MS Softcaps hard at work here. Looks like this slow is capped to 99%, if it would exceed that value, unfortunately. Fun fact: You need the equivalent of *minus* 11000 raw Movement Speed to arrive at 0 MS in current League! That means getting up to e.g. ~6000 Movement speed post-caps and then getting slowed by a 200% slow (or some equivalent negative movespeed modifier), or an even more extreme slow on a target with less move speed beforehand.
@@marlonbrenowthegameplayhighelo There's technically no lower bound. Below 220 MS, your raw MS is halved and then added to 110. Thus, the 99% MS actually only reduce you to about 1/3 of your normal MS. Interestingly, the function actually defined at negative movement speed. When you have negative movement speed, that number is divided by 100 and then added to 110. However, the only way to obtain negative movement speed is to have a slow greater than 100%, like Senna in this video. Is 200% slow practical? Nah. Even if you have ~500 bAD from items and runes, you'd still need ~1800 souls. Under ideal circumstances, the game would need to go on for over 4 hours at the very least.
I remember when Thresh came out and there was a lot of hubbub about his 99% slow and then people finding out about the weird movement speed floors and reverse soft cap
I've found a bug on Yorick in sommoner's rift that allows you to die but let the maiden stay alive till you revive, your ult goes on CD and you could potentially have 2 maidens but I did not push the tests to know if it is possible. But I still have the footage if you want it.
Fun fact: that happens because Stridebreaker's buff has the wrong "stacking" behaviour, *_refreshing and renewing_* the buff duration of the Naafiri W slow (both use the 'generic slow* buff so they stack) to the 3 seconds duration Stridebreaker alone should own, making it last the entire Stridebreaker duration as well! When several stacks of slows of different values are affecting a unit, the one with the greatest value is used (Naafiri W in this case).
Hey! I Have a question. From time to time, I like to do 2v5 vs bots with scaling champions just to see how much stacks we can get and how strong our champions can get. How can I get the ''commands'' (for example 10000 gold or level up) to these games? We want these games to last very long, but we cant kill too much bots, because our minions will push and win the game, and I want the turrets to be invincible. How do I do it?
To be fair most of the time you hit the hard cap at 85%. Mana Cost, CD and Duration does not get better with points. You only get value for targets above 750 MS at 99% slow over 85%
@@noahskier.Nah he is right. Its written wrong in the tooltip. They wrote it dezimal but added % sign after. Its just 0,1 or 10 %. I guess they gonna fix that soon.
It could also be meant as 0,1 per cent of your ap so 0,1 per 100 ap you got. Iirc they did once or twice have it written in this weird way. Might as well just be rito spaghetti though, who knows \(0_0)/
It's quite for sometime. Not to the point of meta changing. And they're likely going for hybrid utility rather than full unga bunga ap. Also honorable mention : utility trundle jg, k6 w+comet, ap+utility senna, etc.
as you see in the video, thats not happening. riot does have a few soft caps for movement speed. both to not allow it to reach 0 or negative values in any realistic game and also one which reduces extra movement speed above a certain value
seriously why is that champ still in the game. It's probably the most annoying one of all. stack range, damage, letality, life steal, crits, aparently slows (didn't know that before), deal %hp damage and can ignore abilities that block auto attacks. So fun yeay
Well its super simple. There is a hard cap of 113 movespeed. If you slow a 350 MS Target or a 2000 MS target with 100% slow they both end up at 113 MS. Above that limit the slow works like it should.
Riot be like: Damn, let's make everything scale with something like Viego's heal on takedown which is super weird that it even scales with AD, AP, and ATTACK SPEED lmao, hextech drake scaling with literally AD AP and bonus health lmao, imo they should make everything simpler like level scaling for soul since it's self scaling already
Nah, but y'all finally get to see what Kha Zix Evolved W does. No idea why it slows by 75% for 2 whole seconds. Just make it a stun at that point, Riot.
I wish it was never nerfed. Give me back my 90%! But the answer to your question is so Kha can control the distance between himself and enemies. You can either use it to get closer or get away. Why not a stun? Because stuns on assassins are degenerate. Qiyana has been allowed to get away with it because it's her ult.
If theyre moving as fast as rammus in most of these clips they can literaly sidestep your q so on top of this ridiculous build you'd need to wardshot them unless they're moving straight at you 😭
MS Softcaps hard at work here. Looks like this slow is capped to 99%, if it would exceed that value, unfortunately.
Fun fact: You need the equivalent of *minus* 11000 raw Movement Speed to arrive at 0 MS in current League! That means getting up to e.g. ~6000 Movement speed post-caps and then getting slowed by a 200% slow (or some equivalent negative movespeed modifier), or an even more extreme slow on a target with less move speed beforehand.
hellow, why i got autoban ? notif say for using third party tools, tf im not using anything except 1111
Slow cannot be reduced to Less than 110 movespeed.
I saw once nami e with 1000 ap or more rotting the enemy with it lol
@@marlonbrenowthegameplayhighelo There's technically no lower bound. Below 220 MS, your raw MS is halved and then added to 110. Thus, the 99% MS actually only reduce you to about 1/3 of your normal MS. Interestingly, the function actually defined at negative movement speed. When you have negative movement speed, that number is divided by 100 and then added to 110. However, the only way to obtain negative movement speed is to have a slow greater than 100%, like Senna in this video.
Is 200% slow practical? Nah. Even if you have ~500 bAD from items and runes, you'd still need ~1800 souls.
Under ideal circumstances, the game would need to go on for over 4 hours at the very least.
@@zelda12346 but technically this is definitely possible and I hope next Vandiril's video will be about it
All that AP to mimic a fraction of the power of Zilean lvl 9
or nasus
i just max E first on zilean. stupid overpowered early game
Didn’t know Zilean e heal for 806 hp
@@lunarrain1567 You dumb. Zilean is speed buff single target.
😂😂😂😂@@lunarrain1567
Zilean talking to Nasus: Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!
Tahm Kench laughing
Nasus casting his w: "Finally a worthy opponent!"
Now I'm just imagining a superslowed Nasus chasing a superslowed Senna.
@@firesong7825 Nasus win xd.
Nasus: Unfortunately you need 850 ap while I only need 9 levels
And she deals 0 damage, while Nasus can still kill her even full tank 😂
@@Kris_Luchat AP Senna deals more dmg late game then AD. Lich bane works with Q.
Senna: I need to get unrealistic amounts of AP in order to achieve 100% slow.
Zilean: I have maxed my E ability at level 9 and now I am Thanos.
Well, to be fair, around 900 ap is not really that unrealistic
@@King1Z7 only full build with full ap items on an ad champ kek
I remember when Thresh came out and there was a lot of hubbub about his 99% slow and then people finding out about the weird movement speed floors and reverse soft cap
voltiac cyclosword gives 99% slow for melee users
Okay? @@eur0is
@@eur0is ok and?
@@Verlisifyand +55 attack damage
+15 ability haste
+18 lethality
@@adolphin9348 ?? what are you weirdos on about
I've found a bug on Yorick in sommoner's rift that allows you to die but let the maiden stay alive till you revive, your ult goes on CD and you could potentially have 2 maidens but I did not push the tests to know if it is possible. But I still have the footage if you want it.
BRO PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU
@@sliceycakey8322 vandril must tell me where I can upload it, thumb up the comment so he may see it
@@evilbleezardyou can sent him the replay via email in the description
you can email him
@@venteex what is his email? I didn't see any
close enough, welcome back Nasus ADC
Reminds me of old Vandiril content.
Changing ap ratios is great and needed, but imagine crit chance from mana regen
Rammus trying to go Super Saiyan and Senna just like: No I won't just stand here and watch
Its hard capped to 112/113 movespeed. You can use naafirir w and spam stridebreaker to get the same effect for 3 secs.
Fun fact: that happens because Stridebreaker's buff has the wrong "stacking" behaviour, *_refreshing and renewing_* the buff duration of the Naafiri W slow (both use the 'generic slow* buff so they stack) to the 3 seconds duration Stridebreaker alone should own, making it last the entire Stridebreaker duration as well!
When several stacks of slows of different values are affecting a unit, the one with the greatest value is used (Naafiri W in this case).
@@Caenen_LeagueTechnical Is that why I got nasus withered by a naafiri yesterday?
@@Lesquidliestone I'm not aware that the bug is fixed yet, so if they had Stridebreaker they were likely using that bug to their advantage there.
Apparently it is not really a hard cap but a soft cap
Nasus just pressing W since the beta: 😎
i hate the movement softcap :/ why can't we set people to 0 ms
That's called a root
@@afterlyte the difference would be you can still dash at 0ms
Wish y'all did it with Warwick, so you could see how small his ult range would be haha
Now try it with the arena augment that increases slows by 100
witch one happen first tho ? rammus hitting senna before she use ability or senna slowing rammus before the hit
AP Twitch W 🗿
Somehow i managed to see a whole new era of trolling
Hey! I Have a question. From time to time, I like to do 2v5 vs bots with scaling champions just to see how much stacks we can get and how strong our champions can get. How can I get the ''commands'' (for example 10000 gold or level up) to these games? We want these games to last very long, but we cant kill too much bots, because our minions will push and win the game, and I want the turrets to be invincible. How do I do it?
it is a hidden thing on pbe whch i think requires an external tool which iirc shouldnt get too public or riot will have to shut it down on pbe
From 2300ms to 100ms is 100% gues I missed some classes
Nice, now senna will have perma Zilean E in her q
Base movement speech is king now
Time to try Ap senna in my ranked games
it actually works, well not yet, but on pbe it does
this allows her to build standard enchanter items
Just a heads up: 1:06 Senna Qing you here also removes your homeguards
Rammus: "NOT okay!"
Wait is zilean then actually slowing 99% and is it worth to put the last skill point into his e?
85 vs 99% slow, i would say its worth every time
thresh R is 99 tho
To be fair most of the time you hit the hard cap at 85%.
Mana Cost, CD and Duration does not get better with points.
You only get value for targets above 750 MS at 99% slow over 85%
Absolutely. That's why there's a meta of ekko support for sometimes. His slow from w/q is practically insane and can be utilizes in many ways.
But 0,1% of 800 ap is 0,8 innit?
850x.1=85, so 85 percent slow from AP plus the 15 percent base slow from the ability is equal to 100%
@@noahskier.Nah he is right. Its written wrong in the tooltip. They wrote it dezimal but added % sign after.
Its just 0,1 or 10 %. I guess they gonna fix that soon.
It could also be meant as 0,1 per cent of your ap so 0,1 per 100 ap you got. Iirc they did once or twice have it written in this weird way. Might as well just be rito spaghetti though, who knows \(0_0)/
What happens when you do this with the augment in arena that makes slows also reduce movement speed by 100?
Okay what the flip ap senna meta now?
It's quite for sometime. Not to the point of meta changing. And they're likely going for hybrid utility rather than full unga bunga ap.
Also honorable mention : utility trundle jg, k6 w+comet, ap+utility senna, etc.
What do you do with slow > 100% walk backwards?
as you see in the video, thats not happening. riot does have a few soft caps for movement speed. both to not allow it to reach 0 or negative values in any realistic game and also one which reduces extra movement speed above a certain value
Good to see Senna stress testing Rammus’ horsepower
What about Wawick Ult interaction with the slow?
The only disadvantage AP Senna has is the lower attack speed to be able to spam Piercing Shadow
But even then you can get ability haste and Nashors
does it affect warwick ult
I'm pretty sure Nami's E with enough AP could "root" enemies some time ago, am I wrong ?
seriously why is that champ still in the game. It's probably the most annoying one of all. stack range, damage, letality, life steal, crits, aparently slows (didn't know that before), deal %hp damage and can ignore abilities that block auto attacks. So fun yeay
pair this with Zilean and the guy will be flagged for afk
that n&a still thinks they morgana
When are the senna changes coming
Why is it not exactly 100% slow? Someone know?
I don’t understand. How do slows work? Shouldn’t a 100% slow prevent from moving?
Well its super simple. There is a hard cap of 113 movespeed.
If you slow a 350 MS Target or a 2000 MS target with 100% slow they both end up at 113 MS.
Above that limit the slow works like it should.
dead mans plate is also a good counter, it gives you 25% slow resist
Im looking forward to play senna in aram right now xd
Unstoppable force vs unmovable object
so they made senna q a stun huh ?
Not walking the opposite direction?
Cool champion bro
Welcome to League, Nasus 2.0
what if u tested how useful swifties is against that big of a slow since honestly i never bought swifties thinking about slows
Zilean only 99% but Senna is 100%
My old man deserve some love!! Give him VGU already!!!
Hecarim mains after seeing this:
I fear no man, but that thing...
*Insert Senna full ap, 101% slow*
it scares me 😨
Nasus' wither:
they don't run backwards? unplayble
we had the fast
now we got the slow
Riot be like: Damn, let's make everything scale with something like Viego's heal on takedown which is super weird that it even scales with AD, AP, and ATTACK SPEED lmao, hextech drake scaling with literally AD AP and bonus health lmao, imo they should make everything simpler like level scaling for soul since it's self scaling already
It's good to see they are Nerfing Hecarim again 😊
I wonder what happens if you 100% slow full speed warwick while he is ulting...
I once slowed ww as Mord with rylai right at start of his ult (he aimed at teammate), and his jump was short af.
finally movement speed counter
People talking about Zil and Nasus, but forgetting that Thresh has 5 99% slows that slow for 2 seconds
AP twitch can already get over a 100% slow
Slow wasn't like that before, right?
I remember a time where janna was able to "slow" a target down to 0 ms.
Now if only we had more slows than hard CC league would be a better game in my humble opinion.
Blitzcrank W: We can go slower!
Remember when they removed the 99% slow on sejuani ult?
Máster Q: skill issue
The best slow effect belongs to Galio, his W reduce move speed to 60
Now I'm not a mathematician, but i thought any number -100% equals 0
Rito failing maths again.
all Zilean mains looking at this: "pathetic"
How it feels when i'm fighting Nasus in lane
Remember janna actually having a 100% slow?
Senna basically has 2 root abilities now.
Huh so they changed it, I remember like 1k ap Janna W being 100% slow and it just turned into a root
Hwei Lvl6 coming with up to 120% (always 110-113 speed)
I thought it would be with queen's ult
If this go live I will report every Senna that Misses her W after casting Q on enemies for inting 🤣
Twitch have the same slow and No one is Talking about it
101% slow should make you moonwalk
Nah, but y'all finally get to see what Kha Zix Evolved W does. No idea why it slows by 75% for 2 whole seconds. Just make it a stun at that point, Riot.
I wish it was never nerfed. Give me back my 90%!
But the answer to your question is so Kha can control the distance between himself and enemies. You can either use it to get closer or get away. Why not a stun? Because stuns on assassins are degenerate. Qiyana has been allowed to get away with it because it's her ult.
@@chaotixthefoxYou only start to get a little value above 450 MS with 90% over 75%. Not that big of a deal.
I remmeber when you could be slowed for 100% at least Bots where able to. But hey, with how OP Slows can be it is ok.
how tiny the ww range gets
Better than thresh's ult
Pretty sure they removing swifties slow reduction. Gonna buff the adcs again are we
pretty sure ap twitch W with a shitton of ap slows for even more and could test it better
Nasus and Zilean: pathetic
Master Yi: pff pathethic
Wither!
AP Twitch W can slow an entire team for over 100% MS. And then just stand behind your team and do other rat things
Twitch’s W can go above 100
Try vs yi and show his dance speed
Luckily Movement speed is capped at 110 so we safe I guess.
ap sena looks balanced
okay riot has proved their point, senna can build ap, now balance shit out
try it with warwick and see how far he can jump
Why is senna q stunning me?
Another bug live right now lets you slow for 99% for 3 seconds if you hit a stridebreaker activ mid Naafiri w
No this is nasus w
It can't go below 100
If theyre moving as fast as rammus in most of these clips they can literaly sidestep your q so on top of this ridiculous build you'd need to wardshot them unless they're moving straight at you 😭
Why though? Playing anything without dashes against Senna was already miserable enough.
such a weird change from riot