Why the Adidas Adios Pro 3 and Takumi Sen 9 are designed to work together
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- In this video I give a short overview of Adidas Running since 2017 and discuss the development of the Adidas Adios Pro, Takumi Sen and Prime X running shoe lines. Additionally, discuss how the Adios pro 3 and Takumi Sen 9 work together and how to build an Adidas marathon racing running shoe rotation.
0:00 Intro
0:24 Background on Adidas Running and Adios Pro development
7:11 Adios Pro 3 & Takumi Sen 9 Specs
9:06 How to build an Adidas marathon racing shoe rotation
13:57 Outro
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I really like the video format! It's nice to get really nerdy about the specs. :)
Thank you! Then you are in the right place for all sorts of shoe nerdery. 🙏🏻
Great video, especially the rotation table. Thanks!
I’m glad it was useful. Thank you 🤙🏻
Great Video, I love racing in the Adios Pro 2, now I have the Takumi Sen 9 and I think I will wait for the Adios Pro 4. I also have the SL and an old Adios 6 which I love
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Sounds like you have all the bases covered. At this point it’s smart to wish for the AP4. Especially if the AP2 is still working for you.
simply great i have the pro 3 and is magic great video
Thank you 🙏🏻
Great shoe rotation idea. I actually have the 3 core shoes that you mentioned (though I have the TS8 not TS9). Though not my 1st choice, i quickly realized they work better for me than other brands.
The TS8 and 9 are basically the same shoe. I feel if you are an adidas runner and they work for you… you like a stiffer shoe and less bouncy foam. So having that core rotation really does cover all the basis.
@@SagasuRunning yeah. Their also well built shoes with resilient foam.
Great review of these trainers I have both shoes thanks
They really do compliment one another well! Thanks for the support.
I have the Pro 3 and love it. Need to get hold of the Sen9 now they are on sale. Perhaps the Boston 12 or Adios 8 could be the perfect daily trainer? We'll see. Liked the video 🤘.
The TS9 is a steal now for the price Adidas has it. The A8 is Adidas’s best daily trainer… by far!
Thank you for the kind words! 🤙🏻
I wish top companies werent so complacent
like imagine if adidas developed the adios pro earlier
I also hope nike continues innovating
I'd say Adidas was complacent prior to the Supershoe era... but they learned there lesson and what they are doing with the TS/AP/PX lines shoes that. I also thinking Nike has a big tech shift coming in the next 2-3 years... plenty of innovation out there.
Takumi sen 8 should arrive tomorrow. But you scared me with the Pro 3 review of the upper 😮
The Takumi Sen 8 or 9 upper is MUCH better. Don’t worry at all.
I have an adidas marathon rotation. Almost exactly like the intended design bit without the primex, sl or ultraboost. Instead i use the solarglide as the workhorse (except long run i use the boston 11) . Lots of people hate on them (both boston 11 and solarglide) because theyre heavy, but the shoes are tanks, boost cushioning (in solarglide)seems to never die or change in temperature extremes, the outsole last forever and grips in any condition. Good vid.
Boost was a great foam in small doses (like the Boston 9) but when you get a lot of it… it just feels mushy to me. I had a pair of Boost something’s years ago as casual shoes and never got on with them for that.
It would be great to get a video about how durable the super shoes are. I've made some purchases for races, but I don't know when I can be comfortable training in them without wearing them out too soon.
Interesting topic. If I did do this o could only really talk about Nike and Adidas as those are are the only two I have a strong sense for race shoe durability. A little but on Asics too. I simply don’t bother with other brands race shoes.
I’ll think about this one though. It is a question I see very often. I want to think about the best way to add value on the subject.
Thanks for the idea!
Yes, it is a useful video.
I used Pro 3 for racing a marathon, SL for daily easy runs and Sen 9 for fast speed workout. I didn’t know Takumi Sen is good for racing 5/10K, now I will save this good pair for a 10K race. I also have Adizero I bought 3 years ago for training on the track. Absolutely love it as it makes me run fast. It has been worn out a bit and wondered if I should buy Boston 12 which is out now. I also have New Balance FuelCell Elite V2 and Vaporfly Next% 2 for long runs. Any comments if I should do anything for my shoe rotations? 😅😅😅😅
I’m glad this video was useful. The Adidas rotation in it should give you a good grounding on how to look at and Adidas rotation.
The new Boston 12 is very much a road shoe that is somewhere between a daily trainer and a tempo shoe… definitely not something for the track.
The new Adios 8 is a good workout shoe and track workout option. I have lots of content about this on my channel.
I’d say the only gap in your shoe lineup would be a non plated softer/bouncier daily trainer option… like an Asics Novablast 3.
I will have a bunch of rotation and shoe pairing videos coming out in the new few weeks. So stay tuned for more.
@@SagasuRunning oh my goodness, I’m thrilled to hear from you promptly. Def I will check out Adios 8 on your channel. May I ask what kind of training I need to wear the bouncier daily shoes?
Also, if I have the NB FuelCell TC which is my tempo run and has been hit the ground to run 450K which is still new…maybe I can wait for a while before spending money to buy Boston 12? What do you think?
Last but not the least, you are a great communicator. Everything is clear, precise and easy to understand. No nonsense! Love it so much!
@@01lsw The New Balance FuelCell Elite V2 you have is essentially the Boston 12, so you don't need the B12 right now. It's an option for tempo training you may want to consider when it's time to replace.
As far as when do you need to run in a softer non-played shoe? I'd say most of the time. The bulk of your running SHOULD be easy and in a non plated shoe ideally. Google "80/20 running" and you'll learn alot about the basics of training. I eventually am going to get to a video about this but it will be a while yet, I have alot to cover first.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm happy to know my content is useful! 🙏🏻
Thank you for your candid response. Super helpful! With a running coach’s assistance to design me a customized program for my past races, I know 80/20 training and have gone through the training cycle based on this approach over the last year and am still taking this approach to prepare for a race to be held next April. For my easy run, I currently wear Adidas SL. Super comfy 😊
@@01lsw oh, then you are good. The SL is Adidas’s daily trainer… a solid shoe to do the bulk of your running. 👍🏻
I have the saucony endorphin speed, do you think it would fit in the rotation in the place of the takumi sen? Thanks mate
It can be used there but is not as fast on shorter workouts or as race ready. Though the ES series is a good tempo trainer pairs with a daily trainer…
Any known feedback of lateral forefoot instability with that unique cut out at the toe off position
It’s there. It’s something you do feel. However you get used to it. I’m actually currently making a video on the AP3 where I’ll bring it up.
@@SagasuRunning appreciate it!
I have the TS9. It is my track/speed shoe. I regret not wearing it over the Nike VF2 in my last 5km race. I think it might have performed better.
I also have the Boston 11, in t is my long run shoe… took 50km to break in but now feels amazing.
I have almost bought the AP3 on several occasions bought will hold out for the 4. Hopefully releases soon.
Ya, at this point it’s smart to just wait for the AP4. It should be soon, at least some info about it.
I love the TS9… but I’m still faster in a VF. Especially over longer distances.
I have the pro 3 and sen 9. Personally, I wouldn't run more than 5 miles in the sen 9. I use it for track intervals and 5k racing. Anything else it just feels too harsh and too unstable. Its literally the opposite to a pro 3 and doesn't even feel like the same foam.
Maybe my sen 9 will soften up but I'd recommend the boston if you want a shoe for training in with a broader reach.
I ran and LOVED the Boston 8 and 9, maybe my favorite Adidas shoe ever. After what they did to the 9 in the 10… I doubt I’ll ever run in a Boston again.
The TS9 is a race shoe. It compliments the AP3 for the shorter distance. Very much by design for Adidas.
I have a question, Im not a marathoner but I love running for fun, long/short distance.
Right now in my collection I have AP3 and Mizuno Wave Rebellion Flash 2.
The WRF2 supposed to be like a super trainer , my question is, since I am not race in marathon or anything, right now I run everyday from 5 till 20km and rest on Friday and Saturday.
1. how can I utilized my shoe on rotation both the mizuno and ap3?
2. Is it okay to run everyday with AP3? What is the durability for this shoe?
3. In term of running, what is the best practices that you always incorporate in your daily, like how many kms, what are you aiming for (if not target for marathon) (Really hope you can do a full video on your daily running practices, for non marathon and marathon period) 😁.
ps : I love AP3 and feels like running in them everyday 😅. And since I have the mizuno trainer , i dont feels like buying another pair of Boston 12 or anything yet.
I love your content as it keeps us engaging till the end.
To answer your questions…
1). The Mizuno is your trainer and the AP3 is your racer. Since you don’t race I’d save that for faster running. You are missing a non plated daily trainer. I’d highly recommend finding one you like and running in that how mostly, then the Mizuno for slightly faster running and the AP3 for only the fastest runs you plans.
2). The AP3 is a super shoe, though it is one of the most durable. I can’t put a number on how long they will last as it differs for everyone… but I wouldn’t worry about the durability since you aren’t racing and training to race.
3). That is no one size fits all here. It comes down to understanding your own running and how your body reacts and recovers. Since you don’t race or train for racing I’d say just enjoy your running. Go out when you wish and aim for adding 2-3kms per week to your Overall running distance until it feels unmanageable.
Thank you for the support. I’m glad you did my content valuable! 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning thanks as always! would love to see more content about your running practices and how you manage the time! ❤️
@subhi2698 I’ve worked on that video a few times… but never published. Possibly this year. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning cant wait!
Sir, after watching this video I decided to go with Adidas Prime X (also got better discount), now i'm bit confused after watching other reviews of stability and it causes ankle rolling etc.. any thoughts or should i return? what is you suggestion for long running (40 kms)from Adidas? thank you.
I’m not a fan of the Prime X. I do find it very unstable and unpleasant to run in. I also have strong ankles and have no issue with high stack shoes… but the Prime X is just too much going on. I see it more and an experiment from Adidas than a serious running shoe.
So I’d return it.
40km is not a short run, so I assume you have some fitness and running experience. From Adidas I’d recommend the Adios Pro… at this point I’d also want for the Adios Pro 4 (which should be out in the coming weeks). The Adios Pro 3 is a great midsole but the upper is a total nightmare (see my review on this channel).
@@SagasuRunning Thank you sir, on the way to return.. I don't think they will be happy to refund instead, if they ask me to pick another shoes (I'll wait for Adios 4), what would you recommend? I saw them having SL and Solar Boost, Boston etc.. any suggestions for long run?
@@Hana_shorts8436 Avoid the Boost shoes altogether… they are more casual shoes than anything. You don’t want toe SL, it’s a daily trainer. The Boston would work well for long runs… but the Boston 12 will be out I. A week or two I think… so it also makes sense to wait.
I still think the AP4 is your best bet though.
@@SagasuRunning Duly noted. As I said.. I'm on the way to return Prime X as I take your expertise seriously and I love watching all your videos. Keep up your good work.. thanks for your advice, it means a lot to me. Cheers!
Would the Pro3 be a better option for a 10k race than the TS9 in the case of a heavier runner?
Most likely Les. Just because there is more shoe and a wider platform on the AP3. The TS9 is very narrow and extremely lightweight.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for helping me out!
Anyway, also for a 10k most elites still seem to prefer the pro 3 over the TS9, so you probably can’t go wrong with it?
@@davidosolo The TS9 is a very extreme shoe. Very stripped down 5k racer. Which is why it’s not used as much and as often. It’s a great shoe but just very extreme. The AP3 is a much more mild choice.
How does the lightstrike pro feels compare to the zoomx?
Funny you should ask. This is the topic of my next video. It will be live this weekend.
The short of it is ZoomX = bouncy & LSP = firm... but it's more complex than that.
@@SagasuRunning great! Looking forward to it.
Hi there… great reviews…which of these should complete easy runs best? Tnx
@ivanarsovski6243 Adidas doesn’t exactly make great easy run shoes… but either the Adizero SL or the Boston 12 are going to be the ones you want to look at.
Thank you for the kind words on the content! 🤙🏻
Would love to have a video like these for NIKE as well. Personally i think the vaporfly 3/ AF are designed to work with nike free or flex as an all rounder training shoe.
That’s one of my first videos.
How to build a Nike Running road shoe rotation for 2023
ruclips.net/video/K66UypcyWmw/видео.html
The VF is designed to work with the Pegasus. The free/flex series are not part of the Nike performance range and are more casual shoes now. You can run in them but they are budget trainers at best. Not like the free series of old (which I did love).
@@SagasuRunning nice! Thank you! Love this video
Glad it was useful.
I want a shoe for 100m ,400m sprints and also for 5-10k fast running... But i want something stability As much as possible. Do you have any to recommend?
The only things they come to mind for all of that… which is a big range of stuff… would be the Nike Streakfly (fast and low stack), the New Balance Rebel V3 (a little slower than the Streakfly) or the Takumi Sen 9. None of these shoes are “stable” but they are all low stack and good for speed and 5/10ks.
@@SagasuRunning I think about takumi sen 9 but They say it is quite unstable... What about adios pro 3?
Watch my last video on the Adios Pro 3… also the Adios Pro 3 is neither a shoe for sprinting AND is rather unstable. The Takumi Sen 9 os much more stable compared to it. But neither shoe is a “stability” shoe by any means.
@@SagasuRunning i want something stable for fast runs... Do you know any such shoe?
@@Spearfishingboy see my above comments. It’s going to be one of those three shoes. Good luck.
Did you have ambition to reviewing NB sc E or sc T?
Never say never… but currently there are not any NB shoes that interest me. Though if they do a Rebel V4… I may cover that.
Ok🙂 i never had NB; but I step i store (in Vienna) in sc elite and i like softness (probably after AP3 firmness)
NB FuelCell foam is definitely on the softer side, especially when compared to LSP.
very disappointed that the mesh upper on my sen 9s split in both insteps after just 210km/ 4 months of use. adidas rejected my warranty claim giving no more information other than to refer to the t&c of their returns policy. assumption is that their warehouse deemed that i was using the shoe for other than 'running' which is completely incorrect.
I’ve grown to really dislike the mesh material that Adidas use on most of their shoes. It’s a no give material and harsh on the feet as well as being very delicate once it’s passed about 80-100km of use. The fatigue point is very low.
I have the pro 3 and had the pro 2 as well.. As an average runner I am starting to realise that these super stiff plated shoes only come to life at speeds I can no way hold for a marathon or even half maraton.. (4:20min/km or faster that is not sustainable for me) I am looking at the Boston 12 perhaps a better fit for an average runner like me. Let's stop kidding ourselves here :/
I love the AP3 for 4:45/km pace and below, it's a nice rolling training shoe.
But, yes...they come alive at faster speeds, all attainable by non-elite average runners. We CAN still get gains from the stiffer shoes.
Though it is quickly diminishing returns with over a 4hr marathon time. Which is the the use case of the Boston 12... and the Asics Superblast , Hoka Mach X, and the Nike Zoom Fly 5 (among others).