drop this inside a cheaper tv display housing ( these usually have tons of space left over inside that boards can be attached to.
I live in the Philippines, and one of the big benefits of being able to leave out RAM, Wi-Fi cards, storage etc. from your order is you're able to pay less taxes getting it shipped here. Plus, you can use your old cards if need be! Lots of e-waste prevented. Definitely going to get my next laptop from Framework.
As far as 3D printing goes I recently switched to 6 mm nozzle and print at 0.4 mm height it actually adds a nice finish to it because the layers are so thick it hides most of the imperfections associated with 3D printing at least on a cheap under three like I have. Plus the time to print is like half and the parts feel a lot stronger. If you want to print ABS or anything like that you need to enclose your 3D printer to keep the heat up last time I had to use ABS I just put a big cardboard box over the printer and watched it the whole time do the safety concerns with cardboard and hot electronics.
I use thinkpad T430 with docking station and eGPU for almost 7 years and it still good. I think Framework environment is one of the best option to replace my setup in the future.
Yes I first saw that computer on LTT and it is pretty awesome. He even bought into the company after falling in love with the computer he got from them. Love it
AWESOME video! I've really been looking forward to this one, love all your framework content. REALLY happy to see a non-clickbait-y title or thumbnail. I know creators' reasons to use these, but I hate to see youtube devolve into tabloids for the internet - especailly in the techtuber space. This high-quality, straightforward video has earned my subscription, and I hope I can stay subscribed for your upcoming content.
That's actually really cool to hear that they provide all the pinouts for every connector on the board. I could see these boards being used by other OEMs for various things such as signage and other stuff which would be really cool.
Looks like a milled aluminium case could bring a higher thermal headroom for the device I wonder. Also, I wonder if it is possible to slap a desktop level cooler onto it so that we could have a sustained all-core boost.
unless the case is actually making proper direct contact to the hot components on the board you probably won't notice a difference, it's mostly the cooling solution and airflow that matter. I've always liked the idea of slapping a better cooler on a laptop but sadly most laptop boards don't have the necessary mounting holes. especially not in the right places and the area around the cpu is pretty full with important connections so it's not easy to find an area to make holes yourself without destroying the board. you can try to attach it around the board with some kind of backplate but you'll lose mounting pressure which is pretty essential for heat transfer. the good thing about framework is it's open source nature and a large tinkering community so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody came up with a good solution at some point!
Wouldn't aluminum act like a giant passive cooler? Modifying the 3d file to accept the heat pipe assembly to act as thermal conduit shouldn't be too difficult but I'm surprised that Framework hasn't offered the specs of the mainboard chassis to layout a mini desktop design. Basically, a milled aluminum block without a display assembly. Better yet offer a direct display connector to display port/hdmi cable for connecting to an external monitor, freeing up the 4 thunderbolt bolt ports for swappable modules. Anyone who can come up with a design that mimics the formfactor that looks like Intel's extreme nucs but can fit the mainboard would have my money the moment they release it.
Buying the mainboard specifically for build a compact pc won't be the best option but re-purposing your old mainboard seems like a crazy deal. Not only you are upgrading your laptop but you are also getting a secondary compact pc as bonus.
Damn it this is cool. I've been wanting to go the NUC-like route for awhile. I've effectively wanted a laptop with no monitor or HIDs. This is really an exciting product for once.
Wow framework is changing the whole game by doing such a great work they need a lot of love and support for what they are doing ❤️ wish they become the Apple of the future which everyone can love unlike the current apple 😂
Love this video. Yes, upgradeability is at a premium considering today's throw-away culture. I've tried replacing laptop motherboards in the past looking to revive an $800 machine, only to be disappointed by the lack of support, voided warranty and lack of PC-level customization and upgradeability. I believe the Framework open hardware business model is the future, upon the heels of a collapsing world economy and the forced return to DIY for sheer survival. Please cover more Framework in the future. Subscribed!
Framework as a company is starting to look better and better. Not only their products are on the verge of being tantalizing, but they also have an end of life strategy, which in my opinion every product should have. These days it's getting more expensive to throw something out than to outright buy the thing itself.
I sadly dont have a framework laptop, but if I was to repurpose one I probably would use it as a server because it's small, has a laptop SOC, meaning only very little power consumption, and as you said it's fun to work with
If I win the lottery: I'm going to make my OWN repairable laptop company! But with all my parts being sized and interchangeable with the framework stuff. Mainboard the same layout, use the expansion cards, etc. It would be neat to have a bunch of folk making main components all following that form factor.
For the Wi-Fi most laptops have a place for the wires to stay so it’s not putting pressure on the connectors and a piece of tape to further secure it. Frameworks solution is best I’ve seen but also I’ve never had them pop off without have been messing with the inside of the laptop
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but ASA is a great alternative to ABS that's less prone to warping. Generally an adhesive and no fan is good enough to get good prints.
Man this is awesome, if the laptop kinda dies you can buy parts and they give out files to make it into a small desktop pc in case you got and old one and might need a little home theater pc.
I love the idea of making your own case. I remember your video building the keyboard enclosure and that was great. What about doing a modified version of Framework's 3d printed case that directly attached to an eGPU enclosure, making it into a pseudo-desktop?
When time comes and i upgrade my framework, i will use the old board for a low power home server system. Since it has tb i would probably build some kind of Blade server style chassis to slot in more boards if the home lab grows.
@ElevatedSystems Wow, I can't say enough thanks for the content. Your love for technology is much appreciated and even though this may have not been sponsored you certainly brought profits to many.
So the antenna hold down thingy is by no means specific to Framework, that is a standard m.2 wifi module. The strap on many is a simple single step flap with one hole. There are also plastic clip on style, seems that would be ripe for 3d printing. I rarely use the darn things, if you route the wire so it doesn't try to pop off the connector you should be fine.
Turn the part cooling fans off in your slicer and put a cardboard box over your printer and let it get nice and warm there before printing with ABS. Should be able to get you there especially with an ABS+ type filament.
I could see this being popular for kiosk builds, cashier or mall navigation and the like... plus it could allow plug and play if the admin set it up nicely and on a lightweight OS... i doubt MS is going to be the one for this...
I wouldn't mind a Framework laptop for my next laptop. As long as they're around and upgradable it would result in me doing something like this at some point in the future.
given the slim size of the mainboard, you can create a pretty intense compute cluster out of a bunch of them, using a custom rackmount case. you'll have to get creative with the cooling solution though.
I want to see a framework handheld. I'd even be willing to buy any other electronic components from them if they were willing to sell it. Like Raspberry Pi, tools, etc.
This makes me wonder about macbook to mac mini conversions; would be great for vintage macbooks which battery and operating system support is long gone.
Not sure about M1, but older iIntel MacBooks either won't run at all, or run at significantly lower speeds without a battery connected. Many also won't boot without the keyboard/trackpad connected.
You need to enclose your printer for ABS. Be sure to use a venting system as well. If not venting outside, use a charcoal filter. You do not want to breath in the fumes. Take care.
Idea of something you can do as an addon for the CJ64 or the case, make a laptop screen attachment maybe even with a battery built into it so it can connect with a single type c both powering and adding a display.
NGL, If the 12th gen version is $399-$450 i might get one to turn into a server of some kind. Its small enough that i could probably get 4 nodes into 1U, but i really see this as more of a high end firewall, or a light weight file server with internal battery backup
Im hoping for more Open Source Hardware on a frameworks hardware, We people hate Proprietary, Binary and firmware blobs and closed source :D Wish: 1. Fully Open Source Software and Hardware 2. Full and huge Community support
I really enjoyed this video! I love that basic computing now can be done with such small form factors (and even some light gaming can work with the right integrated GPU and some fast RAM in dual-channel). I did have one question - if you're going to remove the board from the constraints of being in a laptop, why not add an external cooler to it so that it can be used to its fullest capabilities?
i wonder if its possible to fit a Framework mainboard in an old thinkpad an give it new life, I don't have the skills to do it, but it could be a fun project
They should have made a printed cover part that would go in the hole where the battery and other cable are and then if you want those things you don't have to print that part.
Those wireless cables don't pop off that easily unless you are messing around with it too much, if you don't have that plastic part, it should not be a issue. Most laptops don't even have them, nor do most pcie cards that use that style of card in them.
id like to see framework to out (1) AMD options for the laptop (2) beefier Cooler (bigger fan, thicker heatsink) for the mainboard when used as a stand alone PC (3) To have a 3D printable mechanical Keyboard + PC case housing
I am toying with buying the motherboard alone , just to tinker with it. But 500+ € for basically a gimmick... errmm ... I don't know. Still, I'd support them wholeheartedly in their pursuit of an open-source laptop!
Wow, why such a difference in price from the i7-1165G7 and i7-1185G7? They are basically the same part, with just a slight difference in clocks, but most important, the same recommended price from Intel.
Oh yeah I have a random laptop motherboard sitting around from a laptop that the case got destroyed when it fell from a great height. Wonder what to do with that thing or just take it to the ecyclers?
Thanks for sharing… maybe it’s time to dust off my 3D printer… 🤔. Have you noticed any fatigue in the framework chassis as you “borrow” parts for these projects and reassemble the laptop?
it's holding up well. One of the mainbord screw holes in the chassis is striped but that may be my fault, and one of the mainboard internal USB-c connectors is loose and needs to be resoldered.
@@ElevatedSystems Considering the time you have spend both on and off camera creating modules and such, that seems fair. Thanks! I have the i5 Framework. I think my only "complaint" is I am not in love with the 3:2 display ratio, but it has been great otherwise.
If only they did a board and battery in macbook pro configurations, a big market out there for DIYs who are left running Linux on old MacBook hardware. It would be great to swap modern internals into my old late 2013 retina MacBook Pro.
Do you (or does anyone) have a source for the fasteners needed to complete the build? Having a little bit of trouble locating a spot to purchase them... Apparently needs 5 of the mainboard fasteners (M1.6 1.5mm fastener with a 5.5mm diameter T5 head) and 3 of the Audio Board ones (M2 3.0mm fastener with a 4.5mm diameter T5 head). TIA for the help, and thanks for the great guide!
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YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE COOL: A nas case, that slots a framework board in it.
Literally repurpose an old framework board from your laptop to a nas
This, 1000%. That is a perfect use for early adopters who want to upgrade their systems.
Do you know of a good thunderbolt to sata solution? Maybe a TB to PCIe adapter with a PCIe sata card?
@@ElevatedSystems A NAS wouldn't need the PCIe for boot, so why not use a breakout cable, like it's used for graphics cards, to connect a HBA?
Great idea
okay I'm doing this.
Selling the board by itself is AMAZING. It's a great way to get a low power sff pc for normal usage.
I wondered how framework could succeed in the market, but having the possibility to buy components modularly and doing anything with them is awesome. So much possibilities. And you can rebuild it in the form of a laptop whenever you want. I'm hyped
@@padnomnidprenon9672 Get more hype with the news by AMD and aCPU's becoming way more efficient and powerful than they are now. You could have a mainboard this size with the power of a 3060 easily if the numbers aren't lying. Like, that's crazys to think about.
Agreed 👍 and now they have AMD now
@@roetemeteorthink more like 1650 or 3050
This should be called the “MainFrame”, since it’s a Mainboard from a Framework.
While the price value for the from scratch option isn’t great right now, I think as new mainboards come out older models will drop in price. Suddenly having 11th gen i5s at say 300 bucks would be huge for leftover stock/e waste removal.
I really want to see if I can make a Steam Deck like case for the mainboard. There are raspberry pi video games handhelds so it is possible, but as a newbie to 3D printing it would be tricky. Could you do a intro to 3D printing?
Thanks for the great framework content, it really helped me decide to purchase mine.
I started this, I got the battery and cooling solution worked out but I haven't got up the motivation to begin designing the PCBs for the controls.
@@ElevatedSystems That’s awesome, I will eagerly wait for the video on that!
@@ElevatedSystems a proof of concept with something like the gamesir x2 android controller would be a solid option maybe!
Replacement model....
It may vaporize demand of 'sustainability'
@@ElevatedSystems Start with one of those bluetooth clamp controllers meant for tablets as a proof of concept! The controller PCB's could take a while!
Man, I was (and am!) _so_ excited about the industry leading innovation, the revolutionary modularity (and thus customizability and repairability by extension) and the future prospects for the Framework laptop that I was pretty much crapping my pants in disbelief when I first heard about this. Not to mention the fact that, although exceptionally rare for a profit-driven company, I am absolutely head over heels in *LOVE* with the completely transparent, fully modular and 100% open-source way with which the Framework Inc. company does its business! All of the other companies in the business cannot adopt a similar modus operandi soon enough, if you ask me!
Anyone else agree with me about this being an incredibly delicious (and sorely needed) breath of fresh air like you wouldn't believe!? In my humble opinion so much so that I am quite literally having difficulties with putting my excitement and feelings about all of this epicness into the words needed for me just to be able to properly express the extent of exactly how super mega awesome and incredibly uber dank I think this entire Framework concept is! *I love you, Framework* 🤓♥️⚙️!!!!
agree with you
I appreciate all the efforts you make in sharing more framework related videos
My mind is blown how much framework is sharing!
Thank you! Great review. Great advises and comments. Repurposing the main board is really a great option, as well as building all sort of modular pc as the usb c could support an external gpu!
a enclosure for the mainboard with a dedicated GPU is on the drawing board.
You know, with the popularity of tiny form-factor PCs of late, I've often wondered why companies don't just take out their laptop mainboards and put them in small enclosures to act as a full-fledged desktop PC. You have the option to put in a much beefier cooling system than the laptop got - whilst still being able to maintain the overall tiny size - plus considering laptops these days are pretty close to having desktop performance anyway (and that gap is often down to lack of cooling) especially when they come with a discreet GPU you wouldn't really be able to tell that your new gaming rig is actually running off laptop components.
I've seen a whole ton of small form-factor PC builds over the past few years, and they always seem to struggle the most around the size of desktop-grade GPUs, the desktop motherboard not always being the most practical for this form due to the fact the components ON the motherboard are often chunky in size which in turn reduces cooling options (unlike a laptop where everything is as flat as possible to the board which allows the cooling to be thinner and able to be located on top of board much closer), and the size of desktop-grade cooling solutions. Seems to me there's a bit of a gap between desktop components and laptop components where somebody could come in and give us the best of both worlds??
Definitely! As an SFFPC enthusiast I'm desperate for a smaller motherboard standard than ITX because that's one of the limiting factors to go smaller, GPUs and PSUs being the other two. Intel's new NUC 12 Extreme would be the best option right now to pair with a desktop GPU if they released the Compute Element separately. But even that is kinda overkill with its desktop CPU which is not necessary anymore, especially for 4K Gaming.
This Framework motherboard would be perfect if we could strap a Noctua NH-L9i on top of it, a GPU to the back with a PCIe connector and the smallest possible PSU next to the whole thing or the GPU if that's short enough.
Why not just buy a Laptop? Because Laptop GPUs are relatively slow and the fans are loud. If you're only gaming at home noise matters and you're GPU is not limited by batteries.
@@Dionyzos companies like Sliger or even Lian-Li could really corner the market in this niche by making a well thought out design for Framework mainboards. Could really change the SSF market especially if they manufacture a case no bigger than one of those e-gpus but able to fit the mainboard and a RTX monster with insane cooling.
It already does in many AIO pcs...
Simply it does not calls user demands.
funny you mention that i found a few laptop dvd drives in desktops was annoying too since i was replacing the psu and needed a adapter for the power connector.
@@riopato2009 Add Akasa to that list. I would love a passively cooled case like their Turing for the Framework motherbaord.
I think a better idea is to make the wifi antenna retention bracket a printable piece. its just stamped metal.
Framework is awesome I hope they grow big.
with economy of scale this could quickly become the go to for when people need a full desktop power level solution in a more raspi like form factor. Obviously we are still much bigger than raspi, but we're no small enough to easily drop this inside a cheaper tv display housing ( these usually have tons of space left over inside that boards can be attached to.
Framework needs to market these mainboards with the cases included. This is a gamechanger.
I live in the Philippines, and one of the big benefits of being able to leave out RAM, Wi-Fi cards, storage etc. from your order is you're able to pay less taxes getting it shipped here. Plus, you can use your old cards if need be! Lots of e-waste prevented. Definitely going to get my next laptop from Framework.
As far as 3D printing goes I recently switched to 6 mm nozzle and print at 0.4 mm height it actually adds a nice finish to it because the layers are so thick it hides most of the imperfections associated with 3D printing at least on a cheap under three like I have. Plus the time to print is like half and the parts feel a lot stronger.
If you want to print ABS or anything like that you need to enclose your 3D printer to keep the heat up last time I had to use ABS I just put a big cardboard box over the printer and watched it the whole time do the safety concerns with cardboard and hot electronics.
I use thinkpad T430 with docking station and eGPU for almost 7 years and it still good. I think Framework environment is one of the best option to replace my setup in the future.
Yes I first saw that computer on LTT and it is pretty awesome. He even bought into the company after falling in love with the computer he got from them. Love it
AWESOME video! I've really been looking forward to this one, love all your framework content.
REALLY happy to see a non-clickbait-y title or thumbnail. I know creators' reasons to use these, but I hate to see youtube devolve into tabloids for the internet - especailly in the techtuber space.
This high-quality, straightforward video has earned my subscription, and I hope I can stay subscribed for your upcoming content.
Great videos man!!! Greetings from Argentina! Thanks for pulling your laptop apart to share this!
That's actually really cool to hear that they provide all the pinouts for every connector on the board. I could see these boards being used by other OEMs for various things such as signage and other stuff which would be really cool.
It would be a hard sell for signage. Seeing as rpi can handle those tasks for 1/10 the cost.
About printing ABS: you need an enclosure around your printer. Preferably a controlled heated one. Otherwise there is no way to successfully print ABS
yes and fan should be turned off for sure
Not entirely true. Depends on where you live. Some places you can print ABS by putting the 3d printer inside a cabinet or something similar.
Some cool stuff going on here with Framework.
Looks like a milled aluminium case could bring a higher thermal headroom for the device I wonder.
Also, I wonder if it is possible to slap a desktop level cooler onto it so that we could have a sustained all-core boost.
unless the case is actually making proper direct contact to the hot components on the board you probably won't notice a difference, it's mostly the cooling solution and airflow that matter.
I've always liked the idea of slapping a better cooler on a laptop but sadly most laptop boards don't have the necessary mounting holes. especially not in the right places and the area around the cpu is pretty full with important connections so it's not easy to find an area to make holes yourself without destroying the board.
you can try to attach it around the board with some kind of backplate but you'll lose mounting pressure which is pretty essential for heat transfer.
the good thing about framework is it's open source nature and a large tinkering community so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody came up with a good solution at some point!
Wouldn't aluminum act like a giant passive cooler? Modifying the 3d file to accept the heat pipe assembly to act as thermal conduit shouldn't be too difficult but I'm surprised that Framework hasn't offered the specs of the mainboard chassis to layout a mini desktop design. Basically, a milled aluminum block without a display assembly. Better yet offer a direct display connector to display port/hdmi cable for connecting to an external monitor, freeing up the 4 thunderbolt bolt ports for swappable modules. Anyone who can come up with a design that mimics the formfactor that looks like Intel's extreme nucs but can fit the mainboard would have my money the moment they release it.
Buying the mainboard specifically for build a compact pc won't be the best option but re-purposing your old mainboard seems like a crazy deal. Not only you are upgrading your laptop but you are also getting a secondary compact pc as bonus.
Truly revolutionary, this is true innovation! Bravo!
Damn it this is cool. I've been wanting to go the NUC-like route for awhile. I've effectively wanted a laptop with no monitor or HIDs. This is really an exciting product for once.
Nifty project. I enjoyed watching the video even though I don't plan to build something like this.
i found this channel a day or two ago and i love it , please continue to make this type of great and quality content
Love the detailed process and description of the framework possibilities.
I'd love to see someone produce a metal case for the framework laptop mainboard. it wouldn't be cheap but I bet it would look great.
Wow framework is changing the whole game by doing such a great work they need a lot of love and support for what they are doing ❤️ wish they become the Apple of the future which everyone can love unlike the current apple 😂
Love this video. Yes, upgradeability is at a premium considering today's throw-away culture. I've tried replacing laptop motherboards in the past looking to revive an $800 machine, only to be disappointed by the lack of support, voided warranty and lack of PC-level customization and upgradeability. I believe the Framework open hardware business model is the future, upon the heels of a collapsing world economy and the forced return to DIY for sheer survival. Please cover more Framework in the future. Subscribed!
Framework as a company is starting to look better and better. Not only their products are on the verge of being tantalizing, but they also have an end of life strategy, which in my opinion every product should have. These days it's getting more expensive to throw something out than to outright buy the thing itself.
love the mainboard! So much possibilities...would love to build an iMac of sorts
Great video, looking forward to more Framework content!
Really interesting idea, I'm really hoping for this company's success!
I sadly dont have a framework laptop, but if I was to repurpose one I probably would use it as a server because it's small, has a laptop SOC, meaning only very little power consumption, and as you said it's fun to work with
A quality content
incase u have time, would love to see a tablet made of frame work spare parts
look up @whatthefilament he has a design for one.
@@ElevatedSystems yes i saw that, just wanted to see a working prototype
well, u r the only one with consistent framework related uploads
Thanks
as long you making content its fine to wait and good luck on your moving !!!
a monitor with PD would be a nice pairing
I have one on the way but it a 40" 5K2K ultrawide so it's a bit overkill for this project.
AMAZING WORK!!!
If I win the lottery:
I'm going to make my OWN repairable laptop company! But with all my parts being sized and interchangeable with the framework stuff. Mainboard the same layout, use the expansion cards, etc. It would be neat to have a bunch of folk making main components all following that form factor.
For the Wi-Fi most laptops have a place for the wires to stay so it’s not putting pressure on the connectors and a piece of tape to further secure it. Frameworks solution is best I’ve seen but also I’ve never had them pop off without have been messing with the inside of the laptop
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but ASA is a great alternative to ABS that's less prone to warping. Generally an adhesive and no fan is good enough to get good prints.
just found your channel, love all the cool projects you look at! nice work
This also looks super cool if you want to repurpose a framework laptop into a little home server
Man this is awesome, if the laptop kinda dies you can buy parts and they give out files to make it into a small desktop pc in case you got and old one and might need a little home theater pc.
Can't wait for the Framework II, the performance and battery life is what's keeping me from the Framework I.
a 12th gen with mostly e cores will be perfect.
I love the idea of making your own case. I remember your video building the keyboard enclosure and that was great. What about doing a modified version of Framework's 3d printed case that directly attached to an eGPU enclosure, making it into a pseudo-desktop?
I just wish they would offer a footprint model for the board, but this is beyond what I expected any company to do
When time comes and i upgrade my framework, i will use the old board for a low power home server system. Since it has tb i would probably build some kind of Blade server style chassis to slot in more boards if the home lab
grows.
if you want higher temp 3d prints with less struggles over ABS look into HIPS or ASA both work well and print much simpler then ABS
Can you add a graphics card via PCI or M.2? That'd be awesome!
As far as I remember you can use an external enclosure on it
A sound dampening design might be interesting. Increase sound dampening while keeping airflow.
I hope they paid you well for this, wow great stuff.
Nobody has paid me for any video I've produced, ever.
@ElevatedSystems Wow, I can't say enough thanks for the content. Your love for technology is much appreciated and even though this may have not been sponsored you certainly brought profits to many.
I would love to see that motherboard in a sweet old x220/230 series thinkpad with the 7 row and touchpoint
I'm in the buy it to support them camp.
So the antenna hold down thingy is by no means specific to Framework, that is a standard m.2 wifi module. The strap on many is a simple single step flap with one hole. There are also plastic clip on style, seems that would be ripe for 3d printing.
I rarely use the darn things, if you route the wire so it doesn't try to pop off the connector you should be fine.
Awesome video!
Hmmm utilizing framework mainboard for a plasma bigscreen setup box sounds like fun, just need a hdmi cec expansion card 🤔
Turn the part cooling fans off in your slicer and put a cardboard box over your printer and let it get nice and warm there before printing with ABS. Should be able to get you there especially with an ABS+ type filament.
Great idea.
I could see this being popular for kiosk builds, cashier or mall navigation and the like... plus it could allow plug and play if the admin set it up nicely and on a lightweight OS... i doubt MS is going to be the one for this...
I wouldn't mind a Framework laptop for my next laptop. As long as they're around and upgradable it would result in me doing something like this at some point in the future.
This is so cool
Man this is really cool.
After a few year of upgrades, you get a few tiny servers. Hahaha
given the slim size of the mainboard, you can create a pretty intense compute cluster out of a bunch of them, using a custom rackmount case. you'll have to get creative with the cooling solution though.
Imagine making a custom bracket and swapping the cooling solution for a desktop one, I feel that would be amazing project.
Have you been in my Fusion 360 files? 😜
@@ElevatedSystems Sadly no, but this would have been one of the first projects I would have done on the mainboard if I had one.
Nice!
look forward for tablet mod for framework!!!
I want to see a framework handheld. I'd even be willing to buy any other electronic components from them if they were willing to sell it. Like Raspberry Pi, tools, etc.
This could probably be perfect for a server pc
Going to buy just a mainboard for a project.
2 days ago? The video came out 5hrs ago as of writing
@@Fish9133 You should become a patreon. You can get more info about stuff and early access to videos!
Great Video!
This makes me wonder about macbook to mac mini conversions; would be great for vintage macbooks which battery and operating system support is long gone.
Not sure about M1, but older iIntel MacBooks either won't run at all, or run at significantly lower speeds without a battery connected. Many also won't boot without the keyboard/trackpad connected.
Using the "scraps" from an upgrade to create a HTPC could be a decent use for the device.
You need to enclose your printer for ABS. Be sure to use a venting system as well. If not venting outside, use a charcoal filter. You do not want to breath in the fumes. Take care.
Idea of something you can do as an addon for the CJ64 or the case, make a laptop screen attachment maybe even with a battery built into it so it can connect with a single type c both powering and adding a display.
So you want to turn a framework laptop into... Another laptop? :)
@@pigworts2 and? This is a way to make something interesting without buying the full set once 12th gen comes out.
NGL, If the 12th gen version is $399-$450 i might get one to turn into a server of some kind. Its small enough that i could probably get 4 nodes into 1U, but i really see this as more of a high end firewall, or a light weight file server with internal battery backup
i would use the holes for the battery to make a standing base so de pc can be mounted vertically
Im hoping for more Open Source Hardware on a frameworks hardware, We people hate Proprietary, Binary and firmware blobs and closed source :D
Wish:
1. Fully Open Source Software and Hardware
2. Full and huge Community support
Nice! But what about a table with this board? 🤔
I really enjoyed this video! I love that basic computing now can be done with such small form factors (and even some light gaming can work with the right integrated GPU and some fast RAM in dual-channel).
I did have one question - if you're going to remove the board from the constraints of being in a laptop, why not add an external cooler to it so that it can be used to its fullest capabilities?
i wonder if its possible to fit a Framework mainboard in an old thinkpad an give it new life, I don't have the skills to do it, but it could be a fun project
They should have made a printed cover part that would go in the hole where the battery and other cable are and then if you want those things you don't have to print that part.
Try eSun ABS+ its MUCH easier to print on a uncovered 3d Printer.
Those wireless cables don't pop off that easily unless you are messing around with it too much, if you don't have that plastic part, it should not be a issue. Most laptops don't even have them, nor do most pcie cards that use that style of card in them.
I would normally agree, but these Intel AX210 cards have horrible connectors. The antenna wires will literally just pop off for no reason.
i think framework should sell this on there store
A bigger cooler, but fan and maxing the cpu at 45W could make for a increase in overall cpu and gpu performance
id like to see framework to out
(1) AMD options for the laptop
(2) beefier Cooler (bigger fan, thicker heatsink) for the mainboard when used as a stand alone PC
(3) To have a 3D printable mechanical Keyboard + PC case housing
I am toying with buying the motherboard alone , just to tinker with it. But 500+ € for basically a gimmick... errmm ... I don't know.
Still, I'd support them wholeheartedly in their pursuit of an open-source laptop!
Well, that's neat. They really need to make an ethernet expansion card, though.
Wow, why such a difference in price from the i7-1165G7 and i7-1185G7? They are basically the same part, with just a slight difference in clocks, but most important, the same recommended price from Intel.
I think because you get VPro on the i7-1185G7. Could also be other things.
@@Computerdude1500 Again, on Intel's website you can see both parts are listed at the same price.
It's because of the other standards to support VPro. It's more than just a different CPU.
Oh yeah I have a random laptop motherboard sitting around from a laptop that the case got destroyed when it fell from a great height. Wonder what to do with that thing or just take it to the ecyclers?
Thanks for sharing… maybe it’s time to dust off my 3D printer… 🤔. Have you noticed any fatigue in the framework chassis as you “borrow” parts for these projects and reassemble the laptop?
it's holding up well. One of the mainbord screw holes in the chassis is striped but that may be my fault, and one of the mainboard internal USB-c connectors is loose and needs to be resoldered.
@@ElevatedSystems Considering the time you have spend both on and off camera creating modules and such, that seems fair. Thanks! I have the i5 Framework. I think my only "complaint" is I am not in love with the 3:2 display ratio, but it has been great otherwise.
If only they did a board and battery in macbook pro configurations, a big market out there for DIYs who are left running Linux on old MacBook hardware. It would be great to swap modern internals into my old late 2013 retina MacBook Pro.
im just waiting for when we can buy them in Australia
still waiting for a 17" chassis... (with more connectivity options)
Do you (or does anyone) have a source for the fasteners needed to complete the build? Having a little bit of trouble locating a spot to purchase them... Apparently needs 5 of the mainboard fasteners (M1.6 1.5mm fastener with a 5.5mm diameter T5 head) and 3 of the Audio Board ones (M2 3.0mm fastener with a 4.5mm diameter T5 head). TIA for the help, and thanks for the great guide!
You can use M2 SSD mounting screws to secure everything.
Now I can’t wait for my new Framework laptop to be obsolete so I can repurpose it…is it me or this a whole new world?
8:04 i think that bracket can be modeled and 3d printed.
Amd soon. 😊