The AF1 really NEVER worked for me. I much preferred the AF2. I may talk about that at some point down the road. Maybe I’ll do a AF 1/2 overview to celebrate the AF3 launch when that happens. I do still have my OG black/green AF1s.
I appreciate the kind words. These 5 shoes really do have a relationship to each other, mostly to help a runner figure out what they do and don't like.
Thanks for the review. It’s very informative and accessible. I have never worn either Nike or Adidas (Endorphin pro one was as far as I got. I assumed my wide feet wouldn’t work for Nike or Adidas at first) until this month. I decided to go with Adizero pro 3 + Talumi sem 8 combo. Mostly because of value for money (I got the two in a bundle for AU$300). Took Adizero on a long aerobic threshold run - 21km at 4:35/km pace and Takumi Sen 8 for an interval 1km 3:45/km pace. First impression - very happy with both shoes. Springy, responsive and light. On the way back from my workout, found myself saying “this is why people wear Nike and Adidas.” I’ve been quite happy with my Saucony Endorphin pro and speed. But the adidas pairing seem to outperform when it comes to speed & performance. Though comfort and plushness is better with Saucony.
Nike and Adidas are leaders in the running space for a reason. But yes, lots of other options out there. Finding what works for you is key… but trying what you can is part of the fun. Enjoy the Adidas racing shoes!
@@MasterKentucky I’ve never once seen any brand or store offer that. Plus it would be the AP3+TS9 as those are both the current shoes. That being said you can find both on sale off and on lately…
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Came back to this vid 'cause I decided to try on the VF3 at the Nike store today. They didn't have my US 10.5 so I tried a US 9 and it somehow fit. I didn't get the feeling of standing on a platform like the AP3, but it felt narrower around the midfoot area, and probably a bit less stable while doing single leg exercises (not that the AP3 is super stable doing those same exercises). Am I imagining it? Maybe it's something one needs to get used to. It's possible it wouldn't be an issue for me during a run, but I would prefer an extra cm or two. I do think the VF3's Flyknit mesh upper is the better upper though.
You aren't imagining it. Th midfoot in the VF has always been very narrow and it takes some getting used too. Definitely about as opposite from the AP3 as it gets. I will also say a VF feels strange standing and walking in, but once you start running it begins to make sense quickly. There is a forefoot bias on the shoe, but it can work for any foot strike...but does take getting used too. I adore the upper on the VF3, the one upper on any shoe, not just a race shoe, in the last 2-3 years that has given me zero toenail drama or pain/blisters.
@@SagasuRunning Yup, the upper was very flexible, accommodating, and super light! The tongue took some work to sort out. I'm unsure about my foot strike, come to think about it, but I think I'm a midfoot striker. It's a shame stores here don't let you test run shoes 'cause my curiosity is piqued. Got a 5k race coming up in a month's time (same course I did last year on the T20) and I'll be using it to test the AP3 outside of training. I know it's not a 5k racer, but I think it's earned that race after 300k, and I'm eager to find out how much I've improved in a year. My training volume has doubled and my base pace has increased so I'm hopeful!😊
@OdanUrr87 Vaporfly tongues and getting them in the right place have ALWAYS been a thing…. IYKYK sorta thing. Good luck on the upcoming race. Sounds like the fitness is there! 💪🏻
I’ll admit I’m hesitant to try the Takumi Sen 9 as my 3K-5K racer. While I did have good experience performance-wise with the 8, it was just way too narrow and uncomfortable for my wide feet. The Streakfly, while not as fast or propulsive as the Sens, is much more comfortable for both fit and feel. My internal debate now is whether to stick to my tried and true Streakfly for my races or splurge and get the Vaporfly 3. While the VF may be faster, I’m not sure how significant it will be. And as light as it is, Streakfly is still lighter.
The VF3 will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster. If you have watched any of my content you know I LOVE the SF… but it doesn’t compare to the VF3. I also consider it more of a training shoe than a race shoe, which is why it’s not in this video. I have some pairing videos coming next week. One of them will be VF3 + SF how I see them working together.
Awesome video! It would be great to see a comparison between the Vaporfly 3 and Streakfly, comfort, speed, durability, etc. Say if you can only have one, which is better for all races up until a half marathon...
That is an easy comparison. The Vaporfly 3, hands down, no contest...for all distances, period. I love the Streakfly, but it's a training tool and a workout shoe for me, not a race shoe. I will likely do a Vaperfly 3/4 vs Alphafly 3 vs Streakfly 2 in 2024 though... stay tuned.
Hi sir @Sagasurunning. I'm running Lisbon's marathon on 8/10 which one would you recommend using : -Alphafly 1 (206km so far I love them for keeping pace) -Vaporfly 3 (44km I just did some pretty convincing fast track session in them) I consider using the vaporfly 3 tomorrow on my 1h + 1h15 marathon pace training to give them a try and decide. But if you have any recommendations. Plus the vaporfly 3 is all white which could be good for Lisbon but I really love the alphafly 1 (lower drop) and they'll be hard to beat. Thanks 🙏
For me, no contest… 100% the VF3. I didn’t mind the AF1, but never once considered racing in it. For you… see how they training run feels in the VF3s and see how your legs and feet feel afterward… let that determine your choice. Good luck with your race! 🤙🏻
I am surprised you didn’t like alphafly 2. I think it’s the best shoe nike has ever made for running, jogging etc. It’s stable, bouncy, great cushion, perfect uppers, and decent grip. Vaporfly 2 was the most unstable shoes. I think they have corrected that with v3 but for the same price as alphafly2, I would go with the latter any day. Adios pro 3 has more bounce and foot propulsion than alphafly. But its a little unstable. Alphafly has corrected all the deficiencies of Vaporfly and adios pro shoes.
“Best” is very personal and subjective here. Personally, the Vaporfly is a far superior shoe here… But that is the beauty of running shoes in 2023… everyone can find their own favorites.
Both are making shoes but they don’t compare. The VF3 is a super shoe. The A8 is a (modernized) racing flat. I use the A8 more as a daily trainer… but it’s capable of faster efforts. I still race in a VF3, no questions, no comparison to the A8.
I use the A8 as a daily shoe, I find it does well with easy running… though it prefers a bit faster and works best with clean form. But as a daily shoe it keeps you working hard and aware of your mechanics (which I like alot).
While the Metaspeeds are fine… I personally don’t think they are in the same tier as Nike and Adidas. Especially going by world major results. Not a bad shoe but not one for this comparison.
@@SagasuRunningjust saw your latest video basically complimenting the metaspeed sky plus to no end with plenty of direct comparisons to aap3 and vaporfly. But i thought they arent in the same tier ?
@Ks-fp8dv I’ve had an evolution in my point of view. I am unsure if I’ll race in the Sky+ but for training I’m really enjoying them, for sure. Also by race results at the elite level.. Nike and Adidas are still ahead, at least on the men’s side. My thoughts on the overall Asics line though is evolving… a lot more coming this month on it all.
I'm comming from a Nike Pegasus 38 as my all runs shoe, and im preparing a race of 1 mile in track, training 2 times in a week in the track doing fast series and fartlecks and 3 times long runs at easy pace. Is it worth to still use pegasus for easy pace runs and buy one of this for the track days and for the big day? And in this case, which one of this? Im debating between the Vaporfly 3, and the takumi sen 9, because the adios pro 3 doesnt makes sense for this shorter distance, right? FYI: I start running seriously 18 months ago and my actual time in 1 mile run is 5'26''
If you are going to be racing ONLY on a track… I’d look at buying a track spike over any of the shoes in this video. That will be your most optimal shoe for track racing, in fact the race may require you to race in track spikes. I’d look into that before you buy anything. If you want a shoe that you can race on the track AND road for any distance the Vaporfly 3 is the one to go for, though the Takumi Sen 9 is also a great option if you prefer a stiffer shoe.
I assume you mean Alphafly 2… if so, then no. It still has a prominent arch but not to the same degree. I also haven’t seen as many people complaining about it online as it’s not an issue I have with Nike or any running shoe.
I'm using alphafly 2 and I feel very uncomfortable with high arch. I'm looking for new shoes.. which one will u prefer Adizero Pro2 or new Vapourfly 3? Thanks for the reply
100% the Vaporfly 3. I have multiple videos on the vaporfly, adios pro 3 and some comparison on this channel. I’d check them out for more detail. It really comes down to your own preferences.
Thank you! I have to go with the Vaporfly Next Percent Two. The wide platform doesn't do it for me. IMHO, Nike made the Vaporfly 3 to appeal to everyone and satisfies no one.
I do agree that Nike has been refining their shoes, “dialing in” as I have said in multiple videos… to work for more runners. They have been smoothing the rough edges off, maybe the things that some people liked about the shoes, and making shoes they are whetted versions and work for more people. The Vaporfly 3 is an outstanding example of this, it’s a MUCH better Vaporfly they more people can use. But there the beauty of having lots of options in shoes. Finding what you like. It’s also why I’ve just made so much Vaporfly 3 content to help people figure out it it’s a shoe for them… as it’s is so important.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you! I agree with you! You bring insights to the Vaporfly 3 which few others have provided. I admit to having narrow feet and have raced miles to marathons in racing flats, I'm a bit partial to racing fit shoes. Nonetheless, making shoes which work for almond us is great!
@@jackkasperski2912 I never raced in Nike Streak 6/7s but I did ALOT of training miles in them…. As well as Adios 4s and Boston 8/9. There really aren’t any real racing flats out there anymore… sadly! Thank you for the kind words. 🙏🏻
My Takumi Sen 8's have started ripping on the upper after only 60 km approx which I'm sad/annoyed about as, otherwise, they are a fast and fun shoe. I like the stack height for 5k and 10k. TD 9's supposed to be very similar so I think I will hang around for the mythical Takumi Sen Strung 🙂
Boomer here, just picked up my first carbon plate shoe, the Puma, deviate nitro elite, paid £94 delivered, Can't wait to see how it goes, initial impression is that it feels good and well cushioned.
I didn’t agree when I recorded this video but I have come back around on the Sky+. There will be some Metaspeed content this month (assuming we don’t get a new one).
The AP3 is a very high platform and LSP is very firm... so yes, no good. It is where I think Adidas designed the Takumi Sen series to handle twisty courses.
I disagree as to the Alphafly not being responsive. I do find it noisy, but it does respond well, and when pushed, this shoe feels like running on springs. I am a forefoot runner with slight leveling and more leveling when tired. You can run hard and long in the Alphafly and feel like you ran half the distance because your legs are just not as beat-up. On the other hand, the Vaporfly has an edge at shorter distances, especially the version 2 of the shoe, simply due to being lighter. For marathon distance, Alphafly can't be beat.
I would have agreed with your thoughts… when we had the VF1/2… which is why I opted for the AF2 for my races in 2022. Also everything you said is why I do like the AF2 for long runs in a marathon build (though I’m no longer even using it for this anymore). Overall I’ve spent a lot of time in both the AF and AF2. But the VF3 changed all of this. It’s the better fitting, more versatile and much faster shoe that gives you MOST of benefits of the AF2 with much less bulk. I understand what Nike is doing with the AF line. It’s their ultimate marathon racer, like what adidas is doing with the AP line… and I’m hopeful for the AF3. But the VF3 is the king for Nike racing right now… at all distances. Though I will accept personal preference applies here… but I don’t know a single person (in my running circle and on the boundaries) who was running still running in a AF2 over the VF3. Even one of my hardcore AF lover friends, who boarded AF1 versions in fear of never getting them again… has switched the the VF3 for all training and racing.
Excellent analysis. But none of those have a racing flat feel. The closest is the takumi sen. If you want a racing flat feel, use a racing flat. Just be ready for that racing flat pain afterwards 😂👍
Agree… the TS9 is the most close but in 2023 few are looking for a real racing flat feel. It looks as if the Adios 8 will be that… so I can’t wait to give that a try! Thank you for the kind words!
So the Takumi sen 9 is full of faults. The Alphafly 2 is like running in mud. The Pro 3 has lots of issues especially the upper. You're talking about some of the best shoes ever sold. You'll never like anything basically! You've been bought and sold by Vaporfly!!!
@@SagasuRunning You really need to lighten up on the criticism. I follow 4 other run shoe testers and not a single one is as picky and fault finding as you. I never ever leave comments but this had to be done. Your reviews are pointless because every shoe is crap according to you, essentially. I will educate you. The Alphafly 2 is a fantastic shoe 10 kms to marathon. The Takumi Sen 9 is a fantastic shoe 1 km to half marathon. The Pro 3 is great at any distance. The Prime X Strung is amazing for smooth hard good surfaces over 10 kms to ultra marathon distances. None of them are the rubbish you claim them to be and i will leave it there and stop following you as you are so far off the truth in 90% of what you say. Honestly, i've never said this to anyone but you talk utter nonsense almost all the time dudey. Bye.
@@christopheredale9135 I love the AP3 midsole (upper not so much) and the Metaspeed Sky+ is a great shoe (which I may even race in this fall)… but neither hold a candle to the Vaporfly 3. I have an open mind but there are alot of bad shoes out there in the “super shoe” category…
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@@christopheredale9135 If you want to talk mid engine cars, Ayrton Senna developed a masterpiece in the Honda NSX 30’years ago. I’m an F1 fan and respect Ferrari’s legacy and racing heritage… but the other flashy Italian cars or wanna be Ferraris are not in the same league. I agree mid engine is the optimal sports car layout… but RR layout is fun to drive as it RWD… so German cars again. Just sayin’.
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I own the VF2, the VF3 and the AF2 .... and of course the IMHO best Nike super shoe: the AF1, still my favorite of them all.
The AF1 really NEVER worked for me. I much preferred the AF2. I may talk about that at some point down the road. Maybe I’ll do a AF 1/2 overview to celebrate the AF3 launch when that happens. I do still have my OG black/green AF1s.
Air forces?
Alphafly = AF
Very impressive Outlook on version various and different models the way you put it together made a lot of sense.
I appreciate the kind words. These 5 shoes really do have a relationship to each other, mostly to help a runner figure out what they do and don't like.
Thanks for the review. It’s very informative and accessible. I have never worn either Nike or Adidas (Endorphin pro one was as far as I got. I assumed my wide feet wouldn’t work for Nike or Adidas at first) until this month. I decided to go with Adizero pro 3 + Talumi sem 8 combo. Mostly because of value for money (I got the two in a bundle for AU$300).
Took Adizero on a long aerobic threshold run - 21km at 4:35/km pace and Takumi Sen 8 for an interval 1km 3:45/km pace.
First impression - very happy with both shoes. Springy, responsive and light. On the way back from my workout, found myself saying “this is why people wear Nike and Adidas.”
I’ve been quite happy with my Saucony Endorphin pro and speed. But the adidas pairing seem to outperform when it comes to speed & performance. Though comfort and plushness is better with Saucony.
Nike and Adidas are leaders in the running space for a reason. But yes, lots of other options out there. Finding what works for you is key… but trying what you can is part of the fun.
Enjoy the Adidas racing shoes!
Is there any bundle still avaiable now? Adizero pro 3 + Talumi sem 8 combo
@@MasterKentucky bundle as far as purchasing?
@@SagasuRunning yeah
@@MasterKentucky I’ve never once seen any brand or store offer that. Plus it would be the AP3+TS9 as those are both the current shoes.
That being said you can find both on sale off and on lately…
Thorough and engaging review. Im suprised you are not getting more subscribers to your channel.
Thank you. Working on the subscribers. This channel is less than 3 months old and I'm thankful for all the organic growth. As always...share this video with anyone you know who might find value in it.
Came back to this vid 'cause I decided to try on the VF3 at the Nike store today. They didn't have my US 10.5 so I tried a US 9 and it somehow fit. I didn't get the feeling of standing on a platform like the AP3, but it felt narrower around the midfoot area, and probably a bit less stable while doing single leg exercises (not that the AP3 is super stable doing those same exercises). Am I imagining it? Maybe it's something one needs to get used to. It's possible it wouldn't be an issue for me during a run, but I would prefer an extra cm or two. I do think the VF3's Flyknit mesh upper is the better upper though.
You aren't imagining it. Th midfoot in the VF has always been very narrow and it takes some getting used too. Definitely about as opposite from the AP3 as it gets. I will also say a VF feels strange standing and walking in, but once you start running it begins to make sense quickly. There is a forefoot bias on the shoe, but it can work for any foot strike...but does take getting used too.
I adore the upper on the VF3, the one upper on any shoe, not just a race shoe, in the last 2-3 years that has given me zero toenail drama or pain/blisters.
@@SagasuRunning Yup, the upper was very flexible, accommodating, and super light! The tongue took some work to sort out. I'm unsure about my foot strike, come to think about it, but I think I'm a midfoot striker. It's a shame stores here don't let you test run shoes 'cause my curiosity is piqued. Got a 5k race coming up in a month's time (same course I did last year on the T20) and I'll be using it to test the AP3 outside of training. I know it's not a 5k racer, but I think it's earned that race after 300k, and I'm eager to find out how much I've improved in a year. My training volume has doubled and my base pace has increased so I'm hopeful!😊
@OdanUrr87 Vaporfly tongues and getting them in the right place have ALWAYS been a thing…. IYKYK sorta thing.
Good luck on the upcoming race. Sounds like the fitness is there! 💪🏻
I’ll admit I’m hesitant to try the Takumi Sen 9 as my 3K-5K racer. While I did have good experience performance-wise with the 8, it was just way too narrow and uncomfortable for my wide feet. The Streakfly, while not as fast or propulsive as the Sens, is much more comfortable for both fit and feel.
My internal debate now is whether to stick to my tried and true Streakfly for my races or splurge and get the Vaporfly 3. While the VF may be faster, I’m not sure how significant it will be. And as light as it is, Streakfly is still lighter.
The VF3 will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster. If you have watched any of my content you know I LOVE the SF… but it doesn’t compare to the VF3. I also consider it more of a training shoe than a race shoe, which is why it’s not in this video.
I have some pairing videos coming next week. One of them will be VF3 + SF how I see them working together.
@@SagasuRunning thanks! I’ll be looking forward to it
Awesome video! It would be great to see a comparison between the Vaporfly 3 and Streakfly, comfort, speed, durability, etc. Say if you can only have one, which is better for all races up until a half marathon...
That is an easy comparison. The Vaporfly 3, hands down, no contest...for all distances, period. I love the Streakfly, but it's a training tool and a workout shoe for me, not a race shoe.
I will likely do a Vaperfly 3/4 vs Alphafly 3 vs Streakfly 2 in 2024 though... stay tuned.
Thanks! I'll return my streakfly to NIKE once the outsole is busted and get a Vaporfly!@@SagasuRunning
Hi sir @Sagasurunning. I'm running Lisbon's marathon on 8/10 which one would you recommend using :
-Alphafly 1 (206km so far I love them for keeping pace)
-Vaporfly 3 (44km I just did some pretty convincing fast track session in them)
I consider using the vaporfly 3 tomorrow on my 1h + 1h15 marathon pace training to give them a try and decide. But if you have any recommendations. Plus the vaporfly 3 is all white which could be good for Lisbon but I really love the alphafly 1 (lower drop) and they'll be hard to beat. Thanks 🙏
For me, no contest… 100% the VF3. I didn’t mind the AF1, but never once considered racing in it.
For you… see how they training run feels in the VF3s and see how your legs and feet feel afterward… let that determine your choice.
Good luck with your race! 🤙🏻
vf3 also feels like mud under my foot, but hey they protect my legs so well i feel nothing the next day of a long run
Interesting. I can’t imagine the shoe ever feeling that way. What do you race in?
@@SagasuRunning half marathon, but i use vf3 for anything
The VF3 is the right choice there. Still I’m shocked then “feel like mud” for you.
Are the V3 meant to be a tight fit all over?
They are a race shoe and therefore have a race fit, yes. However, they have a much more forgiving fit compared to the VF 1 or 2.
I am surprised you didn’t like alphafly 2. I think it’s the best shoe nike has ever made for running, jogging etc. It’s stable, bouncy, great cushion, perfect uppers, and decent grip. Vaporfly 2 was the most unstable shoes. I think they have corrected that with v3 but for the same price as alphafly2, I would go with the latter any day. Adios pro 3 has more bounce and foot propulsion than alphafly. But its a little unstable. Alphafly has corrected all the deficiencies of Vaporfly and adios pro shoes.
“Best” is very personal and subjective here. Personally, the Vaporfly is a far superior shoe here…
But that is the beauty of running shoes in 2023… everyone can find their own favorites.
Nothing can hold a candle to the afv2
That’s definitely heavy personal opinion. But if that is the shoe that works for you… go for it.
Would you compare it to the adios 8?
The VF3 compared to the Adios 8?
@@SagasuRunning yes
Both are making shoes but they don’t compare. The VF3 is a super shoe. The A8 is a (modernized) racing flat. I use the A8 more as a daily trainer… but it’s capable of faster efforts. I still race in a VF3, no questions, no comparison to the A8.
@@SagasuRunning is the A8 okay to use for Easy runs?
I use the A8 as a daily shoe, I find it does well with easy running… though it prefers a bit faster and works best with clean form. But as a daily shoe it keeps you working hard and aware of your mechanics (which I like alot).
What about both the Metaspeed plus-es ?
While the Metaspeeds are fine… I personally don’t think they are in the same tier as Nike and Adidas. Especially going by world major results.
Not a bad shoe but not one for this comparison.
@@SagasuRunningjust saw your latest video basically complimenting the metaspeed sky plus to no end with plenty of direct comparisons to aap3 and vaporfly.
But i thought they arent in the same tier ?
@Ks-fp8dv I’ve had an evolution in my point of view. I am unsure if I’ll race in the Sky+ but for training I’m really enjoying them, for sure.
Also by race results at the elite level.. Nike and Adidas are still ahead, at least on the men’s side.
My thoughts on the overall Asics line though is evolving… a lot more coming this month on it all.
Very well compared 👍🏼
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻
I'm comming from a Nike Pegasus 38 as my all runs shoe, and im preparing a race of 1 mile in track, training 2 times in a week in the track doing fast series and fartlecks and 3 times long runs at easy pace. Is it worth to still use pegasus for easy pace runs and buy one of this for the track days and for the big day? And in this case, which one of this? Im debating between the Vaporfly 3, and the takumi sen 9, because the adios pro 3 doesnt makes sense for this shorter distance, right? FYI: I start running seriously 18 months ago and my actual time in 1 mile run is 5'26''
If you are going to be racing ONLY on a track… I’d look at buying a track spike over any of the shoes in this video. That will be your most optimal shoe for track racing, in fact the race may require you to race in track spikes. I’d look into that before you buy anything.
If you want a shoe that you can race on the track AND road for any distance the Vaporfly 3 is the one to go for, though the Takumi Sen 9 is also a great option if you prefer a stiffer shoe.
Great comparison.
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Is it possible to buy VF1 in NYC?
Unlikely. At this point you only will find it on eBay or resellers. MAYBE randomly at Nike outliers (but don’t hold your breath there).
@@SagasuRunning ok; tnx 🙂
Does new Vapourfly 3 has high arch like Alphafly 2?
Please reply
I assume you mean Alphafly 2… if so, then no. It still has a prominent arch but not to the same degree. I also haven’t seen as many people complaining about it online as it’s not an issue I have with Nike or any running shoe.
I'm using alphafly 2 and I feel very uncomfortable with high arch.
I'm looking for new shoes..
which one will u prefer Adizero Pro2 or new Vapourfly 3?
Thanks for the reply
100% the Vaporfly 3. I have multiple videos on the vaporfly, adios pro 3 and some comparison on this channel. I’d check them out for more detail. It really comes down to your own preferences.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks. I will surely watch your other videos as well.. 👌
Thank you! I have to go with the Vaporfly Next Percent Two. The wide platform doesn't do it for me. IMHO, Nike made the Vaporfly 3 to appeal to everyone and satisfies no one.
I do agree that Nike has been refining their shoes, “dialing in” as I have said in multiple videos… to work for more runners. They have been smoothing the rough edges off, maybe the things that some people liked about the shoes, and making shoes they are whetted versions and work for more people.
The Vaporfly 3 is an outstanding example of this, it’s a MUCH better Vaporfly they more people can use.
But there the beauty of having lots of options in shoes. Finding what you like. It’s also why I’ve just made so much Vaporfly 3 content to help people figure out it it’s a shoe for them… as it’s is so important.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you! I agree with you! You bring insights to the Vaporfly 3 which few others have provided. I admit to having narrow feet and have raced miles to marathons in racing flats, I'm a bit partial to racing fit shoes. Nonetheless, making shoes which work for almond us is great!
@@jackkasperski2912 I never raced in Nike Streak 6/7s but I did ALOT of training miles in them…. As well as Adios 4s and Boston 8/9. There really aren’t any real racing flats out there anymore… sadly!
Thank you for the kind words. 🙏🏻
Which of these shoes is good for wide feet?
Honestly, none of them really. The Adidas Adios Pro 3 and the Nike Alphafly 2 are the only ones that I would even attempt with wide feet.
@@SagasuRunning ohhh so duck footed people like me are very unlucky when it comes to choosing race day shoes 😂
@@krmon1992 Not really… there are solid options from Saucony and the new New Balance SC Elite v4 is supposed to fit wide.
My Takumi Sen 8's have started ripping on the upper after only 60 km approx which I'm sad/annoyed about as, otherwise, they are a fast and fun shoe. I like the stack height for 5k and 10k. TD 9's supposed to be very similar so I think I will hang around for the mythical Takumi Sen Strung 🙂
If we are going to see a TS9 strung, it will be this summer, before fall. Otherwise it won’t be until the TS10. So we will see.
My Adizero Adios 7's upper started ripping around 40 to 50 miles in so, I returned them.
Boomer here, just picked up my first carbon plate shoe, the Puma, deviate nitro elite, paid £94 delivered, Can't wait to see how it goes, initial impression is that it feels good and well cushioned.
I’ve never run in Pumas but welcome to the CF club. They are something else for sure. Especially the firs turns you run in them! Enjoy!
You missed The ASICS Metaspeed here
I didn’t agree when I recorded this video but I have come back around on the Sky+. There will be some Metaspeed content this month (assuming we don’t get a new one).
You're right, adios 3 has cornering problem
The AP3 is a very high platform and LSP is very firm... so yes, no good. It is where I think Adidas designed the Takumi Sen series to handle twisty courses.
I disagree as to the Alphafly not being responsive. I do find it noisy, but it does respond well, and when pushed, this shoe feels like running on springs. I am a forefoot runner with slight leveling and more leveling when tired. You can run hard and long in the Alphafly and feel like you ran half the distance because your legs are just not as beat-up. On the other hand, the Vaporfly has an edge at shorter distances, especially the version 2 of the shoe, simply due to being lighter. For marathon distance, Alphafly can't be beat.
I would have agreed with your thoughts… when we had the VF1/2… which is why I opted for the AF2 for my races in 2022. Also everything you said is why I do like the AF2 for long runs in a marathon build (though I’m no longer even using it for this anymore). Overall I’ve spent a lot of time in both the AF and AF2.
But the VF3 changed all of this. It’s the better fitting, more versatile and much faster shoe that gives you MOST of benefits of the AF2 with much less bulk.
I understand what Nike is doing with the AF line. It’s their ultimate marathon racer, like what adidas is doing with the AP line… and I’m hopeful for the AF3. But the VF3 is the king for Nike racing right now… at all distances.
Though I will accept personal preference applies here… but I don’t know a single person (in my running circle and on the boundaries) who was running still running in a AF2 over the VF3. Even one of my hardcore AF lover friends, who boarded AF1 versions in fear of never getting them again… has switched the the VF3 for all training and racing.
Excellent analysis. But none of those have a racing flat feel. The closest is the takumi sen. If you want a racing flat feel, use a racing flat. Just be ready for that racing flat pain afterwards 😂👍
Agree… the TS9 is the most close but in 2023 few are looking for a real racing flat feel. It looks as if the Adios 8 will be that… so I can’t wait to give that a try!
Thank you for the kind words!
Hmmm....endorphin elite is better than all of these.
That is the beauty of having lots of options out there… finding what works for you.
For me, Saucony just doesn’t work… at all. At all!
So the Takumi sen 9 is full of faults. The Alphafly 2 is like running in mud. The Pro 3 has lots of issues especially the upper. You're talking about some of the best shoes ever sold. You'll never like anything basically! You've been bought and sold by Vaporfly!!!
Ok… you got me. Vaporfly definitely bought me. Damn, I was hoping no one would figure that out. 💰
@@SagasuRunning You really need to lighten up on the criticism. I follow 4 other run shoe testers and not a single one is as picky and fault finding as you. I never ever leave comments but this had to be done. Your reviews are pointless because every shoe is crap according to you, essentially. I will educate you. The Alphafly 2 is a fantastic shoe 10 kms to marathon. The Takumi Sen 9 is a fantastic shoe 1 km to half marathon. The Pro 3 is great at any distance. The Prime X Strung is amazing for smooth hard good surfaces over 10 kms to ultra marathon distances. None of them are the rubbish you claim them to be and i will leave it there and stop following you as you are so far off the truth in 90% of what you say. Honestly, i've never said this to anyone but you talk utter nonsense almost all the time dudey. Bye.
@@SagasuRunning They sure have, clear to see. Open your eyes and your mind wider pal.
@@christopheredale9135 I love the AP3 midsole (upper not so much) and the Metaspeed Sky+ is a great shoe (which I may even race in this fall)… but neither hold a candle to the Vaporfly 3. I have an open mind but there are alot of bad shoes out there in the “super shoe” category…
You'll never be content with any shoe. I've never seen anyone so critical. You'll be telling us there are no good Italian sports cars next!
Well… German cars are quite a bit better… 🏎️
@@SagasuRunning Not as sports cars they are not. I know i've owned plenty of both. Company cars? Yep i will give you that one. SPORTS cars? Forget it. Even the very best 911 is a posh Beetle with the engine in the wrong place. MID engine is where the best sports cars carry their power! 🙂
@@christopheredale9135 If you want to talk mid engine cars, Ayrton Senna developed a masterpiece in the Honda NSX 30’years ago. I’m an F1 fan and respect Ferrari’s legacy and racing heritage… but the other flashy Italian cars or wanna be Ferraris are not in the same league. I agree mid engine is the optimal sports car layout… but RR layout is fun to drive as it RWD… so German cars again. Just sayin’.