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Hi Michael! 0.4.15 has been branched for release candidate and is receiving fixes to prepare for release. Since your last video we started holding meetings more regularly and were able to resolve several disagreements.
I keep telling people that Windows 2k, and by extension, Server 2k3, is the peak pure windows experience. Granted, 2k3 is a sort of cross between 2k and XP when it comes to the UI, but I find it counts towards peak Windows. It's a shame that the higher ups on the windows development have forgotten what makes Windows good...
That was awesome and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. I’m hoping to slowly address the AMD side issues as it’s becoming increasingly clear they’re going to work first. Thanks for the awesome retest :) -The_DarkFire_
A reskinned versión version reporting version 4.10. 1998 (Windows 98 first release) or 4.90.3000 (Windows Me) is in order! (although some early Memphis version would be more bugginess accurate).
Last I heard there were internal problems with the part of the ReactOS team that manages the release versions and led to such a stark contrast between Nightly and Release. It's a really understandable source of confusion for anyone that doesn't stalk every new bit of ReactOS information.
FR. First time I heard about this project was more than 20 years ago, and isn't much better than back then. I _wish_ they succeeded but it seems impossible at this pace.
@@chpsilvaYeah unfortunately ReactOS is a volunteer hobbyist project and by the nature of that it couldn't come up to speed with Microsoft, even back in the day.
I don't know the first thing about kernel development, and I know even less than that about NT kernel development, so forgive me if there is a reason for this, but why is there any desktop environment focus at all with this project? What is interesting about this project and what draws people to contribute is the idea of an open source Windows NT compatible kernel, a "Windows-like" system. So why not then focus on kernel level development and if people want to build on top of it they can do so with their own resources and projects? There has to be reasons behind why development is like this with ReactOS, then again the rumors of "dev team" drama I have heard over the years worries me a bit. Regardless, say it is impossible then, I would still think freezing any development of the user interface for now and focusing only on kernel level development has to be a smarter direction. It's been decades and the GUI has just never worked well. Literally every crash I have seen from ReactOS testing are from people simply trying to interact with it. I just wonder, how much focus is spent on solving those issues that could be better spent elsewhere?
reactOS is gonna be a godsend for retro computing when it starts to mature. imagine a WinXP machine where you don't have to worry about security constantly and with the ability to get modern QoL improvements to it.
it's a bit hard for me to understand the point of this whole endeavor. I use XP machines almost every day, and the problems with QOL features do not stem from operating system, but the hardware. No OS will ever make a single core machine fully usable again, and more powerful machines don't lack much in terms of QOL, even modern Internet is fully usable under XP with Supermium. I admire the developers' skills and passion, but it just seems they're working really hard to achieve something that would've been worth pursuing 20 years ago.
@@inferi312 well for starters it’s a nightmare to actually update XP these days. If you’re like me and have an RTM release you either have to slip stream service packs into the installer and then install Legacy Update and then run that a couple of times before you’re actually up to date The main goal of this is just a FOSS windows which will I think many years in the future be extremely useful like how free dos is.
@@inferi312 I seriously hope your XP machines are air gapped and are required for core services like embedded systems for a business with no suitable replacements, else you are a fool to keep using it in this day and age.
It’s actually because this model shipped with two LCD sizes, and instead of redesigning the entire housing for the cheaper panel, dell just put it on the same chassis and thickened up the bezels lol
I don’t think that joke works very well. Like, anything will react in some way, right? Saying that “because it reacts by crashing, we call it reactOS” just, doesn’t seem to make sense?
15 minutes into the video and I have to say this is the best commercial for nightly builds being spectacularly awesome that I have ever witnessed! Ha ha! I believe your take on nightly builds was spot on. Thanks for gaslighting us, Devs, that’s great.
You can hear the Lovecraft-protagonist-grade madness in Michael's voice when he talked about everything he went through after booting into safe mode resulted in nothing but a black screen. Not to mention the giggle around the 25-minute mark.
I just want to say thank you for your videos. :) For some reason I really like exploring older tech/software., but also like to see things outside my usually bubble (Linux/Android/MacOS). It also help me to fall a sleep, but I try to re-watch them when I'm awake again. Keep up the good work!
Certainly that's been my experience lately. Just tried the Dreamcast emulator Redream for the first time, the "stable" build had really egregious render artifacting and was significantly outdated compared to the developer build. Thankfully they have an active discord with some very kind people willing and able to assist
I totally agree with the Release vs Nightly confusion. I've inly used the Release because I didn't want to be bothered with a Nightly test version and its problems. I guess I'll be downloading a Nightly tonight.
The CD thing is about the deprecated Win95-era optical API used in those games that doesn't work either on modern Windows versions nor ReactOS. Regarding the debugger detection it works like this: at the very start of the code it replaces a JMP (jump to place in code) instruction with all zeros (NOP, no operation) and right after that the JMP in question and the code that displays the error. Most CPUs will cache everything to run it in advance and changing the code mid execution would do nothing, but sometimes (including when a debugger is there), the cache will be discarded therefore the JMP won't work (it has just been replaced) causing the error code to run. This is often considered bad practice.
ive been following ReactOS for YEARS i mean like 12 - 15 this is by far my favorite in development OS out there, I hope it continues on to get bigger and better
The thing I've learned with most nightly builds for any software is that generally, most show-stopping regressions since a latest "stable" have been corrected. The only thing I've ever seen contradict this is with Debian, where stable actually means willfully putting effort into tanking your install.
Maybe its my Linux brain but when I think stable release I think the release that works the best to the level that the project is at, while "nightly" or "unstable" is for the cutting edge releases that have additions and changes that are tests and make the release less robust as a result, then when that testing is done and its as stable as possible they move that to stable?
Unfortunately "stable" is a bit of a loaded term It both means a) doesn't crash (what most people think of) and b) doesn't change radically (what Debian stable is most about) The idea of stable is that if you have a workflow and you keep staying on that stable version, it won't change, you'll be guaranteed your workflow will keep working and you won't have to change anything (or worse, realize that your very weird, wacky, way of doing something doesn't work anymore)
we can talk about how amazing it is that you can copy system files from Server 2003 and they WILL work with ReactOS! amazing that React is computable to the point it one CAN copy files from Server 2003!
In a distant parallel universe Jeve Stobs from Macrohard has developed "ReactOS" to be shipped with the Engineulu Raspfruit 5150 PC. For over 20 years Gill Bates tries to re-write an older version of it, which he called "Windows". It's the same universe, where a submarine built from rubber sank and over 100 years later an oceanliner called Rockton Stush had a gigantic titanium explosion on the same spot and where Russia dropped two Nukes on Greenland to win the second climate war. //
I have an old 42" LG TV that I've moved to a guest bedroom and replaced it with a 48" TV. The 48" TV is smaller than the old TV because of how big the bezels are. It was also like 2/3 the weight. Stuff is getting crazy small.
Hey I noticed that your D531 is using BIOS revision A06, while Dell's website has newer revisions for that model (A10 and A12). Not sure how much or even if that would help with anything when it comes to running ReactOS on it, and I can't even find changelogs to check what they do exactly, but I guess since they bothered making those updates back then, they probably fixed some things. Obviously, if you want to try updating it, I'd use a stable version of Windows from back then. Also, a warning : revision A12 on the website is suspiciously recent and some people reported it being corrupt… may be something with them re-generating the latest updates in bulk with a newer certificate and not checking that the updated files actually work, so you might want to avoid that one, or perhaps try finding an earlier file on the web archive instead.
The dev I spoke with said the BIOS revision was fine, so I just left it on A06. I was also confused about the pretty recent date for the latest version on Dell's site.
Gotta love the devs (or at least the person in charge of the Twitter account) making fun of you because "everyone knows the stable release sucks!" but... the daily doesn't seem that much better. Sure it doesn't crash, but it still doesn't actually work either. (Oops, I spoke too soon about crashing! Then, that poorly-written shibe meme is just being sore.)
An OS that has been in development for like 25 years doesn't even have working drivers for the official hardware that it has been developed on, and nothing works on it. Seems like a good OS.
It is not a easy task to reimplement an operating system that was originally made by probably hundreds or maybe even by more than a thousand of developers in a reasonable time. They still made a lot of progress lately, mostly in terms of stability of ReactOS from what I've heard. I believe that if the project was founded well, the progress would accelerate very quickly and we could get an actual beta in like few years.
That is a good point about nightly builds, for instance if you are into emulating ps2 games, the latest stable release of pcsx2 is ancient and not all that fast at emulating, but if you grab nightly build it's way way better. But if you are trying it out for the first time users by default will pick the stable version and in the case of emulating ps2 might be turned off by the lack of compatibility and speed and get a wrong impression of the project. And the same is for React OS most users try the stable and reason that it is indeed too unstable for daily use. They get a wrong first impression of the project. But that first impression may destroy all interest in the project or make it forgettable.
@@ReecetafarianThat's great news i just assumed 1.6 was still the latest stable , i found a nightly build that worked well for my laptop a while back so i haven't checked for a good while. How long was 1.6 the latest stable it was some years right?
I think the point of not just making another release is, they'd have to make a full release every night for it to not be irrelevant. As soon as a nightly build comes out after that release its probably better, and it gets better every night.
i had reactOS working on a pentium 4 and a rivaTNT2 32mb (in a pc with the i65G chipset), and it worked flawlessly, even with 3D acceleration (but with some slight video artifacts on some menus, like in the app manager)
@@danielktdoranie Yes, I know. I tried it in the past and nothing changed since then. I installed the thing, used for a bit without changing it and a simple reboot is what it takes to make it bsod.
@@hugosimoes5119 some stuff still isn't supported, as mentioned in the video. despite how much they've developed it and fixed bugs, it still takes a looooong time to develop a brand-new OS, especially with all the weird disagreements going around the very small team they have
It's like Windows XP - and XP (NT 5.1/5.2 kernel) was mostly used with 32 bit software. While there was a x64 version, who cares, except for big databases.
I have heard that the ReactOS team had a problem with their release pipeline so they couldn't push new versions as release, only as nightly. I don't know if that is true now or ever was, but that's what I heard.
I've been using nightly builds for a long time and honestly often have more issues with the "stable" builds. Generally speaking, I've never used ReactOS, but being on Linux and using a rolling distro, I've generally stuck to nightly builds for a reason.
Despite the problems I've seen Windows Me run less stable than this but as recall more with GPFs and Bluescreen STOP errors if having to trial and error drivers or borrow DLLs from other computers. When I have previously tried ReactOS I stick to booting in normal non-debug mode and also install to BTRFS as at the time they were saying NTFS was not ready and FAT32 could still accumulate disk errors over multiple hard reboots (compared with a journaling file system). But I think I understand the context explained for why in debug mode here. I've only ever used on Virtual hardware (KVM/QEMU) and there is rather more control on what chipset, CPU, graphics, storage controller, audio and NIC are presented to the guest to figure out a stable build, as well as snapshotting for when you pass milestones for getting stuff working, to have an instant rollback if something stops it booting.
i would really like to be able to use ReactOS as a windows alternative for stuff that ACTUALLY requires windows. sadly that will never happen in any reasonable metric
I totally agree, if the nightly build is sooo much better, just tell it on the website to Download it instead of the latest release. I don't get why u just would let people which are non enthusiast or non developers and wanna try out for fun are so much misled to a shittier version.
This just sounds like the ReactOS project has major internal drama that will prevent it from becoming usable for another decade. You had to get your ISO from some developer on Twitter somewhere instead of from the official site to get fixes that are unavailable to the general public, why is that? Were they hoarding these fixes for themselves for whatever reason? Were the pull requests for these fixes denied because of some drama in the project? They seem to be good fixes so they wouldn't be blocked for holding the project back, so what's up? And don't forget how in the last video he was told by a developer to use nightly builds because the devs aren't able to cut a stable release due to the one person who has the privileges to do that holding them hostage for some reason. What a mess.
There is such a thing as code that fixes things, but shouldn't be accepted upstream. i.e. if it fixed things in a janky way, or if the "real fix" is completely rewriting the buggy code instead of monkeypatching it. Alternatively, maybe the patches are actively being worked on or reviewed, and it's known to fix some issues but also causes other issues, and they're trying to fix the other issues before merging. Without actually looking for details on what the extra patches are and why they haven't been included yet, we can't assume internal drama for that.
because they are probably temporal fixes, so there is no reason to publish them when the os is not even usable. better just to wait that real fix will be done.
I think it will eventually get there. The version 1.0 though is something we may never see, given that while ReactOS still targets Server 2003 R2 as a model for its architecture, Windows will get improved more and more and eventually there will a question whether or not they should change its architecture to match newer Windows version and it will never end. That is unless they want to just reimplement the core of Windows Server 2003 and just stop there.
I really wonder if ReactOS will ever become an actual good alternative to Windows. I'm on Linux right now and I love Linux, don't get me wrong... but a lot of use cases for Windows are just impossible with Linux. And it'd be really nice to get an actual good alternative. Do note: I don't mean a replacement. Just an alternative.
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Hi Michael! 0.4.15 has been branched for release candidate and is receiving fixes to prepare for release. Since your last video we started holding meetings more regularly and were able to resolve several disagreements.
I love that for you guys! Good luck and godspeed
I love the project! Keep going!
HOORAAAAY! good luck everyone!!!
Good news for people who love good news
YAY! ReactOS has so much potential! Glad to hear that things are improving!
"..Hey it's michael from the future here"
you know something went wrong when michael from the future comes to interrupt the video
You know something goes wrong when Michael releases a video, but everything goes wrong.
You know something goes wrong when he uploads in general lol
Why don't they just use the server 2003 dlls anyway? Why do they implement WineD3D?
Yes
It's fun seeing ReactOS use the same UI elements as Windows Server 2003
everything in windows is still using those ui elements lmao
it's mainly based off server 2003 so that's why
anything from other Windows versions is purely for compatibility reasons
@@generallyunimportant Ech, maybe design wise. I think only the Explorer program has been left mostly untouched.
@@generallyunimportant I don't think that warranted a LMAO.
I keep telling people that Windows 2k, and by extension, Server 2k3, is the peak pure windows experience. Granted, 2k3 is a sort of cross between 2k and XP when it comes to the UI, but I find it counts towards peak Windows. It's a shame that the higher ups on the windows development have forgotten what makes Windows good...
That was awesome and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
I’m hoping to slowly address the AMD side issues as it’s becoming increasingly clear they’re going to work first.
Thanks for the awesome retest :)
-The_DarkFire_
Amazing!
they’ve succeeded in recreating the nightmare of using a really old version of windows, what an achievement!!
A reskinned versión version reporting version 4.10. 1998 (Windows 98 first release) or 4.90.3000 (Windows Me) is in order! (although some early Memphis version would be more bugginess accurate).
"Imagine Windows 2000 except nothing works."
Last I heard there were internal problems with the part of the ReactOS team that manages the release versions and led to such a stark contrast between Nightly and Release. It's a really understandable source of confusion for anyone that doesn't stalk every new bit of ReactOS information.
Reverse engineering windows seems like a weird masochistic thing to devote your life to
yes
It's kinda sad as theres no need for it considering the adancements of wine and kernel
@@SameriddAndCave nah it definitely has a reason to exist still as a fun hobby project
fr
Based, to be honest.
Now do the Everything Goes Wrong version
man i wish there is a "everything goes right" video where it works 1st attempt with no flaws
This is the everything goes wrong version 😅
@@MichaelMJD fair hahaha, next time a everything goes right version?
@Emayeah yeah We NEED THAT😂😂
We need a Everything Went Better than Expected version
ReactOS is a cool project and I'm glad it exists even if it's a long way off from being usable day-to-day
michael mjd's commentary will singlehandedly save the ReactOS project
ReactOS is Back
we’re so back
And it needs to leave again 😂
It never left lol
just need druaga1 to return
One of my favorite projects for the last ... few decades...
FR. First time I heard about this project was more than 20 years ago, and isn't much better than back then. I _wish_ they succeeded but it seems impossible at this pace.
@@chpsilvaYeah unfortunately ReactOS is a volunteer hobbyist project and by the nature of that it couldn't come up to speed with Microsoft, even back in the day.
I don't know the first thing about kernel development, and I know even less than that about NT kernel development, so forgive me if there is a reason for this, but why is there any desktop environment focus at all with this project? What is interesting about this project and what draws people to contribute is the idea of an open source Windows NT compatible kernel, a "Windows-like" system. So why not then focus on kernel level development and if people want to build on top of it they can do so with their own resources and projects?
There has to be reasons behind why development is like this with ReactOS, then again the rumors of "dev team" drama I have heard over the years worries me a bit. Regardless, say it is impossible then, I would still think freezing any development of the user interface for now and focusing only on kernel level development has to be a smarter direction. It's been decades and the GUI has just never worked well. Literally every crash I have seen from ReactOS testing are from people simply trying to interact with it. I just wonder, how much focus is spent on solving those issues that could be better spent elsewhere?
reactOS is gonna be a godsend for retro computing when it starts to mature. imagine a WinXP machine where you don't have to worry about security constantly and with the ability to get modern QoL improvements to it.
that's a really good idea wtf
I've been telling myself this for at least a decade or more now
I'm still huffing that copium that we might have a stable release in my lifetime....
it's a bit hard for me to understand the point of this whole endeavor. I use XP machines almost every day, and the problems with QOL features do not stem from operating system, but the hardware. No OS will ever make a single core machine fully usable again, and more powerful machines don't lack much in terms of QOL, even modern Internet is fully usable under XP with Supermium. I admire the developers' skills and passion, but it just seems they're working really hard to achieve something that would've been worth pursuing 20 years ago.
@@inferi312 well for starters it’s a nightmare to actually update XP these days. If you’re like me and have an RTM release you either have to slip stream service packs into the installer and then install Legacy Update and then run that a couple of times before you’re actually up to date
The main goal of this is just a FOSS windows which will I think many years in the future be extremely useful like how free dos is.
@@inferi312 I seriously hope your XP machines are air gapped and are required for core services like embedded systems for a business with no suitable replacements, else you are a fool to keep using it in this day and age.
I get something to watch while eating
Bro ain't no way I'm 1 second Earlier than you 😂 what a coincidence
im eating rn lol
@@vista6009nah i beat you by approx: 10.871 milliseconds
I was eating 1 min ago
Finished my dinner while watching lmao@@Mahanagha
I love how sometimes the camera gets the OS/2 box at the background, as if it's smirking to all Michaels' attempts to bring ReactOS to life.
and as expected, everything goes wrong EVEN ON OFFICIAL HARDWARE. wow.
I know right! LMAO
ReactOS, go home you’re drunk 😂
a shame the stuff that isn't supported yet doesn't work! wow!
@@danielktdoranieit's Alpha testing...
It's not surprising that securom, safedisc and other copy protections don't run on ReactOS.
GTA VI will release before ReactOS has a stable. We may even get Half-Life 3 before we see any sort of half-decently working ReactOS build.
We'll see about that.
Oh 100%. I think we will witness an AI takeover before a stable React OS build lol.
@@michalthekindInstall ReactOS on the AI to escape it
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Why be so negative? What does that get you in life? Other than everyone noticing how negative and pessimistic you are.
The keyboard warriors from the original video were absolutely right-this version is so, so much better.
Good to see nothing's changed in decades with ReactOS, still a dumpster fire just like its inspiration. Truly, one of the OSes of all time.
It's funny how shocking the size of the bezel on that laptop was. We've come a long way
It’s actually because this model shipped with two LCD sizes, and instead of redesigning the entire housing for the cheaper panel, dell just put it on the same chassis and thickened up the bezels lol
If you look at something like the PowerBook G4 Titanium or the Latitude C840, their bezels are nice and thin
I played with reactos years ago. It's cool to see that they're still working on it.
It's called ReactOS because it reacts by crashing
reactOS' official reaction when you try to do literally anything on it: 😱😱😱
Rename suggestion: CrashOS.
I don’t think that joke works very well. Like, anything will react in some way, right? Saying that “because it reacts by crashing, we call it reactOS” just, doesn’t seem to make sense?
15 minutes into the video and I have to say this is the best commercial for nightly builds being spectacularly awesome that I have ever witnessed! Ha ha! I believe your take on nightly builds was spot on. Thanks for gaslighting us, Devs, that’s great.
maybe in 2050 they'll be able to be compatible and run like win 2000! yay!
in 3100 right as GTA VI releases they will release the one that's up to date
You can hear the Lovecraft-protagonist-grade madness in Michael's voice when he talked about everything he went through after booting into safe mode resulted in nothing but a black screen. Not to mention the giggle around the 25-minute mark.
I just want to say thank you for your videos. :)
For some reason I really like exploring older tech/software., but also like to see things outside my usually bubble (Linux/Android/MacOS).
It also help me to fall a sleep, but I try to re-watch them when I'm awake again. Keep up the good work!
As long as a project is in release candidate, you should go for nightly builds.
Certainly that's been my experience lately. Just tried the Dreamcast emulator Redream for the first time, the "stable" build had really egregious render artifacting and was significantly outdated compared to the developer build. Thankfully they have an active discord with some very kind people willing and able to assist
So, it is the Nightly MJD Frankenstein 2000 Version now.
Edit: Very nice that you got the Help :)
I totally agree with the Release vs Nightly confusion. I've inly used the Release because I didn't want to be bothered with a Nightly test version and its problems. I guess I'll be downloading a Nightly tonight.
The CD thing is about the deprecated Win95-era optical API used in those games that doesn't work either on modern Windows versions nor ReactOS.
Regarding the debugger detection it works like this: at the very start of the code it replaces a JMP (jump to place in code) instruction with all zeros (NOP, no operation) and right after that the JMP in question and the code that displays the error. Most CPUs will cache everything to run it in advance and changing the code mid execution would do nothing, but sometimes (including when a debugger is there), the cache will be discarded therefore the JMP won't work (it has just been replaced) causing the error code to run. This is often considered bad practice.
ive been following ReactOS for YEARS i mean like 12 - 15 this is by far my favorite in development OS out there, I hope it continues on to get bigger and better
The thing I've learned with most nightly builds for any software is that generally, most show-stopping regressions since a latest "stable" have been corrected. The only thing I've ever seen contradict this is with Debian, where stable actually means willfully putting effort into tanking your install.
Maybe its my Linux brain but when I think stable release I think the release that works the best to the level that the project is at, while "nightly" or "unstable" is for the cutting edge releases that have additions and changes that are tests and make the release less robust as a result, then when that testing is done and its as stable as possible they move that to stable?
Unfortunately "stable" is a bit of a loaded term
It both means a) doesn't crash (what most people think of) and b) doesn't change radically (what Debian stable is most about)
The idea of stable is that if you have a workflow and you keep staying on that stable version, it won't change, you'll be guaranteed your workflow will keep working and you won't have to change anything (or worse, realize that your very weird, wacky, way of doing something doesn't work anymore)
Micheal i say you should ask people who know how to code and test to join up with reactOS team and give them a helping hand
You make some of the best tech videos on youtube
I think all hardware that can still run XP / Server 2003 will cease to work before ReactOS ever becomes a viable XP alternative.
I have been eagerly waiting for this video
we can talk about how amazing it is that you can copy system files from Server 2003 and they WILL work with ReactOS!
amazing that React is computable to the point it one CAN copy files from Server 2003!
A ReactOS video without nothing going wrong? Good christ, what timeline is it!?
Not aged good in 20+ minutes ksks
Not this timeline, for sure.
@@TheCelestial shh
@@ThatLinuxDude lol
In a distant parallel universe Jeve Stobs from Macrohard has developed "ReactOS" to be shipped with the Engineulu Raspfruit 5150 PC. For over 20 years Gill Bates tries to re-write an older version of it, which he called "Windows". It's the same universe, where a submarine built from rubber sank and over 100 years later an oceanliner called Rockton Stush had a gigantic titanium explosion on the same spot and where Russia dropped two Nukes on Greenland to win the second climate war. //
I'm honestly pretty impressed this works at all
I am currently watching this on a Dell Latitude!
I had totally forgot how absolutely *huge* the bezels are on those 2005-08 Dell Latitudes.
I have an old 42" LG TV that I've moved to a guest bedroom and replaced it with a 48" TV. The 48" TV is smaller than the old TV because of how big the bezels are. It was also like 2/3 the weight. Stuff is getting crazy small.
I will never use this but for some reason it makes me so happy someone is doing this.
Hey I noticed that your D531 is using BIOS revision A06, while Dell's website has newer revisions for that model (A10 and A12). Not sure how much or even if that would help with anything when it comes to running ReactOS on it, and I can't even find changelogs to check what they do exactly, but I guess since they bothered making those updates back then, they probably fixed some things. Obviously, if you want to try updating it, I'd use a stable version of Windows from back then.
Also, a warning : revision A12 on the website is suspiciously recent and some people reported it being corrupt… may be something with them re-generating the latest updates in bulk with a newer certificate and not checking that the updated files actually work, so you might want to avoid that one, or perhaps try finding an earlier file on the web archive instead.
The dev I spoke with said the BIOS revision was fine, so I just left it on A06. I was also confused about the pretty recent date for the latest version on Dell's site.
Gotta love the devs (or at least the person in charge of the Twitter account) making fun of you because "everyone knows the stable release sucks!" but... the daily doesn't seem that much better. Sure it doesn't crash, but it still doesn't actually work either. (Oops, I spoke too soon about crashing! Then, that poorly-written shibe meme is just being sore.)
Just keep copying more files from Server 2003 until everything works
Better yet, just install Microsoft Server 2003...
Never saw Mjd being Angry since that protest video
ReactOS lets do this.
verified!?!??
omagyatt it jhonzoid!1111
Johnzoid jumps care
What happened to the iPad Microscope video, or am I confusing you with another channel? 🤔
Yeah, new video! Let's goooooooo (I love to listen to these videos as podcast while I cook. For real. Sometimes I even go back to old videos to do so)
Cant wait for part 3 where you finally figure out the issues and actually play some more games on this OS
It's not a michael mjd video if something doesn't go wrong
Oh... So that's where React(JS) inherited its shittiness from...
Hmmmm, old DELL Latitude laptops, my beloved...😊
I am pretty sure the ReactOS CD drivers don't work with DRM schemes used by Half-life Blueshift or PONG.
An OS that has been in development for like 25 years doesn't even have working drivers for the official hardware that it has been developed on, and nothing works on it.
Seems like a good OS.
To be fair the version ReactOS devs use has an nvidia GPU and not an AMD one
It is not a easy task to reimplement an operating system that was originally made by probably hundreds or maybe even by more than a thousand of developers in a reasonable time. They still made a lot of progress lately, mostly in terms of stability of ReactOS from what I've heard. I believe that if the project was founded well, the progress would accelerate very quickly and we could get an actual beta in like few years.
@@MarcinKralka Not only reimplement, but reverse engineer it, and make it so it's compatible. It's a lot of very difficult and tedious work
"Mizu" is Japanese for "Water" so you're not mistaken about that 🙂
Yep! I'm aware of that : )
Great, now I've got "mizu te nani?" from Yuyushiki stuck in my head. lol
"huh I wonder if there's been any improvement since this vide-oh. 2 hours ago. Probably not then."
Well, it is a vote of confidence to say they have _official testing hardware._ Though as such, still not sure it's ready for prime time.
Nice bro I have a laptop similar to that the D620 keep it up I’m always interested
That is a good point about nightly builds, for instance if you are into emulating ps2 games, the latest stable release of pcsx2 is ancient and not all that fast at emulating, but if you grab nightly build it's way way better.
But if you are trying it out for the first time users by default will pick the stable version and in the case of emulating ps2 might be turned off by the lack of compatibility and speed and get a wrong impression of the project. And the same is for React OS most users try the stable and reason that it is indeed too unstable for daily use. They get a wrong first impression of the project.
But that first impression may destroy all interest in the project or make it forgettable.
The latest stable version of pcsx2 came out in July. Its not tbat far behind.
@@ReecetafarianThat's great news i just assumed 1.6 was still the latest stable , i found a nightly build that worked well for my laptop a while back so i haven't checked for a good while.
How long was 1.6 the latest stable it was some years right?
Your tech videos bring a smile to my day, tysm
I think the point of not just making another release is, they'd have to make a full release every night for it to not be irrelevant. As soon as a nightly build comes out after that release its probably better, and it gets better every night.
I can hear it spinnin
Ooh. I'll have to do this with my D531 later.
i had a dell latitude D630c it was my first computer i fixed it myself in 2nd grade
i had reactOS working on a pentium 4 and a rivaTNT2 32mb (in a pc with the i65G chipset), and it worked flawlessly, even with 3D acceleration (but with some slight video artifacts on some menus, like in the app manager)
Prove it.
This year + 2! is the year of reactOS
If they ever implement a WoW64 solution they have to call it RoR64 lol
WOOOOOO FINALLY I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
...and crashes like Windows.
Actually worse than Windows, and I didn’t think that was possible
@@danielktdoranie Yes, I know. I tried it in the past and nothing changed since then. I installed the thing, used for a bit without changing it and a simple reboot is what it takes to make it bsod.
@@danielktdoranie So basically Windows Me.
@@hugosimoes5119 some stuff still isn't supported, as mentioned in the video. despite how much they've developed it and fixed bugs, it still takes a looooong time to develop a brand-new OS, especially with all the weird disagreements going around the very small team they have
@@squiddu We will be in 2030's and they won't finish it.
It's like Windows XP - and XP (NT 5.1/5.2 kernel) was mostly used with 32 bit software. While there was a x64 version, who cares, except for big databases.
Don't get me wrong, project is impressive and ambitious. But it also needs a LOT of work to be even semi usable.
Watching on a Dell D830 with WinXP Home
Vote for Windows upgrade saga livestream!!
I have heard that the ReactOS team had a problem with their release pipeline so they couldn't push new versions as release, only as nightly. I don't know if that is true now or ever was, but that's what I heard.
I've been using nightly builds for a long time and honestly often have more issues with the "stable" builds. Generally speaking, I've never used ReactOS, but being on Linux and using a rolling distro, I've generally stuck to nightly builds for a reason.
We're back with the os that bricked the bios on my pc!
can you explain how the helll is an os able to brick a bios?!?!?
@@Emayeah UEFI bios update from windows update can do that, usually on laptops
@@sebastianx708pl what does reactos have to do with a bios update
died 1999, born 2024
welcome back CIH
wtf.
Despite the problems I've seen Windows Me run less stable than this but as recall more with GPFs and Bluescreen STOP errors if having to trial and error drivers or borrow DLLs from other computers.
When I have previously tried ReactOS I stick to booting in normal non-debug mode and also install to BTRFS as at the time they were saying NTFS was not ready and FAT32 could still accumulate disk errors over multiple hard reboots (compared with a journaling file system).
But I think I understand the context explained for why in debug mode here.
I've only ever used on Virtual hardware (KVM/QEMU) and there is rather more control on what chipset, CPU, graphics, storage controller, audio and NIC are presented to the guest to figure out a stable build,
as well as snapshotting for when you pass milestones for getting stuff working, to have an instant rollback if something stops it booting.
It's the first time I see someone debugging an OS.
I'm currently playing Half-Life Black Mesa from 2020, it's awesome!
You could install a CD Emulator, and install the game onto the hard drive and see if the 'insert CD' goes away!
Nice Video!Huge fan.
i would really like to be able to use ReactOS as a windows alternative for stuff that ACTUALLY requires windows. sadly that will never happen in any reasonable metric
Just install XP or Win7 or whatever.
With all the problems Windows 11 has, I really hope this OS starts getting good.
Forget it...
Windows 7 or 10 is your friend.
@@SidcupRC Windows 11 is my enemy
It just needs more involvement. Preferably funding too.
Reverse engineering a complex OS is very difficult AND very tedious.
I wonder how much other hardware will work if you copy over drivers from a Win2K/XP/Server2K3 install.
I love how the installer looks just like Microsoft...
I totally agree, if the nightly build is sooo much better, just tell it on the website to Download it instead of the latest release. I don't get why u just would let people which are non enthusiast or non developers and wanna try out for fun are so much misled to a shittier version.
"nightly build" aka the CI script kicked off, no other project would recommend you trust them
This just sounds like the ReactOS project has major internal drama that will prevent it from becoming usable for another decade. You had to get your ISO from some developer on Twitter somewhere instead of from the official site to get fixes that are unavailable to the general public, why is that? Were they hoarding these fixes for themselves for whatever reason? Were the pull requests for these fixes denied because of some drama in the project? They seem to be good fixes so they wouldn't be blocked for holding the project back, so what's up? And don't forget how in the last video he was told by a developer to use nightly builds because the devs aren't able to cut a stable release due to the one person who has the privileges to do that holding them hostage for some reason. What a mess.
There is such a thing as code that fixes things, but shouldn't be accepted upstream. i.e. if it fixed things in a janky way, or if the "real fix" is completely rewriting the buggy code instead of monkeypatching it.
Alternatively, maybe the patches are actively being worked on or reviewed, and it's known to fix some issues but also causes other issues, and they're trying to fix the other issues before merging.
Without actually looking for details on what the extra patches are and why they haven't been included yet, we can't assume internal drama for that.
because they are probably temporal fixes, so there is no reason to publish them when the os is not even usable. better just to wait that real fix will be done.
They evolved ❤
I have desktop Optiplex 380, I will try to install these latest releases
At least it doesn't randomly bluescreen lol
bro back in 2014 when i was 2 my dad had that laptop running xp or vista
Thanks michael for reminding me to finish my DIABLO I playthrough 37:51
who wants redhotsonic to do an episode called reactos but does it work on real hardware
basically part 2 of reactos but everything goes wrong lol
15 years and still bad... i wanna like this OS so much as a replacement for windows but... 15 YEARS....
After more than 2 decades and this is not what I thought that it would be. Confusing!
Unfortunately it will never get to beta....
I think it will eventually get there. The version 1.0 though is something we may never see, given that while ReactOS still targets Server 2003 R2 as a model for its architecture, Windows will get improved more and more and eventually there will a question whether or not they should change its architecture to match newer Windows version and it will never end.
That is unless they want to just reimplement the core of Windows Server 2003 and just stop there.
I really wonder if ReactOS will ever become an actual good alternative to Windows.
I'm on Linux right now and I love Linux, don't get me wrong... but a lot of use cases for Windows are just impossible with Linux. And it'd be really nice to get an actual good alternative.
Do note: I don't mean a replacement. Just an alternative.
Utopian