congrats for the tiger tiger, thank you very much for the sharpening tips, best ive found so far and thank you both for this, great info. 3k woven is stiffest ive found so far, lookin forward to find new pack of 8.8 instead of 8.7
Switched from a rage Trypan to the 200g cutthroat bc of your videos... accelerating the learning curve for all of us! Let's solve the issues based on others failures before we suffer the same fate!
Glad to see this. Y'all should work more with Troy and do some crossbow arrow building and testing. Also shoot some pigs. Love to see comparison of slow crossbow penetration vs fast compound (so the speeds are close) to see what the short, fat, stiff bolt does vs the long, bendier, skinny arrow. I just picked up a 6ish year old Excalibur recurve xbow with 305 max fps, so I am really curious about building the most efficient arrow for it. It is my new tinker toy. Got a bunch of stock arrows (Firebolts which I think are Eastons), but I want to try an XX75 2219 since it is 13.4(?) GPI for a heavy, cheapish, really straight build (plus the Easton stuff is US made, so it gives me the warm fuzzies). Loved the conversation.
Switched from the 100grain Rage Crossbow Xtreme 2" that I was shooting last year, to a 150grain Magnus Stinger 2 blade this year. 500grains total and 22.5% FOC. Our whitetail season opens in 7 days. I am stoked to see the results.
@@kevinmartin2096 worked great, took the only deer I shot at. Made a marginal hit. Deer jump the string a little and I ended up hitting high and back, but took out the upper rear lobes of both lungs. Not much blood, but I saw where the deer went. Dead within 80yds.
Great video!! I can't believe how great the dust is!!!! Shot my first deer last year with a adult arrow. Magus buzzcut went through like butter she ran 60 yards and died, I thought I missed her to she didn't act like she was hit. Keep up the great video's!!💯💯💯👍👍
good stuff! xbow food for thought. my only gripe with fixed heads for xbows is having affordable/workable broadhead mediums/targets to work with. my first xbow was a parker years ago and it shot standard 400 gr arrow at about 295 fps....bh'ds would go through double stacked bh targets at 20 yds like butter....lost, for good, arrows into/under grass in backyard and so forth. didn't really like mechanicals that much in my compound days with poor bloodtrails using 58 gr rockets/matthews feather max 62#, but after loosing a big doe i wacked with the parker and a 100gr montec, i said forget it and went to big 100gr mechanicals. setup so much less trouble/expense and even then, 400 gr total arrow blew through everything on four legs,so foot pounds of energy not exactly a worry with these modern xbows. my even faster ki bows are plenty mean enough with a big hole to boot!!!!
Troy you are correct. I got a raven R20 and got cheap swackers. I lost 5 does..... This crap ends now! I ordered some 150 grain magness single bevels. Now what else do I need to do to my bolt? Or just shoot it n sharpen?? Thanks Troy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with bullets, slow moving heavy bullets penetrate the furthest! Is it the same with crossbow bolts and compound bow arrows?? I Think So!
I don't actually know, because it is an apples an oranges thing. In rifles, you can do whatever you want. So do you really think a fast moving hardened bullet out of a 50 BMG, with a streamlines shape will penetrate less than a slow moving 45-70? I don't think so. So how about we say you have to use only the same amount of powder to push it. Well you can't generally make that comparison, because a maxed out 45-70, or 458 win mag is going to burn a lot more powder than you can stuff in a fast mover. But tons of elephants, were shot with the 6.5x55, and certainly the 7x57. The only issue was whether the bullets would hold together, so the 7x57 took over from the 6.5, it was too skinny. So do faster moving bullets lack penetration on the highest challenge there is of 18 inches of skull? No. You could use a 300 win mag, but the blast and recoil don't get you more penetration. Archery is different you have only so much power in the limbs, so heavier arrows milk out more power, up to a point. Penetration is all that maters there is no hydro shock, to speak of.
@@HondoTrailside Good points, Hondo! 50 cal has slowed quite a bit, by the time it gets to its target, hence good penetration. shot at close distance, it probably would open up just as fast as a smaller projectile, shot at high speed....only a lot more destructive because of mass. I doubt arrows have any hydroshock value! Lol! 6-700 grain arrows keep on truckin', and break bones on the way through. Pretty sure 6-700 grain bullets do the same, especially if they are solids. Not too sure speed effects penetration on solids. it's when if they open up, they start slowing down. I know for a fact that a 405 grain 45-70 lead bullet will fly through a 55 gallon steel drum, full of water,and come out the other side, making a four inch hole, and keep on going. That is with a full case of black powder. that to me is impressive....and that was figured out, back in the early days. Blessings!
Bullets are never really slow moving but yeah FMJ penetrate while hollow impact. Arrows and bolts rely solely on cutting and bleeding you need a pass through.
A heavy arrow makes a quieter bow. Crossbows are exceptionally loud, but I am looking to build 750+ grain, 20" bolt. The foc, while outrageous, I'm looking to eliminate that loud pop sound from the string and I think it will.
So I'm running a 558gr total arrow weight, and want to switch to a single bevel solid head. My question is simple, but how far away are you from the paper when nock tuning? I had a very bad experience with some annihilator heads that were crazy off the mark. I want to make sure whatever head I choose has the best chance to fly right on the initial tests. Thank you so much for the content, I love the videos, and can't wait to get my setup tuned and slinging some heavy FOC sticks down range.
I'm shooting a stock Piledriver with a 150 Cutthroat coming in at 492 grains at 324 fps. I think my FOC is about 10-15%. I'm hesitant to have to re-engineer my bolt setup (especially since they fly well), but I don't want to run an inferior setup either. Is this an acceptable weight/FOC or should I change my setup?
Question: If you shoot a three arrow group and one arrow hits exactly where you are aiming and the other two hit rite beside each other 2 inches to the right, is the one that hit where you were aiming on target and the other two are off, or is the two that hit beside each other on target and the one is off? Meaning you need to move the reticle a few clicks to the left. This happened to me earlier and I'm trying to figure out which arrows are off. Two inches off is ok at 20yrds but at 40 it could turn into 4 inches and result in a bad shot. What are your thoughts??
Check out Ep. 1 of the podcast, I explain how we paper tuned our bolts. The “Ranch Fairy Crossbow Bolt Tuning” videos I did also show how we did it. Hope those help, if you still have more questions let me know!
Set my crossbow up with this system. Really easy for bolts. Had a deer turn on a long shot last year. Hit him in the butt and the broadhead made it to the back of his lung. He went 50 yards. I watched him fall and die in a few min. Incredible.
Some 20 inch bolts with single point broadheads will contact the bow on firing. 22 inch avoids all that. 22 inch may mean a little more concentration on where your point is if you are on the ground but for me I don't even notice.
17:04 really? I wonder if there is a limit tho. Like, I don’t think you could shoot a 30 inch crossbow bolt. The flight would seem to be too erratic. Much less the spine would be too weak for the pressure. What do you think?
I’ve had great success with 100 grain Allen 3 blade bran. They fly straight and penetrate good pass through most every time. At 9 dollars a pack of 3 it sure beats paying 20 to 40 for a mechanical’s
Arrows! Modern hunting crossbows shoot arrows. Let's standardize on the one thing that unites crossbows with vertical bows, in that we all shoot arrows.
@@chrisruzsa2798 research what a bolt truly is, modern crossbow don't shoot bolts actually even though the term still carries with crossbow terminology the modern crossbow shoot 20 -22 inch arrows ... a bolt is actually like a bolt 🔩
@@cray-z7404 false. Bolt term comes from the Germanic word bolt which means projectile shot from a string. England adopted the word to differentiate between arrows and bolts short arrows. What people call bolts are Quills, quails, Qurrels which all mean short bolts. Bolt is anything shorter and fatter than a full length skinny arrow. The fact that they are vaned or fletched does not determine what it is. They were always vaned even in the middle ages.
Thinking of going with a gold tip nitro and a 100grain fixed blade,or 125grain fixed blade. Would put me right at about 500-525 and wanna hunt 40 yards and in
Nice! Just remember, most bolts advertise weights WITH a 100 grain field point. Double check how Gold tip advertises their weights if 500+ grains is your target.
@@draggindeeroutdoors yeah I don't have the exact numbers on hand but I've been able to shoot up to 650 7:30 under 40 yards though anything after 40 it would start walking around too much no matter how I tune the arrow bolt whatever you want to call it
But I don't think anytime in my honey life I have ever had to shoot over 40 almost all of my shots LP deer have been under 40 mainly in that sweet spot 20 to 30
I was watching something else on your post about broken limbs I know Tyree and myself have talked a lot about it I've had my boss 405 for almost 3 years shooting the same limbs was able to get a extra set of limbs which I never use have been shooting 500 plus green arrows from day one maybe I'm just lucky I just sold it picked up a new PSE bow compound thinking about changing over to Excalibur on the crossbow side not sure if I want to buy one of the new KI's
Has anyone tried the QAD Exodus crossbow broadhead out of your crossbow? If so how do they fly compare to your field tips and how is the penetration?. I have a Ravin R10.
I shoot full metal jackets 340 spine 460 grains. At 60 pounds. Wt fixed blade broadheads NAP HELLRAZOR. They are steel heads Ihave had great success wt that set up. I have perfect arrow flight. And pass through on any big game animal shoot.
That thing about the lady who shot the nilgai....... I shot a big cow elk once hit her quartering away, with a fifty eight lb recurve, 725 gr bamboo shaft footed with black locust insert, two blade single bevel broadhead, etc. As best I could tell I had forty two inches of penetration, AND THEN that arrow broke the off-side shoulder on its way out.
The guys who invented this stuff, are aging out of trad archery at this point. They are dropping down to 30 lbs bows that shoot 300 grain arrows, at 160 fps. Big difference than 600 grain arrows at 400 fps. So it is pretty hard to see much necessary upside to optimizing the gear for a crossgun, no downside though. I would do it.
All these teachings came from from traditional archers. You look at the people who revolutionized modern arrows, and they were all longbow shooters. And I don't mean they were not shooting compounds, certainly not crossguns, they were shooting actual longbows. Elburg, and Ashby, predominantly. Makes sense you don't have as much energy to play with. You put this stuff in a crossgun, and it is going zip.
Gentlemen, you sure khow the trade! I just can't express my gratitude for all this shared knowledge. Thank you, thank you much! 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the kind words. RF is the mastermind, not me! Happy hunting!
Solid!
16.5 inch BEE’s with 110g brass up front.
Micro 355 Excalibur.
Load up the nose and kill EVERYTHING!!🤣😂
Love Ranch Fairy. Shot two since switching to high FOC. Watched both deer fall. One a sweet large 9pt.
Gotta love the Fairy Dust ;)
All I can say is: Thank You Ranch Fairy, for all of your teachings!
Top Notch!
Christ Bless!
congrats for the tiger tiger, thank you very much for the sharpening tips, best ive found so far and thank you both for this, great info. 3k woven is stiffest ive found so far, lookin forward to find new pack of 8.8 instead of 8.7
My barnett shoots a 624 grain bolt at 311-312 fps and I use a 200 grain single bevel head👍
Great setup! 👍
So glad I found this! Just getting back into hunting deer and picked a crossbow to do it with. You guys have answered a ton of questions for me.
Awesome, Ken. Good luck this fall. Glad you enjoyed the interview!
This was an absolutely fabulous conversation!!
Thank you, Ron! Glad you enjoyed it.
Switched from a rage Trypan to the 200g cutthroat bc of your videos... accelerating the learning curve for all of us! Let's solve the issues based on others failures before we suffer the same fate!
Cutthroat is a sweet head, good luck this season 👍
Glad to see this. Y'all should work more with Troy and do some crossbow arrow building and testing. Also shoot some pigs. Love to see comparison of slow crossbow penetration vs fast compound (so the speeds are close) to see what the short, fat, stiff bolt does vs the long, bendier, skinny arrow.
I just picked up a 6ish year old Excalibur recurve xbow with 305 max fps, so I am really curious about building the most efficient arrow for it. It is my new tinker toy. Got a bunch of stock arrows (Firebolts which I think are Eastons), but I want to try an XX75 2219 since it is 13.4(?) GPI for a heavy, cheapish, really straight build (plus the Easton stuff is US made, so it gives me the warm fuzzies). Loved the conversation.
Thank you, Rando! Glad you liked it!
Switched from the 100grain Rage Crossbow Xtreme 2" that I was shooting last year, to a 150grain Magnus Stinger 2 blade this year. 500grains total and 22.5% FOC. Our whitetail season opens in 7 days. I am stoked to see the results.
Love the setup. Good luck this fall!
So how did it go
@@kevinmartin2096 worked great, took the only deer I shot at. Made a marginal hit. Deer jump the string a little and I ended up hitting high and back, but took out the upper rear lobes of both lungs. Not much blood, but I saw where the deer went. Dead within 80yds.
My second time watching this interview it make so much sence in so many ways! Great Interview!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video!! I can't believe how great the dust is!!!! Shot my first deer last year with a adult arrow. Magus buzzcut went through like butter she ran 60 yards and died, I thought I missed her to she didn't act like she was hit. Keep up the great video's!!💯💯💯👍👍
That’s awesome, John! Congrats on your deer. Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video/podcast!
Great info guys! I will be applying this when I get my crossbow.
Thanks, JK!
Awesomeness. Switching to crossbow due to a wrist injury this year. Great info.
Glad you liked it! Good luck and welcome to the crossbow world!
Very helpful translating the Ashby philosophy into xbows.
Glad ya liked it!!
Great interview!
Thank you!!
I've been shooting carbon express maxima hunter with 375 grain tuffheads. They're 30% foc.
good stuff! xbow food for thought. my only gripe with fixed heads for xbows is having affordable/workable broadhead mediums/targets to work with. my first xbow was a parker years ago and it shot standard 400 gr arrow at about 295 fps....bh'ds would go through double stacked bh targets at 20 yds like butter....lost, for good, arrows into/under grass in backyard and so forth. didn't really like mechanicals that much in my compound days with poor bloodtrails using 58 gr rockets/matthews feather max 62#, but after loosing a big doe i wacked with the parker and a 100gr montec, i said forget it and went to big 100gr mechanicals. setup so much less trouble/expense and even then, 400 gr total arrow blew through everything on four legs,so foot pounds of energy not exactly a worry with these modern xbows. my even faster ki bows are plenty mean enough with a big hole to boot!!!!
Shoot whatever you’re confident in.
Troy you are correct. I got a raven R20 and got cheap swackers. I lost 5 does..... This crap ends now! I ordered some 150 grain magness single bevels. Now what else do I need to do to my bolt? Or just shoot it n sharpen?? Thanks Troy.
Great broadhead choice! Highly recommend nock tuning your arrows and sorting them… hunting arrows vs practice arrows!
@@draggindeeroutdoors so nock tune with the broadheads and with paper then?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with bullets, slow moving heavy bullets penetrate the furthest!
Is it the same with crossbow bolts and compound bow arrows??
I Think So!
I think so too!
I don't actually know, because it is an apples an oranges thing. In rifles, you can do whatever you want. So do you really think a fast moving hardened bullet out of a 50 BMG, with a streamlines shape will penetrate less than a slow moving 45-70? I don't think so.
So how about we say you have to use only the same amount of powder to push it. Well you can't generally make that comparison, because a maxed out 45-70, or 458 win mag is going to burn a lot more powder than you can stuff in a fast mover. But tons of elephants, were shot with the 6.5x55, and certainly the 7x57. The only issue was whether the bullets would hold together, so the 7x57 took over from the 6.5, it was too skinny. So do faster moving bullets lack penetration on the highest challenge there is of 18 inches of skull? No. You could use a 300 win mag, but the blast and recoil don't get you more penetration.
Archery is different you have only so much power in the limbs, so heavier arrows milk out more power, up to a point. Penetration is all that maters there is no hydro shock, to speak of.
@@HondoTrailside Good points, Hondo!
50 cal has slowed quite a bit, by the time it gets to its target, hence good penetration. shot at close distance, it probably would open up just as fast as a smaller projectile, shot at high speed....only a lot more destructive because of mass.
I doubt arrows have any hydroshock value! Lol!
6-700 grain arrows keep on truckin', and break bones on the way through. Pretty sure 6-700 grain bullets do the same, especially if they are solids.
Not too sure speed effects penetration on solids. it's when if they open up, they start slowing down. I know for a fact that a 405 grain 45-70 lead bullet will fly through a 55 gallon steel drum, full of water,and come out the other side, making a four inch hole, and keep on going. That is with a full case of black powder.
that to me is impressive....and that was figured out, back in the early days.
Blessings!
Bullets are never really slow moving but yeah FMJ penetrate while hollow impact. Arrows and bolts rely solely on cutting and bleeding you need a pass through.
Yes!👍🏻
A heavy arrow makes a quieter bow. Crossbows are exceptionally loud, but I am looking to build 750+ grain, 20" bolt. The foc, while outrageous, I'm looking to eliminate that loud pop sound from the string and I think it will.
That’ll be a sweet setup! 👍
So I'm running a 558gr total arrow weight, and want to switch to a single bevel solid head. My question is simple, but how far away are you from the paper when nock tuning? I had a very bad experience with some annihilator heads that were crazy off the mark. I want to make sure whatever head I choose has the best chance to fly right on the initial tests. Thank you so much for the content, I love the videos, and can't wait to get my setup tuned and slinging some heavy FOC sticks down range.
Thanks Adam! Paper @ 5 ish yards, and make sure your arrow has enough room to completely pass thru the paper before hitting the target! Good luck 👍👍
Grab the fairy dust and throw out the flappers 😂😂😂
🤘🤘
Also shooting heavier bolts helped quiet my x- bow more than limb saver silencers did.
I'm shooting a stock Piledriver with a 150 Cutthroat coming in at 492 grains at 324 fps. I think my FOC is about 10-15%. I'm hesitant to have to re-engineer my bolt setup (especially since they fly well), but I don't want to run an inferior setup either. Is this an acceptable weight/FOC or should I change my setup?
If that setup flies true I wouldn’t change it!
Question: If you shoot a three arrow group and one arrow hits exactly where you are aiming and the other two hit rite beside each other 2 inches to the right, is the one that hit where you were aiming on target and the other two are off, or is the two that hit beside each other on target and the one is off? Meaning you need to move the reticle a few clicks to the left. This happened to me earlier and I'm trying to figure out which arrows are off. Two inches off is ok at 20yrds but at 40 it could turn into 4 inches and result in a bad shot. What are your thoughts??
Thanks for this awesome video, quick question though should I nock tune my bolts first or find the right tip weight first?
Check out Ep. 1 of the podcast, I explain how we paper tuned our bolts. The “Ranch Fairy Crossbow Bolt Tuning” videos I did also show how we did it. Hope those help, if you still have more questions let me know!
Set my crossbow up with this system. Really easy for bolts. Had a deer turn on a long shot last year. Hit him in the butt and the broadhead made it to the back of his lung. He went 50 yards. I watched him fall and die in a few min. Incredible.
That the definition of a "Plan B" arrow right there!
@@draggindeeroutdoors yes it is. I couldn’t been happier with the results cause I could tell it was bad. He went 50 yards and piled up.
Some 20 inch bolts with single point broadheads will contact the bow on firing. 22 inch avoids all that. 22 inch may mean a little more concentration on where your point is if you are on the ground but for me I don't even notice.
Anyone else can't stop seeing grow tent in back round
My Scentlok closet? Lol
17:04 really? I wonder if there is a limit tho. Like, I don’t think you could shoot a 30 inch crossbow bolt. The flight would seem to be too erratic. Much less the spine would be too weak for the pressure. What do you think?
I’ve had great success with 100 grain Allen 3 blade bran. They fly straight and penetrate good pass through most every time. At 9 dollars a pack of 3 it sure beats paying 20 to 40 for a mechanical’s
Arrows! Modern hunting crossbows shoot arrows. Let's standardize on the one thing that unites crossbows with vertical bows, in that we all shoot arrows.
Bolts actually they are not arrows lol.
@@chrisruzsa2798 research what a bolt truly is, modern crossbow don't shoot bolts actually even though the term still carries with crossbow terminology the modern crossbow shoot 20 -22 inch arrows ... a bolt is actually like a bolt 🔩
@@cray-z7404 false. Bolt term comes from the Germanic word bolt which means projectile shot from a string.
England adopted the word to differentiate between arrows and bolts short arrows. What people call bolts are Quills, quails, Qurrels which all mean short bolts. Bolt is anything shorter and fatter than a full length skinny arrow. The fact that they are vaned or fletched does not determine what it is. They were always vaned even in the middle ages.
Is it possible to increase point weight by reducing draw weight? I'm interested in the crossbow game, trying to understand the dynamics.
Point weight and draw weight are completely unrelated and independent of each other
Thinking of going with a gold tip nitro and a 100grain fixed blade,or 125grain fixed blade. Would put me right at about 500-525 and wanna hunt 40 yards and in
Nice! Just remember, most bolts advertise weights WITH a 100 grain field point. Double check how Gold tip advertises their weights if 500+ grains is your target.
@@draggindeeroutdoors nitros are 500 with a 100 grain tip so if I smack a 125 I should be right at 525
Troy let him know I was shooting 730gn at 40 yards and under loved it.
Nice!!! 👍
@@draggindeeroutdoors yeah I don't have the exact numbers on hand but I've been able to shoot up to 650 7:30 under 40 yards though anything after 40 it would start walking around too much no matter how I tune the arrow bolt whatever you want to call it
But I don't think anytime in my honey life I have ever had to shoot over 40 almost all of my shots LP deer have been under 40 mainly in that sweet spot 20 to 30
Hunting not honey stupid voice text never says what you want it to
I was watching something else on your post about broken limbs I know Tyree and myself have talked a lot about it I've had my boss 405 for almost 3 years shooting the same limbs was able to get a extra set of limbs which I never use have been shooting 500 plus green arrows from day one maybe I'm just lucky I just sold it picked up a new PSE bow compound thinking about changing over to Excalibur on the crossbow side not sure if I want to buy one of the new KI's
Has anyone tried the QAD Exodus crossbow broadhead out of your crossbow?
If so how do they fly compare to your field tips and how is the penetration?.
I have a Ravin R10.
I personally have not, however the reviews I've seen on the QAD Exodus show it is an excellent head!
If you want to catch a 10lb bass...palm city Florida, Okeechobee..for real brother!!!
I shoot full metal jackets 340 spine 460 grains. At 60 pounds. Wt fixed blade broadheads NAP HELLRAZOR. They are steel heads Ihave had great success wt that set up. I have perfect arrow flight. And pass through on any big game animal shoot.
Very nice!
That thing about the lady who shot the nilgai....... I shot a big cow elk once
hit her quartering away, with a fifty eight lb recurve, 725 gr bamboo shaft footed with black locust insert, two blade single bevel broadhead, etc.
As best I could tell I had forty two inches of penetration, AND THEN that arrow broke the off-side shoulder on its way out.
Fantastic! That’s a lethal setup 👍
The guys who invented this stuff, are aging out of trad archery at this point. They are dropping down to 30 lbs bows that shoot 300 grain arrows, at 160 fps. Big difference than 600 grain arrows at 400 fps. So it is pretty hard to see much necessary upside to optimizing the gear for a crossgun, no downside though. I would do it.
175gn insert 150gn BH gold tip 425 ballistic under 40 it was fine
I used a center point sniper with carbon express bolt and Tuffhead 350 grain broadhead killed a doe she went 35 yards. Double lunged her
Good work, John! Congrats 👍
All these teachings came from from traditional archers. You look at the people who revolutionized modern arrows, and they were all longbow shooters. And I don't mean they were not shooting compounds, certainly not crossguns, they were shooting actual longbows. Elburg, and Ashby, predominantly. Makes sense you don't have as much energy to play with. You put this stuff in a crossgun, and it is going zip.
It’s 2024 , what broadheads are u running with your crossbows & deer 🦌 hunting with. ! What’s your go to broadhead that u believe in ?
Crossbow-Magnus Stinger 150 grain 2 blade.
Compound: Tuffhead Evolution 150 grain 3 blade
Killer instinct boss 405
I live in Michigan and hunt with a crossbow I won’t shoot pass 30 yards that’s just me .
All of my crossbow kills have been inside 30 yards as well! Good luck this season!