Microsoft and Apple Wanted This OS - GeoWorks Rise and Fall

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  • @RetroRecipes
    @RetroRecipes 12 часов назад +56

    Yay a new Dan Wood vid! 👍🕹

    • @Thiesi
      @Thiesi 11 часов назад +6

      Wow, I had no idea the _Dan Wood Retro Programme_ could be received over - or better under - in _Lost Angeles!_

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes 5 часов назад +2

      @@Thiesi I'll have to add another verse to the song now!

    • @PHSPictures
      @PHSPictures 2 часа назад +2

      ​@@Thiesi- Dan Wood's (like Perifractic's) influence reaches everywhere and everyone.
      However, only Ladyfractic can touch my heart. 😊

    • @nneeerrrd
      @nneeerrrd Час назад

      ​@@RetroRecipeshow is CCPway business going, coward?

  • @samshort365
    @samshort365 11 часов назад +18

    Geoworks Ensemble was my favourite GUI on my 386sx Laptop. I recently installed it on a VM just for a bit of nostalgia. TY, Dan.

    • @dbranconnier1977
      @dbranconnier1977 9 часов назад +1

      The Brother Geobook laptops ran Geoworks.

  • @TekTherapy
    @TekTherapy 10 часов назад +14

    Finally a Dan Wood video again.. day is complete!

  • @rs.matr1x
    @rs.matr1x 11 часов назад +11

    Funny how it was originally called GEOS but was never technically an OS. I suppose now that it's open source, under the Apache license, one could theoretically make it a full OS rather than solely a shell/productivity suite.

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak 8 часов назад +2

      Perhaps by integrating it into MS-DOS 4.01, which is also open source?

    • @BozesanVlad
      @BozesanVlad 4 часа назад

      Or make it a shell as an alternative for Linux ones

  • @sashakoshka
    @sashakoshka 4 часа назад +6

    a shame that this fell by the wayside. imagine if it were more successful, and the motif style got modernized over the years instead of microsoft's

  • @dougjohnson4266
    @dougjohnson4266 11 часов назад +34

    Because PC-GEOS/Ensemble was stuck in x86 real mode, the future of the product was limited. By the time W95 was released, it was over. Still, for its time, it was a fantastic product. You do not need to close out a program before starting another. It also has preemptive multitasking and you can shutdown with apps open and it would open them all back in the same location with whatever docs just as you left it.

    • @arnolduk123
      @arnolduk123 6 часов назад +6

      It's all down to marketing, nothing to do whatsoever with x86 real mode or being limited. Windows was limited being 16bit and also needed real mode to boot, so what. PC-GEOS was way ahead of Windows 3x, MS knew it and wanted to buy them out. GEOS had many Win9x features under the hood before that was released. MS were bundling their products with new PC's and providing SDK's to developers, that's how they dominated the market with their OS.

    • @Underestimated37
      @Underestimated37 2 часа назад +2

      yup they also deliberately closed off the windows API with hidden features that Microsoft only knew of that allowed their apps to outstrip competitors. A lawsuit was launched to force MS to be more open but by the time that resolved (not in MS’s favour too) all the competitors had been killed off.

  • @fragalot
    @fragalot 4 часа назад +9

    2:40 So were all version of Windows from version 1, 2, 3.1x, 95, 98 and Millennium Edition; they were all just GUIs on top of MS-DOS.

    • @rickh8380
      @rickh8380 2 часа назад +1

      Windows... The colorful clown suit for DOS.

    • @WarrenGarabrandt
      @WarrenGarabrandt Час назад +4

      From Windows 95 on, Windows had its own Kernel that used DOS to load, but was very much not just a gui built on top of dos. Dos was not a multitasking os, but Windows 95 onwards definitely were.

  • @rkadowns
    @rkadowns 3 часа назад +5

    I loved this software. It ruined Windows 3.1 for me to the point where I ended up migrating from Ensemble to OS/2 Warp simply because Win3.1 felt like such a downgrade from Ensemble.

  • @joshuadramsey
    @joshuadramsey 11 часов назад +13

    Had no idea about this one. I definitely remember the company's C64 GEOS, though. When I was a teenager, I pulled out my childhood C64 and found that the "old" GEOS loading disk was bad. So, I ended up throwing out disks with my childhood journal entries and stories written in GEOS, since I had nothing to view them with. Ugh.

  • @PaulVandersypen
    @PaulVandersypen 4 часа назад +2

    Back in the Commodore days, one of the contributing authors in a magazine published a proof of concept game for the Commodore 128 running in GEOS which was in colour. Until then, it was claimed that GEOS was incapable of colour because of hardware limitations.

  • @michaelshopshire5819
    @michaelshopshire5819 4 часа назад +2

    I was a PhD student.at the University of California, Berkeley in 1986, and bought GEOS for my Apple //c. GEOS was.developed in the city of Berkeley. It was slow on my //c, but excellent on my new IBM 286 PS/1 monochrome black and white VGA monitor in 1990. I wrote my dissertation on Word Perfect but used GEOS for the figures. I purchased all the subsequent versions of the software out of loyalty into 2000 as,I recall. Of course I used Windows when I had my first job in 1993 and had state of the art computers at UCSF. I liked how GEOS (later version, new name) was later marketed as a way that older computers could be used with a GUI for people who could not afford a Windows compatible computer in 2000.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 8 часов назад +2

    Always only saw this on screenshots, this looks really really cool especially in earlier incarnations when Windows didn't yet fully arrived.

  • @alain99v6
    @alain99v6 9 часов назад +2

    in the mid 90's Geoworks Ensemble helped me to sell a big load of Philips 286 12 mghz pc that I bought for very cheap from the Canadian gov surplus. currently rebuilding an XT turbo pc that I want to upgrade with a Picomem card I would love to find extra softwares for Ensemble

  • @phill6859
    @phill6859 9 часов назад +2

    Microsoft were good at compatibility and business. Which is the only reason they still exist. They should have sold to Microsoft

  • @inerlogic
    @inerlogic 5 часов назад +2

    It has Tetris? Shit, i need geoworks in a VM....

  • @hgesser
    @hgesser 11 часов назад +7

    Yes, the font system was excellent. I remember that on a large paragrph you could change the font size from, say, 12 pt to 11.9 pt, and that would actually make a tiny change (when Word for Windows would only let you pick integers, 11 pt, 12 pt etc.).

  • @thechillhacker
    @thechillhacker 7 часов назад +2

    lol Windows 7? I know we all like to forget about W8, but wasn't even 8.1 out by 2009? That being said I would have rocked this then and may have to set up some random pc for it now.. Thanks Dan!

    • @Sixthhokage95
      @Sixthhokage95 17 минут назад

      Windows 7 was released in late 09; Win8 wouldn't be released for another 3 years, with 8.1 coming out in 2013.

  • @sohl947
    @sohl947 2 часа назад +1

    I was and am a big fan of GEOS on C64 and Geoworks Ensemble on a 486 PC. Made good use of the later in the early to mid 90s, mostly for some light desktop publishing. Thanks for a great run-through video!

  • @theodricaethelfrith
    @theodricaethelfrith 5 часов назад +1

    There were hacks for the OmniGo to expose the full Geos UI, as well as the underlying DOS, but the square screen cropped everything and made the experience unpleasant. I did it anyway 🤪

  • @binarydinosaurs
    @binarydinosaurs 6 часов назад +1

    I've been all about the old stuff since 1998, I know GEOS, I used CDE at work on DEC Alpha. How have I never heard of this?! Maybe I have and just lumped it in with GEOS, but...! Amazing. Yet another 'what if'.

  • @dan_mer
    @dan_mer 5 часов назад +1

    I used GEOS in the late 80s and later PC/GEOS in high school with a mouse. I wouldn't call it an operating system, it was just a GUI.

  • @cammobus
    @cammobus 8 часов назад +1

    I had GEOS for the Commodore pin 1986 ... took forever to load on a C64 and there was NO Memory left to do anything when you did
    But this was still cool to have

  • @sebastienkneur1280
    @sebastienkneur1280 2 часа назад +1

    It looks quite fast compared to my first PC running Windows 3.1 back in 1993.

  • @barrycheesemore2928
    @barrycheesemore2928 9 часов назад +1

    Wow, now there's a blast from the past! I remember a mate of mine running GEOS on his C64 many years ago. Brilliant video, really informative!

  • @NeonEUC
    @NeonEUC 8 часов назад +1

    lovely surprise. always makes my day seeing these rare videos you do 😊

  • @cdnsoul5808
    @cdnsoul5808 5 часов назад +1

    It was ahead of it's time. I also loved Qdos, the precursor to MS-Dos, which was a CP/M variant.

  • @wheelieblind
    @wheelieblind 8 часов назад +1

    I wonder how likely it is for GeoWorks etc. to crash, with windows 3.1 their was no question how often.

  • @retrospacenet
    @retrospacenet 12 часов назад +1

    a new dan wood video! yay!

  • @GoogleDoesEvil
    @GoogleDoesEvil 12 часов назад +5

    Dan Wood! You're back!

  • @Sombre____
    @Sombre____ 7 часов назад +1

    Didn't manage to migrate to RISC system.

  • @Trelgger
    @Trelgger 4 часа назад +1

    Thank God, you're still alive.

  • @ipavemyownroad
    @ipavemyownroad 12 часов назад +1

    You mean a Rolodex?

  • @theo-dr2dz
    @theo-dr2dz 5 часов назад +4

    It is not about the operating system. It is about the applications. No matter how good the os is, if it lacks applications, it willl fail. OS's don't sell computers, applications do. Only supernerds spend their time mucking around with the os, the vast majority of people just use the os to launch applications and as little as possible for anything else.

  • @jeroenboth167
    @jeroenboth167 12 часов назад +4

    I love operating systems so I’m exited to learn about this one 😁

  • @CD3WD-Project
    @CD3WD-Project 6 часов назад +5

    This is back when programmers knew how to program code without putting in a ton of fluff.
    Something like that would be 10 gigs nowadays...

    • @arnolduk123
      @arnolduk123 6 часов назад +1

      Sure was a programming genius to fit that OS onto 3 floppy disks and only require a 8088 or 286 with 4MB ram to run. Today, I need 100GB disk, 8GB ram and a 2Ghz quad core cpu to write a fecking word document, wtf! Not forgetting the MS/Google account to access my own feckng laptop and then a 10Mb net connection to download 200GB of updates! That's alot of fecking fluff!

    • @CD3WD-Project
      @CD3WD-Project 5 часов назад

      ​@@arnolduk123 I've worked in the IT field pretty much my whole life and played with computers since I was 5 years old. I think back a lot from the '90s and evening the early 2000s and a lot of times I only had dial-up my first mode on being a 300 bit and it amazes me how much we could get done in such a small amount of space programs in OSs have become so bloated it's absolutely insane and a lot of that has to do with sloppy programming and the compilers know it's easier for people to program overall nowadays but it puts a lot of unneeded junk in.
      It also I messes me how little I used The internet or even dial up services back in the day yet got so much accomplished nowadays if my internet goes out half the crap on my computer doesn't not even work properly.
      It's a sad state of affairs nowadays.

    • @paper_gem
      @paper_gem 5 часов назад +1

      Before programmers were passionate about computers. Nowadays programmers don't have that passion. They're just doing a job, and really don't give a darn about it.

    • @arnolduk123
      @arnolduk123 3 часа назад

      @@paper_gem that's true when it becomes a job. coding is all automated and reuse now and sadly not much 'real' programming is done anymore. a 5 year old can write an app today.

  • @alain99v6
    @alain99v6 3 часа назад

    the later versions mentioned in the video newdeals and breadbox. were they still compatible with 8088 XT class pc ?

  • @SproutyPottedPlant
    @SproutyPottedPlant 8 часов назад

    Wow nice to see you back, this would have been right up my alley if only I knew about it 😢 I saw on another video some Brother word processors ran it? I wonder if it’s possible to get it working on the MiSTer!

  • @Tense
    @Tense 6 часов назад

    Please tell me that the video you showed of the lady with a St Pauli Girl 12 pack holding up her monitor was a legit promotional video. That is amazing.

  • @AiOinc1
    @AiOinc1 9 часов назад

    I actually have GeoWorks floppies for PC, yeah

  • @a62dave
    @a62dave 58 минут назад

    What a trip down memory lane! 🤩 I started with a C64 running GEOS 1.2, graduated to 2.0, then got a C128D running GEOS 128 with the “128” versions of geoWrite, geoSpell, geoMerge, geoPublish, geoCalc, geoBase/geoFile, etc. I skipped GeoWorks for PC and went straight to Win95 in 1997.

  • @johnny14794
    @johnny14794 Час назад

    I use to own a Tandy Zoomer PDA that ran on GEOS and had also DOS 1.0 as it's base. It was very expensive at the time. I managed to hack it and do cmd in DOS and even run simple DOS programs. It was a fun PDA. Found your channel out of the blue and I really enjoyed it very much. You've earned a new subscriber. Keep these kinds of video coming. They are excellent! Cheers.

  • @whochecksthis
    @whochecksthis Час назад

    I totally remember this setup on systems and loved its history with commodore.
    I ran my dad’s business on my c-128 with the suite from geos. Wrote a lot of my college papers with it, and a Star micro line printer…
    Time travel, where are you?

  • @imurrx
    @imurrx 3 часа назад

    I had this installed in a 386. I had a Amiga 2000 prior to this and I needed a better program than the constantly crashing Amiga version of WordPerfect. Nothing was more frustrating loosing pages of texts when it froze. I got a "copy" of windows 3.0, it performed better booting dos programs but ugly. I had no problem using DOS was pretty sold on using Word Perfect. I eventually uninstalled it. I started using windows 3.1 when it came out.

  • @emdxemdx
    @emdxemdx 3 часа назад

    @6:20 Back when I was working on Macs 30 years ago, we had a phone dialer program that played the DTMF tones on the computer speaker itself, so if you wanted to dial a number, you picked up the phone, held it near the bulit-in speaker and clicked "DIAL", and the program would play the tones and your number would be dialed without having to touch the phone keypad…

  • @staninjapan07
    @staninjapan07 5 часов назад

    Good one thanks.
    I remember the computers at upper school in the mid-late 80s, but I cannot be sure about their names.
    Maybe BBC something and possibly Acorn something as you said.
    Then nothing until I went to Uni as a "mature" student in 1993, where we had Windows 3.1 if memory serves.
    I think a lot of people forget, as with other technologies, that we are still in our infancy with computers and operating systems, despite having (in theory?) quantum computing. Perhaps it is because we have come quite along way (in quite a short time really) that some people tend to think that what we have now has been around for ages.
    I thought you might have mentioned the early Linux versions in the second half of the video, as that was a 90s thing, too.
    Now, of course, there are almost countless versions of it, or should I say "them"?
    I enjoyed this.

  • @Cyco_Nix
    @Cyco_Nix Час назад

    As we have seen throughout the history of computers and technology, the best doesn't always win.

  • @britlion
    @britlion 4 часа назад

    I remember using Geoworks - probably 1.0 when I was on an 8086 PC, and with a 9 pin dot matrix printer. The print drivers were indeed amazing. It looked gorgeous. It was slow - like 6 pass per line, but managed to make the little relatively cheap printer look incredible.

  • @danw1955
    @danw1955 5 часов назад

    I had the latest version of GeoWorks Ensemble (2.01) running on a 1996 Packard Bell 66mhz?, I think. I loved it, especially the banner printing program which I used to make the first sign for my new PC repair business that I opened in '96. It's too bad that they sort of cut their own throats with the overpriced development kit to create new programs. It actually felt more stable than early versions of Windows and the interface was a lot more intuitive.😉👍👍

  • @Splungified
    @Splungified 4 часа назад

    It's funny that you published this video right now. I was just having a conversation about our old computers in chat the other day and I mentioned how we used GeoWorks on our 286. We had a C64 before that, but we never had a copy of GEOS for it.

  • @roymerkel8008
    @roymerkel8008 7 часов назад

    My favorite at the time was Commady Hour (the missile defense clone where you are blocking the tomatoes from hitting the bad commedians, which was part of the After Hours games collection).

  • @mystica-subs
    @mystica-subs Час назад

    The 8086 computer my uncle gave me around 1993 to 1994 had ensemble 1.2 on it. This is my youth here as well❤

  • @meetoo594
    @meetoo594 8 часов назад

    I had the mouse and cheese bundle on the c64 that included GEOS. I remember it being a bit fiddly to use and the apps were quite slow, especially the word processor. From memory the disk swapping when saving or loading anything was a tedious affair. It was the first WIMP OS I ever used though. The mouse had blue buttons iirc, more mice should have this.....

  • @domdecosa
    @domdecosa 10 часов назад +4

    There's no debate. It's not an operating system by definition. It's an operating environment.

    • @itsmenatika
      @itsmenatika 5 часов назад +1

      Just like early windows till 3.1 NT or xp

    • @domdecosa
      @domdecosa 21 минуту назад

      @@itsmenatikaNot just NT. Windows 9x are true operating systems. They only required MS-DOS to start the loading process. They have their own kernel separate from DOS.

  • @MistaGoodbytes
    @MistaGoodbytes 9 часов назад

    At last, a new Dan Wood video! But as always it has been well worth the wait. Great video, I remember reading about GEOS in Commodore Format in around 1994. By this time it was so late in the C64’s life, trying to find software locally was almost impossible.

  • @martinfobert9407
    @martinfobert9407 Час назад

    Were these guys related to the old GeoCities web hosting service from the mid 90s?

  • @bertfarry3793
    @bertfarry3793 7 часов назад

    Had geo operating runtime engine system to run Ventura publisher in dos till pagemaker came out on windows and the had VP for windows free with coreldraw suet

  • @rick420buzz
    @rick420buzz 11 часов назад +3

    I had it running in 640 by 200 monochrome on a Tandy 1000HX.

  • @davidgiffordsr.930
    @davidgiffordsr.930 8 часов назад

    Liked the viseo.
    Wonder if you might consider doing one on Desk View.
    Thanks for considering.

  • @RandomBitzzz
    @RandomBitzzz 3 часа назад

    Oldest machine I ever ran this on was a 286. It ran so much better than Windows on slower hardware.

  • @drackrkrazy
    @drackrkrazy 4 часа назад

    Used on colico adam 386 with color dot matrix printerand tape drive

  • @curties
    @curties 3 часа назад

    that they made it that long is amazing.

  • @chrismifsud7154
    @chrismifsud7154 10 часов назад

    Happy to see a new video. I was wondering what happened to your YT channel.

  • @PatrickOuthier
    @PatrickOuthier 5 часов назад

    I think I remember using a library catalog that ran on this.

  • @tripason127
    @tripason127 Час назад

    I wonder how this would run on modern hardware not in VM lol

  • @vwbug1975
    @vwbug1975 2 часа назад

    I still have a working GeoBook laptop.

  • @fabricio4794
    @fabricio4794 5 часов назад

    Lemme Guess : Someone Will Do an Open Source version.

  • @ctbfla
    @ctbfla 12 минут назад

    My first PC was a IBM PS/1 and it had Geoworks.

  • @more.power.
    @more.power. 5 часов назад

    Thanks Dan nice to see a new video from your channel

  • @randomfandom53
    @randomfandom53 9 часов назад

    Yessss a new video from Dan Wood! Thank you in advance sir!

  • @savagesarethebest7251
    @savagesarethebest7251 10 часов назад

    00:45 Wow! it was Y2K safe!

  • @nek0splat895
    @nek0splat895 9 часов назад

    you are very historycal :)

  • @mikechappell4156
    @mikechappell4156 2 часа назад

    The File browser reminds me of OS/2.

  • @kevincoones4368
    @kevincoones4368 6 часов назад

    Hi
    I wish i knew about this years ago.

  • @brunorodriguesmaso
    @brunorodriguesmaso 7 часов назад

    100% missed this. Thanks Dan!

  • @tanithis
    @tanithis 6 часов назад

    I used Geoworks on my Tandy 1000 XT as a teen.

  • @xianox8
    @xianox8 8 часов назад

    Welcome back!

  • @RonHelton
    @RonHelton 11 часов назад

    👍👍👍👍👍👍🕹🕹🕹🕹🕹🕹

  • @MrKurtHaeusler
    @MrKurtHaeusler 9 часов назад +2

    Why did you show the Acorn computers at the beginning when talking about an OS that ran on the PC (and had a background on the commodore)? I was like, oh, I didn't know GeoWorks ran on the BBC, let's check it out.

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 11 часов назад +2

    I almost spit my drink out when you said 2009, holy f...!
    Thanks for sharing this, I had no idea this even existed (somehow)!

  • @TurntableTV
    @TurntableTV 12 часов назад +5

    Quoting Romelly from Interstellar: "I've waited years" for this upload.

  • @coolvideos8864
    @coolvideos8864 12 часов назад +2

    at long last.... lol

  • @fernandlehners7787
    @fernandlehners7787 8 часов назад

    very interesting video.. But no mention about Geoworks 2.0 ?

    • @danwood_uk
      @danwood_uk  7 часов назад

      20:16 - admittedly briefly :)

  • @semicuriosity257
    @semicuriosity257 8 часов назад +2

    Windows NT 3.1 build 196 was released for developers in mid-September 1991, followed by Windows NT 3.1 October 1991 build.
    IBM released the PC/GEOS-based EduQuest SchoolView network management tool for K-12 schools in 1994. Negotiations to make PC/GEOS an integral part of IBM's PC DOS 7.0 failed.
    Windows NT 3.1 is memory-protected 32-bit preemptive multitasking.

    • @alexaneals8194
      @alexaneals8194 2 часа назад +1

      However, Windows NT 3.1 was not installed on most PCs in the day. It was Windows 3.1 which was 16 bit GUI on top of DOS and replaced by Windows 95. The NT line came when Microsoft and IBM split up when developing OS2 which was 32 bit and it was mostly used on Servers at the time.

  • @proteque
    @proteque 12 часов назад +1

    Great video! And nice to see you are back!

  • @fragalot
    @fragalot 4 часа назад +2

    Isn't this the same GUI that America Online used for it's DOS client?

    • @RavinRay
      @RavinRay 3 часа назад

      Yes, it was.

    • @mystica-subs
      @mystica-subs Час назад

      AOL is literally an icon in this video's thumbnail.

    • @k1ry4n
      @k1ry4n 29 минут назад

      It's very clearly explained in the video

  • @ebridgewater
    @ebridgewater 7 часов назад +1

    13:16 Nimbus. That takes me back. I am 38. All the computers in my secondary school (I was there 1997-2002) were RM Nimbus (there is a Wikipedia article) machines.

  • @mick1811
    @mick1811 12 часов назад +1

    I'm glad you're still making these videos Dan, always interesting and nostalgic.

  • @judewestburner
    @judewestburner 9 часов назад +1

    The multitasking thing reminds me of the Workbench 1.3 demos you used to see. Just amazing

  • @thelivingdodo2
    @thelivingdodo2 6 часов назад +1

    I grew up on GEM desktop on an Amstrad PC1640 before I ever used Windows

  • @bradallen8909
    @bradallen8909 5 часов назад +3

    Every OS is more powerful than Windows. Well okay, maybe not TempleOS.

  • @nneeerrrd
    @nneeerrrd Час назад +1

    CCPway ad = thumb down 👎🏻 and close the video.

  • @lvl90dru1d
    @lvl90dru1d 11 часов назад +1

    22:29 IIRC this actually happened but not with Apple, anyone remember cheap laptops with b/w screens and something liike 386 under the hood which were sold as far as 1996-97?

    • @dbranconnier1977
      @dbranconnier1977 9 часов назад +3

      The Brother Geobooks from the 1990s were cheap laptops that ran Geoworks.

    • @lvl90dru1d
      @lvl90dru1d 9 часов назад

      @@dbranconnier1977 yes, exactly they, thanks

  • @brunosouza2918
    @brunosouza2918 6 часов назад +1

    🫵🏻🇧🇷✌🏻

  • @brunosouza2918
    @brunosouza2918 6 часов назад +1

    🌎⚙️🌍⚙️🌏

  • @brunosouza2918
    @brunosouza2918 6 часов назад +1

    》(PC) iBM-DOS, MS-DOS, DR-DOS/NOVELL-DOS ...

  • @JustJamie1983
    @JustJamie1983 11 часов назад

    Good to see a new video. I was only checking earlier

  • @GeorgesChannel
    @GeorgesChannel 8 часов назад

    Great video, Dan! Looks like a Unix-Gui and far better than WIndows 3.1. I Also like GEM and the OS of the Archimedes..

  • @AdamChristensen
    @AdamChristensen 10 часов назад

    I grew up with GEOS on C64. I've got to try out this PC suite. Cool!

  • @WyMustIGo
    @WyMustIGo 9 часов назад +1

    The Amiga OS was more powerful than both

  • @Drew-Dastardly
    @Drew-Dastardly 4 часа назад +1

    Everyone knows that TempleOS was the best modern OS. Unfortunately the brilliant creator, Terry Davis was cut short in life. I am actually sad because he was a genius.