floyd rose special vs floyd rose original vs Schaller Lockmeister
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2021
- This video is about the differences between the FR special, FR Original, and the Schaller Lockmeister.
It also covers the install and setup in a guitar routed for a floyd rose.
The Lockmeister is the OFR with Schaller's stamp on it. Schaller makes the OFR too. I have them both, same thing and cheaper too!
I agree. They are exactly the same except for the logo.
@Primal Tone as in the same hardened steel saddles, baseplate and screws on the saddles?
Great video! Question on the Schaller - does it work together with "THE KEY" for the intonation? And also, is The Key designed to remain steadily on the guitar, or basically to just set the intonation, to then screw in the saddle locking screws in a fixed, calm position? Appreciate the insight, thanks for the video!
Hi PippPriss,
I’m stoked you liked the video!
The key will definitely work on the Schaller. You want your guitar tuned to whatever tuning you plan to play it in. You want to make sure your locking nut is not locked as you will need to retune after every adjustment. Sorry for the delayed response, I was on vacation.
I hope that answered your questions.
If not, hit me up and I’ll be happy to give any information I have. Thanks for watching!
Do you have any info on the aftermarket FL roses that say "license under Floyd rose pats? " are they all pretty much the same or are other ones that say that better?
Hi GraveDanger, I’m not super familiar with too many FR licensed tremolos other than the Gotoh and I must say that one is pretty darn good in it’s own right. The dimensions are not the same as the FR or the Lockmeister though. It seems to be a little bouncier but it stays in tune just like the Floyd. It also seems to be pretty well made.
www.amazon.com/Gotoh-Floyd-Rose®-Bridge-Chrome/dp/B0006ZST3O/ref=sr_1_2?crid=AB4GD29J8CS2&keywords=gotoh+floyd+rose+tremolo&qid=1662329424&sprefix=Gotoh+flo%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-2
Thanks for watching,
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Why so high music at the end of video, we barely could hear the voice. Excellent review😊
Sorry for the technical difficulties. At the time, I didn’t have a firm grasp on the editing.
I read a forum post recently by someone who had the metal of an OFR and 1000 Series tested by his scientist friend (who has fancy machines for metal testing). His friend reported that the OFR has a hardness of 8 (just like you said here) and the 1000 has a hardness of 5.6. That right there busts the myth (or whopper of a lie) that the 1000 is the "same quality" as the OFR except country of origin. Anyway, if the 1000 is 5.6 I'm thinking the Special must be like 3. Unless of course, the 1000 and Special are both 5.6 and they're just lying to us some more. And I can confirm firsthand that the 1000 is softer metal because my new 1000 series FR has the chrome worn off on the knife edges, just like your Special has here (also, the studs have grooves in them already). The allen screws on the 1000 are all very easy to strip too, if you aren't very careful.
Hi Anthony,
That is great information! You can’t argue with science.
Thank you for sharing that.
We welcome any input or experiences you have to share.
@@primaltone9064 You are very welcome and thank you for your valuable info as well!
I recently put a Warmoth partscaster together and used a Lockmeister. I honestly think it's amazing, and from what I hear it's even better than the OFR.
For anyone Wanting to use a Lockmeister on a Warmoth build, choose the Floyd Rose routing, not the Schaller routing. Schaller make 2 different locking trems and they are different in dimension. I was told by a Schaller representative that the OFR and the LM were 100% interchangeable.
Thank you Jimbob! That is awesome information! I appreciate your post.
@@primaltone9064 You're welcome :) Also another difference to consider is that the LM has a 12 inch radius vs the OFR's 10 inch.
But take the shim out of the Lockmeister and you get 16, which is a perfect fit for a fretboard with a 10-16 compound radius, considering FR locking nuts typically come with a 10 inch. I find it to be the perfect sweet spot between having low action for leads and being easy to play chords.
Do you know if the Lockmeister has the same dimensions as the FR1000? even the stud inserts? i'm thinking on doing the swap. Thank you
@@Johnmannish I don’t know. I’d measure the stud spacing first to make sure that’s identical.
@@Johnmannish I've heard it's a direct swap, but definitely do your homework first. I've heard horror stories about people ruining the knife edges because they assumed it was a direct swap, but the stud spacing wasn't the same.
Did you change the mounting stud inserts when you put the Schaller? do they fit in the same hole as the FR1000? thanks for the video
Hi John, The center distance is the same so, it’s possible to use the same posts.
@@primaltone9064 Thanks for the answer! was the lockmeister block better quality than the Original? or is it the same?
@@Johnmannish Hi John, The block is the same except for the stampings. You can tell the parts are made in the same place.
How about floyd rose special baseplate? Will it stay in tune during years passing by?
I believe the major differences are the fact the Special base plate is bent into shape ILO machined and I don’t believe it is as hard. That being said, it is subjective based on how often you use it and how aggressive you are with the bar. I don’t think you’d notice any tuning issues until the plate contact points are excessively worn. Thanks for watching and thanks for contributing to the channel Rodolfo!
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Just saw this, good stuff, but yeah, the music is loud at the end. Question: Did you swap out the posts as well? I don't know but I've read the Special posts are also different, but just not sure.
Hi Scott, My apologies about the the audio toward the end. My editing skills are a work in progress.
The posts were changed out as well.
@@primaltone9064 No worries, it's minor and that's how we learn. Thanks for the response.
Hi Benson, I think you might be referring to the previous version. On the newest version, the base plate is identical to the FR original in every way. (Except for the name on it)
He's talking about the "Schaller Locking Tremolo". I've had a few guitars with that on it. Caparison uses them.
why is there loud music playing starting at 6:07 in the viseo one can not hear you speaking
Hi Kemugen, There was an issue when the video was converted to RUclips. Unfortunately, buy the time I noticed it there were too many views to take this down and repost. I will do my best to make sure that sort of thing doesn’t happen again.
The OFR and the Lockmeister are/were the exact same product, because Schaller used to produce for Floyd Rose! As you point out correctly the only difference is the branding! But the big difference is the price (which I only know in Euros): The OFR costs about 330 Euros and the Lockmeister about 200 Euros! So I replaced all my Specials, which are complete cheap crap, to Lockmeisters!
I agree with you. I love the lockmeister. It feels completely professional where the special does not. That is a huge price difference in euros!
Dude, can u get ur camera focus just for 1 second?
the lockmiester is hard asf. good thing about it you can upgrade the baseplate which is thicker and the knife edge can be pulled out and be replaced with a new knife piece easily.
The removable knife edges on a pot metal baseplate is in no way an upgrade..
Got myself a lockmeister, it's just great. Dont have experience with fl original, apparently as good
That's not the Lockmeister, that's the "Schaller Tremolo". The "Schaller Lockmeister" does not have replaceable knives and is the same as the OFR (some claim even better than OFR because the Lockmeister allegedly has better plating and arm mount). The Schaller you're referring to has a pot metal baseplate with replaceable hardened steel knives. It's a good bridge, but the Lockmeister is superior.
Lockmeister is definitely superior in every way
Why did that loud music come in when you were explaining the intonation tool and how it works? I couldn't hear what you said at all. ????
Hi Casey, Unfortunately, there were some technical problems which I wasn’t aware until the video had too many views to be taken down. However, I will be posting a mult-part series doing a deep dive into the Floyd Rose and some of it’s counterparts.so, stay tuned . I will do my best not to disappoint!
@@primaltone9064 Thanks for the update!
Backing track over powers the narration of this video!
Hi Jim,
My apologies. The video had too many views to replace when I became aware of the issue.
There is a newer Floyd comparison video on my channel which doesn’t have that issue.
I do appreciate your feedback.
Thanks for watching.
I was so disappointed to find Floyd rose was not telling the whole story about the "Special"
When they first came out i seen the spec's for the trem and it said it is the same as the "1000"
except used zinc saddles and a zinc block. I was willing to deal with that by getting a brass block
and using it that way to save some $$$, turns out the plate is not the same metal nor are the post's.
Overall the whole trem is made cheaper than a 1000 . While i do think the Schaller Lockmiester is great
I just use the Gotoh 1996 trem' now. amazing trem for under $200
Hi Marshall. Thank you for the comment. I agree that the Gotoh Floyd is a nice tremolo. It’s very smooth.
iirc Schaller got to making the lockmeister to the exact specs of the original floyd when the patents expired. So beyond the different trem blocks, they should be the same tremolo. Also, Schaller always made the original floyds for floyd rose. I bought one of those "the key" intonator things but I literally never used it. I can't loosen the retainer screw under string tension on my lockmeister so I might as well just move the saddle by hand anyway. Useless thing. Also, not a smart move to have loud music over yourself when you're explaining intonation. 😂
Agreed.
So floyd rose special and original has same spare part?
Hi Rock at Home, The parts have the same dimensions but the original parts are made from superior materials.
@@primaltone9064 thank you for information 🙏
@@RockatHome My pleasure
I own a Dean Dimebag from Hell since 9 years now with a Floyd Rose Special and I had to change it to an Original Floyd Rose, because the Special one was totally fu**ed up IDK why. Some mates told me that the Special are not some good quality. How do you like it?
Ps: Thanks for this video 🤘
I feel the same way. The special tuning is less stable and way less smooth.
I agree. The Original and Schaller tremolos are made from superior materials and hold tuning better as well. Thank you for watching.
@MusicandGamer
I’ve got the same guitar and the thing just will NOT stay in tune. After 10 or 15 minutes I have to fine tune it and after an hour or so I have to release the nut and tune it from the headstock.
If I replaced the FR special with an OFR or the Lockmeister, will it sort this tuning issue out?
I’m _gutted_ because I absolutely love the guitar, it just won’t stay in tune. I’ve even blocked the trem and used it without the locking pieces in the bridge. That helped a lot but it’ll still need retuning regularly.
More jumps than a basketball game in this clip and I don't know what was up with that song playing while you were explaining how to use the intonation tool, but invaluable information nonetheless for anyone wanting to replace their Floyd Rose special.
Nice one E-Man
Thank you my brother! I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Good video from 0 to minute 6. I’d like to know the reason why suddenly that unbearably high music appears from nowhere
Hi Sgt. Pepe's,
Unfortunately, something went wrong when the video transferred to RUclips. By the time I knew about it, the video had too many views to take it down and replace it.
I plan to do a more detailed video on the same subject, without the overbaring music track in the backround. Stay tuned anad thanks for watching.
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@@primaltone9064 thanks for your answer, I’ll stay in tune. 👍🏼
The only difference between the special and the original is the string saddles being made of zinc and the block. Everything else is identical. Change those things out and you will have the same as an original. The base plate is made of steel just like the OFR.
Hi Matthew,
There are quite a few differences, including the base plate. The specials are bent into shape and the originals are machined. On the special, if you look closely at the side edge where the fine tuners are, you’ll see a little flare out where it was bent. The originals are smooth in that area. Also, the screws are grade 5 on the special where they are grade 8 on the original. However the sizes of everything are the same making the parts interchangeable.
Uninformed comment
In my floydrose under the baseplate I've got W code
Hi Rick,
I’m not sure what the “W” stands for if it’s a w, by itself. I have seen “K” for Korea. I have also seen “W. Germany”.
What kind of guitar is it from?
@@primaltone9064 i just bought the bridge for replace my edge 3
I cant hear u
The Floyd Rose Special is a lot cheaper than the OFR and Schaller....of course it isn't going to be as durable. lol
Agreed. I was merely trying to demonstrate what the differences are.
Don't tune your guitar with it liying down. You always tune your guitar in play position
There is a difference between tuning and setting the intonation, which is what he was doing. But yes, the fine-tuning is best done in play position.
@@dvdrtrgn then why the lesson?
Some loud music started and drowned you out. Maybe you weren't alone.
Hi Andy, It was just a mixing issue.
Schaller has manufacfured the OGF for years! The only real difference is the branding! I recommend anybody to replace the Special with a Schaller Lockmeister, which costs half of a OGF!
Right on Immanuel!
The intonation on those is way off...
Jesus christ is coming repent choose him today,he loves you.
I’m sure he loves you too
Great video but why did you crank a tune over the talking of the end, I have no fucking idea what you were saying. Thought it was pretty funny.
LOL! There is a 2nd video on my channel because of that. By the time I realized the issue, this video had too many views to take down.
Thanks for watching Zombie Mosher!
@@primaltone9064 Ha! OK cool, I'll check that out. Digging your vids.
Schaller has been making the original Floyd Rose since the beginning.
The key. That intonation thing you were showing is garbage if you want a real tool go to eBay and look up red Bishop made in Japan they have a tool that sets intoNation for every tremol that you can think of. Don't even waste your money buying The key.
Hi Max,
Thank you for the comment. Based on that, I ordered a Red Bishop from Amazon. Once I get it, I’ll do a review. It looks like a pretty well made tool.
@@primaltone9064 yeah it's way better than that key. I like the fact that you can use it for different license Floyd roses as well. Definitely highly recommend it especially if you're dealing with these kind of guitars on a daily basis.
The music drowned you out!!!! What a way to fuck up your video
wtf is that music, makes the last couple minutes unlistenable