It's terrible what she went through, but if it wasn't her who knows if they ever would have been caught those two, and it not for her that silliness of serial killers getting a chance a freedom wouldn't have changed, those people shouldn't deserve a second chance under any circumstance. Tough as hell girl.
How can cops not believe a near naked rape victim with restraint marks on her? What's wrong with them? They nearly missed the chance to break the biggest case of their careers?
....I wish I could believe in the justice system of the western world..but it's clear for all to see; it has seen its best days and is now in decline, like every empire before it. We just happen to be alive to witness it, like those before us in previous times.
She has my respect a big time Thank you Kate for Standing up for what is right May God bless you Don’t judge people for past experiences which most people do STOP ✋
As an Australian I'm disgusted at how they wanted to dismiss her. Perhaps lucky a female rookie was sent in. Also that they made her testify every 3 yrs! Wtf. This lady is a hero
It was heartbreaking to hear that not only did the police not believe her story but were ready to charge her without even going to check it out. It is an incomprehensible shame.
So let me get this straight, young girls going missing and a detective immediately tries to dismiss a girl that’s just been taken and assaulted?? Wow!! Incompetent to the max.
Classic pedo behavior. Men frequently ignore obvious signs like this when they’re guilty of pedophilia themselves. This is why we see essentially zero actions in response the the MASSIVE pedophilia rings exposed on Instagram. Hundreds of millions of pedo’s exposed, mostly middle aged, married men, with children of their own! All ignored! It is blatantly obvious at this point.
Shame on the supervisor for demanding Kate be charged for "lying." A near naked, r@ped, hurt, teenage girl, with marks from being chained up isn't believed?! Thank goodness for the 2 officers who knew better and finally found such a monstrous couple. Kate is a true hero.
You'll have to see my other comment up aways because youtube bans me from telling anyone the same thing. because apparently I am an idiot? Unless, what follows actually is allowed to be posted. That supervisor should have been fired and then given 10 years at least, for being an accessory to the crime for their blatant trying to squash the truth.
They prob knew the couple...the police capt or sgt They tend to be involved to some degree....Epstein......the royals, freemasons etc. They ritualize the pain they're inflicting on others
@@honda-akariAmen to that. In many ways it’s worse than murder. If your murdered your suffering is over. Most SA victims suffer the rest of their lives. Lots of times it not only ruins their lives but many others. If it were up to me I say get a rope. Why should we pay for them to live ? Same goes for anyone who harms a child in any way.
I agree, Kathy looks very hard. Rape is about power and control. My twelve-year-old daughter and I were victims of a home invasion and rape. I was raped in front of her. This has changed Who We Are. My daughter was so innocent. It's difficult at times to not be overwhelmed by anxiety and PTSD. Animals like this enjoyed tormenting people. It is the only thing that gives some real Joy. Wonder what it was about noelene that trigger Kathy? Maybe jealousy? Because she wants into child so maybe she felt as if she was in competition with her?
Who would make up the story? I mean no one would make up the story the police thinking that they would make up the story who would make up that story I mean come on I guess this is years ago before serial killers are on TV every freaking day like I’m watching right now.
@@wheresbaby7783 With complete respect to actual victims, many girls make it up, and many men have been falsely punished. This grates me, because as a teenager I was falsely accused of sexual assault, how fortunate I was to have witnesses, but in a small town of only 20,000, my name became mud and I never had a girlfriend from my hometown again.
@@wheresbaby7783except there are victims that lie about stories like that. That’s why the police have to make their investigation and make sure they got the right culprits.
The problem is that evidence has proven so many times that woman have lied about being raped! So the idiots that would actually lie about a disgusting crime like this hurt the credibility of the ones that actually are victims! It works both ways! And anyone who commits these acts on either side are terrible people!
17 year old Kate instinctively did what I've heard experts in these sort of scenarios say increases your chance of survival. She cooperated and even feigned friendliness towards Catherine Birnie so the capter let her guard down. I think she's a highly intelligent person who survived something truly horrific happening to her.
Mine suffered most of his life with health problems. He went to the Dr. For pain in his wrist. He was full of cancer. He died a horrendous, painful death.
@bingonamo7520 So you think the police in nsw and Queensland have a sqeaky clean record when it comes to corruption? NSW and New York city were the most corrupt police forces in the western world in the 70s and 80s
As an Australian I started swearing at the part where they only believed her after finding the hidden cigarettes, because Aussie cops (not all but a lot!) need evidence spoon fucking fed to them! Makes me furious. Good on you Kate and Hancock. Takes a woman I guess.
I guess many Aussie cops are quick to act when they suspect a non-white offender, only based on race. Once they realize that suspect is innocent, those cops don´t learn. Either their training is biased and unprofessional or they are stupid.
Isn't it interesting and fucking infuriating how we women all over the world are not believed. By cops, detectives, doctors....men. Everywhere it's everywhere. And no, saying "there was one good male cop" absolutely means nothing. Nothing. It's just the same "not all men" with slightly different wording.
The underlying misogyny inherent in Aussie society unfortunately was very prevalent in Aussie police forces they have got their act together a bit better these days
I moved to Australia (from UK) in Jan 88 and this was a huge and ongoing story. That woman (Birnie) will never see the light of a free day ever again. The Australian people old enough to remember it will never let that happen. Kate is an absolute warrior and an inspiration to all females. Thanks for covering this horrendous, important and quite frankly, ultimately inspiring story.
What could enter the minds of people to do these horrible things?!!These people are sick as Hell!!They deserve what they get!!Happy that Kate survived because is no easy being held captive and being intimidated!She is brave and heroic Thanks to all the Universe she is alive and well.Way to go,Girl!KATE YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!!
I just don’t understand the motive. No kidnapping for money. Just plain evil, I guess. And that’s hard to fathom. So they raped and she watched, snd then they killed their victim. Pure evil is the only motive I can figure out. And it doesn’t sound like much of a motive. They liked the thrill of being sadists, not getting caught, and doing it again.
*How ONE act from ONE person (who seemingly had no power at the time) can have such great affect with helping others:* Kate was just as or more concerned about others than she was herself before she escaped, & was MORE concerned about others after she was safe, which was a big part of what prompted others to act quickly. Also, Laura, the young Constable acted in the same way!
Kate and Hancock were both EXTRAORDINARY young women, determined to stand their ground, believe in and supported each other. Kate being able to turn that traumatic experience into something positive to help other victims is amazing. Thank you both, from women all over the world 🙏🏻
I suspect this police dept might have said, “Gosh, we’ve never had a serial killing here. So she must be lying. They give the person the benefit of the doubt. Now Police know that for potential serial killers, the clock is ticking. They can’t afford to disbelieve allegations of serial killers. They were not connecting the dots. Kidnappings and cases of missing persons often end in murder. This was also before Police were trained to recognize signs of deception when they interview potential victims and potential perpetrators. And now they take a lot longer to determine someone is innocent or guilty. Now, Police don’t assume someone reporting violent crime is lying without investigating their story.
That's the Australian police for you. They could not care less, and on the rare occasion they do care, their hands are tied by a system that inherently protects the most predatory of criminals and further victimises the victims.
@@EmEm78 This sounds like a majority of the police in the west. Pedophile gangs running rampant in England and little to nothing is done. Young girls raped by multiple ‘men’ and the girls are blamed. It’s sickening beyond comprehension and doesn’t seem to be abating.
@@EmEm78Doesn't just happen in Australia. Think it was on this channel as well that is the case of another (American) victim who was the only survivor of a serial killer who wasn't believed initially because when they called her home she lived with her abusive grandmother and uncle who sexually abused her, the grandmother told the cops she always lied. She became a police officer if I remember correctly. (there are more cases like that so I may have mismatched the specific details from 2 cases) It sadly still happens too often that, especially when it comes to teenagers or young adults who still live at home, when they are reported missing the first reaction from police is they probably ran away and will be back tomorrow/soon. Police will often have a 24 hour waiting period before it's even possible to formally have them reported as missing and for police will take action. Not sure how this works in different countries or if the laws have been changed now, especially regarding teenagers.
Indeed. The world would be a better place if enablers of such atrocities were put in the same prison as the perpetrators they support. Karma at its finest.
This is a warning that anyone can be abusive and dangerous no matter the gender or situation in life. So glad she was able to help put these people to justice.
So redeeming to hear of a case where a survivor fights back and wins. And yes to hear that she wasn’t believed without ANY investigation was infuriating!
The fact that the police were going to charge her for filing a false report should be illegal in itself. How can they come to that conclusion and possibly ruin someone's life without doing an ounce of work to determine if that's true or not? Police everywhere suck sometimes.
In Wellinton in Febuary last year at a peaceful protest outside parliament, a Policewoman broke a woman protesters sternum. She was in agonising pain They didnt call an ambulance straightaway They didnt believe her and told her she was a drama queen When she got to hospital she was seen last because she was a “protester” and sent home by herself barely able to move her arms #freenzmedia
@parisinthe30s we in the US have some of the worst cops. Have you seen Sonya Massey’s body cam murder? The cop who murdered her was transferred around to 6 departments in just 4 years for multiple misconduct issues and he still got to work.
I'm sorry but HOW the fuck do you look at someone who's almost naked, beat up and has restraint marks all over them and go "Nah, nothing bad happened here"? Even if they thought she was lying about being kidnapped it's obvious SOMETHING happened to her. But sure, better call the victim a liar than actually than do their fucking jobs and investigate. Police officers are literally the only people who can be so irresponsible, lazy and cruel on the job and face absolutely no consequences for it, all the while people get fired for something as stupid and unimportant as not bringing someone their juice on time. Make it make sense.
You are by far my favorite true crime channel. Not only do you describe these cases extremely well and put so much detail into them, you focus more on the victim than the offender. You don't make the offender seem like they're being idolized and I appreciate that so so much.
I think it’s way too fast passed although i would say the detail and editing is good it’s hard to follow up with the quick narrative. I personally enjoy explore with us better as the narrator raven has a cool and mysterious voice and narrates everything at a pace that’s easy to follow with
Many, many, *many* victims don’t come forward because they are simply not believed. This beautiful woman had a strong resolve and wouldn’t take “no” for an answer. Lord knows how many other victims she saved by being so courageous in the face of denial and ridicule. I’d probably curl up into a ball and never leave my house again if I were in her shoes. When we don’t believe women *people die* .
How many more women died, because the sergeant (name unknown) chose not to believe her, ordered her statement to be filed as "a false report' and actually charged her for making said "false report"?! Thank God, constable Hancock had the intelligence, intuition and common sense to advise the detective to contact Kate. She saved many lives. I certainly hope that sergeant was charged with "negligence of duty" and *Terminated* . Never allowed to work in "law enforcement", ever again!
And those illogical souls that are foolishly too fast to dismiss should not be wearing badges. There has to be an update to prevent such illogical souls from getting a job in the police field.
True Crimes shows it everytime, how fast the most incompetent disconnected people enter government fields and have been causing the horrific corruption levels to go unchecked, That's been causing the populations to be in a lower state of existence that everyone has been complaining about. The populations can easily achieve a better state of existence, But new necessary laws have to be put to prevent incompetent disconnected people from entering specific positions of power. Those that are fast to dismiss literal visible evidence, Those that can't use their brains to connect dots and interconnect what's extremely blatantly visible regarding the outdated unethical status quo, Those that dwell in theories and foolishly disregard blatant conspiracies against the populations, All of those morons / Energetic parasite's should get Legally Eradicated because they've been playing an unethical role in the abduction of feminine energy and have been playing a role in the misuse, pollute and unethical harm of the feminine energy that has been causing the disharmony of the feminine and masculine energy that has visibly been viciously sabotaging, damaging and causing the populations instability.
It’s not about individual baddies, it’a about culture. The culture simple didn’t believe women and girls. Immediately the thought of men was “what if the men are innocent and she ruins their life!, what if the women did it to MEEEEE”. It’s much better now. But still we can improve
The cops should investigate ALL charges, BUT in their defense, they DO hear many far-fetched stories and false charges, but they should always investigate.
Kate is an amazingly brave woman, and officer/detective Hancock and Ferguson deserve thanks/respect from everyone for their work in solving these crimes!
A neighbor saw her escape but didn’t even call 911?! She just went on with her day like that was nothing…? It’s unfathomable how oblivious some people can be.
*000. It's 000 here in Australia. 911 wouldn't have done much😏. Obv I agree but so many people play ignorance because they don't want to get involved. I've been in situations where I was being abused in public but nobody wants to step in. I had been dragged back to our car by the hair after running as soon as he pulled up and beaten. Although we were on a busy highway, one car stopped and even they took off quickly pretty much straight away. I was still grateful they tried though. As I said somewhere else, if it's not their problem, people will turn a blind eye.
@@nelliesilvers1210 well, people with that attitude should read this quote and reflect on their behavior: “And you can also commit an injustice by doing nothing” - Marcus Aurelius … over 2000 year old wisdom ;)
At 3:57, a 17-year-old girl solves a serial killer case, hands it to the police on a silver platter, they decide to charge her with filing a false police report. That's your tax dollars hard at work. If there's one thing worse than a pair of serial killers, it's the police. (Edit: adjusted the timestamp)
Not to mention, because of her brave efforts, and the scale of the crime, it became a major story in the media. As a result, after cops went on television to boast about their "brilliant detective work," thus, promotions were granted. So the very cops that mocked a victim, called her a liar and very nearly ARRESTED her, used her "case of a career" to get raises and climb the social/political ladder! It makes me physically sick!
@@joanodom2104there always some crappy corrupted cops where their names should be list so we show them how dumb they are and make their ansestors embarrassed for them.
Kate is absolutely a hero, a sadly overused term that truly fits in this case. The world needs so many more brave people like her these days, where victims are again so cruelly pushed aside and re-victimized in favor of criminals and personal profit and political power.
Definitely a hero and not overused in this time instance. More attention is paid to our sporting, acting etc community. She has been a change agent as some believe her and she believed her instinct.
I totally agree she is a HERO and should be recognized like others. She has saved who knows how many young girls would have been their next victims let alone the crimes she solved! Yes she definitely is a Brave Hero and even more amazing is she was only “17!” Also she changed the stipulations for woman after years of detention facing parole. There was a new law put in place that it was an automatic no under certain circumstances.
Kate is a true warrior. A hero. And bless the police who believed her and worked to protect future women from those monsters. May the memories of those women who died so tragically be not of how they died , but rather of the bright blessing the world received by their having lived. Their light shines still. And I believe there will come a time when we will all be reunited. 🥀🕊️🌱🌹
It is disgusting that the cops wouldn't believe her. She is a very exceptional woman who did not let fear completely consume her, therefore she was able to keep her cool enough to find a way and opportunity to escape. She lived another day.
Something similar happened to me in south australia. While the guys was holding the knife over me acting out the places he was going to put it, he heard a noise outside and got angry thinking I had called the police so went to investigate. When he got outside I slammed and locked the door behind him and called the police. When the police came, he was still trying to get at me. They knocked on the door and I opened it while he was being questioned in the corner. When I opened the door, he charged me again and the police arrested him and put him in the xar. When I told them what happened, the detective said it was probably a set of keys and I was mistaken. They basically said I had over reacted and imagined it. They said he was delusional and psychotic. It's as if it's too much paperwork for them. Oh! And while he wouldn't let me leave for those few days, he told me a story about kane and able, and about how he had to kill his brother as a sacrifice to the music industry (he made music). Later his brother was found hanging after he was missing for over a year. I know he killed his brother and others
What a devastating ordeal- that must have profoundly affected you in so many ways most would never imagine. I’m so sorry, It’s great you thought quickly and escaped- it’s inexcusable the police were so inept. I wish you strength, comfort , peace and happiness moving forward. Bless you.
If anyone else goes through this, I'm not saying it was easy to get passed it. I had disassociation for a couple weeks and it felt like he had killed me and I was a ghost waiting to realise I wasn't alive anymore. Even my taste went away. I disassociated once after I left hospital and drove amd crashed my car somewhere but have no memory and only know from bank records and the damage to my car. Don't give up because it will pass. ♥️
Worked in Victim Services. You have no idea what it takes to be heard, believed, then your case investigated & adjudicated. REAL HEROES at every step!!! 🙏
This was a terrifying time in Perth, we couldn’t believe it was happening. The youngest victim, Sue Candy, was my fathers friends daughter. It was horrible. David Birnie killed himself in prison. Catherine Birnie was considered for parole but eventually laws were changed and her file has been marked ‘never to be released’.
I’m so sorry about young Sue and all of them. May they rest in eternal peace. ❤🙏🏼 I was a little girl in Los Angeles when Richard Ramirez was terrorizing the area so I can relate to some extent. To this day my older brothers swear they saw him lurking outside our neighbors house. He was captured about 20 minutes from where we lived six or seven weeks later.
@ascent I love how shocked Richard Ramirez was that “his own people” were hunting him down despite raping another Latina woman. He wouldn’t have been caught without the residents of East LA!
I live in Perth & my husband & I ran a deli in the outer Fremantle area, close to where the Birnies lived & carried out their crimes. Kate ran hurt & naked into a little neighbourhood business. 17yrs old!!! Laura Hancock is a hero & shame on the other cops who disrespected & disbelieved her & Kate. The Birnies were true evil. So much more to their story. Living through that time & seeing them ‘performing grotesquely’ in the papers & on the news every day (no social media in those days) was chilling. Catherine Birnie is a mother who left her ‘7’ kids to be with David & rape, torture & murder…next level evil. Their spree & the Claremont killings in the ‘90’s really left an indelible scar on Perth. Many of us knew family members & friends of the victims & as a community supported & shared the horror & grief with the families living through those scary,terrible times. To lose a child in this way is incomprehensible.
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 I have just read a comment from you elsewhere & am being very presumptuous assuming you’re Kiwi!!! Kia ora…I live in WA but was born & raised in Wellington, most of my family have Taranaki roots. I’m a Kiwi-roo😂. It really feeds my soul when people take the time to comment positively to me, I hope that I can do likewise. To brighten someone’s day with a couple of words is awesome to me. Too many people choose only to be cruel & nasty. Not my style. Even though I’m a huge true crime buff & watch LOTS of it, in my world kindness & positivity rule. All the very best to you & yours, hope you have a wonderful day.😊👍🏻
19:10 THIS IS NOT OK! life in jail should mean LIFE IN JAIL! screw the appeals and making the victims BEG the courts to keep these sick pedos behind bars! they ruined lives so they should have to give their whole damn life
His info was wrong a few times in this video. She went up for parole once, was denied and was marked as never to be released. She will never be eligible for parole again
What a trooper. Leaving items behind, thinking of others, running away after such an ordeal. Going through all that Kate went through had to require an insane level of strength to keep going. I am glad she got away and got those bad people behind bars.
She isn't the first to do that by the way there was another rape victim just like her the girl was a lot younger and she managed to survive by making sure that she left bits of toys and other things that her captors had around the place so that would be no question if anything happened to her that there would be evidence that she'd been there. She too made a run for it but she got lucky and neighbor got her come in and he called the cops, the rest is history.
Given how easy it would have been to check out the couple to see if their home matched Kate's description, it is incredible how the police did nothing initially.
All I can think about is how law enforcement, worldwide, is just filled with either low IQ individuals, criminals, and corruption. The bar needs to be significantly raised for people in positions of power.
I think the force attracts a lot of people interested in the position of power it puts them in. But there are so many really good cops and investigators. It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole bunch.
White Australia is made of decendants of hardened ex cons from England. The were shipped there after the prisons over flowed. That must explain your observation.
Notice how you have to murder three or more not to be eligible for parole. So that if you rape and murder just two kids you can still get parole. I will never understand why people try so hard to be nice to these scumbags.
Pay attention next time you watch a video please. I’m fed up with people making asinine comments about an already resolved issue. Attention span of a moth it appears.
@memedemon6273 Its RUDE to not listen to a very important story, and then politically go off about the law and reforms needed etc when it's literally right in the video. People are rightfully becoming less patient as the years go on, as we see the sheep getting worse and worse with their listening+ critical thinking skills, and then this is how the rest of us are stuck on the receiving end of living under terrible politicians who pass shitty tyrannical laws and buried under economic inflation and drafted in wars that we have no buisness being in!!! PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION
This is such a rebuke the the idea that experience is everything. Those experienced cops were so judgemental, cold, and cynical that they didn't believe this young victim. It took an inexperienced cop who was still in touch with their own empathy, who didn't have it stamped out of them, to hear what she had to say and know that she was telling the truth
So let me get this straight : the girl knocked on every door in the neighborhood and no one was home yet the neighbor when asked by the news and police gave a detailed description of everything even the way the girl jumped out of the window Omg that tells me they might have known about the other girls and didn't even bother helping them
I wouldn't be surprised but considering I wouldn't have been surprised but considering she's an old lady they probably wouldn't have believed her either would they, and she was probably just as afraid of being accused of making a false complaint or worse than finding out that she saw things then they'd come after her, when you are an old person you tend to think of do I do something about this or do I keep my mouth shut and stay alive, my guess is she chose the latter.
It's baffling why these murderers are given chances over and over again when they themselves didn't give their victims a chance. I guess things would be way different if these lawmakers, lawyers, and judges have had loved ones murdered too.
@@iagreewithyou3478, I totally agree with you! My partner and I were just talking about that last night, how if we had committed some horrible crime 20 some years ago how we would be so much better off right now bc it seems like the more severe crime you commit the more help you'll get when you get out of prison.
I TOTALLY agree with you . I live in the UK and am constantly horrified by the lenient sentences by the judicial system. Not just for murder , but ALL types of crime and I wholeheartedly believe that the USA has it right ! In the UK , it seems to me that the laws are designed to protect the perpetrator, rather than the victim . Have a great day Alaryicjude !
the RUclips algorithm will hide videos with words like that, sometimes even swearwords, so if creators want to stay visible, unfortunately they censor those words
How insane!? A near naked girl with injuries knocks on a strangers door and the first thing police think is that she’s lying? Those cops should have been fired.
I can't imagine the strength and resolve this woman had at 17. Also the fact that they actually pulled into her driveway is torture. To know that you were right there and then your life changed forever.
@@Carmen-us1ew When you are young you don't think that anything will happen. It's a nice night I can walk it will be fine. Then my friend can go home because she's already gone so far out of her way.
I live in Perth too and I’ve met Kate. I think she was in the gifted and talented program at her school. Hiding evidence to prove she had been in their house was genius.
I know right? Like you're seeing this happening this and you're not a kid to put two and two together so why not call the cops even if is nothing was wrong it would've been safer then sorry.
They must have passed themselves off as decent members of the community, who’d have known this teen was abducted rather than just some kid that had been out drinking and partying too hard 🤷♀️ You don’t expect serial killers to live in your midst
Sadly, even with the short life I’ve lived - I’ve met people who turned a blind eye to all sorts of sexual crimes and that’s just in my own experience. Grown men in relationships with underaged girls, child pornography, domestic violence, revenge porn, abuse, etc. men and woman alike. Old and young. I met a woman once who blamed a 14 year old girl for sending explicit pictures of herself to a man online. She was a grooming victim. The mother of the man said it was the girls fault and she was a stupid little girl, and since her son didn’t touch the girl technically, he did nothing wrong. I’ve seen friends of MINE turn a blind eye to sexual crimes and abuse of all sorts of natures throughout my life and I’m not even that old. From covering up for others to lying, to cases of actual crimes being committed that people just shrug their shoulders and look away from. You literally can’t trust anybody in this world. There are good people out there but the reason these people get away with what they do, are the people who say nothing. People like that are like a disease. They don’t lift a finger to hurt another but neither do they to help. And there are millions of people like this out here who genuinely think it just ‘doesn’t concern them.’ Humans are just wicked and awful.
You do a good job, every story is riveting because you do not waste time and provide the facts. I have to stop watching or I would never stop and end up binge watching. I have watch such narratives where the stories are stretched to make them more interesting and lose me instead.
I remember when this was all going on. A lot of young girls who had gone missing and where never found are thought to have been victims of the Birnies. I remember my mum drilling it into my sister's head, never EVER get into a stranger's car because of this.
I was around her age and living in perth during this period, and it was scary as hell. I always amazed at her bravery, I’m not sure if I could’ve been so brave. Clever lady, incredible
Wtf "sounds like a lie , stitch her up with false reporting " (that she stripped down and ran into the streets to make) this cop has tunnel vision and didn't even talk to the victim) So glad that this case went to the rookie , should have said "stitch the supervisor up with a false arrest ." Almost missing a huge case which undoubtedly would have caused more murders. Should be fired blinded by tunnel vision , because it "sounded" unbelievable .Crimes are crazy sounding and unbelievable. To be a good cop you've got to be able to SEE this, not arrest the victim because you don't like the crime that's been committed against her. Cause more trauma to someone who just barely escaped her own death, and wants justice for other deaths, and to stop further deaths.
Exactly! Let's just say it. Many cops, especially the so-called long-service senior ones, are just too damn LAZY. Not only that but they also think nothing of bringing their PERSONAL viewpoint, not their PROFESSIONAL assessment, into their work. WE are paying them, for godsakes! THis is police incompetence, misconduct, malfeasance AND nonfeasance. If I were Kate, I would SO sue that police department and the officers involved in the handling of her case. And I'd ask for a million dollars at least.
The tunnel vision is caused by the filter of sexism. It makes people blind to the truth. But also the culture at the time was 1) lazy 2)that sex crimes were gross, and beneath the profession of policing, which was to car chase and catch banks robbers like in comic books minus the capes.
What a strong alert woman you are Katherin. You survived and saved so many others from these monsters grasp. What a wonderful soul here suffering to save and give service to others. God bless you dear one, may you have a future of happiness and peace now.💜🙏🏻
The reply about this type of thing not being illegal tells you all you want to know about attitudes of men and police in W Australia. As someone who has lived here since 1950s misogynist attitudes prevail to this day.
I was kept for 5 months against my will. My captor was never even confronted because Lexington Kentucky police didn't believe me. "What proof do you have?" And "that's a serious accusation you have" was the response. What a disgrace. I almost died the day I left and my monster never got a slap on the wrist.
The Birnies are vile. Truly demented. There was a movie about them, "The Hounds of Love" I think it's called. That's when I saw what a courageous hero Kate is! I didn't realize the cops were so unhelpful. She's extra heroic for not giving up! 🏆
I’m so glad Kate had herself together as a very intelligent young lady at the time of her ordeal & was able to work out an escape plan to free herself for these evil people & also for the police woman Annette who believed in her & taking matters further to help capture these two evil people so no one else ever had to go through this ordeal … You are both hero’s
How many times does Sergeant did this to a victim and they did not get justice???? and then they turned around and had him investigate the case instead of firing him because I know if I make a mistake like that at my job, I wouldn’t have a job
Kate is a hero. Those critters destroyed so many families, R.I.P to the victims and there loved ones. Davids daughter got sterilised as she was scared to have a child like him.
@@Tawadeb I think its more what he did to her, evil, she seems pretty together, just badly effected by what her father did. He destroyed so many lives.
was so scared when they said she had a concussion after escaping, thought she wouldn't make it but man does she make it. I don't know her and I am proud of her. what resolve. both of these women deserve a standing ovation.
I have lived in Perth my whole life and through the Bernies reign of terror, how the Police initially doubted her is bewildering, I met Kate many years later, she is an amazing woman that saved many lives, I also had an encounter with Catherine in the 90's when I was a contractor and the ladies prison, we knew she had walked into the room just by the feeling that washed over us, she was pure evil. David was raping and assaulting women from when he was 13yrs old, I know people that knew him then, he was never charged with those crimes because of who the victims were the police didn't care, he was given a beating by others that knew what he had done at the time.
This woman not only escaped survived helped to fimd the house, where she hid things to prove she didnt run off incase she died but also befriended a person enough to not be chained. Concussed herself getting out. But then relived her story every 3 years just to keep the woman in jail, and then wrote a book about it AND helped change the justice system aswell. This woman is probably the STRONGEST woman ever emotionally and mentally going through that and repeatedly going back and thwn writing a book about it had to have been hard, i suppose thereputic in a way aswell because she wasnt bottling it up instead sharing it which helps not only herself but countless others who have been through similar. Shes a true hero
What a truly brave woman Kate Moir was and is in every sense of the word. I was born in Perth and lived here all my life. I was 20 years old at the time of these murders so most of the girls were around my age, I even worked with Denise Brown's sister at the time she went missing. This was a shocking period in Perth's history and many of us girls were warned by our parents to be extra vigilant. Palmyra was only two suburbs away from my home. We followed this case intensely because it was so unheard of for sleepy little Perth and it terrified us, and our hearts broke for those poor women because Perth really was like one big family back then. Kate Moir literally saved the lives of countless other girls, she is a very special person and I pray that she has some sort of peace in her heart nowadays. Her profound level headedness and extreme bravery during such an horrific ordeal deserve so much recognition. What absolutely defies belief is the male police's attitude to Kate and also the other missing girls. Perth really was a very patriarchal, sexist and misogynistic place back then, and women were often treated as second class citizens. Indeed, when police were called out to "domestic violence" incidents their policy was to "never get involved in domestic disagreements between a husband and his wife", so they pretty much always never took it any further which just gave the abusive man a free licence to beat his wife up any time he wanted to and get away with it. It literally was only due to the dedication and instinct of this wonderful police woman together with the indescribable strength and bravery of Kate Moir, that the matter was ever investigated and the vile evil Birnies charged and convicted. Hopefully things have changed alot in law enforcement since then, somehow I don't think so.
Good on Kate for being so strong-minded to plant evidence of herself being there, and her determination to live. It’s a shame she’s had to relive it every 3 yrs, but she has continued to be strong.💛💪🏼
Yesterday, I was talking to someone whose daughter is in the same prison as Katherine. She said that the other inmates call her "Nanna"... fucking disturbing. Great video as usual.
Something very similar happened to me in 1986. He wasn't a serial killer, but still a monster. The police wouldn't listen. They didn't care. I was ignored and am still ignored to this day. The man who actually kidnapped me and raped and tortured me was given a very reduced sentence and served only 3 mos in county jail. His buddy, the one who stayed with me when the main guy left, was given 7 years. Me? I was arrested because it took me having to break the law in front of the police to get arrested so I could get away from my kidnapper because 1 officer literally drove off and left me standing on the sidewalk when I had slipped around the corner from the kidnapper. He said I wasn't reacting like I'd been kidnapped. What? The next 2 said I was "just trying to get out of the charges." They got it SO, so wrong. So wrong.
I'm not surprised really. I thought Perth was a hick town and everyone was so unprofessional. It's an isolated place that perhaps just makes the people there apathetic.
@TheDendra7 yep. I can't believe more people didn't catch on to that. Like did she even call the police and tell them there's a crazy naked people running down the damn street after breaking breaking a windows and climbing out of it .
@joanodom2104 she could have called the police from her damn house or something. She straight up watched this poor girl break out of a fucking window and take off down the road running... this lady shouldn't have even shown her face. Like no excuse . None
I get sooo excited whenever you post a new video. Thank you for such high quality content that I feel I could find on Investigation Discovery lol- but way more captivating! Thank you for telling these victim’s stories.
I’m from Perth and the same age as Kate. Best thing was when David Burnie was up for release he sadly “committed suicide” while still on the inside. They were pure evil.
The legal system all over the world baffles me. If someone has killed ONE person deliberately for their own gratification, they should NEVER be allowed an opportunity to do it again. Yes, there are circumstances like stupid young teens getting involved in gangs & being too scared to stand up to peer pressure, who should be given a second chance after rehabilitation. But serial killers or parents who execute their children are not in that category.
What a very brave lady and I am glad her life was spared . Those two serial killers are monsters and don’t deserve to have a life . RIP to all those innocent victims that were murdered by those two psychopaths .
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This woman saved lives. That rookie cop did everything right. So glad shes alive.
Amen to that
Exactly and had it been a male cop I don't think things would have been the same 🤔
What a smart kid.
I hope her boss was immediately removed but we all know even today that wouldn’t happen easily
It's terrible what she went through, but if it wasn't her who knows if they ever would have been caught those two, and it not for her that silliness of serial killers getting a chance a freedom wouldn't have changed, those people shouldn't deserve a second chance under any circumstance. Tough as hell girl.
How can cops not believe a near naked rape victim with restraint marks on her? What's wrong with them? They nearly missed the chance to break the biggest case of their careers?
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Most are dumb and lazy
....I wish I could believe in the justice system of the western world..but it's clear for all to see; it has seen its best days and is now in decline, like every empire before it. We just happen to be alive to witness it, like those before us in previous times.
Because women are marginalized.
just guessing that maybe they thought drugs were involved?
Not only survives and escapes, but lives to change the parole system. What an amazing person.
Right? So badass.
Amazing resilient woman.
Totally agree!
She has my respect a big time
Thank you Kate for Standing up for what is right
May God bless you
Don’t judge people for past experiences which most people do
STOP ✋
She is an amazing WOMAN.
As an Australian I'm disgusted at how they wanted to dismiss her. Perhaps lucky a female rookie was sent in. Also that they made her testify every 3 yrs! Wtf. This lady is a hero
It was heartbreaking to hear that not only did the police not believe her story but were ready to charge her without even going to check it out. It is an incomprehensible shame.
So let me get this straight, young girls going missing and a detective immediately tries to dismiss a girl that’s just been taken and assaulted?? Wow!! Incompetent to the max.
Complicit
Honestly
A facepalm moment 💀
Incompetent or in kahoots?
West Australian police in the 80's.
Classic pedo behavior. Men frequently ignore obvious signs like this when they’re guilty of pedophilia themselves. This is why we see essentially zero actions in response the the MASSIVE pedophilia rings exposed on Instagram. Hundreds of millions of pedo’s exposed, mostly middle aged, married men, with children of their own! All ignored! It is blatantly obvious at this point.
Shame on the supervisor for demanding Kate be charged for "lying." A near naked, r@ped, hurt, teenage girl, with marks from being chained up isn't believed?! Thank goodness for the 2 officers who knew better and finally found such a monstrous couple. Kate is a true hero.
I hope the supervisor lost their job after that, and that they still cant sleep at night.
Some cops are real heroes, aren't they..? 😳😣😳😬
You'll have to see my other comment up aways because youtube bans me from telling anyone the same thing. because apparently I am an idiot? Unless, what follows actually is allowed to be posted.
That supervisor should have been fired and then given 10 years at least, for being an accessory to the crime for their blatant trying to squash the truth.
They prob knew the couple...the police capt or sgt
They tend to be involved to some degree....Epstein......the royals, freemasons etc. They ritualize the pain they're inflicting on others
he who casts stones
Murderers and kidnappers and repeat sex offenders should never be released. Let them out and they can do it again
Only repeat? I say the first time should get you behind bars forever. Much worse than just kidnapping.
@@honda-akariAmen to that. In many ways it’s worse than murder. If your murdered your suffering is over. Most SA victims suffer the rest of their lives. Lots of times it not only ruins their lives but many others. If it were up to me I say get a rope. Why should we pay for them to live ? Same goes for anyone who harms a child in any way.
They WILL do it
I disagree! Let them out and THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN!
I agree, Kathy looks very hard. Rape is about power and control.
My twelve-year-old daughter and I were victims of a home invasion and rape. I was raped in front of her. This has changed Who We Are. My daughter was so innocent.
It's difficult at times to not be overwhelmed by anxiety and PTSD. Animals like this enjoyed tormenting people. It is the only thing that gives some real Joy.
Wonder what it was about noelene that trigger Kathy? Maybe jealousy? Because she wants into child so maybe she felt as if she was in competition with her?
The fact the cops were going to charge the victim for a false report because they didn't believe her is disgusting 😤
Right? They shod fking always take words like that seriously! Lazy sonofab, not cops!
I reported a rape once. The guy claimed “I didn’t do it” and that was that he clearly was innocent. Being a victim who wasn’t believed is horrid.
coming from a fellow victim, i believe you. i hope you're well nowadays, you deserve happiness
Who would make up the story? I mean no one would make up the story the police thinking that they would make up the story who would make up that story I mean come on I guess this is years ago before serial killers are on TV every freaking day like I’m watching right now.
@@wheresbaby7783 With complete respect to actual victims, many girls make it up, and many men have been falsely punished. This grates me, because as a teenager I was falsely accused of sexual assault, how fortunate I was to have witnesses, but in a small town of only 20,000, my name became mud and I never had a girlfriend from my hometown again.
@@wheresbaby7783except there are victims that lie about stories like that. That’s why the police have to make their investigation and make sure they got the right culprits.
The problem is that evidence has proven so many times that woman have lied about being raped! So the idiots that would actually lie about a disgusting crime like this hurt the credibility of the ones that actually are victims! It works both ways! And anyone who commits these acts on either side are terrible people!
17 year old Kate instinctively did what I've heard experts in these sort of scenarios say increases your chance of survival. She cooperated and even feigned friendliness towards Catherine Birnie so the capter let her guard down. I think she's a highly intelligent person who survived something truly horrific happening to her.
Gavin de Becker would be proud. She had such SITAW.
@@lulumoon6942 SITAW is what?
@@matilda4406 situational awareness?
@@lulumoon6942why are people getting so lazy about using actual WORDS?
@@afonphoenix16 good question
As a woman who was refused justice as a child, it haunts you forever. Especially when your attacker lives near you
Can u do it again?❤ I am sorry it happened to u
I’m just so sorry 😨🥹🥹💔
Mine suffered most of his life with health problems. He went to the Dr. For pain in his wrist. He was full of cancer. He died a horrendous, painful death.
@@HoneyQuintdo what?
You know where they live? Get your own justice😉
The fact that there was so much visible evidence already there and they were planning on charging kate is crazy
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Ahhh the 1980’s..
Australia
Australia is millions times worse 😢 than the US. Dirty dirty dirty.
It's INSANE. There was a lot of this sort of idiocy in the "good old days" here in Australia.. not the brightest tool in the shed! Hope he was fired!
Thank you Kate for what you have done for Australian society. You managed to save countless lives because of your bravery.
The way she's able to speak about it in such a matter of fact way is insane she's really strong
"Stitch her up for false reporting" What excellent police work. Why do the job if you aren't prepared to actually do the job? It's terrifying.
To be honest, that is the nature of Perth. It's like a hick town in the middle of nowhere, despite being a large city.
There was a lot of misogyny in that era in the police forces . There still is among many .
“Stitch” in my vernacular implies that they wanted to also falsify or exaggerate some things in the report
@bingonamo7520 So you think the police in nsw and Queensland have a sqeaky clean record when it comes to corruption? NSW and New York city were the most corrupt police forces in the western world in the 70s and 80s
@@bingonamo7520 You said it!
As an Australian I started swearing at the part where they only believed her after finding the hidden cigarettes, because Aussie cops (not all but a lot!) need evidence spoon fucking fed to them! Makes me furious. Good on you Kate and Hancock. Takes a woman I guess.
There was one decent male cop. I think they said he was from a different district or something?
I guess many Aussie cops are quick to act when they suspect a non-white offender, only based on race. Once they realize that suspect is innocent, those cops don´t learn. Either their training is biased and unprofessional or they are stupid.
Isn't it interesting and fucking infuriating how we women all over the world are not believed. By cops, detectives, doctors....men. Everywhere it's everywhere. And no, saying "there was one good male cop" absolutely means nothing. Nothing. It's just the same "not all men" with slightly different wording.
The underlying misogyny inherent in Aussie society unfortunately was very prevalent in Aussie police forces they have got their act together a bit better these days
@@tomricketts7821 One would expect the Aussie culture to be more gender balanced. I am glad to see there are improvements.
I moved to Australia (from UK) in Jan 88 and this was a huge and ongoing story. That woman (Birnie) will never see the light of a free day ever again. The Australian people old enough to remember it will never let that happen. Kate is an absolute warrior and an inspiration to all females. Thanks for covering this horrendous, important and quite frankly, ultimately inspiring story.
May she rot in jail
What could enter the minds of people to do these horrible things?!!These people are sick as Hell!!They deserve what they get!!Happy that Kate survived because is no easy being held captive and being intimidated!She is brave and heroic Thanks to all the Universe she is alive and well.Way to go,Girl!KATE YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!!
I just don’t understand the motive. No kidnapping for money. Just plain evil, I guess. And that’s hard to fathom. So they raped and she watched, snd then they killed their victim. Pure evil is the only motive I can figure out. And it doesn’t sound like much of a motive. They liked the thrill of being sadists, not getting caught, and doing it again.
@@susanmoorhead8762 Totally so!!
@@susanmoorhead8762 Misogyny.
*How ONE act from ONE person (who seemingly had no power at the time) can have such great affect with helping others:* Kate was just as or more concerned about others than she was herself before she escaped, & was MORE concerned about others after she was safe, which was a big part of what prompted others to act quickly. Also, Laura, the young Constable acted in the same way!
What an incredible woman. Her bravery is outstanding. It’s heartbreaking to know there is such evil in this world.
Kate and Hancock were both EXTRAORDINARY young women, determined to stand their ground, believe in and supported each other. Kate being able to turn that traumatic experience into something positive to help other victims is amazing. Thank you both, from women all over the world 🙏🏻
Birnie was also a woman. VICTIMS are grateful for her capture.
How can a distressed child walk into a police station and not be believed. This is why people hate police. They are supposed to help.
I suspect this police dept might have said, “Gosh, we’ve never had a serial killing here. So she must be lying. They give the person the benefit of the doubt. Now Police know that for potential serial killers, the clock is ticking. They can’t afford to disbelieve allegations of serial killers.
They were not connecting the dots. Kidnappings and cases of missing persons often end in murder.
This was also before Police were trained to recognize signs of deception when they interview potential victims and potential perpetrators. And now they take a lot longer to determine someone is innocent or guilty.
Now, Police don’t assume someone reporting violent crime is lying without investigating their story.
That's the Australian police for you. They could not care less, and on the rare occasion they do care, their hands are tied by a system that inherently protects the most predatory of criminals and further victimises the victims.
that how cops treat victims. they don’t gaf. acab.
@@EmEm78
This sounds like a majority of the police in the west. Pedophile gangs running rampant in England and little to nothing is done. Young girls raped by multiple ‘men’ and the girls are blamed. It’s sickening beyond comprehension and doesn’t seem to be abating.
@@EmEm78Doesn't just happen in Australia. Think it was on this channel as well that is the case of another (American) victim who was the only survivor of a serial killer who wasn't believed initially because when they called her home she lived with her abusive grandmother and uncle who sexually abused her, the grandmother told the cops she always lied. She became a police officer if I remember correctly.
(there are more cases like that so I may have mismatched the specific details from 2 cases)
It sadly still happens too often that, especially when it comes to teenagers or young adults who still live at home, when they are reported missing the first reaction from police is they probably ran away and will be back tomorrow/soon. Police will often have a 24 hour waiting period before it's even possible to formally have them reported as missing and for police will take action. Not sure how this works in different countries or if the laws have been changed now, especially regarding teenagers.
So kind of the neighbors to see a half naked young lady come out a window and run and not call the police. Wow
Yeah. .. That was shocking.
I thought the same! She gave an incredibly detailed report but took no action.
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Indeed. The world would be a better place if enablers of such atrocities were put in the same prison as the perpetrators they support. Karma at its finest.
Or answer the Door.
This is a warning that anyone can be abusive and dangerous no matter the gender or situation in life. So glad she was able to help put these people to justice.
So redeeming to hear of a case where a survivor fights back and wins.
And yes to hear that she wasn’t believed without ANY investigation was infuriating!
The fact that the police were going to charge her for filing a false report should be illegal in itself. How can they come to that conclusion and possibly ruin someone's life without doing an ounce of work to determine if that's true or not? Police everywhere suck sometimes.
In Wellinton in Febuary last year at a peaceful protest outside parliament, a Policewoman broke a woman protesters sternum.
She was in agonising pain
They didnt call an ambulance straightaway
They didnt believe her and told her she was a drama queen
When she got to hospital she was seen last because she was a “protester” and sent home by herself barely able to move her arms
#freenzmedia
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alivethat's a bunch of BS lol
@parisinthe30s we in the US have some of the worst cops. Have you seen Sonya Massey’s body cam murder? The cop who murdered her was transferred around to 6 departments in just 4 years for multiple misconduct issues and he still got to work.
I'm sorry but HOW the fuck do you look at someone who's almost naked, beat up and has restraint marks all over them and go "Nah, nothing bad happened here"? Even if they thought she was lying about being kidnapped it's obvious SOMETHING happened to her. But sure, better call the victim a liar than actually than do their fucking jobs and investigate. Police officers are literally the only people who can be so irresponsible, lazy and cruel on the job and face absolutely no consequences for it, all the while people get fired for something as stupid and unimportant as not bringing someone their juice on time. Make it make sense.
That really puts it into perspective.
Yes We can see and believe her
I think some police are incompetent
@ICDUMPEPL I'm sorry, what was not illegal in Australia? Kidnapping?
@ICDUMPEPL You're a clown
The question is who hired them?
You are by far my favorite true crime channel. Not only do you describe these cases extremely well and put so much detail into them, you focus more on the victim than the offender. You don't make the offender seem like they're being idolized and I appreciate that so so much.
I 💯 agree with you! This channel is about the only one I'm always eager and excited to see cause of that!!!
I think it’s way too fast passed although i would say the detail and editing is good it’s hard to follow up with the quick narrative. I personally enjoy explore with us better as the narrator raven has a cool and mysterious voice and narrates everything at a pace that’s easy to follow with
He don’t copy other true crime stories either or reupload the same video 5 damn times!
@@jablesbee1816 I have no respect for that guy anymore.
@@gmimi2 why is that
It's absolutely horrible what she went through, but it is incredible how she was able to fight back and in turn save so many lives.
Horrible that the courts make her relive it all every 3 years? That is sick and twisted.
Many, many, *many* victims don’t come forward because they are simply not believed. This beautiful woman had a strong resolve and wouldn’t take “no” for an answer. Lord knows how many other victims she saved by being so courageous in the face of denial and ridicule. I’d probably curl up into a ball and never leave my house again if I were in her shoes. When we don’t believe women *people die* .
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Her captor was also a woman.
How many more women died, because the sergeant (name unknown) chose not to believe her, ordered her statement to be filed as "a false report' and actually charged her for making said "false report"?!
Thank God, constable Hancock had the intelligence, intuition and common sense to advise the detective to contact Kate. She saved many lives.
I certainly hope that sergeant was charged with "negligence of duty" and *Terminated* . Never allowed to work in "law enforcement", ever again!
None actually
...and Hancock just started being a policeman. She was better at her job than those sexist incapable male policemen.
Law enforcement all over the world would do well to increase their numbers of female officers by 40%.
Law enforcement all over the world would do well to increase their numbers of female officers by 40%.
@@classicscustomsandhotrodso600and how do you know that? He was incompetent, I'm sure there more then a few
What a brave, quick thinking young woman. May God bless her work.
Amen..✝️..
She saved many, I think. Heroic.
And those illogical souls that are foolishly too fast to dismiss should not be wearing badges. There has to be an update to prevent such illogical souls from getting a job in the police field.
True Crimes shows it everytime, how fast the most incompetent disconnected people enter government fields and have been causing the horrific corruption levels to go unchecked, That's been causing the populations to be in a lower state of existence that everyone has been complaining about.
The populations can easily achieve a better state of existence, But new necessary laws have to be put to prevent incompetent disconnected people from entering specific positions of power.
Those that are fast to dismiss literal visible evidence, Those that can't use their brains to connect dots and interconnect what's extremely blatantly visible regarding the outdated unethical status quo, Those that dwell in theories and foolishly disregard blatant conspiracies against the populations, All of those morons / Energetic parasite's should get Legally Eradicated because they've been playing an unethical role in the abduction of feminine energy and have been playing a role in the misuse, pollute and unethical harm of the feminine energy that has been causing the disharmony of the feminine and masculine energy that has visibly been viciously sabotaging, damaging and causing the populations instability.
That's what's unfortunately happening to feminine energy: ruclips.net/video/zmXNIL9800Q/видео.html
It’s not about individual baddies, it’a about culture. The culture simple didn’t believe women and girls. Immediately the thought of men was “what if the men are innocent and she ruins their life!, what if the women did it to MEEEEE”. It’s much better now. But still we can improve
@@M_SCexactly, people don't remember how biased and judgmental the cops and courts were.
Women were not believed. Women were blamed.
The cops should investigate ALL charges, BUT in their defense, they DO hear many far-fetched stories and false charges, but they should always investigate.
Kate is an amazingly brave woman, and officer/detective Hancock and Ferguson deserve thanks/respect from everyone for their work in solving these crimes!
A neighbor saw her escape but didn’t even call 911?! She just went on with her day like that was nothing…?
It’s unfathomable how oblivious some people can be.
*000. It's 000 here in Australia. 911 wouldn't have done much😏.
Obv I agree but so many people play ignorance because they don't want to get involved. I've been in situations where I was being abused in public but nobody wants to step in. I had been dragged back to our car by the hair after running as soon as he pulled up and beaten. Although we were on a busy highway, one car stopped and even they took off quickly pretty much straight away. I was still grateful they tried though.
As I said somewhere else, if it's not their problem, people will turn a blind eye.
@@nelliesilvers1210 well, people with that attitude should read this quote and reflect on their behavior:
“And you can also commit an injustice by doing nothing” - Marcus Aurelius … over 2000 year old wisdom ;)
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Maybe not the only thing but it relates.
@@nelliesilvers1210oh gosh that’s terrible ❤ i agree, step up and step in. It is wrong to not do what we know is the right thing to do.
At 3:57, a 17-year-old girl solves a serial killer case, hands it to the police on a silver platter, they decide to charge her with filing a false police report. That's your tax dollars hard at work. If there's one thing worse than a pair of serial killers, it's the police.
(Edit: adjusted the timestamp)
Not to mention, because of her brave efforts, and the scale of the crime, it became a major story in the media. As a result, after cops went on television to boast about their "brilliant detective work," thus, promotions were granted. So the very cops that mocked a victim, called her a liar and very nearly ARRESTED her, used her "case of a career" to get raises and climb the social/political ladder! It makes me physically sick!
who was being protected in the Police force … and by whom.?
Dumb policemen..😂
@@joanodom2104there always some crappy corrupted cops where their names should be list so we show them how dumb they are and make their ansestors embarrassed for them.
Amen.
Kate is absolutely a hero, a sadly overused term that truly fits in this case. The world needs so many more brave people like her these days, where victims are again so cruelly pushed aside and re-victimized in favor of criminals and personal profit and political power.
Definitely a hero and not overused in this time instance.
More attention is paid to our sporting, acting etc community.
She has been a change agent as some believe her and she believed her instinct.
I totally agree she is a HERO and should be recognized like others. She has saved who knows how many young girls would have been their next victims let alone the crimes she solved! Yes she definitely is a Brave Hero and even more amazing is she was only “17!” Also she changed the stipulations for woman after years of detention facing parole. There was a new law put in place that it was an automatic no under certain circumstances.
Kate is a true warrior. A hero. And bless the police who believed her and worked to protect future women from those monsters.
May the memories of those women who died so tragically be not of how they died , but rather of the bright blessing the world received by their having lived.
Their light shines still. And I believe there will come a time when we will all be reunited.
🥀🕊️🌱🌹
What a remarkable woman. Unbelievable story! So so tragic for the other victims but Kate got justice for them all.❤
Kate wrote a book and changed that horrid system! Good on her👍
It is disgusting that the cops wouldn't believe her. She is a very exceptional woman who did not let fear completely consume her, therefore she was able to keep her cool enough to find a way and opportunity to escape. She lived another day.
Something similar happened to me in south australia. While the guys was holding the knife over me acting out the places he was going to put it, he heard a noise outside and got angry thinking I had called the police so went to investigate. When he got outside I slammed and locked the door behind him and called the police. When the police came, he was still trying to get at me. They knocked on the door and I opened it while he was being questioned in the corner. When I opened the door, he charged me again and the police arrested him and put him in the xar. When I told them what happened, the detective said it was probably a set of keys and I was mistaken. They basically said I had over reacted and imagined it. They said he was delusional and psychotic. It's as if it's too much paperwork for them. Oh! And while he wouldn't let me leave for those few days, he told me a story about kane and able, and about how he had to kill his brother as a sacrifice to the music industry (he made music). Later his brother was found hanging after he was missing for over a year. I know he killed his brother and others
Good God! I hope you managed to recover from that awful and disgraceful experience and are in a better place now. Sending you healing energy.
@@istudios225 Thank you, it took 3 years to move past it but I was able. ❤️
Wow, incredible negligence. Absolutely shocking.
What a devastating ordeal- that must have profoundly affected you in so many ways most would never imagine. I’m so sorry, It’s great you thought quickly and escaped- it’s inexcusable the police were so inept. I wish you strength, comfort , peace and happiness moving forward. Bless you.
If anyone else goes through this, I'm not saying it was easy to get passed it. I had disassociation for a couple weeks and it felt like he had killed me and I was a ghost waiting to realise I wasn't alive anymore. Even my taste went away. I disassociated once after I left hospital and drove amd crashed my car somewhere but have no memory and only know from bank records and the damage to my car. Don't give up because it will pass. ♥️
There’s nothing worse than the poor victims not being believed…
Worked in Victim Services. You have no idea what it takes to be heard, believed, then your case investigated & adjudicated. REAL HEROES at every step!!! 🙏
In my case, the cop believed me.He just didn't care to do anything about it.
Thank all the false accusers.
False accusers make up anywhere between 1 and 3%. That's extremely low.
@@olds394False accusations barely happen. More cases go unreported every year, than false accusations
What an absolutely incredible woman. She's done so much good in her life.
Kate, you were and are brave beyond most people's ability or comprehension. There is no doubt your quick thinking and actions, saved many lives.
This was a terrifying time in Perth, we couldn’t believe it was happening. The youngest victim, Sue Candy, was my fathers friends daughter. It was horrible. David Birnie killed himself in prison. Catherine Birnie was considered for parole but eventually laws were changed and her file has been marked ‘never to be released’.
Oh that’s awful. ❤
I’m so sorry about young Sue and all of them. May they rest in eternal peace. ❤🙏🏼
I was a little girl in Los Angeles when Richard Ramirez was terrorizing the area so I can relate to some extent. To this day my older brothers swear they saw him lurking outside our neighbors house. He was captured about 20 minutes from where we lived six or seven weeks later.
@ascent I love how shocked Richard Ramirez was that “his own people” were hunting him down despite raping another Latina woman. He wouldn’t have been caught without the residents of East LA!
I live in Perth & my husband & I ran a deli in the outer Fremantle area, close to where the Birnies lived & carried out their crimes. Kate ran hurt & naked into a little neighbourhood business. 17yrs old!!! Laura Hancock is a hero & shame on the other cops who disrespected & disbelieved her & Kate. The Birnies were true evil. So much more to their story. Living through that time & seeing them ‘performing grotesquely’ in the papers & on the news every day (no social media in those days) was chilling. Catherine Birnie is a mother who left her ‘7’ kids to be with David & rape, torture & murder…next level evil. Their spree & the Claremont killings in the ‘90’s really left an indelible scar on Perth. Many of us knew family members & friends of the victims & as a community supported & shared the horror & grief with the families living through those scary,terrible times. To lose a child in this way is incomprehensible.
Well written & expressed comment, thanks for posting.
What a truly evil couple.
So much sympathy for the girls families 😢
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 Thank you so much for your response. Much appreciated.
@@sixthsenseamelia4695 I have just read a comment from you elsewhere & am being very presumptuous assuming you’re Kiwi!!! Kia ora…I live in WA but was born & raised in Wellington, most of my family have Taranaki roots. I’m a Kiwi-roo😂. It really feeds my soul when people take the time to comment positively to me, I hope that I can do likewise. To brighten someone’s day with a couple of words is awesome to me. Too many people choose only to be cruel & nasty. Not my style. Even though I’m a huge true crime buff & watch LOTS of it, in my world kindness & positivity rule. All the very best to you & yours, hope you have a wonderful day.😊👍🏻
19:10 THIS IS NOT OK! life in jail should mean LIFE IN JAIL! screw the appeals and making the victims BEG the courts to keep these sick pedos behind bars! they ruined lives so they should have to give their whole damn life
His info was wrong a few times in this video. She went up for parole once, was denied and was marked as never to be released. She will never be eligible for parole again
Agree. Life for life
No parole
@mfi-cf7sp, I agree with you! Furthermore, Mr. & Mrs. Birnie will eventually face justice as they BURN FOREVER IN THE FIRES OF HELL!
What a trooper. Leaving items behind, thinking of others, running away after such an ordeal.
Going through all that Kate went through had to require an insane level of strength to keep going. I am glad she got away and got those bad people behind bars.
She isn't the first to do that by the way there was another rape victim just like her the girl was a lot younger and she managed to survive by making sure that she left bits of toys and other things that her captors had around the place so that would be no question if anything happened to her that there would be evidence that she'd been there. She too made a run for it but she got lucky and neighbor got her come in and he called the cops, the rest is history.
Given how easy it would have been to check out the couple to see if their home matched Kate's description, it is incredible how the police did nothing initially.
All I can think about is how law enforcement, worldwide, is just filled with either low IQ individuals, criminals, and corruption. The bar needs to be significantly raised for people in positions of power.
Well, keep shitting on them every time some career criminal gets killed. (USA 2020). That should bring in high calibre recruits. 🙄. Liberals.
Considering hair stylists go to school longer than cops, it totally makes sense.
@@catandrobbyflores sign up, tough guy. 😂😂. Spineless turd.
Corrupt and MALE
DO YOU NOT SEE ONLY A WOMAN BELIEVED HER. !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think the force attracts a lot of people interested in the position of power it puts them in. But there are so many really good cops and investigators. It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole bunch.
A chance at parole every 3yrs after serving 20--and 30 is the longest term served by a female inmate??? Wow...Australia is SOFT on these criminals 😮
White Australia is made of decendants of hardened ex cons from England. The were shipped there after the prisons over flowed. That must explain your observation.
Same in the UK. The Parole Board has not a thought for the victims and their families. Obviously feel sorry for evil Monsters.
Notice how you have to murder three or more not to be eligible for parole. So that if you rape and murder just two kids you can still get parole. I will never understand why people try so hard to be nice to these scumbags.
the USA is just harder than normal countries. The USA is in the same category as Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, all those lovely countries
They’ll never get out despite illegibility. Australia despises this pair!
Having to relive your trauma every three years is cruel. Anyone would have PTSD. They need to reform the law.
They did after she wrote her book. Watch it again.
Pay attention next time you watch a video please. I’m fed up with people making asinine comments about an already resolved issue. Attention span of a moth it appears.
@@mandywalkden-brown7250😅😅😅you're such a jerk 😂😂😂
@@mandywalkden-brown7250and I’m tired of ppl being rude but here you are 🤷🏽
@memedemon6273 Its RUDE to not listen to a very important story, and then politically go off about the law and reforms needed etc when it's literally right in the video.
People are rightfully becoming less patient as the years go on,
as we see the sheep getting worse and worse with their listening+ critical thinking skills, and then this is how the rest of us are stuck on the receiving end of living under terrible politicians who pass shitty tyrannical laws and buried under economic inflation and drafted in wars that we have no buisness being in!!!
PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION
This is such a rebuke the the idea that experience is everything. Those experienced cops were so judgemental, cold, and cynical that they didn't believe this young victim. It took an inexperienced cop who was still in touch with their own empathy, who didn't have it stamped out of them, to hear what she had to say and know that she was telling the truth
So let me get this straight : the girl knocked on every door in the neighborhood and no one was home yet the neighbor when asked by the news and police gave a detailed description of everything even the way the girl jumped out of the window
Omg that tells me they might have known about the other girls and didn't even bother helping them
I wouldn't be surprised but considering I wouldn't have been surprised but considering she's an old lady they probably wouldn't have believed her either would they, and she was probably just as afraid of being accused of making a false complaint or worse than finding out that she saw things then they'd come after her, when you are an old person you tend to think of do I do something about this or do I keep my mouth shut and stay alive, my guess is she chose the latter.
I love the care and respect you give these survivors and their stories. Best true crime channel I've found.
It should honestly be that if you murder people you should never get out of prison...
It's baffling why these murderers are given chances over and over again when they themselves didn't give their victims a chance. I guess things would be way different if these lawmakers, lawyers, and judges have had loved ones murdered too.
@@iagreewithyou3478, I totally agree with you!
My partner and I were just talking about that last night, how if we had committed some horrible crime 20 some years ago how we would be so much better off right now bc it seems like the more severe crime you commit the more help you'll get when you get out of prison.
I TOTALLY agree with you . I live in the UK and am constantly horrified by the lenient sentences by the judicial system. Not just for murder , but ALL types of crime and I wholeheartedly believe that the USA has it right ! In the UK , it seems to me that the laws are designed to protect the perpetrator, rather than the victim . Have a great day Alaryicjude !
As in the death sentence,an eye for an eye & to think that woman murderer is out,no justice .
It's a disgrace that it's left to the people to make sure this monster never gets out.
Ok, why people can't say rape anymore. What an idiocracy we live in.
the RUclips algorithm will hide videos with words like that, sometimes even swearwords, so if creators want to stay visible, unfortunately they censor those words
@@wiebki yes, but someone set it this way
Yeah it’s stupid, but comments will even get deleted or hidden if said. It’s like people going around calling suicide “self deleting”
As if by censoring the word you can delete the horror. Our overlords are certifiably twisted.
Comments are missing your point 🤦♀️ I totally agree
Kate is amazing. What a force of nature she is! ❤️
How insane!? A near naked girl with injuries knocks on a strangers door and the first thing police think is that she’s lying? Those cops should have been fired.
Kate is a legend!! What a story. I live in WA. I had never heard of this before. Do NOT ever get in a car with people you don't know, please.
I can't imagine the strength and resolve this woman had at 17. Also the fact that they actually pulled into her driveway is torture. To know that you were right there and then your life changed forever.
I was surprised that she let these people drive her home but wouldn't just let her friend take her home.
@@Carmen-us1ew When you are young you don't think that anything will happen. It's a nice night I can walk it will be fine. Then my friend can go home because she's already gone so far out of her way.
I live in Perth too and I’ve met Kate. I think she was in the gifted and talented program at her school. Hiding evidence to prove she had been in their house was genius.
You must be under 30 then?
Why did that lady who witnessed the girl running down the street not call the police straight away? 🤬
Yes why wouldnt you ring police???
I know right? Like you're seeing this happening this and you're not a kid to put two and two together so why not call the cops even if is nothing was wrong it would've been safer then sorry.
They must have passed themselves off as decent members of the community, who’d have known this teen was abducted rather than just some kid that had been out drinking and partying too hard 🤷♀️ You don’t expect serial killers to live in your midst
Or they also had something to hide 🤔 maybe 🙊🙉🙈
So the idiot neighbor woman SAW HER jump out the window nearly naked and run down the street and DIDN'T CALL THE POLICE?!
Makes you wonder what else she saw that she should have reported? She lived opposite the vile monsters
The neighbor ABSOLUTELY did nothing.
Sadly, even with the short life I’ve lived - I’ve met people who turned a blind eye to all sorts of sexual crimes and that’s just in my own experience. Grown men in relationships with underaged girls, child pornography, domestic violence, revenge porn, abuse, etc. men and woman alike. Old and young.
I met a woman once who blamed a 14 year old girl for sending explicit pictures of herself to a man online. She was a grooming victim. The mother of the man said it was the girls fault and she was a stupid little girl, and since her son didn’t touch the girl technically, he did nothing wrong.
I’ve seen friends of MINE turn a blind eye to sexual crimes and abuse of all sorts of natures throughout my life and I’m not even that old. From covering up for others to lying, to cases of actual crimes being committed that people just shrug their shoulders and look away from.
You literally can’t trust anybody in this world. There are good people out there but the reason these people get away with what they do, are the people who say nothing. People like that are like a disease. They don’t lift a finger to hurt another but neither do they to help. And there are millions of people like this out here who genuinely think it just ‘doesn’t concern them.’ Humans are just wicked and awful.
You do a good job, every story is riveting because you do not waste time and provide the facts. I have to stop watching or I would never stop and end up binge watching. I have watch such narratives where the stories are stretched to make them more interesting and lose me instead.
I hope Catherine knows that Kate will outlive her, the same girl who outsmarted her, the same girl who changed the system.
I remember when this was all going on. A lot of young girls who had gone missing and where never found are thought to have been victims of the Birnies. I remember my mum drilling it into my sister's head, never EVER get into a stranger's car because of this.
I was around her age and living in perth during this period, and it was scary as hell. I always amazed at her bravery, I’m not sure if I could’ve been so brave. Clever lady, incredible
Wtf "sounds like a lie , stitch her up with false reporting " (that she stripped down and ran into the streets to make) this cop has tunnel vision and didn't even talk to the victim) So glad that this case went to the rookie ,
should have said "stitch the supervisor up with a false arrest ." Almost missing a huge case which undoubtedly would have caused more murders. Should be fired blinded by tunnel vision , because it "sounded" unbelievable .Crimes are crazy sounding and unbelievable. To be a good cop you've got to be able to SEE this, not arrest the victim because you don't like the crime that's been committed against her. Cause more trauma to someone who just barely escaped her own death, and wants justice for other deaths, and to stop further deaths.
Exactly! Let's just say it. Many cops, especially the so-called long-service senior ones, are just too damn LAZY. Not only that but they also think nothing of bringing their PERSONAL viewpoint, not their PROFESSIONAL assessment, into their work. WE are paying them, for godsakes! THis is police incompetence, misconduct, malfeasance AND nonfeasance. If I were Kate, I would SO sue that police department and the officers involved in the handling of her case. And I'd ask for a million dollars at least.
The tunnel vision is caused by the filter of sexism. It makes people blind to the truth. But also the culture at the time was 1) lazy 2)that sex crimes were gross, and beneath the profession of policing, which was to car chase and catch banks robbers like in comic books minus the capes.
How this could have went if they didn't ignore his unvetted unprofessional opinion.
The young cop with her first official job catching two serial killers. reminds me of silence of the lambs.
Two absolutely amazing women! So strong and so courageous. I'm crying with the emotion of it all.
What a strong alert woman you are Katherin. You survived and saved so many others from these monsters grasp. What a wonderful soul here suffering to save and give service to others. God bless you dear one, may you have a future of happiness and peace now.💜🙏🏻
The absolute incompetence of those police officers.
The reply about this type of thing not being illegal tells you all you want to know about attitudes of men and police in W Australia. As someone who has lived here since 1950s misogynist attitudes prevail to this day.
I was kept for 5 months against my will. My captor was never even confronted because Lexington Kentucky police didn't believe me. "What proof do you have?" And "that's a serious accusation you have" was the response. What a disgrace. I almost died the day I left and my monster never got a slap on the wrist.
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Im so sorry to hear that. Thats so wrong you weren’t believed.
Im glad you got away and sending you love and best wishes from New Zealand. Xx
Whoa
Yep, some people have incredible conceit that their wild guess as to whether someone's being truthful or not is infallibly accurate.
The Birnies are vile. Truly demented. There was a movie about them, "The Hounds of Love" I think it's called. That's when I saw what a courageous hero Kate is! I didn't realize the cops were so unhelpful. She's extra heroic for not giving up! 🏆
I’m so glad Kate had herself together as a very intelligent young lady at the time of her ordeal & was able to work out an escape plan to free herself for these evil people & also for the police woman Annette who believed in her & taking matters further to help capture these two evil people so no one else ever had to go through this ordeal … You are both hero’s
How many times does Sergeant did this to a victim and they did not get justice???? and then they turned around and had him investigate the case instead of firing him because I know if I make a mistake like that at my job, I wouldn’t have a job
Kate is a hero. Those critters destroyed so many families, R.I.P to the victims and there loved ones. Davids daughter got sterilised as she was scared to have a child like him.
That just shows that she was nothing like him and wouldn’t have
Fred Wests children are normal and not criminals.
@@M_SCAgree
@@Tawadeb I think its more what he did to her, evil, she seems pretty together, just badly effected by what her father did. He destroyed so many lives.
was so scared when they said she had a concussion after escaping, thought she wouldn't make it but man does she make it. I don't know her and I am proud of her. what resolve. both of these women deserve a standing ovation.
Judging by the title, it didn't end up tragically
I have lived in Perth my whole life and through the Bernies reign of terror, how the Police initially doubted her is bewildering, I met Kate many years later, she is an amazing woman that saved many lives, I also had an encounter with Catherine in the 90's when I was a contractor and the ladies prison, we knew she had walked into the room just by the feeling that washed over us, she was pure evil. David was raping and assaulting women from when he was 13yrs old, I know people that knew him then, he was never charged with those crimes because of who the victims were the police didn't care, he was given a beating by others that knew what he had done at the time.
This woman not only escaped survived helped to fimd the house, where she hid things to prove she didnt run off incase she died but also befriended a person enough to not be chained. Concussed herself getting out. But then relived her story every 3 years just to keep the woman in jail, and then wrote a book about it AND helped change the justice system aswell. This woman is probably the STRONGEST woman ever emotionally and mentally going through that and repeatedly going back and thwn writing a book about it had to have been hard, i suppose thereputic in a way aswell because she wasnt bottling it up instead sharing it which helps not only herself but countless others who have been through similar. Shes a true hero
I can't believe that supervisor was so stupid to not believe that girl. How pathetic.
Kate is an absolute hero. What a brave incredible woman.
What a truly brave woman Kate Moir was and is in every sense of the word. I was born in Perth and lived here all my life. I was 20 years old at the time of these murders so most of the girls were around my age, I even worked with Denise Brown's sister at the time she went missing. This was a shocking period in Perth's history and many of us girls were warned by our parents to be extra vigilant. Palmyra was only two suburbs away from my home. We followed this case intensely because it was so unheard of for sleepy little Perth and it terrified us, and our hearts broke for those poor women because Perth really was like one big family back then. Kate Moir literally saved the lives of countless other girls, she is a very special person and I pray that she has some sort of peace in her heart nowadays. Her profound level headedness and extreme bravery during such an horrific ordeal deserve so much recognition. What absolutely defies belief is the male police's attitude to Kate and also the other missing girls. Perth really was a very patriarchal, sexist and misogynistic place back then, and women were often treated as second class citizens. Indeed, when police were called out to "domestic violence" incidents their policy was to "never get involved in domestic disagreements between a husband and his wife", so they pretty much always never took it any further which just gave the abusive man a free licence to beat his wife up any time he wanted to and get away with it. It literally was only due to the dedication and instinct of this wonderful police woman together with the indescribable strength and bravery of Kate Moir, that the matter was ever investigated and the vile evil Birnies charged and convicted. Hopefully things have changed alot in law enforcement since then, somehow I don't think so.
Good on Kate for being so strong-minded to plant evidence of herself being there, and her determination to live. It’s a shame she’s had to relive it every 3 yrs, but she has continued to be strong.💛💪🏼
Errr.... Both were sentenced to life without parole and years later, Katherine was eligible for parole.
How does that work?.....
Yesterday, I was talking to someone whose daughter is in the same prison as Katherine. She said that the other inmates call her "Nanna"... fucking disturbing. Great video as usual.
Makes one wonder how long it would have taken & how many victims, before LE would have caught on, without Kate’s knowledge.
Makes me wonder how many terrible crimes remain unpunished. Inexcusable.
Something very similar happened to me in 1986. He wasn't a serial killer, but still a monster. The police wouldn't listen. They didn't care. I was ignored and am still ignored to this day. The man who actually kidnapped me and raped and tortured me was given a very reduced sentence and served only 3 mos in county jail. His buddy, the one who stayed with me when the main guy left, was given 7 years. Me? I was arrested because it took me having to break the law in front of the police to get arrested so I could get away from my kidnapper because 1 officer literally drove off and left me standing on the sidewalk when I had slipped around the corner from the kidnapper. He said I wasn't reacting like I'd been kidnapped. What? The next 2 said I was "just trying to get out of the charges." They got it SO, so wrong. So wrong.
That's horrific. We need to start over with law enforcement. 🤦
Bloody shocking behaviour of some cops. So sad that happened to you. Love and peace to you ❤
@@sharonthompson672 Those cops are retired now.
@@Sweepee-v2v Those cops are retired now.
Thats so shocking.
3 months for that??
He should have got life
Kate is one very very strong and smart lady. I hope she heals. Huge respect to her.
I'm not surprised really. I thought Perth was a hick town and everyone was so unprofessional. It's an isolated place that perhaps just makes the people there apathetic.
i love the amount of real footage this channel uses. others tend to use many stock videos
So the neighbor seen her break out the window and run down the street but didn't call the police or try to run after her to help her?
But was more than happy to get her camera time...
@TheDendra7 yep. I can't believe more people didn't catch on to that.
Like did she even call the police and tell them there's a crazy naked people running down the damn street after breaking breaking a windows and climbing out of it .
Yes youd think shed ring the police
Wonder what else she saw at that house that she should have reported??
So sadly typical. Had it occurred in these days, the fool would've had his/her phone out, recording for TikTok!
@joanodom2104 she could have called the police from her damn house or something. She straight up watched this poor girl break out of a fucking window and take off down the road running... this lady shouldn't have even shown her face. Like no excuse . None
I get sooo excited whenever you post a new video. Thank you for such high quality content that I feel I could find on Investigation Discovery lol- but way more captivating! Thank you for telling these victim’s stories.
I’m from Perth and the same age as Kate. Best thing was when David Burnie was up for release he sadly “committed suicide” while still on the inside. They were pure evil.
These two women are such keepers: Clever, Determined, Spunky, Brave, and just all around likable gals. You are both mega-inspirational!
I genuinely can't think of anything more horrific to go through, than this. God help those poor girls 😢
The legal system all over the world baffles me. If someone has killed ONE person deliberately for their own gratification, they should NEVER be allowed an opportunity to do it again. Yes, there are circumstances like stupid young teens getting involved in gangs & being too scared to stand up to peer pressure, who should be given a second chance after rehabilitation. But serial killers or parents who execute their children are not in that category.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
What a very brave lady and I am glad her life was spared . Those two serial killers are monsters and don’t deserve to have a life . RIP to all those innocent victims that were murdered by those two psychopaths .
Moir and Hanckok are amazing women. Their goodness, kindness and strength is the stark opposite of birnie's evil.
One of my friends lived next door to them!! I remember being at my friends house, and we would see them staring at us constantly!!