I don't like being judged or inspected by box-ticking narcissists. Not do I like being subjected to what are basically protection rackets. That's why I've let all my "cards" expire and have no immediate desire to work in the electrical industry again. The irony being that these organisations are also responsible for the one-day slideshows with open-book tests that are being used to circumvent real training by replacing it with liability transfer.
I hate to say it, but hearing stories like this make me thankful for the system we use instead. It sounds like to me, engerneres who couldn't be a electrician are telling people that the clipboard says the job is done wrong just to justify a pay check. We have them on some jobs too, but its more or less a construction companys rep rather then being a state appointed moron.
That´s a proper rant. They do that in the food industry, too. If someone fails as a butcher, they can always be health inspectors, because they take everyone they possibly can. Nobody wants to do that job just shouting at people every day and leaving very expensive fines and constraints. You could complain, but if you do, they´ll send someone over to add something to the list and they can shut your business down instantly. As one of those guys was about to retire, he basically apologized for what he´s done for decades. He tried to be nice in the end. Nice move, but too late.
Perhaps the reason why you need to label them is because not everyone can see colors..... And to make it more idiot proof or something like that or should I say idiot resistant. 😂
This seems sufficiently widespread that someone ought to compile a representative sample and confront Ozev about it, pointing out the losses their subcontractors' errors have caused, and OZEV's potential legal liability for costs of unnecessary work dealing with it, as well as reputational damage by informing customers that work is substandard when it isn't. A FOIA request for the process used to appoint their subcontractors might also be interesting. Assuming the auditors are known, and are members of a professional body, a complaint to that body is also probably in order.
@@tcpnetworks One would hope their respective NICEIC, NAPIT or other approved contractor body would be firmly on their side. Not in bed with EV auditors.
Sounds like MOTs for cars. I've had advisories on mine one year, then magically not the next year. A friend of mine who does up cars said its due to the MOT tester. If you get one on the take, they'll make stuff up which magically disappears the next year if its either a different tester or the original tester just doesn't remember what they made up the year before.
When the inspector is wrong, they MUST be held accountable. They need to be fined or sacked when they are wrong. When they lie they need to be removed from being an inspector. Name the inspectors and hold them accountable.
@@husher5142 I think that the inspector should have sufficient knowledge, training and experience not to make those simple errors. If the inspector does not. Then why are they an inspector! When wrong this costs people money. Reputation and livelihood. We should expect and demand more from our government employees.
@@stevejh69 not necessarily we are all human and learn at different pacing. I could hired 5 different senior network techs and they will all have strength and weaknesses based on their experience.
@@husher5142 Thanks husher. But. There has to be accountability when they are wrong. This can cause people to be fired. Bills to be not paid. And being able to walk away without any consequences is unacceptable.
@@stevejh69 100% You cant audit people on work this serious and not be held accountable for the severity of your judgement be it right or wrong without some accountability. It's people's livelihoods at stake. Cory is clearly a competent electrician for what he does. To suggest he isn't safe or careful or thoughtful about his work is ridiculous. No one should be able to just pass judgement on electrical work and attempt to penalise without suffering the same penalty. They should know as understand as much and they expect someone like Cory to know and understand
Get the inspector to explain why he said what he said, and to show onsite what he thinks is wrong, Cory please keep up the good work you are one in a million.
I had the same problem with my audit of an EV charge point install. I referred all of the C2 C3 and the whole audit report to NICEIC. This is a widespread issue and many contractors have complained to NICEIC who have now taken this up at senior level with OZEV and SRElectrical who did many of the audits. After a while NICEIC came back to me and rebutted all four of the C2s saying they were either invalid or C3s at worst. Many of the other points on the audit were nonsense. It has caused a bit of a shitstorm and I am more worried about reputational damage because the loons doing the audits also write to customer of the install saying there are problems. Really pissed me off but thanks to NICEIC for standing up against this.
If it was my house I'd want to know if there was a chance my electrical installation was defective or dangerous. Customer's house, customer's money = customer needs to know.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 he is certainly not complaining that people receive a letter is something is below par. It is a massive issue that the inspectors are not good enough.
Too much obsession with codes and getting the right code. It's more important to list the defects, provide that to the customer and make a recommendation which ones must remediated, and that is determined as to whether there is an electric shock risk or fire risk.
As a full-time electrical inspector, I agree with you fully Cory. Every time I note a defect it has to have an ACTUAL regulation that it relates to, but this takes nit-picking above and beyond anything reasonable.
Is it reasonable to assume the man was ignorant of the work being done and therefore thought all points regarding retrospective and non applicable works were valid?
My Grandad lives in a sheltered accommodation,,and recently he had a radiator put in,,,,1 guy came to put it in....2 guy came to check it had been done appropriately. 3 guy came to check the checker...........
@@JoneKone The IET regulations are NOT law. The Building Regulations are the law. If you fail to follow IET regulations you can't be prosecuted. If an accident occurs and someone is injured, then the HSE can come down and take a look at what happened, and they take into consideration the failures to comply with the IET Regs.
reminds me of a free mot test i got done at halfords, it passed but boy did he nitpick the hell out of it. brake pedal rubber a bit worn and slippery - it was just a little bit worn, not slippery at all. phone mount on windscreen - every other mot tester just removes it - they had to put it on the mot results. i chalked this up to that they have to show their superiors that they are scrutining the work and giving it an easy pass so they nitpick and find any fault they can record.
Hi Cory, as a serving firefighters the need to apply metal fixings to a cable located 200mm from the floor is absolute rubbish. The reg was introduced after firefighters died after being entangled in a high level retro fit install. If those original cable clips are going to fail prematurely, there won't be fire crews any where near it! Great work 👏
It's just an auditor on a power trip. These types have so little power everywhere else and are insecure about it to the point they are now going mad when they get into any positions which has some form of it.
@@snackentity5709 at the same time not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. But these will get kicked back and make them look worse to the boss imo
@@migo70 I get that not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. I'm just trying to imagine the range of possible motives behind the behavior. The place I work has a company-wide auditor that comes in every year and he's real cool and practical. But then we have a customer auditor that comes in when we work on projects for them and he seems nice, but always finds SOMETHING to write down, no matter how inconsequential. He doesn't appear to be power tripping or have a big ego, which is why I'm wondering about other motives like trying to appear diligent and impactful for the boss-man. Buy yea I agree, if an *astute* boss sees a lot of junk write-ups, they would probably not like that from a reputation perspective.
I agree with almost everything, but have to say, time mark 18:40 .. having another RCD upstream without a time delay does not make anything 'less safe' just more irritating if it trips in both places, or if you go to the charger only to find it's tripped in the consumer unit. I've come across 3 RCDs in a row before, C3 all the way. Lack of selectivity is sloppy but not dangerous. (With obvious exceptions like a hospital DB with a bank of 30mA RCBOs and an 30mA RCD main switch, for example, where the RCD main switch might trip and take out all the RCBOs feeding medical equipment)
I wouldn’t take it personally. The auditors report numbers back to the governing body. If they didn’t find anything wrong, what are they for? Imagine all the UK installs shown as a load of graphs in a presentation, that’s all the “results” showing trends etc. All the auditors are doing is justifying their own existence. Even if you did it 100% right (which it already was) they would still find fault because they have too 👍🏻
It should be mandatory that the audits are done while the installer is present. Like the yearly NIC EIC assessment, then discussions regarding C1's, 2's and 3's can be had at the time. The last thing a contractor or a customers wants to hear is that an install that cost a lot of money is ' DANGEROUS ' . Things like this can badly damage people's businesses. Another government cash cow 🐄 scam if you ask me
The work you do is the best I have ever seen there was no CODE 1 or CODE 2 you can see that you care about the work you do Cory keep the good workmanship up 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Whoever did the audit clearly doesn’t have a clue but likes to quotes a few regs to make money and everyone’s life difficult. Let’s face it, the person sat in the ozev office won’t be from an electrical background and will just see the codes that are written and call the job a fail
I exclusively do EICRs for a living, and this sounds like yours was done by someone with no experience (which is fine, experience takes time), but more damningly they weren't working with someone who does have experience in order to learn from them. It's one thing being qualified but you absolutely need time with an experienced tester to really learn the job. There was nothing there worth more than a C3, because as you say, current regs only relate to current installs and if older work met regs at the time of install and are still perfectly serviceable there is no legal requirement to change anything. Plus, you are absolutely not responsible for the entire installation if you come in to add a circuit or change a socket etc., and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Can't you make an official complaint?
@@brianwoodruff4891 I guess this isn't an EICR - it's an audit using the EICR as a framework. But otherwise I generally agree although many may not have done install work for a very long time so I'm not an advocate of people having to follow a proscribed route - the test is competence. Clearly the C2's in this are completely incorrect, they'd be nit-picking to call them C3's.
That's exactly what I was thinking, it sounds like someone fresh out the box reading regs and not understanding what they actually mean. Sometimes a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge.
When I used to do final production test of nuclear medicine instruments, we had a QA inspector who felt he had to find something to write up. He would spend a half day looking until he found something. We got to where we would leave a loose screw so he could "find" it.
NICEIC "auditors" worked like this in the region I used to work. One of my colleagues was in exactly the same situation: his company always left an easy to locate "noncompliance" for the auditor to write up. The auditor always looked pleased to have been able to tick all the boxes and complete the paperchase and made everyone's day go much more smoothly. "I have to find something" he said, "no installation is perfect." My colleague's favourite was to leave one light cable trailing over the ceiling grid not clipped up on the suspenders, or in one room he'd "forget" to earth the grid. Of course he couldn't include the same fault every time because that would be written up as "issues unrectified, failure to improve"! This is one reason everyone I worked with used to hate dealing with NICEIC, back in the days before they merged with Elecsa. No idea what they are like today; I'm not in that part of the industry currently, but I'd be interested to know...
There are people like this everywhere. I worked with a few in the software world. Usually older, close to retirement age types that seemed allergic to enthusiasm. Eventually we learned to leave low hanging fruit for them. One guy, we'll call him Calvin, would always quote 2 or three problems with any software plan we'd put together for some work. So we'd make two or three obvious gaffs, prepare solutions for them in advance, wait until he took a week of being idle to cite them, fix them and get the plan cleared. It became a bit of a joke in the end.
@deang5622 Yes, my father had an audit done a while ago for his taxes. He kept meticulous notes and complied 100%. He got audited, auditor was there 3 days going over everything and and eventually gave my dad some really BS minor couple things that were basically non-issues.. My dad asked him what was wrong with what he did. He said, okay look, my job is to audit stuff and to find things wrong, if I dont find something wrong then it doesn't look good on me. You did extremely well, and anyother time I would never even notes these, but I cant come back with an empty report. Going forward my dad always left something minor that was somewhat easy to find that wouldnt result in a fine to speed up the process
It stinks of corruption and possibly some contractors that don't know the field they are working in... i too would like to know what the incentive structure is to find issues.. keep us upto date Cory.
This is becoming a common issue with the audits. I even know they have been mixing up sites with other sites and even putting the wrong contractors on the reports I have a sneaky suspicion they have to find something on the audits to justify their job
There’s tons of dodgy findings on these audits for a whole bunch of installers I know! We had a finding which I totally disagreed with, I’ve challenged the findings, and they’ve passed off the audit with no further action. Crazy. This is definitely some kind of profiteering exercise for the auditing companies.
Jordan should be able to have the inspector meet you on site to discuss his findings and Artisan Electrical should also be able to complain to the inspectors employer. If I was the inspector I would have no problem appearing on your vlog to discuss the issues
Agreed, based on this auditing example, if you installed an additional socket in say a classroom dado trunking, but the Main Switch located in another building miles away from this classroom isn't labelled "Main Switch" you wouldn't be compliant, complete nonsense
Atleast we can all be glad that the NICEIC is now building a case to audit the auditors due to a very high number of complaints of incorrect details and classifications.
You guys need to go to the mgt of OZEV and have a sit down on camera with them about this, and show them what they are reporting on exactly. I would pay to watch that. 👍💲💲
Oh dear! It is ridiculous. I don’t know much behind ev chargers but you are clearly a very well managed company that specialise in EV chargers so how would you mess it up
As a retired approved electrician (doesn’t mean very much now I realise!) and after listening and watching your video I would be very happy to have you work on any electrical installation job I have ever worked on during the 35 years of running jobs, weather industrial or domestic. Keep up the good work young man.
I would like to say to Cory, congratulations with maintaining your smile and positive, moderate and frankly superhuman demeanour during your 'rant'. Me, I'd have been hurt, then angry, then steaming. It's absolute corruption, and I hope that the company who performed this audit and the others you've heard about get publicly shamed. It's toxic and has no place in British industry. I'm very tempted to write to my MP which I've only ever done once!
It's not corruption. It's the inspectors justifying their jobs and in turn the inspector's boss happily bean-counting the defects to show his boss, and so on up the chain. Good old British bureaucracy. Plus ca change,........................
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Would a good electrician serve in a regulatory body rather than do real work? What do you think? :-)
Not an electrician myself, but get the same type of "audit" within the fire/alarm/cctv industry, to say its annoying at times is an understatement, so I can appreciate your frustration with this. Keep up the brilliant video's and great content, its very much appreciated.
The guy inspecting it is either incompetent or never done any electrical work in his life. Or was his 1st day on the job after doing an online course and swallowed the book
Can you all appeal en-mase to whoever decides who should get audited? A class action in the OZEV court of appeal as it were. If nobody complains "offically" it'll just continue
Nothing wrong with the cable outside, it will not hinder any escape in a fire situation. The code is more about a fire inside a building where cables can be hanging down and firefighters getting entangled and losing their lives, I have been in that situation, and is not a nice thing to happen. I think that the inspector is taking things too far and insulting the memory of those who have been killed shame on him.
Brilliant! Definitely something odd behind these audits, either inexperience or some form of payment for failed installations. Follow the money. This was also riveting, and I suggest should be on prime-time TV. “Code 2, you’re covered in poo” 😜
I agree with most of what you've said here, bare in mind I'm not an electrician I just enjoy this type of content. That said at 12:50 you stated if you can't identify by colour you shouldn't be inside the consumer unit. That isn't true. Some electricians are colour blind. There's no law stopping them from being an electrician. Just pointing this out. Not intended to nit pick or anything. Keep up the great content
They Just shouldn’t be able to bid behind the screen, if he’s coding an install u have done as unsafe you should be able to ask why and question him on it.
@@corynoahmac if at first u don’t succeed try try and try again. It would be worth it just to give u peace of mind and reassure urself your not going loopy 🤔🤔😉😉😉😉. After all that elec van JORDAN got is as much use as a horse 🐎 and u might of been confused with a 🤠🤠🤠 if u turned up in that ( after a 24 h journey with 5 charging stops) 💦 🦆 🔙
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen! Fair play for doing the completely unnecessary remedial work! This is just another reason why I'm happy I don't do EV
Only realy recommend to client if they stay in a high lighting strike area . Some insurance companies now want it and there is maps for venerable areas due to claims
I share your frustration !!!!I am a retired electrical technician ,I have designed and installed three phase breaker boards and carried out three phase installations and single phase installations in commercial industrial and domestic situations .I was part regulated for a time ….my opinion then and even more so now it’s a joke ,a money making scam for organisations /regulators .Why someone who has past all the required exams and have all the qualifications now has to do a course so they know how to install 3 phase supply so they can fit outlets for car charging !So glad to be out of the trade .
Its the same on alot of sites either people coming straight from a desk not having a scooby or just complete and utter lemons that've been reading too many books
I’ve dealt with auditors now for the last 3 years where I work and I get the feeling that when a company hires another company to audit they always find something to justify them being there and that’s what it’s about they have to find something probably to get paid. Quoting a non existent regulation. What’s that all about? Funny thing is I bet if you looked at their work it would be substandard you tend to find.
Hey. I've been watching a lot of your videos. I would rather hire you guys, rather some random spark (we need some work done). The quality and professionalism that I see is outstanding
I’m a firefighter in Australia. The first thing done at a domestic house fire is to turn off the main switch! The only wiring that worries us is the connection between the street and the main switch. Damaged cables will have tripped before we get there usually FFS. Keep up the good work
The regs mentioned here to do with firefighters aren't about the cables being live. It's about making sure cables aren't going to fall down in the event of a fire (for instance if held by plastic clips that quickly melt) which could entangle anyone still in the building. And the clown doing the auditing here saw that armoured cable, running about ankle height straight along the outside wall, and decided it posed a risk of the clips melting and the cable entangling someone. Ridiculous.
Serious Cory mode engaged. Good job you are extremely competent and experienced, and this should be water off a ducks back. There probably are a load of incompetent muppets slinging in chargers that do need pulling up though, so there is a role for auditing, and fingers crossed the audit quality will improve.
Personally I wouldn’t of touched nothing like you just did in the video! I would of made a complaint and ask for the auditor to audited or for it to be re audited while being there.
Agree, correcting reported stuff for the sake of it when it's not 'required' sets up a president. Cory's attention to detail aside, setting presidents for no reason will hound you for life.
I’m not a qualified electrician but I am an electronics engineer!! I love watching you guys work as your work ethic is brilliant and with what I know about this I cannot understand their problem? Something smells around here and I’m wondering if the reply’s you gave are the same inspectors!! And why now what about all the installations you guys have done!! So sorry I don’t like Twitter so can’t watch there
Lots of the charge points have over voltage detection built in. I'm terms of the EV work most probs covered in the product. Fire clips as you identify unlikely to be an issue but we need them regardless. I guess they have to mention that. I have seen some shocking audits. Terrible ones. Keep on trucking and well done for shinning a light on this
Well, the RUclips button on the back of your filming booth would be a code 2. It is neither labelled multiple times as being a button, nor is it secured against premature collapse! 😁 Well done video and the build of the booth really pays off in my opinion, the shots look great!!!!
Problem is when you are good people look for mistakes ( that are not there)…sometimes the people who make the rules , and try to enforce them are not as good as they think they are .. carry on the way you are .. no one is perfect ( my name is no one haha)…. You work For a top company … keep up your good work …
They told me to insulate a furnace exhaust pipes one time because it said "vent pipes must be insulated IF they pass through an unconditioned space" But outside is outside, not an "unconditioned space". That's a space that is sealed but not heated. But it's easier to just do it than argue. I circled the IF and "unconditioned space" and told the customer to show him that when he came to inspect my correction. It sucks when that happens.
Cory as a fire prevention company in ireland that cable clipped is in no way an issue with premature collapse or will affect exit from house in event of fire in my opinion
where are these guys on the drive by eicrs that happen all over the country.I build commercial control and instrumentation panels some half a million plus …and sometimes when the consultant sends an inspector in mid and after build you just cannot win …. He has to and will find fault to justify his fee ….it’s so frustrating doing unnecessary remedial work just to satisfy a tick box on a report . Guys nothing wrong with Artisans work …above and beyond in my opinion your work is head and shoulders above others I have high standards and don’t like getting trades in my own house because most disappoint …but I would happily engage the Artisan team having followed your work . Keep it up …and fight your corner
Sounds like someone needs to audit the auditors- because they are obviously quite incompetent at their job... I would be getting together with the other elecs that got these ridiculous checks and get the auditing company to back up EVERY single claim- or get shut down...
Thats absolutly ridiculous, I hope you (and the other sparks) complained to the inspectors registration scheme so they can inspect their poor inspecting.
It looks as if one of the auditors (SR Electrical Services LTD) directors had something to do with JTL/Unite the union, according to companies house. Something doesn't sit right with me considering they are just a random 15 employee company chosen to help DEKRA Automotive carry out these audits. We got similar codes / issues on one of our installations and we are based in Scotland - cable was clipped a foot of the ground outside and they want metal fire rated clips. Piss take.
If the IET were of any use they would have an authoritative system of inspection. Instead they just keep on adding ever more ludicrous rules to the incomprehensible, ambiguous and self contradictory mess that is the regulations.
Obviously regulations here in Denmark are quite different, but auditors here are licensed by the local government or the state, depending on what line of work they have to audit, and you have to pass a (fairly easy) test to get the auditing license. But, when they do the auditing, these days any and all faults they find must be backed up by photographic evidence. If they can't prove their statements, then the entire audit is invalid and must be redone, and we have an appeal process for nearly everything here (though it's not brilliant and quite often it ends up being evaluated by the same people that did the audit). Unfortunately the random audit process we're supposed to have, doesn't really exist because installers are not required to report what they do unless they touch the main supply, so it's only if a particular electrician is suspected of doing a bad job it'll get audited. That said, if any work an electrician (or any other trade) does turns out to be faulty, they are 100% liable for it can be fined if it's a serious violation, and even lose their license if it's really bad. If the worst happens and someone dies due to their sloppy work, they can be charged with murder. These days where everyone have a camera in their pocket, it's quite common to take pictures of everything you do, as prove you've done it properly. That way you're also able to prove it wasn't your fault when the customer fiddles with your work and break something
We had code 2's on an industrial site to do remedials on where they claimed the pfc was giving readings of 14 and higher, when tested highest came out at 3.7 all on 10KA breakers in board too
Unbelievable! Our company used to get inspected by a firm called morgan lambert, the stuff they used to pull up was embarrassing!! You should name and shame these fools!
The only thing I can see relative to impeding fire fighting (and in my opinion it’s ridiculous) is the fire doesn’t necessary have to come from the property in question but externally, as the properties boundary is less then 1m from the neighbouring property. I only know this as a build I’m on at the moment required fire board on the external gable end due to a small section being in close proximity to the boundary. The argument was that the fire could come from the neighbours garage. The only issue with your cable is the clips could melt and the cable sag on the floor, unlikely it would trip a fire fighter up! The guttering above sagging down probably would though.
The root problem is probably the outsourcing model used. I am not a spark, so will not offer opinions about whether it is wise for fire services to employ borrowers who might have a cable next to the ground fall on them. BUT, my wife (sadly now departed) used to work for the NHS. VAT, as applied to the NHS was beyond peculiar, and my missus got very good at navigating its rapids for the hospital she worked at. At one stage the Trust - at a level way above my wife - nonetheless decided that they should get in a consultant to identify VAT savings that could be made. The terms of the contract were that they were to be paid a proportion of the savings they identified. As it happened, all or nearly all had been identified by my missus. And already documented. So when my wifes boss stepped in and said the work was done already and asked that the consultants accept they be paid only based on savings that had NOT been identified already. The consultants would not accept that. Almost certainly your auditors were to be "paid by results" so HAD to find fault, and in their company promotional material they will be able to claim that they have been making the industry safer, and helping to weed out cowboys. As someone else has said - follow the money.
Brilliant video - your knowledge, passion and (entirely justifiable!) outrage shine through. My key question that I'd love to see covered is how will you and all the other sparkies that have been unfairly hit with these erroneous codings fight back? Personally I think the private contractor that did these 'surveys' shouldn't be getting paid by OZEV for starters! Really pleased you raised the issue but this definitely needs challenged.
To be fair in an event of a fire and that armoured cable melts, and the clips too. Any local insects below it may fail to be able to pass therefore perishing in the external 1 foot house fire. Please someone think of the insects.
Sideways thought: do lots of printed labels present a hazard within a consumer unit? Or any switchgear for that matter? Flammable material? This is something I will have done hundreds of times and only now thought of 😂😵💫😵💫😵💫
A good reason and/or maybe the only good reason metal casing would be recommended for the cables outside the property is to protect against wear and tear, protecting against weather effects such as water ingress. But definitely not a trip hazard.
Clearly the auditors have no idea ,this is not the first time I've heard lads say they have been picked up during an audit . I think the auditors need to be audited for qualifications and experience
In Canada if you legally have to choose the expensive option but the customer doesn't want it. You walk away or call inspector. You don't do the cheap option anyway. Anything clearly dangerous you have to fix. It an ethics thing.
Wow, wow, wow.... I worked (before medical retirement) for an Aus Govt building construction fire research lab and a firefighter... words fail me as to what jackass failed that EV cable installation. Let alone anything else in this video. I would like to see what Davo Savo says about it...
I understand that as a jealousy from someone saw a successful young guys doing great job and want to demoralise them.. GO ARTISANS and never look back.
Respect for putting this video out there. I can see you take pride in your work, which follows through in your nice installs. It’s unfortunate that the poor and even dangerous workmanship is not picked up… or is it ?
Working with government agencies myself it would appear that the auditor has had a fire put under his/her ass in regards to possibly, why too many of the installs are approved.Told to go back re-audit. This involves picking holes / split hairs without rationality. There is always a need to label everything - see serving suggestion front of a cornflakes packet for those who are unsure how to use - but if you are an electrician needing a label to identify which conductor is what, then it's time for a career change.
Mate.That was a quality vlog,Think you guys do stunning work across the board,it’s people that don’t get there hands dirty and sit behind desks finding faults that aren’t really there.Truth betold
The Earth wire is green and yellow for the very reason that colour blind people will be able to identify it! (It’s the most important conductor to get right to avoid live casings etc) so it’s two colours, thus no matter how you perceive colours, you’ll see it’s the only cable that’s striped.
I'm wondering if there is any financial benefit for an auditor needing a return visit to ensure these "code violations" have been rectified? Ridiculous stuff. Chin up Cory, I'd be proud claiming your standard and that of all the guys at Artisan Electrics work as my own.
Hold on - they want metal clips for the armoured externally but are happy with plastic plugs holding the metal on? What happens when the plug melts and that cable falls harmlessly 5" to the floor? THE HUMANITY! What a complete joke.
From the States, I had a city inspector swing by today and check my hardwired EV charger that was installed Friday. He literally just looked at the charger and looked at how it was mounted. Stepped back and said "well, the lights are on, does it charge the car?" And it does charge. He just asked a couple questions about the wire and how it was routed into the basement. He said "I'm sure they got it wired correctly in the breaker box" and that was really it. He never asked to go into the basement to take a look. This was not an audit but I assume my city would be at least a little more concerned and do a better inspection. I mean, we didn't open any panels at all and we didn't even plug in my car which was right there next to the charger.
I'm a plumber. I was called out for not putting a stop valve where the water enters the house. I turned the water line through the floor and put a stop valve there... because no-one could operate a valve in a 4 inch crawlspace. I was told that I had to put a valve in, or it would not pass inspection. We had to cut a hole in the floor to put a valve in, as there was no way to access it any other way. Luckily the home owner was on the same page as me, and it didn't cost me a customer. Sometimes the inspectors just lack common sense, and are too "by the book". Those who know, do.... those who are learning , teach... and those who think they know, Inspect.
Not an EV install, but we had a rental property EICR come back with £250 unnecessary work (zone 2 fan, I think). Asked for a 2nd quote from another sparks - went back and challenged it as not in zone 2, got passing cert issued. Lesson - don't use openrent for electrical inspections.
1). I hope Jordan is defending you...... 2). Please invite Mr D Savery to review this as I'm sure he'd love to get involved with the regs ;-) Keep up the good work!!
I always tell my customers when going over my PV systems when they ask if the electricians who will work on their house in the future will know how to shut off the solar electric connection to the grid. I always tell them if the electrician doesn't know how to shut off the solar power with all the stickers and disconnects that are connected to it then you should not let him work on your house. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are my favorites lol
No such thing as ambulance drivers. Paramedics, who as part of their life saving duties is to safely drive their rigs/ bus often at high speed to get to you and your loved ones. Ex FDNY Paramedic
I've learnt to just install your own EVC unit and completely do away with the customers existing board. I understand it's more pricey but you can pick up a unit quite cheap these days if you shop around. The auditor is cleary New to the job or has some sort of authority issues.
That exterior cable run is way neater than our domestic charge point install. ( Not done by yourselves. ) Ours must be a C2 as well by the auditors reckoning. We actually had the DNO ( Scottish Power ) out to inspect ours as we are on a looped supply. They had no issues with the install.
We are now in a world of 3 types of people. 1. Competent and honest 2. Incompetent but honest they just don’t know better. 3 competent but looking for any opportunity to rip people off. My GF recently had an EICR on her flat 1 valid C2 for wrong IP box on bathroom fan despite it being isolated. 🤷♂️. The other 10 which were followed by a quote for £780. Plus a strong recommend to change the CU to AFDD to “meet future regs” at £950.
Dekra by any chance 🤣. I've had a few c2 for no fire clips on a cable running 2m along an outside wall below knee height, customers origional dB not being fire rated, condensation present on door of ip dB. I've also had wrong make/model of ev charger, wrong earthing arrangement noted by dekra. I also had no spd installed when it's built into the charger.
Once had a home inspector take a picture in a crawl space of where the gas line entered the house with the note "Gas line is not bonded". Literally on the other side of the wall and in one of their other pictures, was where the gas line was bonded on the outside, clear as day and in the open.
We bought a property in Lincolnshire, that required some work. A local sparks told us he couldn't do any work unless he changed the plastic consumer units for metal ones. I'm not as green, as I am cabbage looking. He didn't get the job.
I love the video and I'm an electrician myself. One thing :D You've read the label on the mains SAYING ''Switch mains before removing the cover'' and you still removed it without switching the mains OFF! :D I'll be honest, I do that myself but it's hilarious how you've just read it and still didn't do it :D
I don't like being judged or inspected by box-ticking narcissists. Not do I like being subjected to what are basically protection rackets. That's why I've let all my "cards" expire and have no immediate desire to work in the electrical industry again. The irony being that these organisations are also responsible for the one-day slideshows with open-book tests that are being used to circumvent real training by replacing it with liability transfer.
If bigclive accepts, I accept with my eyes closed lol
Yes, this spiv bureaucracy has driven me from the profession earlier than would otherwise have been the case.
I hate to say it, but hearing stories like this make me thankful for the system we use instead.
It sounds like to me, engerneres who couldn't be a electrician are telling people that the clipboard says the job is done wrong just to justify a pay check.
We have them on some jobs too, but its more or less a construction companys rep rather then being a state appointed moron.
That´s a proper rant.
They do that in the food industry, too.
If someone fails as a butcher, they can always be health inspectors, because they take everyone they possibly can. Nobody wants to do that job just shouting at people every day and leaving very expensive fines and constraints.
You could complain, but if you do, they´ll send someone over to add something to the list and they can shut your business down instantly.
As one of those guys was about to retire, he basically apologized for what he´s done for decades. He tried to be nice in the end. Nice move, but too late.
Perhaps the reason why you need to label them is because not everyone can see colors..... And to make it more idiot proof or something like that or should I say idiot resistant. 😂
You should make a formal complaint about the inspector citing the regulation that doesn't exist.
This seems sufficiently widespread that someone ought to compile a representative sample and confront Ozev about it, pointing out the losses their subcontractors' errors have caused, and OZEV's potential legal liability for costs of unnecessary work dealing with it, as well as reputational damage by informing customers that work is substandard when it isn't.
A FOIA request for the process used to appoint their subcontractors might also be interesting.
Assuming the auditors are known, and are members of a professional body, a complaint to that body is also probably in order.
Good idea. Do you have a trades body on your side for that?
@@tcpnetworks One would hope their respective NICEIC, NAPIT or other approved contractor body would be firmly on their side. Not in bed with EV auditors.
someone hit lawfull masses youtube channel?
Sounds like MOTs for cars. I've had advisories on mine one year, then magically not the next year. A friend of mine who does up cars said its due to the MOT tester. If you get one on the take, they'll make stuff up which magically disappears the next year if its either a different tester or the original tester just doesn't remember what they made up the year before.
I was gonna say FOIA is an American bill but apparently the U.K. has a bill with the exact same name in FOIA 2000.
When the inspector is wrong, they MUST be held accountable. They need to be fined or sacked when they are wrong. When they lie they need to be removed from being an inspector.
Name the inspectors and hold them accountable.
educated at the very least and have the corrections notable. Like if an officer was cited, you could look up the complaints sort of thing.
@@husher5142 I think that the inspector should have sufficient knowledge, training and experience not to make those simple errors.
If the inspector does not. Then why are they an inspector!
When wrong this costs people money. Reputation and livelihood.
We should expect and demand more from our government employees.
@@stevejh69 not necessarily we are all human and learn at different pacing. I could hired 5 different senior network techs and they will all have strength and weaknesses based on their experience.
@@husher5142 Thanks husher. But. There has to be accountability when they are wrong.
This can cause people to be fired. Bills to be not paid.
And being able to walk away without any consequences is unacceptable.
@@stevejh69 100% You cant audit people on work this serious and not be held accountable for the severity of your judgement be it right or wrong without some accountability. It's people's livelihoods at stake. Cory is clearly a competent electrician for what he does. To suggest he isn't safe or careful or thoughtful about his work is ridiculous. No one should be able to just pass judgement on electrical work and attempt to penalise without suffering the same penalty. They should know as understand as much and they expect someone like Cory to know and understand
Get the inspector to explain why he said what he said, and to show onsite what he thinks is wrong, Cory please keep up the good work you are one in a million.
he probably wrote the report from his cubicle lol
@@Lewdacris916 I wouldn't be surprised if that was all copy and paste report, and look like all the others
I had the same problem with my audit of an EV charge point install. I referred all of the C2 C3 and the whole audit report to NICEIC. This is a widespread issue and many contractors have complained to NICEIC who have now taken this up at senior level with OZEV and SRElectrical who did many of the audits. After a while NICEIC came back to me and rebutted all four of the C2s saying they were either invalid or C3s at worst. Many of the other points on the audit were nonsense. It has caused a bit of a shitstorm and I am more worried about reputational damage because the loons doing the audits also write to customer of the install saying there are problems. Really pissed me off but thanks to NICEIC for standing up against this.
glad to hear i had the same drama
If it was my house I'd want to know if there was a chance my electrical installation was defective or dangerous. Customer's house, customer's money = customer needs to know.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 he is certainly not complaining that people receive a letter is something is below par. It is a massive issue that the inspectors are not good enough.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 Do you want a letter stating the inspector does not know what colour the line and neutral wires should be?
Too much obsession with codes and getting the right code.
It's more important to list the defects, provide that to the customer and make a recommendation which ones must remediated, and that is determined as to whether there is an electric shock risk or fire risk.
As a full-time electrical inspector, I agree with you fully Cory. Every time I note a defect it has to have an ACTUAL regulation that it relates to, but this takes nit-picking above and beyond anything reasonable.
Is it reasonable to assume the man was ignorant of the work being done and therefore thought all points regarding retrospective and non applicable works were valid?
So your oppinion here is "They are more of guide lines, not rules."?
My Grandad lives in a sheltered accommodation,,and recently he had a radiator put in,,,,1 guy came to put it in....2 guy came to check it had been done appropriately. 3 guy came to check the checker...........
@@JoneKone The IET regulations are NOT law. The Building Regulations are the law.
If you fail to follow IET regulations you can't be prosecuted.
If an accident occurs and someone is injured, then the HSE can come down and take a look at what happened, and they take into consideration the failures to comply with the IET Regs.
reminds me of a free mot test i got done at halfords, it passed but boy did he nitpick the hell out of it.
brake pedal rubber a bit worn and slippery - it was just a little bit worn, not slippery at all.
phone mount on windscreen - every other mot tester just removes it - they had to put it on the mot results.
i chalked this up to that they have to show their superiors that they are scrutining the work and giving it an easy pass so they nitpick and find any fault they can record.
Hi Cory, as a serving firefighters the need to apply metal fixings to a cable located 200mm from the floor is absolute rubbish. The reg was introduced after firefighters died after being entangled in a high level retro fit install. If those original cable clips are going to fail prematurely, there won't be fire crews any where near it! Great work 👏
Thanks!
I hope the person who did the audit see’s this. It seems like they need the feedback so they can learn to do their job properly
I reckon Artisan electrics should audit the auditor and send him/her a report about his audit 😆
It's just an auditor on a power trip. These types have so little power everywhere else and are insecure about it to the point they are now going mad when they get into any positions which has some form of it.
@@migo70 Is it ego or is it more like "I have to find a handful of 'things' to show my boss that I'm working/valuable"?
@@snackentity5709 at the same time not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. But these will get kicked back and make them look worse to the boss imo
@@migo70 I get that not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. I'm just trying to imagine the range of possible motives behind the behavior. The place I work has a company-wide auditor that comes in every year and he's real cool and practical. But then we have a customer auditor that comes in when we work on projects for them and he seems nice, but always finds SOMETHING to write down, no matter how inconsequential. He doesn't appear to be power tripping or have a big ego, which is why I'm wondering about other motives like trying to appear diligent and impactful for the boss-man.
Buy yea I agree, if an *astute* boss sees a lot of junk write-ups, they would probably not like that from a reputation perspective.
7:23 - “we don’t offer surge protection; we just do it.”
Absolutely the right attitude. 👍
What’s your opinion on the points raised in the video? Let us know in the comments below.
What a joke, hope you sent them the bill for wasting your time.
Don't do work where they control you.
I agree with almost everything, but have to say, time mark 18:40 .. having another RCD upstream without a time delay does not make anything 'less safe' just more irritating if it trips in both places, or if you go to the charger only to find it's tripped in the consumer unit. I've come across 3 RCDs in a row before, C3 all the way. Lack of selectivity is sloppy but not dangerous. (With obvious exceptions like a hospital DB with a bank of 30mA RCBOs and an 30mA RCD main switch, for example, where the RCD main switch might trip and take out all the RCBOs feeding medical equipment)
@@waithereivegonetogethelp3240 surely that would be a fault due to double discrimination
I wouldn’t take it personally. The auditors report numbers back to the governing body. If they didn’t find anything wrong, what are they for? Imagine all the UK installs shown as a load of graphs in a presentation, that’s all the “results” showing trends etc. All the auditors are doing is justifying their own existence. Even if you did it 100% right (which it already was) they would still find fault because they have too 👍🏻
It should be mandatory that the audits are done while the installer is present. Like the yearly NIC EIC assessment, then discussions regarding C1's, 2's and 3's can be had at the time. The last thing a contractor or a customers wants to hear is that an install that cost a lot of money is ' DANGEROUS ' . Things like this can badly damage people's businesses. Another government cash cow 🐄 scam if you ask me
The work you do is the best I have ever seen there was no CODE 1 or CODE 2 you can see that you care about the work you do Cory keep the good workmanship up 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Whoever did the audit clearly doesn’t have a clue but likes to quotes a few regs to make money and everyone’s life difficult. Let’s face it, the person sat in the ozev office won’t be from an electrical background and will just see the codes that are written and call the job a fail
They eather have Target's for Fails or are just picky jobsworths!
also premature Colaps regs are about indoors!
I exclusively do EICRs for a living, and this sounds like yours was done by someone with no experience (which is fine, experience takes time), but more damningly they weren't working with someone who does have experience in order to learn from them. It's one thing being qualified but you absolutely need time with an experienced tester to really learn the job. There was nothing there worth more than a C3, because as you say, current regs only relate to current installs and if older work met regs at the time of install and are still perfectly serviceable there is no legal requirement to change anything. Plus, you are absolutely not responsible for the entire installation if you come in to add a circuit or change a socket etc., and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Can't you make an official complaint?
Complain as that will take things to the next level for us to learn from.................;)
no all the reports are exactly the same, its a scam and im withdrawing my olev licence once the last grant has been paid to me
You shouldn't be allowed to do EICR'S without experience of installation work
@@brianwoodruff4891 I guess this isn't an EICR - it's an audit using the EICR as a framework. But otherwise I generally agree although many may not have done install work for a very long time so I'm not an advocate of people having to follow a proscribed route - the test is competence.
Clearly the C2's in this are completely incorrect, they'd be nit-picking to call them C3's.
That's exactly what I was thinking, it sounds like someone fresh out the box reading regs and not understanding what they actually mean. Sometimes a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge.
When I used to do final production test of nuclear medicine instruments, we had a QA inspector who felt he had to find something to write up.
He would spend a half day looking until he found something. We got to where we would leave a loose screw so he could "find" it.
NICEIC "auditors" worked like this in the region I used to work. One of my colleagues was in exactly the same situation: his company always left an easy to locate "noncompliance" for the auditor to write up. The auditor always looked pleased to have been able to tick all the boxes and complete the paperchase and made everyone's day go much more smoothly. "I have to find something" he said, "no installation is perfect." My colleague's favourite was to leave one light cable trailing over the ceiling grid not clipped up on the suspenders, or in one room he'd "forget" to earth the grid. Of course he couldn't include the same fault every time because that would be written up as "issues unrectified, failure to improve"!
This is one reason everyone I worked with used to hate dealing with NICEIC, back in the days before they merged with Elecsa. No idea what they are like today; I'm not in that part of the industry currently, but I'd be interested to know...
@@Dranok1 Probably thinks that he will be out of a job if he keeps finding nothing wrong.
There are people like this everywhere. I worked with a few in the software world. Usually older, close to retirement age types that seemed allergic to enthusiasm. Eventually we learned to leave low hanging fruit for them. One guy, we'll call him Calvin, would always quote 2 or three problems with any software plan we'd put together for some work. So we'd make two or three obvious gaffs, prepare solutions for them in advance, wait until he took a week of being idle to cite them, fix them and get the plan cleared. It became a bit of a joke in the end.
@deang5622 Yes, my father had an audit done a while ago for his taxes. He kept meticulous notes and complied 100%. He got audited, auditor was there 3 days going over everything and and eventually gave my dad some really BS minor couple things that were basically non-issues.. My dad asked him what was wrong with what he did. He said, okay look, my job is to audit stuff and to find things wrong, if I dont find something wrong then it doesn't look good on me. You did extremely well, and anyother time I would never even notes these, but I cant come back with an empty report.
Going forward my dad always left something minor that was somewhat easy to find that wouldnt result in a fine to speed up the process
It stinks of corruption and possibly some contractors that don't know the field they are working in... i too would like to know what the incentive structure is to find issues.. keep us upto date Cory.
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This is becoming a common issue with the audits. I even know they have been mixing up sites with other sites and even putting the wrong contractors on the reports I have a sneaky suspicion they have to find something on the audits to justify their job
It is 100% an attempt to justify their existence. It’s also a form of corruption.
There’s tons of dodgy findings on these audits for a whole bunch of installers I know! We had a finding which I totally disagreed with, I’ve challenged the findings, and they’ve passed off the audit with no further action. Crazy. This is definitely some kind of profiteering exercise for the auditing companies.
Jordan should be able to have the inspector meet you on site to discuss his findings and Artisan Electrical should also be able to complain to the inspectors employer. If I was the inspector I would have no problem appearing on your vlog to discuss the issues
I think the important thing is you were not fitting a new CU, just adding another circuit. Most of this stuff relates to installing a new CU.
Agreed, based on this auditing example, if you installed an additional socket in say a classroom dado trunking, but the Main Switch located in another building miles away from this classroom isn't labelled "Main Switch" you wouldn't be compliant, complete nonsense
Atleast we can all be glad that the NICEIC is now building a case to audit the auditors due to a very high number of complaints of incorrect details and classifications.
You guys need to go to the mgt of OZEV and have a sit down on camera with them about this, and show them what they are reporting on exactly. I would pay to watch that. 👍💲💲
Oh dear! It is ridiculous. I don’t know much behind ev chargers but you are clearly a very well managed company that specialise in EV chargers so how would you mess it up
As a retired approved electrician (doesn’t mean very much now I realise!) and after listening and watching your video I would be very happy to have you work on any electrical installation job I have ever worked on during the 35 years of running jobs, weather industrial or domestic. Keep up the good work young man.
I would like to say to Cory, congratulations with maintaining your smile and positive, moderate and frankly superhuman demeanour during your 'rant'. Me, I'd have been hurt, then angry, then steaming.
It's absolute corruption, and I hope that the company who performed this audit and the others you've heard about get publicly shamed.
It's toxic and has no place in British industry.
I'm very tempted to write to my MP which I've only ever done once!
It's not corruption. It's the inspectors justifying their jobs and in turn the inspector's boss happily bean-counting the defects to show his boss, and so on up the chain. Good old British bureaucracy. Plus ca change,........................
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Would a good electrician serve in a regulatory body rather than do real work? What do you think? :-)
Not an electrician myself, but get the same type of "audit" within the fire/alarm/cctv industry, to say its annoying at times is an understatement, so I can appreciate your frustration with this. Keep up the brilliant video's and great content, its very much appreciated.
The guy inspecting it is either incompetent or never done any electrical work in his life. Or was his 1st day on the job after doing an online course and swallowed the book
He swallowed the wrong book didn’t he
@@MrSeananners12345 well said!
Can you all appeal en-mase to whoever decides who should get audited? A class action in the OZEV court of appeal as it were. If nobody complains "offically" it'll just continue
Nothing wrong with the cable outside, it will not hinder any escape in a fire situation. The code is more about a fire inside a building where cables can be hanging down and firefighters getting entangled and losing their lives, I have been in that situation, and is not a nice thing to happen. I think that the inspector is taking things too far and insulting the memory of those who have been killed shame on him.
Inspectors love adding their own twists to the code here in America as well.
This auditing lark is a cash cow really. Everyone has a snout in the "green" trough and everyone wants in on the action.
you think they have to have a certain number of fails to reach a quota ......like traffic wardens have to give out tickets ?
@@memecoinmafia2732 Yes.
What was the code 1?
Brilliant! Definitely something odd behind these audits, either inexperience or some form of payment for failed installations. Follow the money. This was also riveting, and I suggest should be on prime-time TV. “Code 2, you’re covered in poo” 😜
surely that's a defo code zero - hit the panic button and wait for help to arrive 🤣
I agree with most of what you've said here, bare in mind I'm not an electrician I just enjoy this type of content.
That said at 12:50 you stated if you can't identify by colour you shouldn't be inside the consumer unit. That isn't true. Some electricians are colour blind. There's no law stopping them from being an electrician.
Just pointing this out. Not intended to nit pick or anything. Keep up the great content
Was there no way of being able to get hold of the inspector and give him a call, these job worths needs a talking to
I tried, strangely enough he was unavailable
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They Just shouldn’t be able to bid behind the screen, if he’s coding an install u have done as unsafe you should be able to ask why and question him on it.
@@corynoahmac if at first u don’t succeed try try and try again. It would be worth it just to give u peace of mind and reassure urself your not going loopy 🤔🤔😉😉😉😉. After all that elec van JORDAN got is as much use as a horse 🐎 and u might of been confused with a 🤠🤠🤠 if u turned up in that ( after a 24 h journey with 5 charging stops)
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@@corynoahmac your a decent chanter 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen! Fair play for doing the completely unnecessary remedial work! This is just another reason why I'm happy I don't do EV
Surge is to protect against transient voltages……not over current. But i do agree it isn’t a requirement if the client doesn’t want it
Only realy recommend to client if they stay in a high lighting strike area . Some insurance companies now want it and there is maps for venerable areas due to claims
I share your frustration !!!!I am a retired electrical technician ,I have designed and installed three phase breaker boards and carried out three phase installations and single phase installations in commercial industrial and domestic situations .I was part regulated for a time ….my opinion then and even more so now it’s a joke ,a money making scam for organisations /regulators .Why someone who has past all the required exams and have all the qualifications now has to do a course so they know how to install 3 phase supply so they can fit outlets for car charging !So glad to be out of the trade .
Its the same on alot of sites either people coming straight from a desk not having a scooby or just complete and utter lemons that've been reading too many books
I’ve dealt with auditors now for the last 3 years where I work and I get the feeling that when a company hires another company to audit they always find something to justify them being there and that’s what it’s about they have to find something probably to get paid. Quoting a non existent regulation. What’s that all about? Funny thing is I bet if you looked at their work it would be substandard you tend to find.
Hey. I've been watching a lot of your videos. I would rather hire you guys, rather some random spark (we need some work done). The quality and professionalism that I see is outstanding
And the things they pulled you up on hardly even justify a C3 let alone the C1 and C2 they coded it as.
I want to hear Jordan’s view on this.
I’m a firefighter in Australia. The first thing done at a domestic house fire is to turn off the main switch! The only wiring that worries us is the connection between the street and the main switch. Damaged cables will have tripped before we get there usually FFS. Keep up the good work
The regs mentioned here to do with firefighters aren't about the cables being live. It's about making sure cables aren't going to fall down in the event of a fire (for instance if held by plastic clips that quickly melt) which could entangle anyone still in the building. And the clown doing the auditing here saw that armoured cable, running about ankle height straight along the outside wall, and decided it posed a risk of the clips melting and the cable entangling someone. Ridiculous.
@@Mattja1 especialy when the only place that would be a reasonebel risk is at the door wher the cabel is under a lip presented by the door sil.
Serious Cory mode engaged. Good job you are extremely competent and experienced, and this should be water off a ducks back. There probably are a load of incompetent muppets slinging in chargers that do need pulling up though, so there is a role for auditing, and fingers crossed the audit quality will improve.
Personally I wouldn’t of touched nothing like you just did in the video! I would of made a complaint and ask for the auditor to audited or for it to be re audited while being there.
Agree, correcting reported stuff for the sake of it when it's not 'required' sets up a president. Cory's attention to detail aside, setting presidents for no reason will hound you for life.
It‘s actually „would‘ve“ like in „would have“. Sorry about the quotation marks.
I’m not a qualified electrician but I am an electronics engineer!! I love watching you guys work as your work ethic is brilliant and with what I know about this I cannot understand their problem? Something smells around here and I’m wondering if the reply’s you gave are the same inspectors!! And why now what about all the installations you guys have done!! So sorry I don’t like Twitter so can’t watch there
Lots of the charge points have over voltage detection built in. I'm terms of the EV work most probs covered in the product.
Fire clips as you identify unlikely to be an issue but we need them regardless. I guess they have to mention that. I have seen some shocking audits. Terrible ones.
Keep on trucking and well done for shinning a light on this
Well, the RUclips button on the back of your filming booth would be a code 2. It is neither labelled multiple times as being a button, nor is it secured against premature collapse! 😁
Well done video and the build of the booth really pays off in my opinion, the shots look great!!!!
Problem is when you are good people look for mistakes ( that are not there)…sometimes the people who make the rules , and try to enforce them are not as good as they think they are .. carry on the way you are .. no one is perfect ( my name is no one haha)…. You work
For a top company … keep up your good work …
They told me to insulate a furnace exhaust pipes one time because it said "vent pipes must be insulated IF they pass through an unconditioned space"
But outside is outside, not an "unconditioned space". That's a space that is sealed but not heated.
But it's easier to just do it than argue. I circled the IF and "unconditioned space" and told the customer to show him that when he came to inspect my correction.
It sucks when that happens.
Cory as a fire prevention company in ireland that cable clipped is in no way an issue with premature collapse or will affect exit from house in event of fire in my opinion
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where are these guys on the drive by eicrs that happen all over the country.I build commercial control and instrumentation panels some half a million plus …and sometimes when the consultant sends an inspector in mid and after build you just cannot win …. He has to and will find fault to justify his fee ….it’s so frustrating doing unnecessary remedial work just to satisfy a tick box on a report .
Guys nothing wrong with Artisans work …above and beyond in my opinion your work is head and shoulders above others I have high standards and don’t like getting trades in my own house because most disappoint …but I would happily engage the Artisan team having followed your work .
Keep it up …and fight your corner
Sounds like someone needs to audit the auditors- because they are obviously quite incompetent at their job... I would be getting together with the other elecs that got these ridiculous checks and get the auditing company to back up EVERY single claim- or get shut down...
Thats absolutly ridiculous, I hope you (and the other sparks) complained to the inspectors registration scheme so they can inspect their poor inspecting.
Who is auditing the auditors!? at this level of stretching and misquoting regs I would expect NICIET/NAPIT or even the IET to step in!
It looks as if one of the auditors (SR Electrical Services LTD) directors had something to do with JTL/Unite the union, according to companies house. Something doesn't sit right with me considering they are just a random 15 employee company chosen to help DEKRA Automotive carry out these audits. We got similar codes / issues on one of our installations and we are based in Scotland - cable was clipped a foot of the ground outside and they want metal fire rated clips. Piss take.
If the IET were of any use they would have an authoritative system of inspection. Instead they just keep on adding ever more ludicrous rules to the incomprehensible, ambiguous and self contradictory mess that is the regulations.
@@jamieh8667 same for me mate, absolute bollocks
You are a very good Electrician. Something seems amiss.
Obviously regulations here in Denmark are quite different, but auditors here are licensed by the local government or the state, depending on what line of work they have to audit, and you have to pass a (fairly easy) test to get the auditing license. But, when they do the auditing, these days any and all faults they find must be backed up by photographic evidence. If they can't prove their statements, then the entire audit is invalid and must be redone, and we have an appeal process for nearly everything here (though it's not brilliant and quite often it ends up being evaluated by the same people that did the audit). Unfortunately the random audit process we're supposed to have, doesn't really exist because installers are not required to report what they do unless they touch the main supply, so it's only if a particular electrician is suspected of doing a bad job it'll get audited. That said, if any work an electrician (or any other trade) does turns out to be faulty, they are 100% liable for it can be fined if it's a serious violation, and even lose their license if it's really bad. If the worst happens and someone dies due to their sloppy work, they can be charged with murder. These days where everyone have a camera in their pocket, it's quite common to take pictures of everything you do, as prove you've done it properly. That way you're also able to prove it wasn't your fault when the customer fiddles with your work and break something
We had code 2's on an industrial site to do remedials on where they claimed the pfc was giving readings of 14 and higher, when tested highest came out at 3.7 all on 10KA breakers in board too
Unbelievable! Our company used to get inspected by a firm called morgan lambert, the stuff they used to pull up was embarrassing!! You should name and shame these fools!
As someone has already said. Auditing is a cash cow for the auditors .
What on earth is an ozev licence. I fitted my own vehicle charger and Bollox to them. My house my CCU and I’m an electrician
The only thing I can see relative to impeding fire fighting (and in my opinion it’s ridiculous) is the fire doesn’t necessary have to come from the property in question but externally, as the properties boundary is less then 1m from the neighbouring property.
I only know this as a build I’m on at the moment required fire board on the external gable end due to a small section being in close proximity to the boundary. The argument was that the fire could come from the neighbours garage.
The only issue with your cable is the clips could melt and the cable sag on the floor, unlikely it would trip a fire fighter up! The guttering above sagging down probably would though.
The root problem is probably the outsourcing model used. I am not a spark, so will not offer opinions about whether it is wise for fire services to employ borrowers who might have a cable next to the ground fall on them. BUT, my wife (sadly now departed) used to work for the NHS. VAT, as applied to the NHS was beyond peculiar, and my missus got very good at navigating its rapids for the hospital she worked at. At one stage the Trust - at a level way above my wife - nonetheless decided that they should get in a consultant to identify VAT savings that could be made. The terms of the contract were that they were to be paid a proportion of the savings they identified. As it happened, all or nearly all had been identified by my missus. And already documented. So when my wifes boss stepped in and said the work was done already and asked that the consultants accept they be paid only based on savings that had NOT been identified already. The consultants would not accept that.
Almost certainly your auditors were to be "paid by results" so HAD to find fault, and in their company promotional material they will be able to claim that they have been making the industry safer, and helping to weed out cowboys.
As someone else has said - follow the money.
Brilliant video - your knowledge, passion and (entirely justifiable!) outrage shine through. My key question that I'd love to see covered is how will you and all the other sparkies that have been unfairly hit with these erroneous codings fight back? Personally I think the private contractor that did these 'surveys' shouldn't be getting paid by OZEV for starters! Really pleased you raised the issue but this definitely needs challenged.
To be fair in an event of a fire and that armoured cable melts, and the clips too. Any local insects below it may fail to be able to pass therefore perishing in the external 1 foot house fire. Please someone think of the insects.
I'd love to see David "The Rave" Savery wade in on this!
Sideways thought: do lots of printed labels present a hazard within a consumer unit? Or any switchgear for that matter? Flammable material? This is something I will have done hundreds of times and only now thought of 😂😵💫😵💫😵💫
A good reason and/or maybe the only good reason metal casing would be recommended for the cables outside the property is to protect against wear and tear, protecting against weather effects such as water ingress. But definitely not a trip hazard.
Clearly the auditors have no idea ,this is not the first time I've heard lads say they have been picked up during an audit . I think the auditors need to be audited for qualifications and experience
In Canada if you legally have to choose the expensive option but the customer doesn't want it. You walk away or call inspector. You don't do the cheap option anyway. Anything clearly dangerous you have to fix. It an ethics thing.
Wow, wow, wow.... I worked (before medical retirement) for an Aus Govt building construction fire research lab and a firefighter... words fail me as to what jackass failed that EV cable installation. Let alone anything else in this video. I would like to see what Davo Savo says about it...
I understand that as a jealousy from someone saw a successful young guys doing great job and want to demoralise them.. GO ARTISANS and never look back.
Respect for putting this video out there. I can see you take pride in your work, which follows through in your nice installs.
It’s unfortunate that the poor and even dangerous workmanship is not picked up… or is it ?
Wonder if they are paid by the fail code? £50 a fail? I couldn't see any code 2's there, let alone a code 1. Demoralizing.
I agree with Jacob. Good job Corey. Corey, keep up the GREAT WORK!!!
Working with government agencies myself it would appear that the auditor has had a fire put under his/her ass in regards to possibly, why too many of the installs are approved.Told to go back re-audit. This involves picking holes / split hairs without rationality. There is always a need to label everything - see serving suggestion front of a cornflakes packet for those who are unsure how to use - but if you are an electrician needing a label to identify which conductor is what, then it's time for a career change.
Time to audit the auditors and for the benefit of doubt, Sharing knowledge and continuing improvement.....It would be prudent to meet with OLEV .
Mate.That was a quality vlog,Think you guys do stunning work across the board,it’s people that don’t get there hands dirty and sit behind desks finding faults that aren’t really there.Truth betold
The Earth wire is green and yellow for the very reason that colour blind people will be able to identify it! (It’s the most important conductor to get right to avoid live casings etc) so it’s two colours, thus no matter how you perceive colours, you’ll see it’s the only cable that’s striped.
I'm wondering if there is any financial benefit for an auditor needing a return visit to ensure these "code violations" have been rectified? Ridiculous stuff. Chin up Cory, I'd be proud claiming your standard and that of all the guys at Artisan Electrics work as my own.
Hold on - they want metal clips for the armoured externally but are happy with plastic plugs holding the metal on? What happens when the plug melts and that cable falls harmlessly 5" to the floor? THE HUMANITY! What a complete joke.
From the States, I had a city inspector swing by today and check my hardwired EV charger that was installed Friday. He literally just looked at the charger and looked at how it was mounted. Stepped back and said "well, the lights are on, does it charge the car?" And it does charge. He just asked a couple questions about the wire and how it was routed into the basement. He said "I'm sure they got it wired correctly in the breaker box" and that was really it. He never asked to go into the basement to take a look.
This was not an audit but I assume my city would be at least a little more concerned and do a better inspection. I mean, we didn't open any panels at all and we didn't even plug in my car which was right there next to the charger.
I'm a plumber. I was called out for not putting a stop valve where the water enters the house. I turned the water line through the floor and put a stop valve there... because no-one could operate a valve in a 4 inch crawlspace. I was told that I had to put a valve in, or it would not pass inspection. We had to cut a hole in the floor to put a valve in, as there was no way to access it any other way. Luckily the home owner was on the same page as me, and it didn't cost me a customer. Sometimes the inspectors just lack common sense, and are too "by the book". Those who know, do.... those who are learning , teach... and those who think they know, Inspect.
OMG now I know why I left the industry when the 16th Edition Regs came out. Some things never change 😃 Keep up the amazing work 👍🏻 Trev
Not an EV install, but we had a rental property EICR come back with £250 unnecessary work (zone 2 fan, I think). Asked for a 2nd quote from another sparks - went back and challenged it as not in zone 2, got passing cert issued. Lesson - don't use openrent for electrical inspections.
1). I hope Jordan is defending you......
2). Please invite Mr D Savery to review this as I'm sure he'd love to get involved with the regs ;-)
Keep up the good work!!
I always tell my customers when going over my PV systems when they ask if the electricians who will work on their house in the future will know how to shut off the solar electric connection to the grid. I always tell them if the electrician doesn't know how to shut off the solar power with all the stickers and disconnects that are connected to it then you should not let him work on your house. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are my favorites lol
Are we sure the auditor wasn’t a Mr N Bundy ? 😆😂
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No such thing as ambulance drivers. Paramedics, who as part of their life saving duties is to safely drive their rigs/ bus often at high speed to get to you and your loved ones. Ex FDNY Paramedic
I've learnt to just install your own EVC unit and completely do away with the customers existing board. I understand it's more pricey but you can pick up a unit quite cheap these days if you shop around.
The auditor is cleary New to the job or has some sort of authority issues.
That exterior cable run is way neater than our domestic charge point install. ( Not done by yourselves. ) Ours must be a C2 as well by the auditors reckoning. We actually had the DNO ( Scottish Power ) out to inspect ours as we are on a looped supply. They had no issues with the install.
We are now in a world of 3 types of people. 1. Competent and honest 2. Incompetent but honest they just don’t know better. 3 competent but looking for any opportunity to rip people off.
My GF recently had an EICR on her flat 1 valid C2 for wrong IP box on bathroom fan despite it being isolated. 🤷♂️. The other 10 which were followed by a quote for £780. Plus a strong recommend to change the CU to AFDD to “meet future regs” at £950.
Well, you've just annoyed the EV mafia, prepare yourself for a super audit.
Dekra by any chance 🤣. I've had a few c2 for no fire clips on a cable running 2m along an outside wall below knee height, customers origional dB not being fire rated, condensation present on door of ip dB. I've also had wrong make/model of ev charger, wrong earthing arrangement noted by dekra. I also had no spd installed when it's built into the charger.
Once had a home inspector take a picture in a crawl space of where the gas line entered the house with the note "Gas line is not bonded". Literally on the other side of the wall and in one of their other pictures, was where the gas line was bonded on the outside, clear as day and in the open.
We bought a property in Lincolnshire, that required some work. A local sparks told us he couldn't do any work unless he changed the plastic consumer units for metal ones. I'm not as green, as I am cabbage looking. He didn't get the job.
I love the video and I'm an electrician myself. One thing :D You've read the label on the mains SAYING ''Switch mains before removing the cover'' and you still removed it without switching the mains OFF! :D I'll be honest, I do that myself but it's hilarious how you've just read it and still didn't do it :D