How Far Can You Go On One EMTB Battery ? | ROCKY MOUNTAIN ALTITUDE POWERPLAY DYNAME 4.0 RANGE TEST !
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How Far Can You Go On One EMTB Battery ? | ROCKY MOUNTAIN ALTITUDE POWERPLAY DYNAME 4.0 RANGE TEST !
Riders this was a very long day in the saddle, I hope you liked my Extreme range test on the Rocky Mountain altitude powerplay with the Dyname 4.0 motor from Rocky Mountain. It is RANGE Monster but maybe not for all the mountain bikers out there. Let me know in the comments if this motor is for you and if not what is your favourite Ebike motor.
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Legend Riders i have just gone through the comments and some of you are saying I didn't have it in the highest assistance, I went into the Rocky Mountain display on the bike and upped all the settings before the test but maybe I got something wrong not sure. All I can say its a range monster but I had to work hard.
Did you go through the settings and adjust any of the parameters? I guess it depends what you're looking for. I have a 2022 RM Instinct and personally I want the little bit more effort required. To help maintain fitness. Yesterdays ride was 32km only 675m climbing but all single track except maybe 1 km of road. I came home with 18% left in the bank and averaged 12km speed, If you're somewhat fit the rocky is a fantastic bike I really like being able to to any power adjustments on the jumbotron and not having to use my phone there are 3 different tunes you can pick from 2 are custom 1 is factory default. You can set the amount of boost to determine how much assist you get. I like to scale it back to-2 to avoid wheel spin as I do a lot of technical climbing. One problem I did have was I couldn't buy my bike locally as the dealer had none so be aware if it's not from you're local dealer you will have to pay the labor on any warranty repairs which I find total BS on a 9000.00 bike. But that aside I would buy another one in a heartbeat
Thanks for the comment mate, i did look for a app in the App Store but nothing came up so I tweaked all the setting in the display maybe I got something wrong ? I did find I needed to put more Effort in but what amazing range
There you go riders... I have ben trying to test the Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay for so long... its good not sure I'm a fan full review dropping soonish on the channel.
Wow! Thank you for doing this analysis...finally!! I've been waiting for this bike for a long time. I can say that it's the best of all worlds to have such a powerful motor but to put the work into it with a more natural feeling than other motors.
Rocky mountains come with the assist level turned way down for some reason. Program it to make it equal to the others and you will be verrry pleased.
Mate do you do this in the app or in the display? I went into the display and tweaked all the settings.
@@SamsBikes there is no app. Just put boost +1 or +2 in the settings and it feels more similar to the other motors. Just way more natural and more powerful. No motor like the Dyname 4.0 and good to see somebody is featuring the best in class.
Ok mate thanks i did do this but I didn’t notice a big difference. Maybe I didn’t do it right! I was a very busy week doing all the testing
Another informative video. Nice job.👍😉
Yes, I can't wait
Wow! Thats an interesting one. Keep going mate, we r going with you 🤗
Thanks Mario it was a long day
I agree, fantastic Bikes if you can put the effort it need, very acurate test !!
Thanks mate
Nice review Sam, just watched it with my friend who has Dyname 3.0 Not too many tests on 4.0, so this is really helpfull...
Glad it was helpful mate! Some of riders are saying I didn’t have the motor in the highest setting I’m pretty sure they are wrong 😑 but only had the bike for 7 days
@@SamsBikes not sure, because 3.0 is really different from 4.0 :)
Interesting find. 👍
Thanks sir
Nice one Sam .
Many thanks Deano sir
Hey super solid test my friend.
Checking in from British Columbia, Canada. I'm hoping you can help me with some further intel.
As noted in numerous comments below, there are different boost levels available in each power/trip settings. Were you running neutral/factory setting most of the day? I ask because my C90 2022 is constantly overheating and showing these prompts almost every time I head out on a big ride. The fact that you were able to pound that bike in Ludicrous mode until the battery wore out without overheating is frustrating. This makes me wonder if I need to constantly be in a neutral boost setting or even possibly in the negatives. If so, this would be a terrible move by Rocky on the new motor and would also explain why you were working your ass off on the test. I spent a lot of money on my bike and this issue of overheating is having a brutal effect on my ride experience. I am a return customer after riding a 2019 with the old Dyname 3.0. That motor was a horse and never limited my climbs due to temperatures although it did need replacing at around 2500 kms.
Any thoughts from yourself or commenters would be really appreciated. Thanks
❤great vídeo !!!
Thanks
time to TEST the improved Shimano EP801 hehe
If you want more of the Bosch / Shimano like assistance, then you have to up the Boost level setting to +2. I find that in that support mode i do not get more tired than my old E8000.
What boost level setting were you riding in this comparison?
Hey mate, do you do this in the app or in the display? I went into the display and tweaked all the settings for the most power I could get. Maybe I did something wrong but a week to get a full test was hard going for me.
@@SamsBikes You have to go in the Display to the Tune settings. You know, where you can select Factory / Tune A / Tune B. For Tune A & B you can adjust the Boost setting. If you set one of those tunes to +2 "Super Boost" and then make sure that that tune is also activated(!), it will give you way more support. +2 comes closest to Shimano and Bosch feeling.
The difference between 0 (default) and +2 is night and day.
Ok 👌 I’m pretty sure I did that but maybe I did something wrong it was a very busy week.
I like the power and the assistance that the Brose motor provides and the adjustability of the Mission Control and the ride app the Bosch would be my second choice just don’t like the integration seems like there behind Spec in that regard
Tried the Rocky before I bought my levo and was not a fan of the motor at all!
Nick I would have to say I wasn’t very impressed with the motor
They don't show obvious switching off above 25kph so there is energy saving there with this motor
I took the rm a50 and I'm happy. The only thing I relied on and heard from you was the 108nm motor being the most powerful. I had the 85 nm bosch and with the turbo it was more explosive and copious than the 4.0 dyname. I did a "recovery" with a friend of mine who has the bosch in turbo and I in ludicrous and we were even though my leg was more trained than his
I forgot to write that I calibrate the bike every outgoing and boost was +2
So you have to put more effort like a normal mtbike, real? I think I like this and not let me carry as my bosch gen 4 on trek rail 5. But when you push on pedals you feel the force? I'll get e new rm a50 next month
Love your videos! I was under the impression that this motor was more based in the amount of torque you apply to the chain than the speed you turn it. I thought that was what the new torque sensor was for... Did you tried or can you give it a try to a lower cadence in a higher gear, so you have mor tension in the chain to see if that makes a difference. A least that's what if seen people do with it in my local trails...
Thank you! I tried everything wasn’t a massive fan of this motor
@@SamsBikes Really!!! Can you tell me why? I am between the Altitude Powerplay or the Canyon Spectral-ON for my next ebike. Will love to hear your opinion between them!
It would be great to also do a video for SyncDrive Sport.
It is really helpful to review other mid and low-range systems available because there are people who are also buying them. Thanks!
This is fake sorry
They are sending fake messages to other people as well..
Please check the comments.
Interesting, is the power delivery adjustable in any modes like Specialized Mission Control allows?
Hey Rick, I would have to stay the display is pretty micky mouse 🐁 I couldn’t find the app in the App Store. Yes you can’t tweak some setting not even close the Mission Control but. Not really a fan
that is one sexy emtb!
So doing the Maths Sam.
The Bosch did 1431metres with a heart rate of 125bpm.
If you take the 1431 metres and devide it by the heart rate 125 and then multiply it by 149 your heart rate on the rocky mountain you get 1705. So I'm guessing the difference between what went in and what came out in terms of metres climbed is actually pretty close on all the motors..... Except the EP8 😂😂
But you are faster with the Rocky … if the cadence is lower… and youre heartrate is 125 … you can Go as fast as the Bosch … but you can change the Parameters on the Display … lower Input - More Power from the Motor … if you are a lazy bastard 🤣🤟🏼
@@xaverd5724 If the perameters can be changed it's a shame Sam didn't set it up the same way as all the other motors.
It's hard to compare without riding the bikes on the same day on the same mountain.
@@xaverd5724 Hard to say which motor is faster. I do know about the Bosch. I have ridden the race motor and I know it has won power stages at EWSE. I don't think the Rocky mountain has. The motor alone doesn't make a bike fast up or down the hill. The bike and the way it's set up for the rider makes a big difference as well. For 2023 we will stick with the Bosch for our assault on the EWSE championship. It's tried tested and proven. Is the bike Sam tested your bike?
Hey Phil I was really up against it on this test 7 days and I tried to do everything haha! I did go into the screen and I turned everything up ⬆️ but maybe I missed something. In my opinion it’s not a great system to hard to access the power. It’s like a rotor motor only pulls in very high RPM
@@SamsBikes On paper the high 108nm of torque sounds great. The real world is often different. Still a big day for you to test the rage mate. Not surprised you needed a couple of days to recover 😂
Hey I was wondering how powerful is this compared to Shimano ep8 for example is a Shimano ep8 have the same power as this bike on 3 bars
Hey Dom the dyname is very powerful but hard to access the power I would try and test ride one before buying it
Did you adjust the bikes settings in the settings menu or use the default mode?
I used the default settings
@SamsBikes love your review, but you really need to be measuring YOUR power input - something independent like some power-meter pedals.
This way the stats can be consistent between bikes and transferable to other riders expected experience.
HR as a 'gauge' of effort really only applies to you and for relativity, but can fluctuate a fair bit even between a hot / cold days let alone after a session on the VB's LOL
Spinning at a high cadence doesn't necessarily require more 'effort' (or strength) but does require good cardio fitness Vs a slow(er) cadence that doesn't demand as much cardio fitness.
You'll see the 'roadies' referring to 'Spinners' Vs 'Grinders' and maybe the Dyname4.0 is more of a 'Spinners' Motor for those that go straight to the 51t at first sight of an incline??
Hey mate I totally get you but this was the guy next door test never is meant to be Scientific I put it down to the feel of the motor and what range I actually get. I was impressed with the range but didn’t like having to spin the motor or 3 hours. If was was going to get a power meter what would you recommend? I need to be on the pedal because it’s needs to be compatible with every system
@@SamsBikes 100% know what you mean - and some form of review is way better than none 😉and yours are way better than that, so keep up the good work.
Garmin do the Rally Pedals that talk to your head-unit, can just go single sided even.
That way you can do all your tests at a 'capped' input effort (ie. 150w) and the output is the vert-gained / distance travelled by the motor/battery, human variable removed. Can see from the comments other peeps claiming 1700m vert on their Levo, but guarantee (relatively speaking) they were pumping in plenty of personal-watts to achieve that...
You should adjust the boost to +1 alote easier
I did go into the screen and turned everything had high as I could.
Did you Up boost level +2?….This will get your heart rate down/ possibly less elevation providing a closer comparison to the others.
Mate do you do this in the app or in the display? I went into the display and tweaked all the settings.
On the Jumbotron display using the handlebar buttons you can select power settings and from there select Boost…. There are 5 different levels (-2 thru +2)
The stock factory setting is 0… but you can change it using the handlebar controller.
From my understanding the increased boost level allows the power to be accessed with less pressure on the pedals. I just recently changed my setting two +2 which definitely lessened my workload.
I also am lucky to have done a comparison with a gen 3 and other motors and you’ll never get the Rocky to have “run on” like all the others but it will definitely make a difference.
Thanks for the information I did do that in the display maybe 🤔 I didn’t tweak all settings I only had a week for all the testing it was very busy
Hey Sam
Question…. Did you receive a notification on the Jumbotron while riding in ludicrous regarding reduced power due to motor temperature to high?
It is very simple, the RM multiply the rider’s torque by less than the other brand, but it top at a higher torque (108 vs 90)
For example (not necessarily the good number) All other give a 4x multiplier, which mean you only have to put 30nm for the motor to give 90 nm, for a total of about 120nm combine (4x the rider input). Anymore effort from the rider won’t make a difference on the motor output.
The RM the multiplier is less, for example 3x, so the same 30nm rider input will get 60nm from the motor for a total of 90nm. So for the same effort, you get less. You need to put 40nm to get 80nm from motor, thus making it 120nm total.
But you can also put 54nm getting 108nm, total 162nm. Now you’re faster than the other bike!
It is also why you get more range, because you have to put more effort for the same total output, which is showed by his higher heartrate.
Thanks for the informative commenting rider
@@SamsBikes also why I've suggested you 'measure' your input effort (ie. with some power meter pedals) when doing these tests/comparisons 😉
What has happened to the long term review of the Rocky
Mate it’s coming I’ve been very busy also I have reached out to Rocky Mountain and waiting on their reply!
My Bulls Sonic with EP8 only Boost mode makes 1500m easy, with 725wh. And Im like 15kg+ 😂
Very good range mate!
but.........I have an 800wh battery so your gonna have to do the test all over again. 🙂
Hahaha 😝
Is it possible to raise the assistance level to keep the heart rate down? Sounds like a proper workout :D
Yes you can change the boost mode from -2 to +2 where 0 is the default. +2 gives more of a Bosch / Shimano level of support.
Is that in the app or screen?
Where’s the overall bike review?
It would be really nice if you could put miles next to your Meters and KM’s on your videos. It would help me and I’m sure a lot of other people as well.
Do you worry about taking the battery all the way to zero?
great review Sam. trying to find these in the uk is impossible. unicorn horns are more common!!
Zerobikes normally has stock mate 👍🏻 Chat with Allan at the shop.
Thanks for the heads up I’ll ask some mates and see if we can find one