It's good to hear that it's a properly revamped experience rather than just a change of art and an errata of what was before. Having played through all of Gloomhaven and Jaws Of The Lion, I don't feel a burning need to dive into 2nd Edition. That story was told and I enjoyed it. I've now got Frosthaven and have been diving deep, deep, deep into that - I think that's going to keep me busy for a few years then maybe I'll look at the 2nd Edition if I feel I need it. I'm glad that this updated experience exists for people who are playing Jaws right now and want to dive into the BIG box game afterwards though.
I think that's a proper attitude to have. It came to me over a year after finishing my last GH campaign so timing was right. But if you're done and still rocking Frosty....enjoy the frost:)
I've played through Jaws of the Lion and I've been waiting for a time / group to jump into Gloomhaven. 2.0 might be the right time. Glad to know it's happening!
Awesome video! I had no idea 2.0 was so different. You can still provide insights while being very positive. Im glad gloomhaven is getting a second edition.
This sounds really good, thank you! Currently starting out with JotL and I think the OG Gloomhaven will probably be something to get into some time next year. I just heard that a second edition was gonna come out but couldn't really imagine what that meant since I haven't played the first edition but now I feel like I should definitely wait for the second edition, thank you! Please do another spoiler free video after the official release where you just talk a bit about the beginning classes and maybe say if the final version is still better than Gloomhaven 1.0 😊 Amazing video either way!
My wife and I are PC gamers who are trying to spend some more time together away from the PC, and we've been playing Jaws of the Lion together having an absolute blast, so we're already looking to grab Gloomhaven and Frosthaven. I've been agonizing about whether or not to wait for the second version of Gloomhaven and this video has been valuable to me. I still can't decide whether to buy 1.0 or to wait for 2.0 but thank you!
Well, was on the fence since launch. Have decided to keep 1st E for Crimson Scales and grab up the summons and 2nd E. Frostaven has been AMAZING and I can see them adding in the things that make frosthaven that next level I to 2E. I enjoy hearing you talk about Xhaven fan girl or not. I'm a huge lover of the system so looking forward to playing 2E. 🎉 Huzzah!!!
That was a Really useful vid, glad to hear its a proper overhaul, including story as we are nearing the end of our campaign, its kinda fizzling out as a pose to a grand finish. We have frosthaven ready to go once finished and as soon as I saw 2.0 was coming out I was interested, this has pretty much made my mind up to grab it when I get the opportunity
Thanks for sharing your experience! I definitely wasn't planning on getting 2.0, but your opinion makes me think twice lol. I 100% get why Isaac wanted to make it, as you said, it's his baby and I bet 1.0's imperfections really bothered him. It's hard for me to imagine 2.0 selling really well, between Digital being a thing and Frosthaven's recent fulfillment. Hope I'm wrong tho!
I think Cephalofair is smart in this. They are combining the smaller projects: the role playing game, the minis, 2.0. In this way they can build amazing things for smaller segments of Xhaven players. "I may not want the roleplaying game, but I'd love the minis" or "I want the characters for the campaign I'm already playing but not the whole box"...I think it'll do well cause they understand the demand for these things and are using a collective fundraising to bring all the joy to life
I own an original copy of Gloomhaven from 2019, yet have never played it. I'm currently playing through Jaws of the Lion with a group, so I figure I'll just sell my basically new OG Gloomhaven and bid on the second edition. If I'm going to play through this massive game, might as well play through the best version of it.
I had many questions when this was announced, but "why can't there be an update?" was never one of them. It was very clear with a minimum of thought that there couldn't be an update. Anyone who gets upset about that just hasn't thought it through.
I got into Gloomhaven a few years back but could only get Jaws of the Lion. But it was around the worlds end lol so didnt have ppl to play with. Hope ur well and keep on doing the thing
Everything in the backerkit looks amazing until you get to the timeline of releases. Waiting over 2 years for 2.0, minis, and update map book for frosthaven is way too long, especially if youve already partially started. But still, getting 2.0 for a new player is good, but hoping for the minis will be too drawn out.
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Thanks! I didn't realize the depth of change in 2.0. While I may not buy/back 2.0, ill be interested in playing it. My wallet is waiting for Spacehaven.... trying to manifest that.
Dear Carley, do you happen to know if the game is already in the shops and also, if there is a Spanish version of it? Thank you and your video is great
Can you tell us more about changes in the scenarios? I'm mostly interested if the "kill them all" ones are still dominating or was some variety introduced.
I'd say there's a variety, but "kill them all" still shines. I think it sort of has to personally...character cards are built around it. Sometimes (class dependent) I get frsutrated by non-kill focuses scenarios as not every class is built for escape/other quests...but all are built to fight or support fighting. So I think by default this sort of regins
First off, love the content. I saw you for the first time with NRB gang and then I discovered so many great games thanks to you. So biggest thanks and kudos for this amazing channel. May it live long. Now... I've been contemplating buying Gloomhaven for the longest time, but haven't yet. Looks quite daunting, tbh. But I'm more interested than ever. So, would you recommend getting the 1.0 or 2.0 version to start with?
I have a question, not sure if anyone asked. If I have just played jaws of the lion and want to either go gloomhaven 2.0 or frosthaven the main game. Which one will you recommend. I think frosthaven is just the advanced version of them all where gloomhaven 2.0 is just reflecting their learning when making frosthaven. If frosthaven takes everything one notch up - then should I not bother about this 2.0?
Just answered this! My answer was: This is tough one. I love the world building aspect of Frosthaven (community resources and building up the outpost), but I do think there's more to appreciate in Frosty if you've played GH (sort of who it was designed for). Plus classes in GH are great and FH steps it up in funkiness. This is good, but again....sort of better once you've dived into Gloom. So my gut says GH 2.0. Frosthaven does step it up in some ways...but in many ways is joyful because of the GH experience that builds to it. I'd say with the changes in 2.0, I'd start there personally if you intend to play through all
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming thanks for answering!! Actually not sure if I will eventually play all, these games too massive, even completion of frosthaven May be something of a hope than realistic target. But I thank you for your reply😄
Our family is about to finish Jaws of the Lion. I pre-ordered Frosthaven in the last KS and plan on picking up GH 2.0 as well. In your opinion, should I wait for GH 2.0 before starting FH?
Personally, I would not be bothered replaying Gloomhaven with so many new games arriving. However I am enjoying the clearly more difficult unofficial fan expansion "Crimson Scales". Have you played that?
So I'm nearing the end of jotl.. i managed to get an amazing deal on a brand new gh and fh so i got both but because of this 2nd edition on the horizon I'm thinking I'll play fh after jotl.. would you recommend playing original gh or put in for the late pledge of gh2? (I know i own gh1 but it was a good deal even if fh was on its own, so i don't mind putting more in for a better experience)
Can character card improvements from 1e carry over to 2e (stickers)? Is there too much different to do this? I've never purchased a new edition of a game that I already own. This case is different for me. I've played Gloomhaven to death but I am ready for a replay.
The cards have been completely redone. It isn't just a better version of existing, but many are fully new so improvements wouldn't fully carry over. I'd say you could let an improvement 1.0 card into the mix of choices for your character, but it may not work well with the new balance/system and sort of clash with the reasons the made those choices in the first place.
So... my exact questions are about characters without spoilers. There were several we unlocked in 1.0 that we really wanted to like, especially ones that summoned things... but they were essentially dead weight in the party compared to other characters. Does this edition bring those characters more inline with the Frosthaven approach to these types of characters? I hear reworks and rebalances of characters and that is really my biggest upside of a 2nd edition. The better story is great, but there were a lot of characters we didn't give much time to because of how bad they were... and I would love to go rediscover them and give them the love we hoped we would in 1st edition.
I think all characters, both good in GH 1.0 and not, are just better in 2.0. The OP ones are fun, more tame, but in a way that makes them more interesting...and the classes you speak of are definitely better balanced for play and keeping up with the party. I am NOT a summon lover in FH/GH personally. I think they typically scale poorly overtime and levels. But my whole party agreed they were better. And one of the biggest boons was making weaker summons, non-loss when they were loss prior. Makes them a lot better card-wise.
Thank you so much for the video! This helps a lot. What would you recommend for people like me and my wife who are loving JotL right now and don’t know what to get after : Gloomhaven 2.0 or Frosthaven ? Thank you for your help!
This is tough one. I love the world building aspect of Frosthaven (community resources and building up the outpost), but I do think there's more to appreciate in Frosty if you've played GH (sort of who it was designed for). Plus classes in GH are great and FH steps it up in funkiness. This is good, but again....sort of better once you've dived into Gloom. So my gut says GH 2.0
All right, I have a big question, and this is a DEAL or DEAL BREAKER question: Do you happen to know if there is going to be VOICED NARRATION for the updated campaign? (Forteller?) That, for us, is an asbolute MUST. We simply don't play it without it. If for some reason the 2nd edition doesn't get voiced narration, that would be a huge downgrade :/
I have been planning on playing through GH before FH. Do you all see any issues in playing FH first now until GH 2.0 comes out? I am playing JOTL right now.
Thanks for the video! Is the entry level for Gloomhaven 2nd edition better or worse than 1st edition? Or is it more or less the same? Obviously Jaws of the Lion has the easiest entry level and Frosthaven the toughest, but where does GH 2nd ed. land?
I'd say in the middle as it should. Starting classes are still easier/easy for newbies. They've adjusted some systems to make it easier. I don't know if rulebook/quick start or anything else is getting modified though so as far as intro goes....I'd personally start with GH 2.0 of the three, but can't really speak to supportive changes in that effect
Hi, thanks for video Is it mostly the same kill kill kill? What portion of the scenario are objective based where it's not necessary to kill most of the mobs? Also, are the revamped characters more interesting and fun compared to frostahven? Lastly, would gloomhaven 2 be crimson scales compatible? Thanks for answers
Keep in mind, I played a prototype so it was a WIP and there will be changes I cannot speak for/won't get updates on. Focus is still fighting, yes. But not all are slaughter EVERYTHING. But fighting/kill all is kind of a staple of the havens. The card system is designed to best support fighting. I don't want to speak to compatibility only since I did not play a final product and changes can be made.
@GnarlyCarleyGaming fair enough, but hows the compatibility with just the prototypes you had with crimson scales? And any comments on revised characters? Thanks again
Do you think the Gloomhaven (2nd Edition): Class Upgrade Pack is worth picking up? I have played a good portion but not finished the original. I'm on a tighter budget now and wantgr the RPG. Cheers.
Playing 2 campaigns of JotL right now , GH 2.0 is probably gonna take another year before its for sale. What should I do ; buy GH ,wait for GH 2.0 , or jump into Frosthaven ?
I'd say, if you're ready, just hop into FH. I think there's some introduction GH offers as well as build off in FH that makes playing GH first the right move overall, but given the wait...I think FH would be my call here.
It was a lovely gig. Pay for playtesting varies quite a bit game depending/time depending. A full campaign was a big obligation. So I'd say a fair compensation, but wouldn't quit a day job for it :)
Oh goodness, this is hard to answer. I'd say almost all have been modified and plenty are new. But I was a part of playtesting and cannot speak to further changes being made/scenarios being added in order to say with certainty what % will be new, new.
I've been wondering if it's so different than 1.0, is it worth playing both? Like how different is the story? 10%, 30%, 70%? We're wrapping up Jaws of the Lion soon and trying to decide if we play my Gloomhaven 1.0 or wait for 2.0 to avoid story spoilers.
You will get some story spoilers. The main arc has been rewritten and expanded some but a lot is similar. I think it's enjoyable regardless personally, but if you want full new arc sans spoil, than 1.0 will hurt 2.0 a bit. I can't truly account for how similar given I played the prototype that will change. My feeling is roughly half is new or modified in terms of story itself. It's not a fully new game, thus 2.0 and not a new xhaven
So excited for this!! I've played a chunk of my friends' sets (currently in a really good JOTL run with my oldest and smallest friend) but this might be the perfect excuse for *me* to buy it
So yeah, thank you for this! I commented on your "After 30 scenarios of Frosthaven" video telling about my kids and i playing JOTL and hoping to get FH instead of GH 2.0 next... well, since that comment (2 weeks ago??) we've decided to wait on GH 2.0 first instead. Rage Badger and others who have reviewed the classes helped make the decision for me but this video puts the decision over the top! Thanks so much! I cannot wait till March or whenever!
Did you find that the game was harder? Many of the really strong abilities got tuned down, stuns removed, etc. Did you play at a lower difficulty because of this?
There are new systems that I cannot speak about that kept the difficulty at a great modifiable, challenging, and interesting level. We largely played at what was recommended in the campaign. We upped it a bit as we got used to characters/when we had characters that played nicely together but never had to lower it
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Thanks for the reply! I just found you on NRB plays Blood on the Clocktower, and was really surprised that I had independently found you on another channel! Been loving watching you play, just wanted to say that :)
Comments do not need to be negative to be helpful and you do not need to apologize for being positive. The hesitancy/being afraid of being too positive because you seem like a cheerleader is a product of online culture we should push back on. Your true opinion is valid regardless of the take you have.
The second edition sounds so tempting, but we’re just about to finish the original game, and we have Frosthaven sitting on the shelf. Thanks for your thoughts!
Let say I play the original Gloohaven and Gloomhaven 2 back-to-back. Will it feel like playing the same game, the same story twice? Asked in ahother way, what would be the best comparison: - The original Super Mario Bros vs the Lost Level: basically the same game with different levels? - Super Mario 3 vs Super Mario World, same basic gameplay with enough difference to feel like distinct games?
I love the idea of Gloomhaven, tried Jaws of the Lion and really didn't have a fun time. After about 3-4 sessions, the setup/breakdown and recordkeeping just killed me. Is 2.0 any more streamlined?
If the admin stuff in JotL was enough to push you away, I wouldn't even try Gloomhaven. Jaws was the easy mode version when it came to that sort of stuff.
Other folks helped answer this, but truly I'd hate the game without a good management system to make setup/breakdown a breeze. If you need help with this, I'm more than happy to show off what I use
We have played most of JotL, and have GH, FC, Crimson Scales and its expansion, and Frosthaven Given how long it will take to fulfill 2.0 and the minis, would you say there is any reason to not just play GH 1.0?
Depends on your timeline of course. If you're already in the position with a group eager to get started...then get started. The 2.0 will be a more refined experience, but I love 1.0 and I think any group that's already going can just do so if they'd rather not wait
thanks for the vid. :) question: for someone who hasn't completed (read: we're not even 20 scenarios into) GH v1.0, would it be worth it to just get the new-and-improved character envelopes? are they sufficiently different such that it'd be worth it to own both sets without getting the entirety of GH2.0?
This is the toughest to answer...mid game questions. I think the characters are better balanced and I also think they play differently enough that it'd be fun to have both. I think it's the perfect compliment to "let's get some new flair for our existing campaign" without having to disrupt it. If you've already started, I'd say enjoy the campaign you have and snag the characters if that will bring your party joy
explain to me 1. from when to when you played GH2 since this has just come out ?!? 2. Was it some kind of 1.5 ish version or ? 3. And how did you play it? Solo 2 handed? true solo? how many players? 4. You and your mates - why are you excited since you already played GH2, excited for what? 5. Finally, how did Isaac get to know you to contact you AND send you a box? Thank you for your video and your time!
Hi! I played for the first few months of this year. It wasn't a 1.5ish version, it was the prototype design for 2.0. We played a three player game and are still quite excited for the release as our job was to give feedback for further changes...and we are excited for the final product to come from what we've already seen and played. I create lots of gaming content and Cephalofair knew that I had played GH a lot from my posts (largely instagram). They thought my experience would be valuable in giving feedback to the changes within the game and asked me to get a group together to playtest.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming thanks for your clarification. Insta. And you're excited for changes in the new version of GH2. Got it, makes total sense now ♥ well done. I also make gaming content but nothing like gloomhaven haha 🙂
Do you by any chance know if the inserts from the first edition are compatible with the second edition, or if there are component changes that make them incompatible?
I wish I could say, but I wasn't given a production copy of 2.0. I was just playtesting so I cannot speak to box final size, specs, and component mods. My guess is likely a very similar design, but hard to say for full compatibility's sake.
I wonder if the story matters more too because of how quickly you played through the campaign. We normally play one scenario a week so the story gets a bit lost over time.
I didn't play that quickly for other campaigns and story did just more so lost for us too. I think the way it's now done, that is less likely. You may lose some, but there are more threads and notably moments in the new one (and new systems) that I think will help regardless of pacing
What's your opinion on which version of Gloomhaven is better for first time players, especially taking into consideration the price (vs current retail price of first edition) and needing to wait until March (or the following January if one wants the minis)? My fiance and I are currently playing through Jaws of the Lion, and have played a 1 hour demo of Frosthaven at a convention, but have no experience with just regular core Gloomhaven so we're not sure which to go with. Thank you very much for the video! It's nice to be able to see some actual comments instead of just speculation, because the backerkit campaign is incredibly vague.
Hey there! I'd say GH 2.0 will be better to hop into before Frosthaven, but let your timing guide you. If you're close to done and are ready to hop into Frosthaven, you can. Or I'm happy to recommend some of the other campaigns I've loved at 2 players if you're thinking of the wait between. You can absolutely dive into FH, but GH before frosty is def better if possible in my opinion.
it's still and will always be a big game, but no need to be intimidated. if you liked jaws, you can handle the GH. If you'd like any help in tackling it, I'm happy to help however I can. But I cannot speak to onboarding materials for 2.0 since I didn't see much of what will be that final product
I will say, that I'll guess they'll do a similar thing that they did for FH, and make the rulebook highlight differences for new players coming from Jaws
Also is the new Gloomhaven as big an undertaking to do solo as the original? I feel like I won't be able to get a regular group of friends that can commit so solo it is!
Someone commented already but plenty of videos. We sort of learned along the way (a rough go of it). There are fan guides online that are truly exceptional though
I have always been on the fence when it came to gloomhaven. I really enjoy mage knight and most chat online is that you will enjoy one or the other. How good is the actual gameplay?
they are completely different games. love mage knight and star trek frontiers. but gloomhaven is my 2nd favorite game of all time. ti4 the first. scythe the 3rd. dune imperium 3rd. mage knight /stf maybe 10th. the card play and player interaction is great. story ehh. but gameplay was so good, the story didn't matter. and having to give up a character and unlock a new one. feeling like u loved the old one and then that new one finally clicks. and your like wow this new character is awesome. amazing game. but I am on frost haven now and never want to go back to even a 2.0. would rather run more rpg game. not the gloomhaven rpg, which looks bad.
Folks beat me to it. Mage knight is good. I do enjoy GH more. Especially if you have a group. The bond from playing through is just so good. If you've got committed folks, I truly think it is worth the whirl.
OK so I picked up Jaws of the Lion after being on the fence for years. Should I play solo or should I get a few friends to play even if we can only get together every 2 weeks?
I have no problems with the update and all, but this is so different that it should have just been a new game and not just an overhaul to the original. A new story, new characters, and everything else would have been much better as a new game and there would have been a lot less blow back about the whole thing as well.
I disagree. The story and characters aren't new. They are updated. Frosthaven was a whole new game. This was an update, properly so. Communicating it as a new game would've been wrong as it is the same main story woven and types of characters/goals/etc.
It's good to hear that it's a properly revamped experience rather than just a change of art and an errata of what was before. Having played through all of Gloomhaven and Jaws Of The Lion, I don't feel a burning need to dive into 2nd Edition. That story was told and I enjoyed it. I've now got Frosthaven and have been diving deep, deep, deep into that - I think that's going to keep me busy for a few years then maybe I'll look at the 2nd Edition if I feel I need it. I'm glad that this updated experience exists for people who are playing Jaws right now and want to dive into the BIG box game afterwards though.
I think that's a proper attitude to have. It came to me over a year after finishing my last GH campaign so timing was right. But if you're done and still rocking Frosty....enjoy the frost:)
Helpful, thanks Carly! I now have a much better understanding about how 2.0 is different.
I've played through Jaws of the Lion and I've been waiting for a time / group to jump into Gloomhaven. 2.0 might be the right time. Glad to know it's happening!
waiting for Jotl 2.0
Awesome video! I had no idea 2.0 was so different. You can still provide insights while being very positive. Im glad gloomhaven is getting a second edition.
This sounds really good, thank you!
Currently starting out with JotL and I think the OG Gloomhaven will probably be something to get into some time next year.
I just heard that a second edition was gonna come out but couldn't really imagine what that meant since I haven't played the first edition but now I feel like I should definitely wait for the second edition, thank you!
Please do another spoiler free video after the official release where you just talk a bit about the beginning classes and maybe say if the final version is still better than Gloomhaven 1.0 😊
Amazing video either way!
My wife and I are PC gamers who are trying to spend some more time together away from the PC, and we've been playing Jaws of the Lion together having an absolute blast, so we're already looking to grab Gloomhaven and Frosthaven. I've been agonizing about whether or not to wait for the second version of Gloomhaven and this video has been valuable to me. I still can't decide whether to buy 1.0 or to wait for 2.0 but thank you!
Did you know there's a digital version with Coop
Hehe
Jk aside, having to do no rules admin and no shuffle plus true random is also nice
Well, was on the fence since launch. Have decided to keep 1st E for Crimson Scales and grab up the summons and 2nd E. Frostaven has been AMAZING and I can see them adding in the things that make frosthaven that next level I to 2E. I enjoy hearing you talk about Xhaven fan girl or not. I'm a huge lover of the system so looking forward to playing 2E. 🎉 Huzzah!!!
That was a Really useful vid, glad to hear its a proper overhaul, including story as we are nearing the end of our campaign, its kinda fizzling out as a pose to a grand finish.
We have frosthaven ready to go once finished and as soon as I saw 2.0 was coming out I was interested, this has pretty much made my mind up to grab it when I get the opportunity
Thanks for sharing your experience! I definitely wasn't planning on getting 2.0, but your opinion makes me think twice lol. I 100% get why Isaac wanted to make it, as you said, it's his baby and I bet 1.0's imperfections really bothered him. It's hard for me to imagine 2.0 selling really well, between Digital being a thing and Frosthaven's recent fulfillment. Hope I'm wrong tho!
I think Cephalofair is smart in this. They are combining the smaller projects: the role playing game, the minis, 2.0. In this way they can build amazing things for smaller segments of Xhaven players. "I may not want the roleplaying game, but I'd love the minis" or "I want the characters for the campaign I'm already playing but not the whole box"...I think it'll do well cause they understand the demand for these things and are using a collective fundraising to bring all the joy to life
I own an original copy of Gloomhaven from 2019, yet have never played it. I'm currently playing through Jaws of the Lion with a group, so I figure I'll just sell my basically new OG Gloomhaven and bid on the second edition. If I'm going to play through this massive game, might as well play through the best version of it.
I'd say if you haven't started yet, this is the move
One of our favorite parts of Gloomhaven was the Road and City Events. Have they changed much, or are we going to go "Oh, it's this event again"?
excellent question!
Some may be familiar (like a nod to one you've seen before) but events were redone/new when we playtested!
I had many questions when this was announced, but "why can't there be an update?" was never one of them. It was very clear with a minimum of thought that there couldn't be an update. Anyone who gets upset about that just hasn't thought it through.
I got into Gloomhaven a few years back but could only get Jaws of the Lion. But it was around the worlds end lol so didnt have ppl to play with. Hope ur well and keep on doing the thing
i've never played Gloomhaven so i'm glad I saw this video
its leaning me towards picking up this game
thanks for the great video!!!!
Nintendo just announced Gloomhaven for Switch in the Direct playing now.
Everything in the backerkit looks amazing until you get to the timeline of releases. Waiting over 2 years for 2.0, minis, and update map book for frosthaven is way too long, especially if youve already partially started. But still, getting 2.0 for a new player is good, but hoping for the minis will be too drawn out.
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THANK YOU. It's actually super significant to me. It was one of the first pieces of furniture my mom got us when we had to very quickly leave my childhood home. It's cozy as heck, and I asked for it when she was getting a new one. Makes me super happy.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming What a special memory, thanks for sharing ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks! I didn't realize the depth of change in 2.0. While I may not buy/back 2.0, ill be interested in playing it. My wallet is waiting for Spacehaven.... trying to manifest that.
Dear Carley, do you happen to know if the game is already in the shops and also, if there is a Spanish version of it? Thank you and your video is great
Darn it Carley, I'm going to have to get the game now!
Can you tell us more about changes in the scenarios? I'm mostly interested if the "kill them all" ones are still dominating or was some variety introduced.
I'd say there's a variety, but "kill them all" still shines. I think it sort of has to personally...character cards are built around it. Sometimes (class dependent) I get frsutrated by non-kill focuses scenarios as not every class is built for escape/other quests...but all are built to fight or support fighting. So I think by default this sort of regins
First off, love the content. I saw you for the first time with NRB gang and then I discovered so many great games thanks to you. So biggest thanks and kudos for this amazing channel. May it live long.
Now... I've been contemplating buying Gloomhaven for the longest time, but haven't yet. Looks quite daunting, tbh. But I'm more interested than ever. So, would you recommend getting the 1.0 or 2.0 version to start with?
Thank you
I have a question, not sure if anyone asked.
If I have just played jaws of the lion and want to either go gloomhaven 2.0 or frosthaven the main game. Which one will you recommend. I think frosthaven is just the advanced version of them all where gloomhaven 2.0 is just reflecting their learning when making frosthaven. If frosthaven takes everything one notch up - then should I not bother about this 2.0?
Just answered this! My answer was: This is tough one. I love the world building aspect of Frosthaven (community resources and building up the outpost), but I do think there's more to appreciate in Frosty if you've played GH (sort of who it was designed for). Plus classes in GH are great and FH steps it up in funkiness. This is good, but again....sort of better once you've dived into Gloom. So my gut says GH 2.0.
Frosthaven does step it up in some ways...but in many ways is joyful because of the GH experience that builds to it. I'd say with the changes in 2.0, I'd start there personally if you intend to play through all
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming thanks for answering!! Actually not sure if I will eventually play all, these games too massive, even completion of frosthaven May be something of a hope than realistic target. But I thank you for your reply😄
Our family is about to finish Jaws of the Lion. I pre-ordered Frosthaven in the last KS and plan on picking up GH 2.0 as well. In your opinion, should I wait for GH 2.0 before starting FH?
Personally, I would not be bothered replaying Gloomhaven with so many new games arriving. However I am enjoying the clearly more difficult unofficial fan expansion "Crimson Scales". Have you played that?
So I'm nearing the end of jotl.. i managed to get an amazing deal on a brand new gh and fh so i got both but because of this 2nd edition on the horizon I'm thinking I'll play fh after jotl.. would you recommend playing original gh or put in for the late pledge of gh2? (I know i own gh1 but it was a good deal even if fh was on its own, so i don't mind putting more in for a better experience)
Can character card improvements from 1e carry over to 2e (stickers)? Is there too much different to do this?
I've never purchased a new edition of a game that I already own. This case is different for me. I've played Gloomhaven to death but I am ready for a replay.
The cards have been completely redone. It isn't just a better version of existing, but many are fully new so improvements wouldn't fully carry over. I'd say you could let an improvement 1.0 card into the mix of choices for your character, but it may not work well with the new balance/system and sort of clash with the reasons the made those choices in the first place.
So... my exact questions are about characters without spoilers. There were several we unlocked in 1.0 that we really wanted to like, especially ones that summoned things... but they were essentially dead weight in the party compared to other characters. Does this edition bring those characters more inline with the Frosthaven approach to these types of characters? I hear reworks and rebalances of characters and that is really my biggest upside of a 2nd edition. The better story is great, but there were a lot of characters we didn't give much time to because of how bad they were... and I would love to go rediscover them and give them the love we hoped we would in 1st edition.
I think all characters, both good in GH 1.0 and not, are just better in 2.0. The OP ones are fun, more tame, but in a way that makes them more interesting...and the classes you speak of are definitely better balanced for play and keeping up with the party. I am NOT a summon lover in FH/GH personally. I think they typically scale poorly overtime and levels. But my whole party agreed they were better. And one of the biggest boons was making weaker summons, non-loss when they were loss prior. Makes them a lot better card-wise.
Thank you so much for the video! This helps a lot. What would you recommend for people like me and my wife who are loving JotL right now and don’t know what to get after : Gloomhaven 2.0 or Frosthaven ? Thank you for your help!
This is tough one. I love the world building aspect of Frosthaven (community resources and building up the outpost), but I do think there's more to appreciate in Frosty if you've played GH (sort of who it was designed for). Plus classes in GH are great and FH steps it up in funkiness. This is good, but again....sort of better once you've dived into Gloom. So my gut says GH 2.0
I've bought v1.0 with Frosthaven, but haven't played it yet. Should I try to sell it and wait for 2.0?
Which gloomhaven is the best to start with as someone new to the series?
If patient, I'd say wait for GH second edition to start :)
Thank you carley. Is there any information on when it will release? I was only able to find rumors of a late 24 or early 25 release.
Nah, get jaws of lions, trust me. It's super cheap and the best way to learn the game. Also not having to set up tiles is huge.
All right, I have a big question, and this is a DEAL or DEAL BREAKER question: Do you happen to know if there is going to be VOICED NARRATION for the updated campaign? (Forteller?)
That, for us, is an asbolute MUST. We simply don't play it without it. If for some reason the 2nd edition doesn't get voiced narration, that would be a huge downgrade :/
I'm asking for you :)
Forteller narration is an offered upgrade.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Thank you!!
Yeah, it's an absolutely
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Awesome awesome awesome, thanks a bunch!
I have been planning on playing through GH before FH. Do you all see any issues in playing FH first now until GH 2.0 comes out?
I am playing JOTL right now.
Please do a rat video :D
Ive had rats as well and they are adorable
They will almost certainly not sit still for such a video, but they are the best of critters
Thanks for the video!
Is the entry level for Gloomhaven 2nd edition better or worse than 1st edition? Or is it more or less the same?
Obviously Jaws of the Lion has the easiest entry level and Frosthaven the toughest, but where does GH 2nd ed. land?
I'd say in the middle as it should. Starting classes are still easier/easy for newbies. They've adjusted some systems to make it easier. I don't know if rulebook/quick start or anything else is getting modified though so as far as intro goes....I'd personally start with GH 2.0 of the three, but can't really speak to supportive changes in that effect
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming good points. thanks for answering :-)
Hi, thanks for video
Is it mostly the same kill kill kill? What portion of the scenario are objective based where it's not necessary to kill most of the mobs?
Also, are the revamped characters more interesting and fun compared to frostahven?
Lastly, would gloomhaven 2 be crimson scales compatible?
Thanks for answers
Keep in mind, I played a prototype so it was a WIP and there will be changes I cannot speak for/won't get updates on. Focus is still fighting, yes. But not all are slaughter EVERYTHING. But fighting/kill all is kind of a staple of the havens. The card system is designed to best support fighting.
I don't want to speak to compatibility only since I did not play a final product and changes can be made.
@GnarlyCarleyGaming fair enough, but hows the compatibility with just the prototypes you had with crimson scales? And any comments on revised characters? Thanks again
Do you think the Gloomhaven (2nd Edition): Class Upgrade Pack is worth picking up? I have played a good portion but not finished the original. I'm on a tighter budget now and wantgr the RPG. Cheers.
I think the characters are the biggest change and benefit of the new edition. I think upgrade is the way to go if you are already mid game
Yeah i bet Tinkerer is going to be less useless now
Have you checked out the Gloomhaven RPG?
Also a side question, did you check out Origins 2023?
Hi! I am not a super RPG kid, so I have not. And I was indeed at Origins. I'm a Buckeye so I love heading back to Columbus for that con.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Oh dang, i could of sworn i saw you there but figured there was no way. Any games catch your eyes there?
Would you say you’ve played Gloomhaven a lot? ;)
I think so. ;)
Playing 2 campaigns of JotL right now , GH 2.0 is probably gonna take another year before its for sale. What should I do ; buy GH ,wait for GH 2.0 , or jump into Frosthaven ?
I'd say, if you're ready, just hop into FH. I think there's some introduction GH offers as well as build off in FH that makes playing GH first the right move overall, but given the wait...I think FH would be my call here.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming thanks , i think i agree :)
I'm so curious how much one gets paid to playtest a board game...sounds like a dream gig! :)
It was a lovely gig. Pay for playtesting varies quite a bit game depending/time depending. A full campaign was a big obligation. So I'd say a fair compensation, but wouldn't quit a day job for it :)
What % of the scenarios are new?
Oh goodness, this is hard to answer. I'd say almost all have been modified and plenty are new. But I was a part of playtesting and cannot speak to further changes being made/scenarios being added in order to say with certainty what % will be new, new.
I do wonder how Jaws of the Lion relates to this. Will there be a 2.0 version of that?
Probably not since jaws was the evolution of GH in the right direction. It's where they refined the rulebooks, did the map book.
They said that they have no plans for a second edition of anything else.
echoing other comments to say no, there won't be. GH was the OG baby. It's evolving but everything else doesn't need it.
That means that JOTL is essentially a dead game, which is regrettable.
@@ThymeKeeper I wouldn't say so. It has a purpose within the GH space. I actually greatly enjoyed it after playing GH. Curious why you think so?
You have pet rats? Do they like board game pieces?
I do indeed. And I keep them far far away from all things cardboard (we've had one game box casualty)
I've been wondering if it's so different than 1.0, is it worth playing both? Like how different is the story? 10%, 30%, 70%?
We're wrapping up Jaws of the Lion soon and trying to decide if we play my Gloomhaven 1.0 or wait for 2.0 to avoid story spoilers.
You will get some story spoilers. The main arc has been rewritten and expanded some but a lot is similar. I think it's enjoyable regardless personally, but if you want full new arc sans spoil, than 1.0 will hurt 2.0 a bit. I can't truly account for how similar given I played the prototype that will change. My feeling is roughly half is new or modified in terms of story itself. It's not a fully new game, thus 2.0 and not a new xhaven
@GnarlyCarleyGaming that's really helpful, thanks for replying!
This girl just said she plays it a lot
Nothing else
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She said that someone in comment section may say what I said, so I said it. I’m not sure many people noticed what I did
I fell asleep playing GH most overrated game ever
What did you not enjoy about it,I plan on getting it,my first big campaign was Bardsung my next is iss vanguard.
Love 2.0 just finished painting the amazing models finally 😅🎉
So excited for this!! I've played a chunk of my friends' sets (currently in a really good JOTL run with my oldest and smallest friend) but this might be the perfect excuse for *me* to buy it
Actually playing jotl with my eldest and occasional middle right now got it for father's day😂
Bought the first addition already, wish I knew second edition was going to be a thing 😮
They misses a trick not focusing it all on catacombs so they could call it Twomhaven
favorite. comment.
Great video, being new to the series I'm jumping on the kickstarter ordering the second edition, and playing JotL in the meantime.
So yeah, thank you for this! I commented on your "After 30 scenarios of Frosthaven" video telling about my kids and i playing JOTL and hoping to get FH instead of GH 2.0 next... well, since that comment (2 weeks ago??) we've decided to wait on GH 2.0 first instead. Rage Badger and others who have reviewed the classes helped make the decision for me but this video puts the decision over the top! Thanks so much! I cannot wait till March or whenever!
When does it release?
Yay for fireside chats with Carley! Guess I'm gonna be out $100+ now that I have to get gloomhaven 2.0
Did you find that the game was harder? Many of the really strong abilities got tuned down, stuns removed, etc. Did you play at a lower difficulty because of this?
There are new systems that I cannot speak about that kept the difficulty at a great modifiable, challenging, and interesting level. We largely played at what was recommended in the campaign. We upped it a bit as we got used to characters/when we had characters that played nicely together but never had to lower it
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Thanks for the reply! I just found you on NRB plays Blood on the Clocktower, and was really surprised that I had independently found you on another channel! Been loving watching you play, just wanted to say that :)
Comments do not need to be negative to be helpful and you do not need to apologize for being positive. The hesitancy/being afraid of being too positive because you seem like a cheerleader is a product of online culture we should push back on. Your true opinion is valid regardless of the take you have.
The second edition sounds so tempting, but we’re just about to finish the original game, and we have Frosthaven sitting on the shelf. Thanks for your thoughts!
Let say I play the original Gloohaven and Gloomhaven 2 back-to-back. Will it feel like playing the same game, the same story twice? Asked in ahother way, what would be the best comparison:
- The original Super Mario Bros vs the Lost Level: basically the same game with different levels?
- Super Mario 3 vs Super Mario World, same basic gameplay with enough difference to feel like distinct games?
I love the idea of Gloomhaven, tried Jaws of the Lion and really didn't have a fun time. After about 3-4 sessions, the setup/breakdown and recordkeeping just killed me. Is 2.0 any more streamlined?
u need a good organizer and an app.
If the admin stuff in JotL was enough to push you away, I wouldn't even try Gloomhaven. Jaws was the easy mode version when it came to that sort of stuff.
Other folks helped answer this, but truly I'd hate the game without a good management system to make setup/breakdown a breeze. If you need help with this, I'm more than happy to show off what I use
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming Yes please!
@@IllWish Shoot me an email at gnarlycarleygaming@gmail.com . I've got you
Couldn't agree more. Big Cephalo cheerleading may be going on but in my opinion it's deserved.
I’ll spend $130 for a stronger Tinkerer hehehe
We have played most of JotL, and have GH, FC, Crimson Scales and its expansion, and Frosthaven
Given how long it will take to fulfill 2.0 and the minis, would you say there is any reason to not just play GH 1.0?
Depends on your timeline of course. If you're already in the position with a group eager to get started...then get started. The 2.0 will be a more refined experience, but I love 1.0 and I think any group that's already going can just do so if they'd rather not wait
thanks for the vid. :) question: for someone who hasn't completed (read: we're not even 20 scenarios into) GH v1.0, would it be worth it to just get the new-and-improved character envelopes? are they sufficiently different such that it'd be worth it to own both sets without getting the entirety of GH2.0?
This is the toughest to answer...mid game questions. I think the characters are better balanced and I also think they play differently enough that it'd be fun to have both. I think it's the perfect compliment to "let's get some new flair for our existing campaign" without having to disrupt it. If you've already started, I'd say enjoy the campaign you have and snag the characters if that will bring your party joy
explain to me
1. from when to when you played GH2 since this has just come out ?!?
2. Was it some kind of 1.5 ish version or ?
3. And how did you play it? Solo 2 handed? true solo? how many players?
4. You and your mates - why are you excited since you already played GH2, excited for what?
5. Finally, how did Isaac get to know you to contact you AND send you a box?
Thank you for your video and your time!
Hi! I played for the first few months of this year. It wasn't a 1.5ish version, it was the prototype design for 2.0. We played a three player game and are still quite excited for the release as our job was to give feedback for further changes...and we are excited for the final product to come from what we've already seen and played.
I create lots of gaming content and Cephalofair knew that I had played GH a lot from my posts (largely instagram). They thought my experience would be valuable in giving feedback to the changes within the game and asked me to get a group together to playtest.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming thanks for your clarification. Insta. And you're excited for changes in the new version of GH2. Got it, makes total sense now ♥
well done. I also make gaming content but nothing like gloomhaven haha 🙂
Do you by any chance know if the inserts from the first edition are compatible with the second edition, or if there are component changes that make them incompatible?
I wish I could say, but I wasn't given a production copy of 2.0. I was just playtesting so I cannot speak to box final size, specs, and component mods. My guess is likely a very similar design, but hard to say for full compatibility's sake.
I wonder if the story matters more too because of how quickly you played through the campaign. We normally play one scenario a week so the story gets a bit lost over time.
I didn't play that quickly for other campaigns and story did just more so lost for us too. I think the way it's now done, that is less likely. You may lose some, but there are more threads and notably moments in the new one (and new systems) that I think will help regardless of pacing
What's your opinion on which version of Gloomhaven is better for first time players, especially taking into consideration the price (vs current retail price of first edition) and needing to wait until March (or the following January if one wants the minis)? My fiance and I are currently playing through Jaws of the Lion, and have played a 1 hour demo of Frosthaven at a convention, but have no experience with just regular core Gloomhaven so we're not sure which to go with.
Thank you very much for the video! It's nice to be able to see some actual comments instead of just speculation, because the backerkit campaign is incredibly vague.
Hey there! I'd say GH 2.0 will be better to hop into before Frosthaven, but let your timing guide you. If you're close to done and are ready to hop into Frosthaven, you can. Or I'm happy to recommend some of the other campaigns I've loved at 2 players if you're thinking of the wait between. You can absolutely dive into FH, but GH before frosty is def better if possible in my opinion.
@@GnarlyCarleyGaming I would love to hear some of your recommendations, we've really been enjoying campaign games lately.
We LOVE Jaws of the Lion but have always been intimidated by the big box. Does 2e make it more manageable in any way or is it still a bear to play?
it's still and will always be a big game, but no need to be intimidated. if you liked jaws, you can handle the GH. If you'd like any help in tackling it, I'm happy to help however I can. But I cannot speak to onboarding materials for 2.0 since I didn't see much of what will be that final product
I will say, that I'll guess they'll do a similar thing that they did for FH, and make the rulebook highlight differences for new players coming from Jaws
Guess I got to start playing my original Gloomhaven now! But that rulebook gives me pause. Any tips on how to learn the game easily?
Also is the new Gloomhaven as big an undertaking to do solo as the original? I feel like I won't be able to get a regular group of friends that can commit so solo it is!
Watch it played usually has great how to play videos
Someone commented already but plenty of videos. We sort of learned along the way (a rough go of it). There are fan guides online that are truly exceptional though
I have always been on the fence when it came to gloomhaven. I really enjoy mage knight and most chat online is that you will enjoy one or the other. How good is the actual gameplay?
Eh, disagree. Mage Knight is a top 3 game for me, but I also enjoyed Gloomhaven and have a LOT of hours in it.
they are completely different games. love mage knight and star trek frontiers. but gloomhaven is my 2nd favorite game of all time. ti4 the first. scythe the 3rd. dune imperium 3rd. mage knight /stf maybe 10th. the card play and player interaction is great. story ehh. but gameplay was so good, the story didn't matter. and having to give up a character and unlock a new one. feeling like u loved the old one and then that new one finally clicks. and your like wow this new character is awesome. amazing game. but I am on frost haven now and never want to go back to even a 2.0. would rather run more rpg game. not the gloomhaven rpg, which looks bad.
Folks beat me to it. Mage knight is good. I do enjoy GH more. Especially if you have a group. The bond from playing through is just so good. If you've got committed folks, I truly think it is worth the whirl.
OK so I picked up Jaws of the Lion after being on the fence for years. Should I play solo or should I get a few friends to play even if we can only get together every 2 weeks?
I have no problems with the update and all, but this is so different that it should have just been a new game and not just an overhaul to the original. A new story, new characters, and everything else would have been much better as a new game and there would have been a lot less blow back about the whole thing as well.
I disagree. The story and characters aren't new. They are updated. Frosthaven was a whole new game. This was an update, properly so. Communicating it as a new game would've been wrong as it is the same main story woven and types of characters/goals/etc.