World War 3 simulation Operation Unthinkable
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2022
- Is this scenario, I did an alternate scenario based on the concept of "Operation Unthinkable"
This Operation was a real idea that passed through Winston Churchill's head, consisting a plan to invade the Soviet Union right after the end of WW2 in Europe.
I did 2 scenarios, both of them consisted in western allies destroying the soviet units as fast as possible, and using nukes as well.
In the first scenario, soviets resisted the first attack and western allies failed to destroy the advanced soviet units.
On the second one, western allies successfully destroyed part os the soviet frontline and decimated the country in a span of 2~ years.
No, this video haven't taken 8 months, I just took a break.
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I can't imagine how fucked that timeline would be, launching a world war when all of Europe is already a war-torn wasteland.
It would probably be better than what we have now.
There would have been no cold war and quite possibly a much more western influenced Russia.
@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 there would not be anyone in europe by the end of the war, the marshall plan would fail miserably just because europe would be inexistent, europe would probably become the 3rd world in this timeline.
@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 it would have been atleast 2X worse and we wouldnt have a spacerace
@@itsnotwhatyouthink6863 the casualties wouldbe extremly high even higher than WW2 and the world would be a nuclear wasteland
@@raiogelato6921 Exactly and America would have suffered millions of deaths.
world war 2: *ends*
soviet union: *existing*
The USA: Alright, One more time
Lol true
Oh and let's make countries that were invaded existant
If only
Europe : Oh WHEN ?!?!? WHEN WILL IT END ?!?!?!?!?!????!!!
By existing you mean killing millions, including my people?
The plan actually wanted to use the remnants of the Wehrmacht to bolster his forces. But at this point 90% of the Wehrmacht's experienced troops had been killed, captured, or put out of action, so I doubt the Allies would benefit much.
Don't forget that Slavic nations and some allied countries probably wouldn't fight along remnants of people who murdered their families and Soviet Union would win in eyes of the world because while Soviet Union wanted to wipe out N@zi murderers allies allied with them so they actually became allies of people who had blood of countless people on their hands. Don't forget that after nuking major Soviet cities like Kiev and Minsk it would result in countless deaths of civilians so US and the west would definetely be seen as the new Nazis or someone comparable to them because of them killing innocent Civilians.
So yeah I think that right after the start of operation Unthinkable Soviet Union would win definetely.
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What makes no sense about this plan is that if the western Allies really wanted to take down the Soviet Union, they could’ve called Hitler in 1938 and said “hey let’s invade the Soviets and defeat communism once and for all!” before Stalin had a chance to really mobilize his forces and raise the USSR to its military strength.
I'm pretty sure the ukrainians and belarussians wouldn't support the allies after getting nuked by them lol, it makes no sense. I know you said your scenario wasn't meant to be realistic but god, there's a step.
To be fair they’d rather join the winning side rather than the losing one even if it means they’re capital gets nuked
Look at reality, Japan is an ally of the US, they got nuked twice by them.
Japan joins the chat: here’s the story about me and the Allies
@@KeyUploads Either or they’d still rather be in becoming Independent even if it means getting they’re capital nuked.
Ukraine probably would join. Belarus no
Benelux: *about to get invaded*
Luxembourg: at least im safe because im staying neutral!
The Western allies: *occupies Luxembourg just before the soviets reach Benelux*
Luxembourg: *you little...*
I always wondered what would have been in Asia considering the Japanese Empire still didn't surrender until September 1945 and were fighting the western allies and Republic of China. Nevertheless, amazing video, possibly the best WW3 West vs USSR videomapping video I've ever seen.
Either White peace between them and the allies or got defeated the same way as in our timeline
well USA used he nukes on the Soviets instead of on Japan so i see Japan lasting a little longer on its own but not wanting to become communist would start fighting the Soviets alongside Americans
@Solar Carott 8s wife Japan didnt want to become Communist which is why they surrendered to the Allies before the Soviets could land troops in their mainland. The nukes only speed up that process
Japan still had a capable army with millions still alive ready for combat and with a firm anti-communist sentiment, Japan would white peace and be forced to leave their occupied territories before the war in asia and they would probably be forced to declare war on the soviets
@Solar Carott 8s wife It would be actually even you didn't say it, the Northern Japan in present day has Communist, but kept in hide, since Japan has become strong in economies, same for S.Korea, they didn't stick on N.Korea communist
Definitely a Soviet victory if nukes were not used. Largest land army, a huge air force, battle hardened soldiers. American and British troops would be confused why they are fighting against their former ally so there could be revolts and strife in the allied armies, meanwhile the Soviets see it as an act of betrayal and would be more motivated.
Logistics win the wars and the allies win that part by a long shot. All of the allied countries population were larger than the soviets which meant in dire situations they could draft even more troops that the soviets had. But it is difficult to say for sure who would win. But nukes wouldn't be taken out of the scenario. Allies would nuke the soviet armies and logistics routes giving the allies a near guarenteed win.
Nah, the numerical advantage of the soviets wasn't that great.
True. The Soviets would see the invasion as a betrayal and fight to the death for their country, like what happened in WW2. The western allied soldiers would know it was a offensive war and be unmotivated to fight. Throughout the whole WW2 allied soldiers were constantly met with pro-soviet propaganda. They would definetly not be motivated to fight and the Russians would be. Also the Sovietd were more powerful.
@@mrspirus5735 только доставить это ядерное оружие было проблематично + их было мало, для понтов они изготовили 2 бомбы, а следующие 4-5 бомбы еще через 2 года будут изготовлены, и самолеты перехватить можно будет
More doesn't equal victory, the USSR had at minimum over 50% of its aviation fuel come from the allies. Hard to fight when your air force is dead, your army is getting bombed to shit, and your getting outproduced.
Ww3 in 1945=ww2 continued
I agree
It's just that a new faction is at war with the allies, it's the comintern
@@Murmanskkk*cominform
Everyone gangsta until victorious USSR decides to itself into "Eurasia".
The true backstory of 1984
Yes,it is
you've been gone for a long time, and return with a spectacular well-defined alt history scenario. I liked to see there were two scenarios _to keep everyone happy_ and the frontlines/events were pretty realistic in my opinion. Great to have you back, and this was a great upheaval!
what i found that wasnt realistic is, east germany was the leader of warsaw pact but were taken first. noone wants the troops in the warsaw pact either so socialism would fall in warsaw pact and they join western allies
Автор мог бы учесть , что во Франции и Италии после ВМВ победили коммунисты , лишь план маршалла исключил их из правительства. А если бы союзники напали на Союз , половина избирателей молча бы на это смотрели ? Это как минимум всеобщие забастовки а как максимум гражданские войны
Video was amazing and I really enjoyed it keep up the good work dude
When we needed the legend most, he returned.
2 the ending is definitely impossible, 1) Stalin was informed about this operation and he accumulated almost 15 million soldiers at the borders of the eastern bloc
15m counting reserves and other fronts, not all on the eastern bloc, however, I agree with your initial statements.
2 is more probable than 1. Western Allies would have had total dominance in the air, which in on itself is quite a defining factor. Advancing Soviet armies would've been bombed to ash, their supply lines reduced to rubble. Their troops were also much, much better equipped, and the equipment itself was also superior (to their Soviet counterparts) Western tanks, planes, basically everything they had was better. Soviets also had many Western made equipment in their arsenal at the time, though those would run out of spare parts and maintenance would've haunted them. With Lend&Lease gone, Soviets would have had a much harder time keeping their armies effective.
Stalin did NOT accumulate 15 million soldiers on the borders of the Eastern Bloc, he did not have that many. Some of their troops were also stationed on the Pacific Front at the time, due to the Japanese. Although the same also goes for the Western Allies, their logistics capabilities was way superior to the Soviets so they could much more easily bring those soldiers back to Europe.
@@arcaipekyun4232 Техника "превосходит" СССР у СССР было 64 000 танков тотже самы т34-85или ис намного превосходили Союзников у СССР было достаточно Авиации чтобы быть на равне с США и пво и артилерии было у СССР больше и при войне у СССР было около 2-7 милионов ветреанов войны но так восновном действуйщея армия было 6 000 000 солдат
@@Mudrec2287 The USSR manufactured about 156,000 aircraft while the USA manufactured about 324,000, the USSR had lost about 27M people and its military capacity is not as unlimited as we have been led to believe.
@@Mudrec2287t34s we’re inferior. In Korea t34-85ms went against Sherman’s and were completely outmatched and obliterated
Allies has air and naval power but Soviet has land power
Nah air would be contested.
no, allies had better infantry and tanks. the only field where soviets were better was artillery.
@@ussindianapolis487 buddy the whole 12m strong Soviet army was MUCH more experienced than the much smaller allied army.Each Soviet solider had experienced grueling battles that the allies couldn't compare to at all.The Soviets undoubtedly had better tanks and much more numerous and the Allies only had better infantry equipment
@@Rebas198 they experienced very hard battles, thats a fact, but it doesnt mean they would be more effective than allies. russian infantry tactics were pretty much "run straight at the enemy, try not to die". soviet is-2 was superior to any allied tank but t-34 kinda sucked. it had strong armor, decent gun, very good mobility but it had zero situational awerness and ergonomy didnt exist. so it would be much less effective than american shermans and british churchills and comets. russian tankers had almost zero experience because soviet tanks survivability was very low.
@@ussindianapolis487 Russian tactics had changed by that point.It was like that on the outside but on the inside the Soviets conducted very carefully aggressive attacks in the late stages of the war.They had learnt well from their mistakes.Also the Western Allies simply couldn't match the Soviet War Industry.It was more efficient and effective than the British one as it endured much more.Sure the Americans and British combined would have definitely toppled the Soviet industry but America was a ocean away.There was simply put it,no way the allies could have ever won against the Soviets in 1946 when there was nothing for the allies to fall back to and wear the Soviets out
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Eastern Victory iirc is how 1984 happned: USSR conquers Europe, British Empire and USA fuse and are taken over by INGSOC. Middle East and North Africa decolonised and become 'the Free World'.
Sorry that im replying to this like 1 year after, but in the 1984 book, via map by George orwell, some regions in Africa are still occupied by European regimes.
The Middle east is actually freed
I wanna point out some mistakes:
Finland wouldn’t join since, it’s very unlikely they would, and I think the communists in France would as a result ride up, as well as in Greece etc. that’s all, and good video
There were also very active and militant communist movements in Italy as well
At this period, communism was too popular and many many people around the world support it.
So it's too hard calculate war if this plan was started.
Amazing video as always!
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Yes!
Those who thinks that the UK should have launched the operation after ww2, does not know the true size of the soviet army after the war.
Edit:It has been a whole month and people is still fighting in my reply
Exactly, simply the fact that the allies made progress in this scenario is stupid, also, I doubt that nukes would be used, as they didn't have ICBM's yet and the planes could be easily taken down by the much larger Soviet Airforce.
Red Army have 8 million soldiers, allies only 5 million
@@crock3251the allies air force was very much bigger than the soviet air force
@@alexanderchampi7230 The majority of the allied air force was placed in the pacific.
@@crock3251 your ignorance is very big
few corrections i'd make;
- Operation unthinkable was to be executed when the second world war was still undone, so all the allied powers that took part in it wouldve still participated (saying this because I saw countries like Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Denmark being neutral)
- the two Germanies shouldve been shown as occupation zones, the German governments hadnt been installed yet, same goes for Iraq and Iran, which were still under british and (for the case of Iran only) soviet military occupations. Not sure about that but even Italy could have been shown as an occupied territory, but I guess they had a government that was fighting for the allies so ill give it a pass (even tho italy started off as neutral fsr)
- greece was already undergoing its civil war, basically it could have been part of this wider west versus east war scenario
- spain in no way wouldve joined the western allies, most realistically they wouldve stayed neutral, same for portugal (though unlike spain, i can understand a portugal entry)
- countries like bulgaria and hungary were still under soviet occupation at the time, their governments had surrendered
- really not sure how the ussr won - or even survived for that matter- after having three nuclear bombs dropped at its largest cities, perhaps that should have been avoided in this althist
Ussr : 12 millions of soldiers, twice as many planes, artillery and tanks
@@SankaiPlayZ allies had around 300 ~ 400 thousand planes and Soviets had around 130 thousand
@@ellisonsmith2526 planes can't win a war alone when your enemy has twice as many tanks, artillery and soldiers as you
@@aitsuki22 what are you talking about? The Allies had *more* tanks, *more* planes, *more* artillery - the only thing they were outnumbered was in troops. But honestly that would amount to very little considering Soviet troops were unorganized, undersupplied, untrained and with non-existent morale and would have to spent fighting Polish - Baltic - Ukrainian - etc revolutionaries.
And even if the Soviets outnumbered the Allies in everything you say, the Allies (or America rather) was still far from being fully mobilized and could’ve easily mobilized another 11+ million America troops.
Operation Unthinkable would’ve absolutely been won by the Allies
@@mstticr they didn't have more artillery nor more tanks than the USSR. Please stick to good sources instead of American propaganda.
The Allies: *well that was a miscalculation*
The eastern Victory has a bigger chance of happening becouse by 1945 the soviet union had over 11 million troops on its borders and it had its industry in full swing
The Soviet Army was also completely reliant on material aid from the US, particularly for logistics. The idea of the invincible Soviet Army is pretty much the new invincible German Army myth, the Soviets would’ve collapsed in 1941 had the Western Allies not begun the Lend Lease and indeed the Soviet Union was only properly capable of pushing the Germans out of its country when the Western Allies had already landed in France.
The West would’ve mopped the floor with Russia in this scenario.
@@samuelsstuffytAnd you find it funny?
@@samuelsstuffyt that is complete nonsense. In 1941 the soviets already managed to defend Moscow and prevent it from being in the frontlines for the rest of the war. Lend-lease in 1941 was irrelevant and most of the equipment sent could easily be produced in the USSR, even though their push against Germany would be slower. Lend-lease made the war last shorter, but was not vital for soviet survival.
@@MatheusVinicius_ "Lend Lease in 1941 was irrelevant" - Yes, and also in 1941 the Soviets had lost most of the Western portion of their nation and was teetering on the brink of collapse, the fact that the Germans didn't capture Moscow had little to do with the strength of the Soviet Army and more the fact they were already vastly overstretched by that point and was in the middle of the Russian Winter.
You've fell for Putin-Era Revisionist Propaganda, literally research the Lend Lease... the Soviets where wholly dependent on the West specifically in Logistics. Despite Lend Lease it still took until 1943 for the USSR to be able to go on a somewhat major offensive (Uranus) and could only succeed in Bagration with the opening of a THIRD FRONT in France by the Allies.
Again, the whole idea that the USSR won WW2 by itself is completely fiction and is on the same level of idiocy required to believe as the Clean Wehrmacht Myth or the Invincible German Army Myth...
Their front line troops were decimated. Zhukov had said to Stalin that they had run out of reserves by the time and had to take Berlin with what they had. This even seems to be in the case in non bias sources. The WW2 mapping video with army sizes video on RUclips showcases the push to Berlin shrunk the Soviet army down from 6.7 Million men, to 5.7 Million. Part of the reason was because of logistical problems, overstretched supply lines, etc.
Now imagine stretching that line from Berlin to the Rhine, with no reserves. That would’ve shrunk the Red Army down more than a million in two months time considering they aren’t fighting someone fighting three different fronts, no air force, etc.
They would’ve advanced with human waves, stopped at the very best at the borders of France. Then got counter attacked and collapse.
great video as always!
no matter what, france never fails to get invaded by going around their defenses
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Western allies lost because Luxembourg didn't join them
Of course the ad I get after the Soviet victory is an ad for Adventure Communist..
wasnt the soviet army like 3 times the size of the allied army at the time? i dont think that would go very well for mr churchill
Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win but really depends on what happens they would might take the Benelux region and some of France but they dnt have the resources to win that war also they dnt have nukes
@@4RSTbro us have only 2 nukes, and Japan still not surrender, that was beaten from Asia by Soviets in August
@@4RST "Logistically the Soviets wouldn't win" Never eard of Aleksandr Vasilevsky invasion of machuria ?
Ever heard of US lend lease? The vast majority of Russian boots and trucks were American made.@@Josef_Stalin1878-
@@Josef_Stalin1878- irrelevant, that's against a beaten and dead Japanese force, with also much smaller numbers.
Any attack against the Allies would not only have required the combined force of everything the Soviets could muster (requiring more supply) but the superior Allied air forces (the single strongest force at the time, no contest) would've reduced all their supply lines to rubble.
Meanwhile the US was fighting on 2 fronts each on an entirely different continent from both each other and the mainland US, separated by 2 different oceans. Yet they managed it no problem, they even managed to supply the Soviet, British and Chinese armies on top of their own.
Amazing comeback 👍
Pretty sure the entire reason Operation Unthinkable was not done is because the Americans knew the Soviets would win
Soviets would lose 8 million a day and keep pushing INSANITY
There were many reasons, but the main one was that the Americans that it was a fucking stupid plan that would never work because of logistics, and the manpower and material it would take.
Bro by 1946 we would’ve been halfway through Poland
The soviets would have been driven out of Europe by the end of 1947.
Soviet and Japan would teamup against ally if the UK launch that stupid plan, the UK was always the snakes.
Great vid!
Great video!
I like how you included an Eastern and Western Victory.
Luxembourg was the largest contributor in this war fr
Belgium not even worth mentioning...
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In the western victory scenario there are a few errors, Ukraine wouldnt have Crimea, it only gained it in the 50s.
The polish border would probably be reverted back to the one we had in 1939, because East Prussia only became Polish due to Soviet forced migrations of Germans
Ukraine would probably not have Transcarpathia either, or western odessa, which was Romanian back then.
Suggestions for next videos: what if Central Powers won WW1(not kaiserreich just your version of it) and more about the fronts of what if axis won ww2
I’m pretty sure the soviets and its allies would win against the combined strength of the western allies itself, The soviets could at least bolster a massive force before the US could even pull its troops from the pacific.
And the possibilty of Soviet Japan coalition too.
The scenario starts in 1946 so the Americans would get all their military assets into Europe
@@VodkaPandasthe Japanese hated the Soviets, they invaded Manchuria and committed atrocities there
@@DavidNaval Churchill's Operation Unthinkable plan to attack the Soviet Union was scheduled for 1 July 1945, just after defeat of Germany.
@@DavidNaval At that time Soveit Union was not yet invaded Manchuria, and still on non aggression pact.
The name of the city was Kiev btw, Kyiv is the modern Ukrainian name
no.
Yeah, they changed it for some reason.
@@SidorovichGaming Deny it, but it is the truth.
Kiev is russian pronouncetio. Kyiv is ukrainian thats all that's simple.
Kyiv was already official during the USSR. Ukranian was the main official language in Ukraine.
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Music by Alexander Alexandrov
Get up, huge country,
Stand up for mortal combat
With fascist dark power,
With the damned horde!
May the rage be noble
Boils like a wave!
There is a people's war going on,
Holy war!
Like two different poles
We are hostile in everything.
we fight for light and peace,
They are for the kingdom of darkness.
Let's fight back the stranglers
All fiery ideas,
Rapists, robbers,
Tormentors of people!
Black wings dare not
Fly over the Motherland,
Its fields are spacious
The enemy does not dare to trample!
Rotten fascist evil spirits
Let's drive a bullet into the forehead,
The scum of humanity
Let's put together a strong coffin!
Let's go break with all our might,
With all my heart, with all my soul
For our dear land,
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A huge country is rising,
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In soviet times Niznyi Novgorod is called Gorkyi'
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Bro learned war from a burger king bathroom💀🇷🇺🇺🇦
Bro this is literally 1946 Soviet Union with 10m+ troops, not Russia with their special military operation
"Soldier, I know we fought for six years and lost countless lives including your best friend but were about to invade the Russians"
Sometimes bad things gotta happen for good things to happen
@@4RSTyour utopia is my dystopia
@@belkYTYour utopia killed 100 million
@@4RSTstupid
They should have done it
your mother and father shouldn’t have done it
I think the first scenario is more realistic (no, it's not because I'm Russian, it's just that the Soviets had more army, morale and experience)
lol first scenario would never happened
@@souxle- Now - yes :)
@@souxle- no, in that scenario Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania and East Germany side with USSR
Now, with Russia only Belarus, Serbia and Syria
+ 5/15 republics of USSR (Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova) are NATO allies)
So, pls don't belive US' news, that's propaganda, and Russian news is propaganda too.
Stay neutral
They were not only Americans and British, they also planned to free German POW in exchange for joining the war against the USSR.
@@Moskovskiy_RUclipsr Russia could not even take kyiv LMAO
Why does the author consider wartime measures by the USSR (which did absolutely all the warring countries) as war crimes, but not the atomic bombing of cities?
Beca use comiese are monsters
@@nievescaballero2792 based
Cuz its allied anti-soviet biased video
Nukes were not that advanced in 1945, they were pretty much just invented, and probably took like just 30% of Kiev and Minsk
@@fecalstorm антисоветское = предвзятое😄 ясно
Czechoslovakia would get Carpathian Ruthenia in second scenario
Yo we want tutorial. how did you do that animation and what program did you use ? i really like it.
Moscow nuked
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One major aspect of this that can't be overlooked is organized labor among the Western Allies. Continuing the war against a country they had been told were allies for years, especially when the continent had already been ravaged since 1939, would have been a hard sell to the voters at home. And considering the Communist presence in Western labor movements at the time, these governments likely would have been met with outright hostility at home.
Materiel problems would be likely for the Western Allies, and the Soviet Bloc would be able to wreak havoc with spies and infiltrators. Massive strikes and protests would be a certainty. Acts of sabotage and terrorism would be likely. We can't even necessarily rule out a country like France flipping to a revolt. As a result of this, many of the Allies would probably end up taking draconian measures on the home front, severely suppressing freedom of speech and association.
The result of Unthinkable would have been ruin, chaos, and mass death. We should count our entire SPECIES lucky it didn't happen.
Good job!
Bro it is definitly a crooked timeline: finland and austri were neitral, spain too, ukranian and belarussian were never support american after beiing nuked
4:08 Then NATO unified into 1 Nation, and after a civil war with INGSOC it became Oceania, while the Warsaw pact became Eurasia
The beginning of 1984
You should have showed how many losses each side had. Great video!
Infinite Soviet losses
I like how Luxembourg didn't do anything til the end lol
*Dmitry Yazov has joined the call*
Swiss: Why's everybody fighting?
Soviet turned into Axis powers or Warsaw pact and Allies defeated communist but i think it was literrally if Allies helped N4z*s to invade USSR
there seems to be one song that isn't in the
description....
This is probably Lead to the 1984 novel
do a scenario of ww1/2 or 21st century if napoleon won the Napoleonic wars
Great scenario! I was wondering where were you, and i realised how much did this took you time!
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Russia got nuked 3 times and still managed to win, respecc
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In english pls
@@ruka3219 he doesn't understand english man
*Japan: What's happening? Did i miss something?*
It's interesting that your showing major retreats and I love it.
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good video btw
Imagine just finishing a world war then one year later ww3 starts☠️💀
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Those Battlefield 1 ending game sound was really me feel comfortable
3th Alternative scenario would have been, that the war would have ended in a stalemate, for example, the frontline would have been, that the part once beeing part of the German Empire(2th Reich), to the eastern front of today Czech Republic, Hungary and Croatia. Both Sides would have made a peace treaty (name example: Treaty of Zagreb) and we would have just like in our timeline a cold war between the USA and the Soviet Union(USSR). The frontline in the Caucasus region didn't really change so it will remain just like before the war. Maybe NATO and the Warsaw Pact would exist in this scenario in a bit of a different form. Also there could have been war, with the Republic of China, Japan and the occupied South Korean territory and they would have also made a fight against Communist China and against the Soviet union, which would also have had ended in a stalemate, by Manchuria and Communist China beeing captured and defeated and the frontline just a few kilometers before Vladivostok.
Japan's army was shit in 1945
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What's the name of the song that plays from 0:48 to 3:24?
the Sacred war epic remix
@@Moskovskiy_RUclipsr ty
I still think the soviet victory would be more realistic cause of the number advantage and the soviets drive to wage a war to survive
The allies could have drafted more men especially because the soviet manpower pool was mostly depleted and were already employed within the military. The allies also had the air naval and technological advantage as well as logistics and economics (the ussr was also very reliant on American supplies which would dry up once the us stopped supplying the Soviets
Im not sure if allied planes can go as far to moscow, the more realistic one is leningrad
The agreement of splitting up europe wasnt even made by then. It was simply May 8th 1945 borders with the remaining german territory being divided into 2. The red army was, in my opinion, the strongest in 1945. At least land-wise. The USA, though, had a stronger air force and navy. Though a navy wouldn’t really matter as the USSR’s coastline is 99% frozen. They wiped out japan, conquering all of manchuria within two weeks and pushed down Korea, taking down almost a million japanese. Had this happened, im pretty sure the soviets would have some sort of victory as a stalemate even if they didnt get anything since they were the one defending. I mean, the west was already fighting the Japanese. And, the soviet union would not attack japan had the west attacked. The west would be fighting with two powerful countries. Also, many western soldiers were friends with the soviets so i think they will not fight the soviets or have low morale, as they would protest about having a third world war. They were already sick and tired of WW2. They would have been so relieved that the germans surrendered and the japanese were going to be defeated soon, but, when they hear that THEIR LEADERS ATTACKED the soviet union, they would be filled with rage, considering THEY were the aggressors. Many people in the UK and America, who had a good image of the USSR after the USA and USSR were great allies, would also be outraged and protest.
Ultimately, i see this war ending in a stalemate with the soviet union securing eastern europe, and the west still being in france, after suing for peace. But, im pretty sure the soviet union will never help the west by attacking japan in this timeline, so they would maybe have to actually land in japanese mainland.
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Video Idea: what if steiner attack happened?
It's just crazy that loud version of the holy war started playing in the beginning.
I don't think that Finland would ever get St. Petersburg even in such scenario
It was Uralic land until Russians conquered it.
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King Michael would join allies and allies would have supported Greater Romania territories
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What was the song used in the Soviet victory? It sounds like the song "Sacred war" from Hearts of Iron 4.
Operation Unthinkable was created, not to destroy all USRR and capture Moscow, but to liberate Poland and the Czechs. Full West victory and the ultimate collapse of USSR (Hitler try to do this, and we all know how it ended) was impasible. I know that this is only funny YT video, and Im too seriulsy, but this is too imposible scenario. But video has very high quality and i like this. Have nice day
Tbh in Soviet era nizhny novgorod was a gorky in old name and it changed to nizhny novgorod once Russia federation is formed
7:39 Bye Bye USSR hello again Russian Empire
Yay he uploaded
very good video......
Nice scenario bro, but what is the name of the music at 0:48?
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Write like this in Russian.
The sacred war (epic ver)
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I dont think Yugoslavia would join the soviets side since Tito did not like the communism that Stalin liked, he also alligned with the west and had democratic and capitalistic features in his nation
The Yugoslav-Soviet Split handy happened yet
Советско-Югославский Раскол случился позже.
All those SS/Wehrmacht units when they arrive in Stalin/Leningrad the second time: so this is what the power of friendship gets us
Nice!
Operation unthinkable would be gone wrong for the allies, in 1945 Soviet Union had 10 million trained soldiers in Europe. The Europe would ve been taken. But not us not uk
13million on the European front, and about 2 million in the Asian front
I highly doubt an allied victory would be doable, German infrastructure was so fucked up by the time that a offensive like that would be a meat grinder for the allies, France was very weak and i dont think the public would accept an even deadlier war months after the end of ww2. The USSR also had a quite sizeable weapon stockpile and airforce. The nukes are outright impossible since planes would need to cross thousands of kilometers deep into enemy airspace without being intercepted by a larger airforce. Realistically the allies would lose europe, Britain would be in a similar position as they were in ww2, the Soviets couldnt invade the US or the UK, any "D-day" invasions would be obliterated. The territorial losses and further casualties + destruction would cause massive unrest and mutiny on the allied armies.
Nah. The West could easily stop Soviet advances.
You mention the infrastructure acting against the Allies, but not against the Soviets? Why? Especially given the Soviets were way more dependent on railways (as opposed to the Western Allies who were more motorised)
Soviet Air Force (VVS) was no contestant to the combined USAAF and RAF power. In 1945 the US was producing aircraft at a rate of nearly 100 thousand per year, mind you the Soviets only produced less than 150 thousand during the whole war. Western planes were also better. For example P-47 were much better CAS aircraft than the Il-2, the primary Soviet CAS aircraft.
Nukes can be more effectively used on Soviet army formations and supply hubs, to devastating effect still.