Or companies might start attacking Framework because they will think that planned obsolescence will hasten the pace of innovation Or they will just say that repairability is just a communist idea
I'm still rocking my 1st gen Framework and it's the best laptop I've owned in over 20 years! People need to know how solid the performance is in tandem with the design. I will happily talk your ear off about how great this company / product is.
@@Hans-gb4mvyes and no, if anything dies on the laptop, you can much more easily repair yourself-saving you money to offset any upfront disparity in cost. Would have come in handy when my Dell XPS 13 died on me a few years ago
@@FlashGamer521 To my eyes the company is doing a lot better than many. In 30years i hope every single company is not run by a chairman driven infinite growth rate petty unrealistic economy
I understand that cheaper lower end electronics will prioritize cost over repairability, but expensive mac books, etc. have no excuse for their anti repair design practices, especially to the point when they patch holes when people find ways to repair parts that we're intended for repair.
Framework is the nightmare of traditional manufacturers. Not because it is a competitor to the point of harming the sales of others, but to DESTROY the various false arguments that have been given in recent years that it is impossible to make something repairable without compromising quality or size.
It's impossible to do economically which is everything for most companies beholden to shareholders in the stock market. Just read Engadget's review of the framework 16 lol
Tbf, laptop with similar performance is cheaper or has better built quality than this. And as a user I'd like to have not only better performance but also better screen, trackpad, keyboard etc when it's time for an upgrade so I'm not sure I'll be having framework anytime soon.
@@nabara6949Too bad that finding something that is an upgrade over your old laptop in all aspects quickly becomes an impossible endeavour. Sure, if your first laptop had an Intel Celeron single core, then you can probably get something better than it in everything simply by spending more. But once you have a good laptop, your future upgrade might still be a step down in screen quality, dimensions, weight, rigidity, keyboard, trackpad, cooling, RAM capacity (particularly when soldered), sound quality or loudness... I always have one single reason why a laptop of mine would need to be replaced. For my first laptop, the motherboard had issues and performance was somewhat lacking, but the actual body of it was very pleasant (keyboard, chassis rigidity, etc.). My second laptop had much better performance, but the cheap plastic started to crack all over, and I could no longer use some of its ports. Even the plastic in the hinge cracked. But if I could combine the two strong points of these laptops, I would use them with no issues even today.
lol at the coping answers. it's not a black and white matter, Framework overdoing modularity to the extreme doesn't justify the outright hostile designs of every other manufacturer on the opposite extreme, who just flat out lies and claims it's a design requirement for the magic stardust inside
@@nabara6949 My reply was seemingly deleted, but usually I would have kept most of what my old laptop had when I need to upgrade it. Furthermore, you will find it impossible to find a laptop that is better than your current one in all aspects. There will be some where it might become a downgrade, be it in display capability, rigidity, sound quality, compactness, weight, size, port selection, etc.
technically there not that hard to repair. its finding replacement parts which can be hard to find or impossible to get unless you salvage from donor laptops.
@@M1szS idk about that i see youtube videos of people repairing macbooks all the time. ie louisrossman who made a living off repairing macbooks that broke easily.
2:32 "(...) throwback to a more civilized age (...)" Such great wording on this. Specially with the soldered components period we are currently living.
Yep. My first ever Dell laptop from the late 90s (or possibly 2000-2001?) had quite a few similarities to this. It had two swappable module spaces at the front for things like a floppy drive, CD drive, card reader, and battery. I could easily change out the memory and hard disk, and of course it had a PCMCIA slot as well for all my networking needs. Everything was so easy back then. I really want one of these Framework laptops, they look amazing!!
But that's not when it won't happen. Because the business model is based on components... They are sponsored by IT giants. You are more likely to take a cheap laptop to the service...
@@nomecognome2 It's truly a shame, that wanting to service your own things makes you a "tech savvy geek". So no, you're not a "'pro", if you don't even know how the thing you own work...
@@TheParkanyi I like devices that offer great performance, great durability, good design and great longevity which is why I bought a MacBook 7 years ago. The framework I think is an amazing idea which would only work out for some people
This is fantastic. I'm also pleased to see that they are making the schematics available to repair shops, although it would be nice if they were made available to everybody - It's not clear on their site whether or not Framework would make them available to end-users who wished to repair their own equipment.
They likely have their hands tied, as the full schematics probably includes bits of IP from other brands (Intel, AMD, and so on). I've never tried obtaining a schematic directly from Framework, but I think they'll just make you sign an NDA before giving you access...
If you asked nicely for it perhaps they would but yeah as said above it probably has to do with 3rd party IPs, their board partners, manufacturers or even just plain not wanting to get their laptop replicad and sold on taobao
It is an IP issue, Louis Rossman talked about conversations he had regarding this. Apparently making schematics available at all was a challenge for them. It isn't so much major silicon manufacturers like AMD and Intel it's more ODMs who do a lot of the backbone design of things like the motherboard and integrated functions like WIFI, charging, IO etcetera. There are manufacturers like system 76 which are more open with schematics but they are more expensive and less polished. Using ODM based components was a compromise they chose for the sake of mass market viability. I wouldn't be suprised if schematics end up 'leaking' online though.
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Looks like I’ve just found my new notebook! Nice :)
What I find the most great about the Framework laptop is how it's good for both basic and advanced users. It's like a dream for every amateur electronics fan that may get roped into troubleshooting for both themselves and those that rope them into it
I am a proud owner of their 13-in and if the 16-in makes good on its smaller brothers design philosophy, a lot of users will be very happy with this laptop. The weakest part of the 13 inch for me is the keyboard and from initial reviews it doesn't look like it's any better here. But in frameworks defense it's hard to make a much better keyboard and still have it removable so I'll take the slightly less than perfect experience over not being able to repair it when something breaks. For the inevitable comments, yes you do pay a premium for a framework device, but it's not a brand tax. You're paying more because of how the device is designed. It is more expensive to build modular but in the long run it's probably going to save me money compared to buying yet another XPS like I have been doing for the last 10 years. I don't anticipate changing the chassis on my 13-in in a couple of years when I upgrade the main board. I also don't foresee me having to change some other parts of it either. It's not for everyone and the modularity does come with some sacrifices but part of frameworks mission is the same mission statement that Tesla had starting out before Elon purchased it, which is to push the rest of the market into the future and I'm willing to support that.
10/10 score absolutely earned. Brilliant teardown! I wish Framework will someday sell a phone which will also respect the environment and the consumer like this incredible laptop.
@@平和-v1z That really doesn't hold any water. My LG G6 from many years ago was IP68 with micro SD slot, and headphone jack. Not to mention the Galaxy Note 9. They could make the battery "waterproof" but a headphone jack was too much? C'mon.
I own a FW16 and it’s truly amazing, that those 5 minutes show every step you need to disassemble every single part. I tried it. This is completely mindblowing and I love this laptop so much.
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Love it. This is not just great for repairability but also for upgradeability. I can't wait for Thunderbolt 5/USB4 v2 support to improve on the modularity of the ports.
OMG iFixit without you this company or wonderful device would not exist to this day. I am so surprised by the modularity and I feel if power efficient RISC architectures come into these devices with proper software support the laptop era will be relaunched :)
@@zeriah THIS and to add to it, Their marketing is working, Guess who the non-techies ask what laptop to get. Do right by enthusiasts and your goodwill to consumers will trickle down. I did a consult with a small to medium size startup last year and sold them on framework, their IT department was beyond excited for the ease in repairs. I wish Framework all the sucess in the world.
@qui11 You're literally banking on them making two laptops at that price and that both are good. Not a guarantee, given just how s**tty 2024 laptops look to be.
@@cameronbosch1213 plenty of great laptops on sale over the course of the year and especially during black friday ranging from $500 to $1000. 2-3x less than Framework 16. Idk, I never had a bad gaming laptop until it became obsolete in 5-7 years. Economically, it's still better to buy 1 good laptop then buy another one after 5-7 years. Environmentally, obviously Framework is seeking to reduce e-waste
More and learn about this laptop the more I want it. Those modular ports are great, and the ability to change the layout the keyboard amazing. Only if it didn't cost so much or I didn't have a capable desktop, I would go out and get one right now.
It's fun to see the argument between those who like framework design and those who don't. I on the other hand is all for it. Who still remember the time when almost everything inside a laptop is accessible through the various hatches at the back of the laptop? During the time when the battery can be removed with just a single button press, when the ram sticks was accessible with just removing a single screw to remove a plastic cover. The time when disassembling a laptop was easier than frying an egg. Framework is simply bringing that back and more. It's not all about the value of framework laptops bring into the table, it's about proving a point. That easily repairable devices are still a viable thing.
My old Gateway laptop was east to disassemble. I still remember the model number, MD2614U. I currently have a framework system in the coolermaster case. If I ever need another one I will definitely purchase from framework. These designs give the users full and total control, the way it should be. These are perfect with an Arch Linux install.
its wild to see this kind of laptops, my 10 year old MSI GT72 (aside from the usual 2 dimslots on the other side, and the mid frame, was pretty much super upgradable, having the GPU/RAM/SSDs/HDDs and fans/cooling etc accesible just by removing the bottom cover
I fricking LOVE framework. I bought my 13 last year and its holding up so well, its really hard to buy them second hand because everyone who has one loves it. Super awesome device
Framework is the first modern consumer-grade smart device manufacturer that can score more than 1/10 in *USER* repairability rating. When I get the money, I am 100% buying Framework, unless others manufacturers catch up (doubt about it).
No, Dell and HP already have extremely modular laptops, they just cost 2500 euros for the starter model, they are professional work machines with replaceable GPU's, memory, harddrive, wifi card, storage and so on and so forth and they support up to 4 x storage devices. And then there is Clevo which even has replaceable CPU's
If Framework releases a ortholinear keyboard insert, I'll buy one immediately. I rarely use my laptop because I hate staggered keys. A ortholinear board would give the Framework something I can't get anywhere else in a laptop, making it an instant buy.
So excited to get mine. Really looking forward to it, it's so cool seeing coverage of it already. Might upgrade the WiFi card when I get mine, though I'll have to see how it's WiFi performance is on it's own too.
I can't help buy wonder where we would be today if this kind of modularity and repairability had been retained decades ago when Apple dabled in it 20 years ago with thier pizmo laptops. It probably wouldn't be the monster this laptop is, regardless if I was a windows guy this would be at the top of my list. I can see with a bit more refinement framework becoming huge as people get sick of being screwed by disposable junk.
This zig-zagging pattern isn't something to be ignored. It helps with alignment and making sure equal pressure is applied. When done with cpu/gpu cooler, you can cause damage by not fastening iteratively in an alternating diagonal pattern. Helps with screw alignment too
I love what framework is trying to do. When my laptop eventually becomes slow and unusable daily. I will definitely go for a framework 16 as I would like to have a dedicated GPU. It's the only reason why I didn't go for a framework laptop yet.
Upgradebility and easy repair is everything for me. I bought cheap laptop in 2018. witch i am using even today. In meantime i upgraded ssd from 128gb to 1tb, put 4gb of ram more, replaced keyboard, cleaned laptop internals few times , put new hdd of 4tb, used 3 different oses, both windows and linux. and laptop will serve me for couple of years more. And that is real value for money.
I mean, removable RAM shouldn't bring tears to ones eyes, but with how all the manufacturers treat RAM these days it's unfortunately now a rarity. What brings tears to my eyes is the fully swappable and upgradable motherboard and GPU! Legit, other brands had better be taking notice! This is what we've been wanting since the inception of laptops. Really happy they earned a 10/10! Fully deservered.
The only issue being that they're not sold in places where e-waste proliferation is at its highest, which is pretty much everywhere in the global south
It's great to keep things in use for as long as possible, and Framework has shown this to be a priority in their design. So with that being said, the best laptop for me right now is the one I already have (and probably is the case with most users). I've got a nice 4 year old speced out Dell XPS, but once it dies (or no longer meets my needs), you can bet I'll be considering one of these! Also I really hope Framework comes out with a drop-in OLED option. A lot of high end laptops are coming with OLED screens; I'd happily pay a premium for that.
Doesn't OLED have burn-in issues though? Kind of defeats the purpose of avoiding e-waste. Maybe Mini-LED for now until MicroLED becomes a thing in like 10 years.
I've had my Dell XPS OLED since 2020. I recently checked it for burn-in and was actually quite impressed! No issues! But I looked very, very hard (I have great closeup vision btw), I could maybe *barely* make out the start button (on a solid grey screen), but even that could have been my eyes playing tricks on me. And even if I did get mild burn-in, it's not like it renders it unusable. Point being, My laptop will likely become outdated long before burn-in becomes an issue. @@cameronbosch1213
Been usinf the FW 13 AMD version for 2 months now and loving it. My old HP laptop was 11 years old so it was time for an upgrade. I was looking for a laptop between 13 and 14 inches and was bouncing between options from hp, lenovo, and even apple because i didnt know the existence of framework. I almost pulled the trigger on a macbook air 13 because it was on sale for the black friday but it was 8gb of ram and 256 of storage and both of them soldered to the motherboard... that should be banned rigth now. Searching online i found this company and i love their philosophy, the user can upgrade everything and the company gives you the manuals and acces to the parts It is true that fot the price that you pay you don´t get the same specs as other companies, that is true for example in the screen of the FW 13 but the design is really good and you know that in the future you can upgrade your computer without any issue. We really should support this companies that are making thing different and really caring about the users and the eviroment and not only using empty words like apple does.
After replacing a graphics module on an elitebook 8760w I must say that this is way easier to replace than the elitebook's which is 13 years old now. This is truly a step in the right direction.
TIL expansion cards on a framework use USB-C. That's amazing, especially for the storage expansion cards. One can pop it out and use it on a different system for data transfer.
When my Dell XPS kicks the bucket my next laptop will be a Framework. I hope ARM laptops come sooner rather than later, I'd love an Arm Framework but that might be asking a little too much.
These laptops are incredible. Although I'm pretty sad that there is no official shipment to russia and also no official cyrillic keyboard option, but those are not the biggest issues for me. The price is quite high for a piece of tech, although it is probably fair. I would need to save up 2-3 months to even have enough money to buy this thing. But I think it would be 140% worth it.
Even with its faults, I have to admit this is the best laptop that has ever released in my lifetime when it comes to repair-ability and getting open source replacement parts.
First 10/10? I actually think the battery, ram and ssd should be replaceable without having to take the back-panel off. But yes repairablity and replacablity is not the same thing I love most things about this laptop except the price point. Yes it’s on par-ish with the competition but it’s still to pricey for me. I hope budget options comes out as well because I want to buy one of their laptops.
This gives me joy to see 😀 It’s a bit like the days of the Dell c series where many parts were interchangeable and modular to some extent - I remember doing CPU swaps and changing from CD to DVD drives or even having 2 batteries. Framework should be the benchmark for others in terms of what can be achieved when cynical corporate agendas are not a factor - much like Fairphone’s design philosophy of easy to replace parts. If Framework can support the formats across models and modules for over 5 years then it’s a win 🏆
The only thing that hold me back from buying a framework is the CPU. Ever since Apple released the M-series chips, I would always prefer ARM chip on a portable device for it extensive battery life and performance. The X Elite from quad comm is bring me hope to have an ARM framework laptop. But I doubted if there is enough market for framework to release an ARM cpu board at all. Also, I don't think quad comm is cooperative enough to let framework have their cpu at all. Support of ARM chip on Windows is not a concern for me at all, because I am a Gentoo user. As long as we can see an ARM framework, I will give my money.
The Framework laptop is the "Apple" of Modularity, Upgradability, Repairability, and as a consequence, Longevity. Americans who constantly teach about "Going Green" must support this company and help it go Global in terms of sales and service.
I definitely want this as my next laptop. It's literally the best out there, because you're not really losing anything if you go for it. It has fast CPU and GPU, fine battery life, and if something ever breaks you can easily swap it out, there's no reason to not go for this laptop.
You're right, but unfortunately the framework laptops take it to such extreme the hardware will be absolete sooner than it would require any repair. Building reparable devices is a choice for a company, but unfortunately we don't have much choice if we want light laptops with long battery life powered by arm..
@@Eliasu1150 I don't mean repairable laptops are going to become obsolete any faster than the ones from less consumer friendly competitors. I mean that while it's nice being able to replace wear parts (batteries, SSDs, some I\O ports), there's not much demand to replace CPUs and GPUs on laptops. Don't get me wrong, I really support repairing your own devices and I've done it a lot myself because I actually believe that creating repairable product means creating more sustainable product. But the problem is that, at the moment, framework laptops doesn't really stand any competition with macintosh computers at the moment, if you need a compact and lightweight arm-based computer with long battery life. But I will hope it will improve once we have more arm based solutions for laptops and not just chromebooks and apple silicon.
I really wish manufacturers of components would swam in for this. For example: Keyboard: Razor, Logitech, Daskeyboard Cooling: Noctua for cooling components (we already have cooler master) Speakers: Bose, Sony, Denon, B&W, B&O, Yamah etc. Screens: Samsung, LG, Sony Batteries: Panasonic, Energizer, Duracell etc. P.S when you don’t have that number pad, instead of those flashy lights…they should offer speakers!
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Framework showing other OEMs what true repairability is. Again.
Or companies might start attacking Framework because they will think that planned obsolescence will hasten the pace of innovation
Or they will just say that repairability is just a communist idea
I'm still rocking my 1st gen Framework and it's the best laptop I've owned in over 20 years! People need to know how solid the performance is in tandem with the design. I will happily talk your ear off about how great this company / product is.
While the laptop is great, you do compromise on other things. e.g a higher cost and a slightly more bulky design.
@@Hans-gb4mvyes and no, if anything dies on the laptop, you can much more easily repair yourself-saving you money to offset any upfront disparity in cost. Would have come in handy when my Dell XPS 13 died on me a few years ago
@@Hans-gb4mvoh yes, soo bulky.. Not like i am literally afraid of breaking my HP in half everytime i use it. I would like some more bulk actually
This company deserves a huge bravo.
Like IFIX IT
Framework or iFixit?
@@kenshiromilesvt.7037Yes.
@@kenshiromilesvt.7037both, I think
@@kenshiromilesvt.7037Both.
THIS is the direction all equipment should be designed.
It's certainly interesting... but honestly, I would be shocked if the company is still around 30 years from now.
@@FlashGamer521 To my eyes the company is doing a lot better than many.
In 30years i hope every single company is not run by a chairman driven infinite growth rate petty unrealistic economy
I understand that cheaper lower end electronics will prioritize cost over repairability, but expensive mac books, etc. have no excuse for their anti repair design practices, especially to the point when they patch holes when people find ways to repair parts that we're intended for repair.
Thanks but no thanks.
@@ericmatthews8497expand please. You don't want to be able to fix at least minor issues of your device?
Framework is the nightmare of traditional manufacturers. Not because it is a competitor to the point of harming the sales of others, but to DESTROY the various false arguments that have been given in recent years that it is impossible to make something repairable without compromising quality or size.
It's impossible to do economically which is everything for most companies beholden to shareholders in the stock market. Just read Engadget's review of the framework 16 lol
Tbf, laptop with similar performance is cheaper or has better built quality than this. And as a user I'd like to have not only better performance but also better screen, trackpad, keyboard etc when it's time for an upgrade so I'm not sure I'll be having framework anytime soon.
@@nabara6949Too bad that finding something that is an upgrade over your old laptop in all aspects quickly becomes an impossible endeavour.
Sure, if your first laptop had an Intel Celeron single core, then you can probably get something better than it in everything simply by spending more. But once you have a good laptop, your future upgrade might still be a step down in screen quality, dimensions, weight, rigidity, keyboard, trackpad, cooling, RAM capacity (particularly when soldered), sound quality or loudness...
I always have one single reason why a laptop of mine would need to be replaced. For my first laptop, the motherboard had issues and performance was somewhat lacking, but the actual body of it was very pleasant (keyboard, chassis rigidity, etc.). My second laptop had much better performance, but the cheap plastic started to crack all over, and I could no longer use some of its ports. Even the plastic in the hinge cracked. But if I could combine the two strong points of these laptops, I would use them with no issues even today.
lol at the coping answers.
it's not a black and white matter, Framework overdoing modularity to the extreme doesn't justify the outright hostile designs of every other manufacturer on the opposite extreme, who just flat out lies and claims it's a design requirement for the magic stardust inside
@@nabara6949 My reply was seemingly deleted, but usually I would have kept most of what my old laptop had when I need to upgrade it. Furthermore, you will find it impossible to find a laptop that is better than your current one in all aspects. There will be some where it might become a downgrade, be it in display capability, rigidity, sound quality, compactness, weight, size, port selection, etc.
Devices are so hard to repair that seeing this teardown gave me nostalgia from the early 2000's
technically there not that hard to repair. its finding replacement parts which can be hard to find or impossible to get unless you salvage from donor laptops.
@elcactuar3354 grammar police in the house 😆
@elcactuar3354 how about no.....
@@LCJammer even with donor parts, something like macbook is still hard to repair, or in the case of a failed ssd, impossible
@@M1szS idk about that i see youtube videos of people repairing macbooks all the time. ie louisrossman who made a living off repairing macbooks that broke easily.
2:32 "(...) throwback to a more civilized age (...)"
Such great wording on this. Specially with the soldered components period we are currently living.
Yep. My first ever Dell laptop from the late 90s (or possibly 2000-2001?) had quite a few similarities to this. It had two swappable module spaces at the front for things like a floppy drive, CD drive, card reader, and battery. I could easily change out the memory and hard disk, and of course it had a PCMCIA slot as well for all my networking needs. Everything was so easy back then. I really want one of these Framework laptops, they look amazing!!
IF only Framework sold their laptops to more countries, could be game changer for pro users!
But that's not when it won't happen. Because the business model is based on components... They are sponsored by IT giants. You are more likely to take a cheap laptop to the service...
Pro users don’t care about this kind of laptop, they’ll buy macbooks or XPS’s. Framework just makes laptops for tech savvy geeks
@ilbufalantdellefigurine4488 *Are you sure about that?*
@@nomecognome2 It's truly a shame, that wanting to service your own things makes you a "tech savvy geek". So no, you're not a "'pro", if you don't even know how the thing you own work...
@@TheParkanyi I like devices that offer great performance, great durability, good design and great longevity which is why I bought a MacBook 7 years ago. The framework I think is an amazing idea which would only work out for some people
Incredible 😍
I'd be worried if a laptop designed for repairability earned any score other than 10/10. Well done, Framework.
The only logical comment here
I could see a super thin Framework laptop getting 8/10. I could be okay with it if it's easy to use as a tablet and very light for carrying.
what a breath of fresh air to see an OEM actually care about repairability and upgradeability
It is a huge part of there business model.
That's how you design for repairability! Great job framework!
Swappable GPU
This is fantastic. I'm also pleased to see that they are making the schematics available to repair shops, although it would be nice if they were made available to everybody - It's not clear on their site whether or not Framework would make them available to end-users who wished to repair their own equipment.
They likely have their hands tied, as the full schematics probably includes bits of IP from other brands (Intel, AMD, and so on). I've never tried obtaining a schematic directly from Framework, but I think they'll just make you sign an NDA before giving you access...
If you asked nicely for it perhaps they would but yeah as said above it probably has to do with 3rd party IPs, their board partners, manufacturers or even just plain not wanting to get their laptop replicad and sold on taobao
It is an IP issue, Louis Rossman talked about conversations he had regarding this. Apparently making schematics available at all was a challenge for them. It isn't so much major silicon manufacturers like AMD and Intel it's more ODMs who do a lot of the backbone design of things like the motherboard and integrated functions like WIFI, charging, IO etcetera.
There are manufacturers like system 76 which are more open with schematics but they are more expensive and less polished. Using ODM based components was a compromise they chose for the sake of mass market viability.
I wouldn't be suprised if schematics end up 'leaking' online though.
Looks like I’ve just found my new notebook! Nice :)
What I find the most great about the Framework laptop is how it's good for both basic and advanced users. It's like a dream for every amateur electronics fan that may get roped into troubleshooting for both themselves and those that rope them into it
I am SO in. This laptop is the best thing to happen in the space for the last decade.
I am a proud owner of their 13-in and if the 16-in makes good on its smaller brothers design philosophy, a lot of users will be very happy with this laptop. The weakest part of the 13 inch for me is the keyboard and from initial reviews it doesn't look like it's any better here. But in frameworks defense it's hard to make a much better keyboard and still have it removable so I'll take the slightly less than perfect experience over not being able to repair it when something breaks.
For the inevitable comments, yes you do pay a premium for a framework device, but it's not a brand tax. You're paying more because of how the device is designed. It is more expensive to build modular but in the long run it's probably going to save me money compared to buying yet another XPS like I have been doing for the last 10 years. I don't anticipate changing the chassis on my 13-in in a couple of years when I upgrade the main board. I also don't foresee me having to change some other parts of it either.
It's not for everyone and the modularity does come with some sacrifices but part of frameworks mission is the same mission statement that Tesla had starting out before Elon purchased it, which is to push the rest of the market into the future and I'm willing to support that.
At least here in the US, it looks like one upgrade cycle, maybe two, would be all you need for that premium to pay for itself. Works for me!
10/10 score absolutely earned. Brilliant teardown!
I wish Framework will someday sell a phone which will also respect the environment and the consumer like this incredible laptop.
Like the fairphone?
@@arzosah112 Yeah, but better. They really tried to convince people that they removed the headphone jack for "longevity" and "waterproofing"...
@@平和-v1z That really doesn't hold any water. My LG G6 from many years ago was IP68 with micro SD slot, and headphone jack. Not to mention the Galaxy Note 9. They could make the battery "waterproof" but a headphone jack was too much? C'mon.
@@szalaigabor1714thats the reason I still have my S10 just because of audio jack and it still manages to be waterproof
God dammed fairphone had to remove the dam headphonejack. 😢 no longer worth it.
I own a FW16 and it’s truly amazing, that those 5 minutes show every step you need to disassemble every single part. I tried it. This is completely mindblowing and I love this laptop so much.
Waiting for Framework to start selling in Sweden. Will be an instant purchase.
Du kan ju beställa från andra eu länder nu, dom tilllåter att betalkortet kommer från ett annat land. När skattepengarna kommer så ska jag beställa en.
same for poland
@@M1szSThey started shipping a couple of days ago iirc
@@marcels.7074 yeah I got the email, thx for saying tho
The shade towards CES WOW! we stan framework
Love it. This is not just great for repairability but also for upgradeability. I can't wait for Thunderbolt 5/USB4 v2 support to improve on the modularity of the ports.
I saw a prototype of the Framework 16 at LTX 2023. Happy to see this laptop again since it's amazing.
OMG iFixit without you this company or wonderful device would not exist to this day.
I am so surprised by the modularity and I feel if power efficient RISC architectures come into these devices with proper software support the laptop era will be relaunched :)
If I ever get another laptop, I'm most definitely going to choose framework!
Same. While I don't plan to buy a new laptop in the next few years, my next one will *definitely* be a Framework.
@@zeriah THIS and to add to it, Their marketing is working, Guess who the non-techies ask what laptop to get. Do right by enthusiasts and your goodwill to consumers will trickle down. I did a consult with a small to medium size startup last year and sold them on framework, their IT department was beyond excited for the ease in repairs. I wish Framework all the sucess in the world.
I love Framework but if you can get 2 gaming laptops of same level of performance for the same price of 1 framework, framework is a hard buy.
@qui11 You're literally banking on them making two laptops at that price and that both are good. Not a guarantee, given just how s**tty 2024 laptops look to be.
@@cameronbosch1213 plenty of great laptops on sale over the course of the year and especially during black friday ranging from $500 to $1000. 2-3x less than Framework 16.
Idk, I never had a bad gaming laptop until it became obsolete in 5-7 years. Economically, it's still better to buy 1 good laptop then buy another one after 5-7 years.
Environmentally, obviously Framework is seeking to reduce e-waste
Battery indicator light is awesome -- not only good for safety, but it can help diagnose a power issue!
What an incredibly built notebook.
I love the way how they use that plate to connect the graphic module.
More and learn about this laptop the more I want it. Those modular ports are great, and the ability to change the layout the keyboard amazing. Only if it didn't cost so much or I didn't have a capable desktop, I would go out and get one right now.
It's fun to see the argument between those who like framework design and those who don't. I on the other hand is all for it. Who still remember the time when almost everything inside a laptop is accessible through the various hatches at the back of the laptop? During the time when the battery can be removed with just a single button press, when the ram sticks was accessible with just removing a single screw to remove a plastic cover. The time when disassembling a laptop was easier than frying an egg. Framework is simply bringing that back and more. It's not all about the value of framework laptops bring into the table, it's about proving a point. That easily repairable devices are still a viable thing.
My old Gateway laptop was east to disassemble. I still remember the model number, MD2614U.
I currently have a framework system in the coolermaster case. If I ever need another one I will definitely purchase from framework.
These designs give the users full and total control, the way it should be.
These are perfect with an Arch Linux install.
its wild to see this kind of laptops, my 10 year old MSI GT72 (aside from the usual 2 dimslots on the other side, and the mid frame, was pretty much super upgradable, having the GPU/RAM/SSDs/HDDs and fans/cooling etc accesible just by removing the bottom cover
I fricking LOVE framework. I bought my 13 last year and its holding up so well, its really hard to buy them second hand because everyone who has one loves it. Super awesome device
Woo, a large RUclipsr who supports Framework. Might have seen one of your videos before. :)
Amazing teardown review!
I can't wait to get mine, batch 9 feels like a pipe dream 😭
Framework is the first modern consumer-grade smart device manufacturer that can score more than 1/10 in *USER* repairability rating.
When I get the money, I am 100% buying Framework, unless others manufacturers catch up (doubt about it).
No, Dell and HP already have extremely modular laptops, they just cost 2500 euros for the starter model, they are professional work machines with replaceable GPU's, memory, harddrive, wifi card, storage and so on and so forth and they support up to 4 x storage devices.
And then there is Clevo which even has replaceable CPU's
@@SMGJohn Where is this vaporware that you are talking about?
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Seeing how you cannot even Google HP workstation laptops, what good can I do for you? You need a different kind of help.
10 out 10! 🎯 Wooooo nicely done, Framework! 👏🏾Watching everything come off like puzzles was really refreshing. 😃
Excellent teardown. Great job covering everything and answering all my questions.
The screws being captive definitely makes the 16 screws to get in a lot easier to swallow.
No, it makes them much harder to swallow.
When I want to screw myself over I prefer eating uncaptive screws.
I think them being captive makes them very very difficult to get in your mouth, but you do you bud
I think them being captive makes them very very difficult to get in your mouth, but you do you bud
I think them being captive makes them very very difficult to get in your mouth, but you do you bud
I think them being captive makes them very very difficult to get in your mouth, but you do you bud
What an insanely well engineered laptop.
It got a ton of issue, but its a great concept and a great start. One that's well overdue.
If Framework releases a ortholinear keyboard insert, I'll buy one immediately. I rarely use my laptop because I hate staggered keys. A ortholinear board would give the Framework something I can't get anywhere else in a laptop, making it an instant buy.
So excited to get mine. Really looking forward to it, it's so cool seeing coverage of it already. Might upgrade the WiFi card when I get mine, though I'll have to see how it's WiFi performance is on it's own too.
If framework laptop have a spot for storing a small screwdriver, it will be stylus for nerds like us.
Lovely idea. They just need to make the way you don't need another screwdriver to get to this screwdriver 😀
Motherboard compatibility between 13 and 16" chassis would have been amaaaazing but this is already so impressive its ok
No it wouldn't - you would have been stuck with 4 expansion ports and NO GPU interposer so no external GPU.
I can't help buy wonder where we would be today if this kind of modularity and repairability had been retained decades ago when Apple dabled in it 20 years ago with thier pizmo laptops. It probably wouldn't be the monster this laptop is, regardless if I was a windows guy this would be at the top of my list. I can see with a bit more refinement framework becoming huge as people get sick of being screwed by disposable junk.
This zig-zagging pattern isn't something to be ignored. It helps with alignment and making sure equal pressure is applied. When done with cpu/gpu cooler, you can cause damage by not fastening iteratively in an alternating diagonal pattern. Helps with screw alignment too
Framework is the laptop equivalent to master crafters of the past; they love what they do and they do things of unmatched quality.
I love what framework is trying to do. When my laptop eventually becomes slow and unusable daily. I will definitely go for a framework 16 as I would like to have a dedicated GPU. It's the only reason why I didn't go for a framework laptop yet.
I'm glad you guys are loving this device as much as I do.
Honestly, that would be truly perfect for me, especially upgrading and replacing features and parts on the same laptop.
All laptops should be this way ... Think I might just have to pick up one of these
Upgradebility and easy repair is everything for me. I bought cheap laptop in 2018. witch i am using even today. In meantime i upgraded ssd from 128gb to 1tb, put 4gb of ram more, replaced keyboard, cleaned laptop internals few times , put new hdd of 4tb, used 3 different oses, both windows and linux. and laptop will serve me for couple of years more. And that is real value for money.
This feels like a wet dream. That is the easiest disassembly I have ever seen on a laptop.
I mean, removable RAM shouldn't bring tears to ones eyes, but with how all the manufacturers treat RAM these days it's unfortunately now a rarity. What brings tears to my eyes is the fully swappable and upgradable motherboard and GPU! Legit, other brands had better be taking notice! This is what we've been wanting since the inception of laptops.
Really happy they earned a 10/10! Fully deservered.
Looks like my pre order was well placed. Cant wait for my unit to ship.
not unlocking the port modules would indeed make them harder to remove lol
Was wondering why they didn't use them and then found your comment ♥️
They were unlocked as you can see by the red bar on the switch. The mechanism is different to the Framework 13.
The only issue being that they're not sold in places where e-waste proliferation is at its highest, which is pretty much everywhere in the global south
this should be industry standard. I'm glad they remined the rest of the world how things used to be.
Remember when MacBooks had replaceable RAM & HDD and hot-swappable batteries?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
the last MacBook with a hot swappable battery was made in 2008 😮
@@axethepenguin 2009 actually. The 1st gen white polycarbonate MacBooks were made from 2006 to 2009.
@@bibasik7 Oh of course, yeah I was mainly thinking of the 2008 unibody models
It's great to keep things in use for as long as possible, and Framework has shown this to be a priority in their design. So with that being said, the best laptop for me right now is the one I already have (and probably is the case with most users). I've got a nice 4 year old speced out Dell XPS, but once it dies (or no longer meets my needs), you can bet I'll be considering one of these!
Also I really hope Framework comes out with a drop-in OLED option. A lot of high end laptops are coming with OLED screens; I'd happily pay a premium for that.
Doesn't OLED have burn-in issues though? Kind of defeats the purpose of avoiding e-waste. Maybe Mini-LED for now until MicroLED becomes a thing in like 10 years.
I've had my Dell XPS OLED since 2020. I recently checked it for burn-in and was actually quite impressed! No issues! But I looked very, very hard (I have great closeup vision btw), I could maybe *barely* make out the start button (on a solid grey screen), but even that could have been my eyes playing tricks on me. And even if I did get mild burn-in, it's not like it renders it unusable. Point being, My laptop will likely become outdated long before burn-in becomes an issue. @@cameronbosch1213
I'm soooo excited for mine to arrive. Batch 10 so i have to wait a bit more >.>
While a bit expensive my next laptop after my current one gets too old will be this or its successor.
Been usinf the FW 13 AMD version for 2 months now and loving it. My old HP laptop was 11 years old so it was time for an upgrade. I was looking for a laptop between 13 and 14 inches and was bouncing between options from hp, lenovo, and even apple because i didnt know the existence of framework. I almost pulled the trigger on a macbook air 13 because it was on sale for the black friday but it was 8gb of ram and 256 of storage and both of them soldered to the motherboard... that should be banned rigth now. Searching online i found this company and i love their philosophy, the user can upgrade everything and the company gives you the manuals and acces to the parts It is true that fot the price that you pay you don´t get the same specs as other companies, that is true for example in the screen of the FW 13 but the design is really good and you know that in the future you can upgrade your computer without any issue. We really should support this companies that are making thing different and really caring about the users and the eviroment and not only using empty words like apple does.
After replacing a graphics module on an elitebook 8760w I must say that this is way easier to replace than the elitebook's which is 13 years old now. This is truly a step in the right direction.
Rekember when all laptops had remocable batteries without needing to be disassembled?
TIL expansion cards on a framework use USB-C. That's amazing, especially for the storage expansion cards. One can pop it out and use it on a different system for data transfer.
I'm an Apple fan boy, but if there was one laptop that make me want to switch - this is it!
When my Dell XPS kicks the bucket my next laptop will be a Framework. I hope ARM laptops come sooner rather than later, I'd love an Arm Framework but that might be asking a little too much.
I think the limiting factor to this thing rocket launching, is they need a version of this in 13” size, with M1 mac type battery life and performance.
Firstly, the 13” version has been out since 2021 and secondly they’d need to make an ARM version for M1 like battery and performance.
When my Omen 16 is due for replacement and Framework is still available... It will be my next laptop! I love this!
These laptops are incredible. Although I'm pretty sad that there is no official shipment to russia and also no official cyrillic keyboard option, but those are not the biggest issues for me. The price is quite high for a piece of tech, although it is probably fair. I would need to save up 2-3 months to even have enough money to buy this thing. But I think it would be 140% worth it.
It will be awesome once they can fully ship worldwide, makes me want to get a laptop again
This is awesome. And a model for every manufacturers.
Even with its faults, I have to admit this is the best laptop that has ever released in my lifetime when it comes to repair-ability and getting open source replacement parts.
SO glad I got in group 1 of the pre-orders.. Can't wait!!
can't wait for your teardown, if even possible, on the vision pro
First 10/10? I actually think the battery, ram and ssd should be replaceable without having to take the back-panel off. But yes repairablity and replacablity is not the same thing I love most things about this laptop except the price point. Yes it’s on par-ish with the competition but it’s still to pricey for me. I hope budget options comes out as well because I want to buy one of their laptops.
Agreed. The good news is that its replaceable/upgradable. The bad new is that there's still a lot of disassembly necessary.
I love Framework
WOW. Just Wow.
This gives me joy to see 😀 It’s a bit like the days of the Dell c series where many parts were interchangeable and modular to some extent - I remember doing CPU swaps and changing from CD to DVD drives or even having 2 batteries. Framework should be the benchmark for others in terms of what can be achieved when cynical corporate agendas are not a factor - much like Fairphone’s design philosophy of easy to replace parts. If Framework can support the formats across models and modules for over 5 years then it’s a win 🏆
The only thing that hold me back from buying a framework is the CPU. Ever since Apple released the M-series chips, I would always prefer ARM chip on a portable device for it extensive battery life and performance. The X Elite from quad comm is bring me hope to have an ARM framework laptop. But I doubted if there is enough market for framework to release an ARM cpu board at all. Also, I don't think quad comm is cooperative enough to let framework have their cpu at all.
Support of ARM chip on Windows is not a concern for me at all, because I am a Gentoo user. As long as we can see an ARM framework, I will give my money.
I am excited what the DIY, 3D printing community and 3rd party designer have plans for this thing
10/10 that’s a first!!! ❤❤❤
I love the fact that the laptop GPU is replaceable and upgradable.
Like it was a few years back.
Nice video format! So snappy and info dense! Thankn you.
The Framework laptop is the "Apple" of Modularity, Upgradability, Repairability, and as a consequence, Longevity.
Americans who constantly teach about "Going Green" must support this company and help it go Global in terms of sales and service.
Wow, now it is modular and elegant.
Great, a dream come true. GG to Framework!
Impressive. If I ever needed a Windows laptop, Framework is the brand I'd want.
I’d like to mention that I believe at 3:46 there is a latch to release the modules
When you started to remove the modules at 3:45 it was so hard because you still had them in the locked position.
I just wish it had two or three NVME slots :D
I believe the 16" has 2 NVME slots.
I definitely want this as my next laptop. It's literally the best out there, because you're not really losing anything if you go for it. It has fast CPU and GPU, fine battery life, and if something ever breaks you can easily swap it out, there's no reason to not go for this laptop.
If they make a model with socketed desktop cpu and more gpu options - thats all i can wish. Just like trusted old Clevo monsters, but new and thin...
I thought about getting one of them but opted for a Dell 7212 because of the ruggedness and its nearly as serviceable.
Loving my FW 16.
PROOF that making a repairable gadget is a choice.
You're right, but unfortunately the framework laptops take it to such extreme the hardware will be absolete sooner than it would require any repair. Building reparable devices is a choice for a company, but unfortunately we don't have much choice if we want light laptops with long battery life powered by arm..
@@mori7423 why would it be obsolete sooner??? I dont get it? If so, i hope they just make laptop batteries REPLACEABLE by consumers
@@Eliasu1150 I don't mean repairable laptops are going to become obsolete any faster than the ones from less consumer friendly competitors. I mean that while it's nice being able to replace wear parts (batteries, SSDs, some I\O ports), there's not much demand to replace CPUs and GPUs on laptops.
Don't get me wrong, I really support repairing your own devices and I've done it a lot myself because I actually believe that creating repairable product means creating more sustainable product. But the problem is that, at the moment, framework laptops doesn't really stand any competition with macintosh computers at the moment, if you need a compact and lightweight arm-based computer with long battery life. But I will hope it will improve once we have more arm based solutions for laptops and not just chromebooks and apple silicon.
Nice work on removing all components with the battery still connected, great suff 👍👍
I just hope it becomes cheap enough for South East Asian markets
Oh dang, it's like the olden days again 🥹
I really wish manufacturers of components would swam in for this.
For example:
Keyboard: Razor, Logitech, Daskeyboard
Cooling: Noctua for cooling components (we already have cooler master)
Speakers: Bose, Sony, Denon, B&W, B&O, Yamah etc.
Screens: Samsung, LG, Sony
Batteries: Panasonic, Energizer, Duracell etc.
P.S when you don’t have that number pad, instead of those flashy lights…they should offer speakers!
Gotta love that Modualrity
Great review and congrats for framework nice job
it only lacks a ThinkPad 7-row keyboard, hopefully somebody will make it as a module