Christopher Hitchens' Epic Opening Statement @IQ² Debate Part 1
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- The statement or motion under discussion was "we'd be better off without religion"
This is the debate that took place on 27/03/07.
Hitchens quite obviously is a defender of the motion and what we see here is his opening argumentation in favor of the motion.
Taken from the full length video available for free on www.intelligenc...
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Most of us can only hope to possess even a fraction of this level of eloquence. A brilliant mind.
@Mark The Atheists i know behave more like Christians than the Christians i know.
I strive for such eloquence in my daily life.
@Mark Kenny who else would you blame?
@Mark Kenny Not when the crimes are specifically permitted by the Bible no. Think slavery, genital mutilation, domestic violence, homophobia and the subjugation of women for example. All are given explicit justification in the Bible.
Apartied was condoned in South Africa by the Boer churches, the Catholic Church similarly turned a blind eye to the extermination of the Jews and only ceased blaming them for the death of Christ in the latter half of the 20thC all previously justified supposedly on biblical principle.
Let's not get started on the various crusades against the Muslims or the genocides against the Baltic, German and central American peoples all carried out Bible in hand over hundreds of years.
How can you not blame Christianity itself?
@Mark Kenny So you reject the Genesis story? Or are you selective about what you accept from the Old Testament? Where do you stand on Revalations and the rapture? You can't pick and choose the bits you like from the bits you don't like, you know that don't you? In any event the justification for the persecution of the Jews was based on the New Testament.
This debate was my first introduction to Christopher Hitchens 10 years ago. Changed my life and how I thought.
So now you're a fool too. You must be proud.
Your bitch Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you dumbasses are heading.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.
"thrown into a lake of fire". Wow, you are an incredibly evil and malicious person. The complete antithesis (look it up) of what your religion claims to espouse. You are an embarrassment to the faith.
I actually watched him every day for ages, even bought his books and planned to go and watch a lecture when he was in London. Then as I made my way through videos I saw him losing his hair and getting thinner and I searched him and I was literally heart broken that he'd died years before. I felt so cheated.
@@ExcitingBob looky here what the a dingbat puts who can't get around what I wrote...
""thrown into a lake of fire". Wow, you are an incredibly evil and malicious person. The complete antithesis (look it up) of what your religion claims to espouse. You are an embarrassment to the faith."
What faith, the blind faith you follow or the biblical faith I wrote about? Hey, look up Reading 101, take the course and then actually try to disprove what I wrote rather than pretending you did somehow. I know your slow but with effort you may be able to at least try.
@@flexgunship6345 so you felt cheated because you want to learn more useless crap from Hitch? Amazing.
His command of the English language is without equal. Really miss his presence in our world.
Recrudescence -- had to look that one up
Very well put. He was a guiding light in this insane world. How I miss him.
Yes.
It's just his pompous attitude, and English accent.
Hitchens is dead, Jesus Christ lives
I agree with the majority of things I have heard him say,but it is his accent combined with his unparalleled vocabulary and eloquence that I will miss so much.He had so much more work to produce.R.I.P Christopher.
What do you mean RIP? According to his atheistic religion, there is nothing after death. Truth is, he's not resting, he's in anguish and regret for mocking God and bringing countless people into a Godless evil cult.
@@truthkeeperfilms What do you mean by atheistic religion?
@@shaheenwani8825 - Well, its a religion. You believe in it, practice it, and congregate with others like you.
@@truthkeeperfilms Then according to your definition of religion all political parties are also religions?
@@truthkeeperfilms Btw wdym by practising it?
& when do we congregate with other atheists ? 😂
I would literally give 5 years off my life if it would pay for his return or better yet could have prevented his death.
I know what you mean. I really miss his voice and perspective.
Empty pointless words, your comment.
Whenever I try to decide whether a person is righteous or not I ask myself this question, would I allow him to babysit my children? Would you allow Hitchens to babysit yours?
It was Hitchens a man I've never met that changed my life forever! from been a spiritist I've became a hard-core Atheist, this after decades of prostration, adoration and licking arse to an impotent non-existing deity and his minions made up by mass delusions. Thank You Christopher!! may the echo of your mellifluous voice resonate for as long as humans inhabit the Planet.
Lord Byron Do you honestly believe our existence and the creation of this universe is accidental? Allah explain everything about life and promise to bring us back to life after death. We have a duty to seek his message and that message is recorded for us in the Holy Quran. I’m not asking you to convert or change your life style but to just open that book and see what it says about the purpose of life. There should be more in life than just food, sex and shelter. Please read the Quran and let me know I’ll ship one for you or go to your local mosque and inquire. We have one chance in life let make the most out of it before it’s too late. Tnx
Lord Byron also please listen to this lecture by ex hard-core Atheist Professor Jeff Lang titled the purpose of life.
"Impotent non-existing deity?" That statement comes from a creature whose existence who had nothing to do with his existence...NOTHING! Prove that YOU exist on your or even Hitchens merit! Prove it! Our existence comes from someone outside ourselves. As for prostration...simple faith will do...BELIEVETHEGOSPEL!!!
Maybe you have things a lot easier than you imagined? Maybe you are blessed more than you realize? Ask yourself why you should be entitled to anything?
But maybe you should read the New Testament and learn that Jesus wasnt just a prophet, as is said falsley in the not-so holy quran. or even a false prophet like mohamed ( who murdered many and his "disciples" murdered many more, even to this day) but God in the flesh. Who else but God could be killed and rise again, eh?
ps. Also read: Son of HamasBook by Mosab Hassan Yousef (the son of hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef)
THEN tell others what to read..
Absolutely brilliant! He had so much to teach us about ourselves. it is so sad the world lost him 10 years ago. He can't be replaced.
His brother Peter is a believer in God 😮
We miss Carlin and Hitchens now more than ever .
I am so disappointed that I had not discovered this master orator at an earlier age and had the opportunity to attend his talks, lectures, debates and to even have conversation with him.
I am however grateful to have discovered him and to hear his eloquence and read his brilliance in challenging those who dictate that religion is absolute. Thank you Christopher Hitchens. Thank you.
Yeah, then you could have been stupid even sooner.
Your Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you fools are heading.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow Hitchens.
2fast2block I’m a demon and I’m coming for you. Everyday. Until eternity
@@ivanclarke12 you'll have to get in line. But, "Until eternity", sorry, you're not lasting that long; I am though.
we need you now more than ever before....
I miss his Epic intelligence, he was not finished yet. I feel like he knew this too.
He actually did. He once said one of the disappointing things about getting cancer at the inconvenient time that he did, was that he had to stop there. Most people get to retire when they're done and used up, but He felt like he had so much more to say - and I believe him. You can watch him say this in a couple of his later interviews.
I heard him say he envied the young people. I think this was said in his second to last filmed debate. It made me tear up too think the switch was getting turned off on his brilliant mind.
Imagine how valuable his presence would be now. We still have great minds available to us, but his was the greatest of all on this subject.
@castroy64 lol because theocracy leads to the majority of human conflict and it's literally evil. People need to act against religion because it is the sole reason for significant amounts of violence atrocities. Its disgusting.
@castroy64 - Because you fanatics want to inject your vile ignorant beliefs into public policy by spreading your Christian Sharia Law across America. You want to turn our public schools into Christian Madrasas. You want to get preferred treatment by government by never paying taxes.
We don't care what you believe, but you fanatics refuse to keep it to yourselves, you want to infect the rest of society with your ignorance.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good
things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil
things, that takes religion.Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
US physicist (1933 - )
Thats actually very good quote
E- Bark
Thank you.
sorely missed no one has come close to his knowledge and public speaking what a sad loss to the world
Dumb quote, but it works for people that need it. How about this: Was Hitch a "good person" when he dumped his then-pregnant wife for another woman? Was that a good deed? In his mind it was... e.g. "if I'm truly in love with another woman, it'll be better for us both"... which approach can basically allow one to self-justify just about any action under the sun and still allow you to remain in the "good person" camp. Which is BS. It didn't take religion for Hitch to routinely be an ass. Not to mention his virtual abandonment of his kids, who clearly took a backseat to his own ambition.
I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine that religion has kept many a person from following in Hitch's footsteps in both of these regards. Right or wrong (whether or not religion is true or not), if you think the deity is gonna pulverize you for such misdeeds, people will think twice about doing them, and maybe not be so eager to self-justify their bad behavior. The entire "anti-religion" thing is a card that's way overplayed. As if religionists-become-atheists suddenly become these super-useful-to-society, loving individuals upon their "conversion". More often than not, it's the other way 'round.
The argument that religion is a net negative is pure bunk. Hitch famously roasted Mother Theresa, but Mother Theresa, quite frankly, ran circles around Hitch in spreading good in this world. Whether she was right in her motivations or beliefs is a philosophical question. Her actions, however, were indisputably superior to his.
Hitch was eloquent and entertaining. But he was not nearly as logical as he was eloquent and entertaining.
Hitchens's towering intellect is truly a wonder to behold. His brilliant, irrefutable contributions to rational discourse are sorely missed.
Whenever I try to decide whether a person is righteous or not I ask myself this question, would I allow him to babysit my children? Would you allow Hitchens to babysit yours?
@@jeffforsythe9514 why don’t you take care of your own children?
I see that you are one of those people who avoid answering a question by asking another, well I have a question for you, yes and no? possibly not and How Long is a Chinaman? Maybe? Before but not after and what age aren't you yesterday, boing? Would you allow Hitchens to sit on your baby? babyface nelson and is it okay to count one chicken before it hatches?
@@jeffforsythe9514 Yes. A priest? Hell no!
R.I.P Christopher, an absolute Legend who stood up for his beliefs in very articulate manner.
I remember first watching this (I didn’t really know who Hitchen’s was at the time) and thinking “what the hell is he doing? He’s setting himself up for failure” and being blown away by what follows. A total genius!
We need Hitchens now Fall 2020 more than ever.
January 2021 here and we still need him badly.
We need Hitchens now 18:39:45.26 UTC March 25, 2022 more than ever
This man was so far above the rest of us it's like he was from another World. Thank God we have his videos left to us. So sad I never heard of him until he passed away ):
Speak for yourself. He was a mere narrow minded moron who inflicted a slow means of suicide on himself rather than yield his pride to his creator and now he is likely condemned himself to a eternal damnation, pain and suffering. Not the kind of role model I would want.
@@terrylunsford352 yeah, we know your role model: it's in your mind.
@@terrylunsford352 so god created us so we will worship him and believe in him? Is that the ultimate test u guys were referring to? Is it that simple?
Terry Lunsford So is God your only imaginary friend or do you have others?
"Thank God we have his videos..." umm shouldn't you say "Thank Nothing"
Demolishing and enlightening at once… so much wisdom in such a short time, it hurts
Ferocious intellect matched with ferocious courage = The Hitch.
For those who believe that God punished Hitchens by giving him cancer and taking his life. I think if true, how cruel, thin skinned and petty one has be.
people live,people die . cigarette's gave Christopher cancer. Not some myth
The Not Real Jesus Christ maybe, maybe not. one could Wonder who or what gives 5 year old children cancer... could that culprit be God???
Rob Darling pot luck.
Who brings the pie?
Anyone who actually believes that hasn't stopped to think about the implications of it.
It basically means God is a kid with an ant farm and a magnifying glass.
Recrudescence: the recurrence of an undesirable condition. Just in case I'm not the only one that needed to look it up.
Watching in 2019!
Finding bad 'god' men?...meh...adorable....but it's really about finding the TRUE GOD. See BethlehemStar.net for His 'welcome to earth' parade on NASA software.
Spoiler....something stopped over a small town on exactly 25Dec2BC...."Seek and ye shall find" -Jesus
@@reigngage Read the room Ray...
Damn! That one ended too soon.
The life and the video.
A true genius. We miss men like him these days...
My Christian friend just had a baby and I told him, if God's gift to you is so perfect why are you having his genitals altered?
Don Wanderley Ask him if he would cure cancer if he had that power.
Then ask if his god would. oh.. wait.. :p
+Don Wanderley Tell him that if he loves the child, he should kill it after baptizing it. Because if he allows it to grow up then it has a chance to sin and go to Hell. If he kills it now, it'll go to Heaven. Then watch as he realizes how stupid his faith really is.
hes also absolutely right
It's a fair question given that he stated as so.
It is not medically ethical to perform medical surgery on any person which is not in need.
Perhaps the wisest man ever to be ignored ?
Yours is perhaps the most silly comment justly ignored.
Simply the best on this topic..language..accent..knowledge... untouchable..
Your bitch Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you dumbasses are heading.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.
I think is Hitchens is amazing and sadly missed.
Well he is missed but lead many people astray
You're easily decieved.
Love that Hitchens delivers this opening statement at the wrong podium, at the oppositions podium. A great metaphor for Hitchens' moral and physical courage, I'd say (albeit unintended in this specific case)
His legacy continues to shed light.🌟⭐️🌟⭐️🌟⭐️🌟☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️
He's my hero.He makes me feel calm and I don't know why.Brilliant man who will never be forgotton.
He had a way of removing guilt or the thought of guilt which is what religion has always used as a means of control and it is easy to control people who constantly question themselves but Hutch had a way of showing guilt for what it is, a useless but powerful emotion - He had a matter of fact way of addressing things we feared and shined a light on their absurdities - He made us feel that we are okay just the way we are
If only I could speak like Hitchens, sadly missed...
Look up if there is a dabate club near you. Join and try your best.
The museum has painting classes but I’ll never be Rembrandt.
@ what?
So you must be proud of your fool idol.
Your bitch Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you dumbasses are heading.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.
@@2fast2block "Judged by God" Is Santa also on the comity, and what about the easter bunny?
A beautiful speaker. A man who inspired millions and helped them look for the truth. A great man.
When I was asked something very similar, I replied, admittedly immodestly, with questions of my own. "Am I a Protestant in Bavaria in 1540? A Catholic in Saxony in 1540? A Bogomil in Bulgaria in 1230? A Cathar in Languedoc in 1215? A Palestinian in the West Bank anytime since about 1948? A Catholic or Protestant in the wrong neighbourhood in Ulster in 1975? A Jewish person in Catholic Castile in 1500? A Catholic in Catholic Castile in 1500? Or am I anyone in a modern secular humanist democracy?". I knew I made my point when my friendly interlocutor stormed off in a tantrum.
Well said and yes, they absolutely hate it when you can cite instance after instance of deviation and estrangement, it destroys their position of continuity.
Whose truth is it again? The Eastern Orthodox truth? The Catholic truth? The Anglican truth? The Mormon truth? The Baptist truth? The Wiccan truth? The Great Earth Mother truth? The Gnostic truth? The Eleusinian Mysteries truth? The Orphic truth? The Methodist's truth? The Pentecostal truth? The Evangelical truth? The Lutheran truth? The Seventh Day Adventist Truth? The Jehovah's Witnesses truth? The Shi'ite Muslim truth? The Suni Muslim Truth? The Orthodox Jewish truth? The Pharisee Truth? The Sikh truth? The Baha'i truth? The Shinto Pantheon truth? The Hindu Pantheon truth? The Animist's truth? The Greek Pantheon truth? The Confucian truth? The Taoist truth? The Sufi Truth? The Mithraist truth? The Zoroastrian truth? The Scientologist truth? The Sumerian Pantheon truth?
*How many truths are there until we get the real facts?* When you decide which one of the countless gods is the true one, you still have yet even more work to do to *prove that it's the correct choice.*
Without a doubt the only argument you can currently present is “my belief sucks less than theirs”.
Everyone who believes that God punished Hitchens by giving him cancer and taking his life is missing a crucial point. At te risk of sounding like Hitchens if this IS a punsment then ALL who get cancer and their lifes taken ARE being punished.....
Thats your fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, sons and daugthers, grandparents, uncles ants, husbands and wives, cousins , nephews and nieces, best friends, neighbours, co-workers, schoolfriends, teachers, local barbers and so on by the bilions. All but most dying cruel and horrifying deaths. So get up from behind your PC walk up to your next of kin suffering at this very moment, cuz by share numbers you MUST have one, look at their agony and dare say: You are being punished......
If a god did cause the death of Hitchens . He was 40 years too late. The damage to god and his power base was already done by Hitchens 60 th year. Not the brightest all knowing god eh.
You can shorten your life by negative words. Every case must be taken on an individual basis. Hitchens in my opinion cornered himself like he had a personal vendetta against the idea of God. His very person. It was like God d#$! Him and I will roll over any verbally like a Nazi blitzkrieg! I found out something. Life goes on. Praise Jesus!!!
well not quite by the billions yet ! ...and it's 'sheer' not 'share'.
@@fothgt"and I will roll over any verbally like a Nazi blitzkrieg " What do you mean?
I am a Christian and would never say that God punished Hitchens by giving him cancer. That is ridiculous! It doesn't work that way. Christians get cancer too...I am a cancer survivor myself. We live in a sinful and imperfect world. Bad things happen to everyone for that reason. Our lives - however short or long - are the 'time of grace' we are given to come to God. Both God's blessings and the curse of sin affect all of us in this life...
You are what a true soldier should be defined as. The world is lucky to have an individual such as yourself fighting for us.
On behalf of mankind, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I was vastly amused by his description of Dawkins as the moderate voice of atheism. I suppose Richard had not yet gone so far as to describe the fictitious Heaven as a worse dictatorship than North Korea!
No religious person could argue face to face with this towering intellectual and not come away looking silly.
Religious person ? you're correct. Godly person , not so.
If they're to argue the validity of a particular religion, you have to admit that the faithful would be bringing a cold fish to a gun fight. On other subjects, though, there have been many religious people who could and did impress Hitchens with their intellects.
Yet still there's something fundamentally missing from Hitchens.
Jim Foster - Give us a little hint, ok?
That is why he never debated Jordan Peterson, who would have ripped him to shreds.
He's needed more than ever.
I like to think of myself as being well-informed, but I would never want to find myself opposite the Hitch in a debate.
If Hitchens is in hell, he's probably toasting Satan with a pint of brandy while listening to Hendrix and Janis Joplin perform...live, or dead.
+David Smith If that is indeed the case, then I am no longer afraid of death.
Yes indeed, and well met!
+David Smith Hell doesn't exist. That's the whole point.
Marcus Fart Obviously.
+David Smith * Johnny walker Black scotch. that was his favourite. :)
I am from WB, but work in Mumbai (/ Bombay).
Christopher Hitchens is my biggest inspiration in life. ❤ 💐
How did you get life in this universe? Do you have a clue how we got the universe and all that's in it on its own? Hitch couldn't yet he's an inspiration to you. For what, not being able to think much?
The sub-conscious desire to walk into enemy fire here is amazing. He strode all the way over to their pulpit.
Hitchens had a very sharp brain, and a rapier for a tongue.....he will be sorely missed by one and all....
He was a loser just like you are.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
stunning - miss him
I know I did something good in my life: my children are both atheists.
Oh how we miss you Hitch
What if you are wrong? Eternal life is at stake. Have you ever asked
God to reveal Himself to you? I John 4:14. "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." It is either true....or it isn't.
@@LMike2004 Look if you want to believe in Mickey Mouse fine with me, I don't have any imaginary friends. And I'm sure glad that my children don't either
@@LMike2004 That is called Pascal's Wager. What if you have the wrong religion, or the wrong version of the religion?
If you believe in hell, are you equally afraid of the various hells of religions that you are not a part of?
@@leyrua Which God is God? The God of the Bible states in Isaiah 46:5-10 to give up our false Gods and follow Him. "5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
6 They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down, yea, they worship.
7 They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; from his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, nor save him out of his trouble.
8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
@MrTron great response this is why I'm an ex Muslim from the uk organised religions dont make any sense at all. Take the abrahamic sacrifice story as one example it is just that a story coming from greek and roman mythology! sacrificing a animal for god and wanting to eat it afterwards is very unethical and immoral cruel infact what kind of god would allow this...?!
Ancient Egiptians beleived every person dies 3 times: first, when he/she stops breathing, second, when buried, and third, when forgotten. Mr. Hitchens and his ideas will never die.
Mayito "Do you not know that a man is not dead while his name is still spoken?”
Terry Pratchett Going Postal
Exactly! Which prooves ancient egiptians were right. They even left us momies for us to have a solid proof of their existance.
@@mayito9100 Yep. BTW have you read / seen Neil Gaiman's "American Gods". The Egyptian gods are very well treated.
No I have not
@@mayito9100 The recent TV version (series 1 and 2) is on Amazon Prime. It's good, but I prefer the novel (The Author's Preferred Text, mind you). The question Gaiman sets out to deal with is: What happens to supernatural beings when immigrants move from their homelands. And America is where oh so many immigrants have resettled over the centuries. Look out for the Ibis and Jacquel Funeral Parlour in Cairo. Illinois.
The broadcaster who asked Hitch this question was Dennis Prager of the so-called Prager University (PragerU). I don’t believe he’s asked it since.
There actually is a video of Hitchens recalling this exact exchange while Prager is in the audience, or opposite him in debate. Prager argues he formulated the question differently, specifically asking about American prayer meetings I believe. I can't find the video anymore.
One of the best opening statements I've ever seen. Hitchens is god.
Dorcia But I thought God doesn’t exist?
Maybe he just played a practical joke on us to illustrate that, yes, god is dead
@Bob Rabbins no, because not everyone dies of throat cancer for using their mouth like an asshole. And many assholes die from asshole cancer. So yeah, sometimes cancer is a symbiotic reaction to how a person lives. A lot of women get tit cancer cuz their stupid tits. Like my mom. I love my momma but couldnt help her not be a tit
Not even an irony. You will probably get brain cancer for being a recidivist idiot.
I feel sorry for Joseph. He ended up married to a woman who, even after he married her would not allow him to have sex. She then had an affair and instead of admitting it she told her husband that it was a virgin birth.
Joseph, to keep his wife and keep the peace goes along with this, probably because he loved her. This resulted in Joseph and Mary bringing up Jesus from birth, all along the way telling him that he was the son of God.
They produced this precocious child who told anybody that would listen to him that he was the son of God. None of the religious people of the time believed him, he was rejected by them and the authority figures of the time crucified him.
The moral of the story is that you should not lie to children. I hope some religious people read this: Do Not Lie To Children!
All myth. No one in the bible ever existed.
Pierre M Shit! I've been trying to teach my pet snake to talk for years.
There are bits of the Gospels, words attributed to Jesus, that are significantly more advanced than anything in the Hebrew Scriptures. There could have been an unusually intelligent amateur Rabbi who said them. One can believe that without accepting all of the other rubbish in these tales.
Then again there is the thesis that they were cribbed from Philo of Alexandria.
Jesus of Galilee may have existed (lots of authorities maintain that even Nazareth didn't, at the time of the story), but it's just as likely that he did not.
Herod did, but not at the time alleged as Anno Domini Unum.
Differ Dog He was an idiot for love.
I have seen so many clips from this debate... I need to watch it in its entirety...
One of this better debates on the topic, definitely worth a look :)
I like Hitchens. Iraq/Mesopotamia were not at war for 30 years when the coalition invaded them. That was all on one agent to push that war
Christophers Hitchens died and went to heaven. Arguing with god, the smartest being in the universe, Hitchens soon proved his existence logically impossible. God, being so smart, agreed, and poof, no more heaven.
Thanks for not only your service, but for your reasoning and honesty.
"Would you be more afraid of a group coming at you from a prayer meeting" than from a pub? Yes.
@Jack Van Berg They probably would...
*Ive been blessed to be alive in the era that this man took his powerful guns against the stupid an barbaric religious idiots. Only when we get rid of religious idiocy is when we will start fighting for the true problems that face humanity.*
David, I'm for getting rid of idiocy too in all its forms. One form being, atheism. If a person wants to be an atheist, I'd fight for their freedom be believe as they like as long as it does not affect others. If atheists want to speak about their justification for believing what they believe, have had it. So do I have things to say as a Christian. I think Hitchens is a great representative for atheists in that he can bitch, but he never answers anything.
I believe by science that creation was done by supernatural means by a supernatural creator. To believe otherwise is stupid. And this pattern of being stupid will follow with other clear evidence of supernatural means by a supernatural creator. Yet the "idiocy" of atheists refuses to honestly look at what they're up against scientifically because they set their pattern of denying proof from the start.
@@2fast2block You are fast with words but not with facts. You probabla will have luck fooling a lot of people and if you are in america you could mae millions out of it. Good luck.
@@D_isco_D_ancer "You are fast with words but not with facts."
Yep, you're the atheist type, alright. You just complain as if you have evidence for a natural creation to counter my claim, but you give no facts. Hitchens taught you well with the ol' huff and bluff which does nothing against substance.
Come on, grow a pair and stop being a wimp. Give your evidence how creation happened by natural means since that's what you believe and everyone else is an idiot for believing a supernatural creation. I'm calling your bluff, you pathetic wimp.
@@2fast2block Come on, grow a pair and stop being a wimp. Give your evidence how creation didn't happen by natural means since that's what you believe and everyone else is an idiot for believing natural selection. I'm calling your bluff, you pathetic wimp.
I await your reply.🤔
A refreshing stream. That is what listening to hitch is like. Being near flowing water.💔💕💔💕💔💕💔💕
God’s word is so perfect, his own followers are confused and killing one another for slightly disagreeing.
As if you know God's word. You're a joke like Hitch was.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only shallow people follow Hitchens.
@@2fast2block If you had actual evidence you wouldn’t need faith, smart guy.
Troll harder.
@@2l84me8 like Hitch, you have to ignore evidence put right in from of you. It's what you losers do.
@@2fast2block Neat. Where is said evidence exactly? Can you give me some?
@@2l84me8 silly games are all you losers have. That somehow makes your empty life mean something to you.
You make my day xD
"Also, do you need faith for belief?"
I am not sure you meant to ask the question like this since I originally suggested that having knowledge means you no longer need faith for a belief.
Faith is the foundation for believing in something without anything to support the reason for believing. You don't need faith to believe, faith is an attempt to give validation or credit toward the belief.
If you have knowledge, you don't need faith and you don't need belief.
RIP
+Why Not? Sad loss to humanity like George Carlin and Bill Hicks.....
Hitchens' response reminded me of a joke. A man was walking down a street in Belfast when an armed, masked man jumps out and asks, "Are you Catholic or Protestant?" Knowing that either answer may get him kill, he responses, "I'm Jewish." The armed man smiles and say, "Well, I'm the luckiest Palestinian in all of Ireland."
I am nearly 40 years old. I only discovered CH about 8 years ago. He died way too soon. I hope, I wonder, I really do... that we will find a modern replacement who can command the English language and logic and humour and knowledge like this man. He is like an alien from the future who visited us to educate us.
no such thing as hell
+OZ Dunstan nor is there such thing as a triangle.
+Robert Renner 🔼
nor heaven, nor pergatory, nor a place where religion seperates good from evil, but i assure you oz there is death and noone ever complains about it when you die..
Better hope so!
MrOhWhatTheHeck no need to Hope. that's for the folks who live in fear.
I believe Dennis Prager was the nimrod that asked the question of Hitch?
This guy answered all my doubts about religion. RIP Christopher
Hitch never answered how we got the universe and all that's in it on its own, no God needed.
imagine a christian world, where god really exists, a world deprived of reasoning and choice, a world of limited diversity and physical expression, a world full of conversion and evangelists, a world of fear, a world where anybody can die at the "wrong moment" only to realize the complexity of their whole lives meaning was only to be burned and tortured in a hell for all eternity, where familes and friends will be separated, there is little hope for anyone outside of this one belief...sad
Well that's our PC world today - almost ! Especially if we grant the leftist, post-modernists any more ground.
@HiIamFin I shall ponder what you have written. But on the whole I agree with you.
We are an evolved mammal - one of the great apes: 'Hominidae', I think is our genus. Without worrying too much about the biological evolutionary causes, we are a mammal that is 'coded' (via our genes) to exist and to 'act' in certain ways. All individuals of our species get a set of 23 pairs of chromosomes which contain a set of genes. Some of us are lucky and get a great set of genes (good looking, high IQ etc.) whilst others are no so lucky. The genes determine all of these 'traits'.
We all sit somewhere in a 'normal distribution' (the bell curve) of all of these traits.
So there will always be a vast number of us who will be unable to reason and who choose irrationality over logic. There will always be a vast number who need to be 'led'; who can not think for themselves. There will always be a vast number who prefer the perceived certainties of the beliefs of the indoctrination that they 'received' as children no matter the clear and utter fallacy of those beliefs.
If only Jesus could play goaltender for the Toronto Maple Leafs
typical fkn loafs fan, center of the universe and bottom of the division
I'am actually a friend of Ken Dryden and Montreal Canadien fan during his stay there and he became their savior at the time.
Wouldn't he be crap in a hockey fight, though? I mean, he'd just keep turning the other cheek.
Alan Roberts, Why would anyone blush for who or what they are? You seem to forget that faith and lack of faith, are individual choices. No one need be embarrassed by either choice. No one need apologize to anyone for their choice, regardless of what they choose. Only a narcissist would believe his choices regarding someone else’s faith should have his approval. That’s where athiests lose their argument. There is no argument.
If Hitchens is in Heaven, and I am sure God has arranged a debate of the Devil vs Hitchens.
Goog Le that God would be a weak assed pimp.
Wish I could download his mind, I don't really fancy reading a fuck ton of books, esp the bible and the Quran.
That's quite a statement you have made.
You realise of course that there is no short cut to education, knowledge and wisdom. You have to read a ton of stuff; reading is a 'linear' activity and, like breathing, (to a degree) you can do it whilst using your mind to think in and around the thing you're reading. Then talk about it with others; hare views and thoughts; listen to others' views. That is enlightenment: not the goal of truth but the means to that goal. That keeps us sane and fulfilled. So go read just a kilo or two at first. Try these - they're easy...
1. Jacob Bronowski's Ascent of Man
2. Kenneth Clark's Civilisation (on you tube actually, but better read as a book)
3. Jacob Bronowski's Science and Human Values
4. Jacob Bronowski's The Western Intellectual Tradition
5. Anthony Kenny's The Enlightenment
I have hundreds more. Yes a tonne!
Hitchens was better than we know, this video has some of the most unique and compelling arguments ever.
The monetary system is the biggest faith in the world.
If anyone was curious, it's Denis Prager he's referring to in the beginning
Oh Christopher, how we miss you more now than ever.
Imagine how powerful his arguments would be if he wrote while sober.
Who cares either way? Seems to me like you're putting yourself on a pedestal because you don't drink. Or you're a bible thumper that hates him and this is your backhanded way of saying, "he was a drunk so..."
Yes, but sometimes I feel that's it's necessary during our time, because it really represents the frustrations of the human being search for truth and meaning. I see you have learnt something just by watching these people fight a wall. I know I learnt by watching these debates how to not waste time.
Hitch will be sadly missed by so many. His eloquence, humour and logic is always such a joy to watch. Xxxx
When I was about 10, I remember telling my mum about a little boy in my school who always ran the 100 yards race faster than me, always beat me. She said: "Do you mean the little black boy?" I thought for a bit and said yes. I didn't think of him as black, I thought of him as a fast runner. We adults have skewed the world into categories that our children would never recognise as they play with their friends in the playground. It's a shame we can't be more like our kids.
Mr articulation himself! Brilliant speaker, brilliant man, and very missed
Everyone should know that the challenge Hitchens opens with is not properly related. I dont think he did so intentionally, however, I know the challenge comes from Dennis Prager and I've heard it many times. He asks if one were in an American city, such as Detroit, and not familiar with the neighborhood, would you feel safer,or more at ease in this seemingly unsafe situation knowing that this group of men had just attended a BIBLE STUDY, not a prayer meeting. He specified America and Bible stud
His mind was a gift to the civilized world.
... and the bane of the religious world.
He was a gift to fools like you.
Your bitch Hitch is dead then will be judged by God, shamed, then thrown into the lake of fire to be now more, just as you dumbasses are heading.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.
I will miss this person and his strong voice for all of use that praise simple humane sanity. Can anyone tell me who you think can now fill his place now that Chris H. is gone?
I would like to know who else is out there that I might also find interesting
Much BETTER than very well written. It's all about what makes a person UNIQUE. Institutions that are alternately corrupt and bureacratic (READ: "Spiritual") have no capacity to accomodate any such foreign concepts as "the individual" into their doctrines.
"Actual" spirituality doesn't need leadership. That would, in fact, defeat the purpose. Spirituality is, by it's definition, about the spirit, the essence of a person, what makes that person unique, and what's important to the individual. Leadership of the kind you're referring to, of organized religion, is antithetical to personal spirituality. To be guided in such a way is, in effect, to give up your own spirituality for one defined by institutionalized "spirituality"--i.e., religion.
@ Cian Tracey. I don't know, i lived in republic few years, never ever i heard anyone bringing religion into discussion about Northern-Ireland. Yes, Catholic can be unionist like Richard Doherty and Protestant can be republican like Billy Leonard. Media is trying very hard to compare N-Ireland to something like Shia - Sunni hostilities in middle-east which it is not. It's not about who's bible is wrong or right, it's about those six northern counties.
I wrote "Nobody learns via dictionary, but it is the basis of all the definitions." I've been living in Italy for over 11yrs now, I learnt Italian through full immersion, but when you need to write emails and use a language for something other than conversation then it's important to know the correct definition's. Spanish, like Italian has dialects, so there is the spoken word with the common vernacular, but then there is also standard Spanish and Italian, here the dictionary comes into play.
I think the question he references comes from his radio debate with Dennis Prager.
I've believed in Zeus and Apollo when I was a kid. But your question is kind of like "why like strawberry and not chocolate?" As for why believe at all? I suffer from chronic pain (I have a spinal injury). There have been studies which show that religion can help deal with such pain.
We miss him SO much......
I didn't "try" I did, your refusing a definition doesn't mean that it isn't a valid point. I haven't changed my stance at all, and repeating this false statement won't make it true at any point.
"It depends how the first statement is meant."...my point exactly.
Thanks!! The kudos are appreciated!
I can't say I agree. There are always interesting points adressed and if you look at the votes at the beginning and end of the IQsq debates, they're never the same. There are always more "undecided" people at the beginning than at the end. Of course extremists of any kind, political or religious are so determined to be right that they aren't open to opinions that differ from their own. Just look at how quickly comments turn into insults on so many RUclips threads.
I explained MY use of the word belief and simply demonstrated that's it's commonly used in that same way. You can try the collins dictionary, and the Oxford dictionary and they'll still be there. It's not silly, it's common sense. I speak a number of languages, and in each one there is a dictionary which IS the authorative text, this doesn't rule out an evolution or possible change, but basic meanings are necessary in order to converse.
I'm from Bosnia, currently living in Banja Luka, and I agree completely with what he said.
Love him. Miss him.
"Believing there is no god is a belief in itself. "
My beliefs do not include believing there is no god.
"The set of beliefs that I refer to are the same beliefs that you listed, why are you contradicting them now?"
Here's what I listed:
"I believe that treating people well is a great way of getting treated the same. I believe that actions speak louder than words. I believe that social interaction is of great value."
I did not contradict anything. These are not a set of atheist beliefs.
Mister Hitchens, my good Sir, you are surly missed in this new 2013.
We who think freely, salute you!
vid cuts off rather abruptly while he's still talking.
But this was a great mini-speech on the matter of how faith corrupts and undermines political systems, to the gross injury of the peoples under it.
When people set their own rules, they... what? I waited to see if you were going to conclude that thought, but I guess you feel the implication was sufficient. However, the only implication I see is that people would think for themselves and, as a result, become wiser and more in touch both with their own thoughts and feelings and, by extension, with those of others. They explore. They grow. That seems like a good thing to me, though, so I guess you were suggesting something else.