A number of things. To begin with, you have improved wildly in the four years since you last did this. The close ups give a better view, the timeline is more reasonable, and you are the first mapper I've seen to stick to the actual battle plan for Kyushu. Well done! Also, I liked how the Allies didn't take what they didn't have to. Southeast Asia was largely ignored, the Shikoku campaign was basically abandoned, and the Soviets didn't bleed themselves to death taking mountaintops they didn't need. Last and least, Jesus, the Japanese occupied Shanghai until 1947? Considering the Japanese Three Alls policy and how vindictive their soldiers must have been feeling by that point, that must have been Hell on Earth
This reminds me of an anime movie I watched, where a Soviet-controlled Hokkaido squaring off against a US-occupied Japan late into the Cold War provides the background for the plot.
@@SunnyBlam The Place Promised in Our Early Days - it's a very interesting and touching romance with sci-fi elements including the use of technology to enter dreams.
“I was 12 years old, and that day was clear... Suddenly I saw a bolt of lightning, or what looked like tens of thousands of lightning bolts flashing in one moment, then a huge explosion rang out, and suddenly the place was completely dark. When I woke up, I found my hair withered, and my clothes were torn. My skin is falling off my body, my flesh is exposed and my bones are exposed. Everyone was suffering from severe burns, and they were crying, screaming and walking on their faces like a line of ghosts. Our city has been covered in complete darkness, after it had only recently been teeming with life. The fields have been burned and there is no longer anything to remind us of life.” hiroshima explosion survivor
This is very great, amazing quality, though i have some complaints, mainly that the boxes for the zoomed regions are too large, and i think the offensives would be a bit quicker. I don't see soviets not capturing the Kurils by 1946
I think that might have been like how we ignored certain islands in the Pacific an only took the ones we needed to advance. With much fiercer resistance on continental Asia and Hokkaido, a couple of islands probably fell further back on their priority list.
The old one was ridiculous. The Japanese would have no food, no ammo, even no water. They could resist until ‘47 or '48 at most, because -unlike Vietnam or Afghanistan-Americans would use total military power against them. There would be a genocide in the end.
I don't think USSR would involve, immidiately. They planned to occupied the whole East Asia mainland from Japan, specifically include China & Korea after their success in Manchuria. If USSR succeed on this one, I'm sure Korea won't be divided between North & South. Well, if USSR have quickly done their job in invading East Asia mainland before Western Allies fully done in Japan, USSR might join the invasion on Japan too, by attacking through the North side (Hokkaido), but as I say USSR need to pass through China & Korea first that was also heavily defended by a large amount remaining left of Japanese Army and let alone their Korean who became their puppet that been forced to, by IJA, in defending their territory in East Asia.
This is significantly better than the last one. However, i think that the war doesn't exactly drag on as long as it should. I still don't think the Soviets would have easily punched through Manchuria and Korea like that, especially considering the mountainous territory they would have been forced to trudged through, much unlike the plains of Ukraine, or for that matter, the plains of Northern Manchuria. Shanghai being occupied by 1947 is...very questionable, i don't think by that point Japan would have been focusing on still fighting the KMT by that point. Plus, what about the communist rebels in China?
They did in real life though, look up the manchuria invasion in mid-late 1945, and the soviets were heavily equipped and experienced, while japan lacked armor and its land forces were quite lacking
@@obamagaming-zv4vy That's because the Emperor declared surrender by the 15th of August. As a result, the Japanese forces collapsed, since now, why would they keep fighting when their Emperor no longer wants to do so?
@@obamagaming-zv4vy And at Mutainchang, the Soviets still suffered around 21,000 casualties (the Japanese estimated the Soviet casualties at 10,000), whilst the Japanese suffered 25,000 casualties.
@@obamagaming-zv4vy Not only that, most of their advances occured in Northern Manchuria and its plains, until 6 days later on the 15th of August. The Japanese then surrendered en-masse, and the Soviets then sweeped into Southern Manchuria and Korea.
I don't think it's realistic that the Japanese would have surrendered in conventional warfare. They probably would have fought until every single last adult in the country was dead simply to delay the allies because that's what their culture demanded of them, especially at that point in the war.
0:10 The atomic bombs were not effective at all to make the Japanese surrender. When the Soviets rushed into Manchuria, the Japanese realised that they were done.
That’s soviet propaganda. The Americans dropped two bombs and threatened a third. That’s when the Japanese surrendered. The Americans were able of destroying their entire country, not the Soviets.
@@ConorBredin-ui3cd Nope, the bombs did nothing. The bombardment of Tokyo was far worse, but the Japanese were still resisting. In 9th August, Soviets rushed into Manchuria and the Japanese resisted against them until they gave up six days later.
Yes, a couple tanks rolling over the Amur were as influential as two cities ceasing to exist over a single week. Even if that were true, the absence of the nukes would probably mean the Japanese still wouldn't surrender. Even with the Soviets and nukes, in real life the Japanese high command had to be forced by Hirohito to surrender. Hell, an actual coup was attempted to prevent this surrender. Without nukes, the invasion would have occurred, and millions more would have died.
@@ianschmutzler8177 “A couple of tanks” (1.6M soldiers, 3.7K aircraft, 5.5K tanks) disconnected the Korean peninsula and the main manpower (armies in the Chinese soil) of the Japanese. The bombardment of Tokyo was worse, but the Japanese military had a hope based on Soviet neutrality and the security of Manchuria.
I doubt that Soviets would take all of Korea as they had an agreement with the US to split Korea. The Soviets would stop once they reached the 38th parallel.
But in this alternate Timelime, Soviet would occupied it. Fully occupied the whole East Asia mainland including China & Korea after their succeed in Manchuria, while Western Allies do operation downfall in mainland Japan
Well they more likely stuck in northern tip of korea because japanese will put more resistance and unlikely without Nuke . Soviet will rushed their operation in August 1945 instead in November along with US according to agreement and USSR still exhausted from fighting in Europe
They could divide Korea, because the Japanese have already surrendered. Had the war continued, Americans would have to focus on Japan instead. When the Japanese gave up, Americans wanted to take everything they could.
@@dieletztekavallerie395 they already agreed to divide Korea. Mean US still get their share and if operation downfall happened Soviet will get share for northern of Japan. People not noticed actually reason Soviet could conquered who manchuria and northern Korea because Japanese surrender mid fight mean Japanese troop there demand to stop fighting and ket Soviet took their post.
If the US considered Japan-First instead of Germany-First in this war, the Operation Downfall would have been carried out. US WASTED half of their manpower in Europe and a lot in Africa. US should have stayed out from Europe and at least just supplied a lot of logistic oil and weaponary for Western Front without sending troops, while US overall manpower troops just need to focus on Pacific Front!! Oh, it would also be great if US disegregted their military rules in 1940s, US manpower would be way more effective, even thouh there will be racial tense issue like in Vietnam but soon as they get along, they've been effective together like how the Native American played their role as a fragger & codetalker in WW2 when they integrated with a White-majority in US military back then!!4
What’s makes you think they couldn’t just capture IJN ships in Korean ports and use them for troop transports? Also what about civilian craft? Dunkirk ring any bells? Plus in addition, the Soviet pacific fleet had two cruisers, ten destroyers (and their escorts, and several other smaller craft. Now given Soviet history at this time of using things like the backs of T34s for example for troop transports…….. crowding their destroyers with men doesn’t seem too crazy. It’s not like your asking them to invade Alaska from Vladivostok. It’s literally just them crossing the strait of Tsushima and that’s it. Tsushima could be used as a fueling and resupply station too
@@TheBuckeyeHistoryGuy1776 dunkirk was fine, they used civlian craft to *evacuate* troops. landing in a hostile beach is quite another level. also, the IJN will scuttle the ships if the soviets came even 100 kilometers from those troop transports. if they are even in korea. crusiers and destroyers, all six of them in total? no. even if they can operate with impunity (impossible with shore based batteries) they cant carry too many soliders, because they need to carry supplies and weapons, and they arent suitable to land any troops. they wouldnt be able to take even that piddly island, let alone anything else.
A number of things. To begin with, you have improved wildly in the four years since you last did this. The close ups give a better view, the timeline is more reasonable, and you are the first mapper I've seen to stick to the actual battle plan for Kyushu. Well done!
Also, I liked how the Allies didn't take what they didn't have to. Southeast Asia was largely ignored, the Shikoku campaign was basically abandoned, and the Soviets didn't bleed themselves to death taking mountaintops they didn't need.
Last and least, Jesus, the Japanese occupied Shanghai until 1947? Considering the Japanese Three Alls policy and how vindictive their soldiers must have been feeling by that point, that must have been Hell on Earth
This reminds me of an anime movie I watched, where a Soviet-controlled Hokkaido squaring off against a US-occupied Japan late into the Cold War provides the background for the plot.
What's it called?
@@SunnyBlam The Place Promised in Our Early Days - it's a very interesting and touching romance with sci-fi elements including the use of technology to enter dreams.
ngl hokkaido alone stands 0 chance
@@kaynight64 noosphere moment
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Nice work man, very high quality content you have made!
Every time you wait for soulchester to upload, it pays off
“I was 12 years old, and that day was clear... Suddenly I saw a bolt of lightning, or what looked like tens of thousands of lightning bolts flashing in one moment, then a huge explosion rang out, and suddenly the place was completely dark. When I woke up, I found my hair withered, and my clothes were torn. My skin is falling off my body, my flesh is exposed and my bones are exposed. Everyone was suffering from severe burns, and they were crying, screaming and walking on their faces like a line of ghosts. Our city has been covered in complete darkness, after it had only recently been teeming with life. The fields have been burned and there is no longer anything to remind us of life.”
hiroshima explosion survivor
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What about the August Revolution in Vietnam? Even with Operation Downfall, it might happen
Operation Downfall would not have been a guarantee even if the atomic bomb wasn't used. Japan knew they were defeated and wanted a way out.
Japan was offered unconditional surrender but did not accept
i prefer the old one, but you improved a lot, keep it up!
This is criminally underrated
This is very great, amazing quality, though i have some complaints, mainly that the boxes for the zoomed regions are too large, and i think the offensives would be a bit quicker. I don't see soviets not capturing the Kurils by 1946
wdym
I think that might have been like how we ignored certain islands in the Pacific an only took the ones we needed to advance. With much fiercer resistance on continental Asia and Hokkaido, a couple of islands probably fell further back on their priority list.
If I remember nankai trough had a huge earthquake in 1946, would of done some damage to the allied forces in this scenario
I liked the old version more never giving up seems more realistic
The old one was ridiculous. The Japanese would have no food, no ammo, even no water. They could resist until ‘47 or '48 at most, because -unlike Vietnam or Afghanistan-Americans would use total military power against them. There would be a genocide in the end.
I don't think USSR would involve, immidiately. They planned to occupied the whole East Asia mainland from Japan, specifically include China & Korea after their success in Manchuria. If USSR succeed on this one, I'm sure Korea won't be divided between North & South. Well, if USSR have quickly done their job in invading East Asia mainland before Western Allies fully done in Japan, USSR might join the invasion on Japan too, by attacking through the North side (Hokkaido), but as I say USSR need to pass through China & Korea first that was also heavily defended by a large amount remaining left of Japanese Army and let alone their Korean who became their puppet that been forced to, by IJA, in defending their territory in East Asia.
Are you working on a big video?
This is significantly better than the last one.
However, i think that the war doesn't exactly drag on as long as it should.
I still don't think the Soviets would have easily punched through Manchuria and Korea like that, especially considering the mountainous territory they would have been forced to trudged through, much unlike the plains of Ukraine, or for that matter, the plains of Northern Manchuria.
Shanghai being occupied by 1947 is...very questionable, i don't think by that point Japan would have been focusing on still fighting the KMT by that point.
Plus, what about the communist rebels in China?
Considering how complicated the rest of the map is, i don't really understand the excuse for it.
They did in real life though, look up the manchuria invasion in mid-late 1945, and the soviets were heavily equipped and experienced, while japan lacked armor and its land forces were quite lacking
@@obamagaming-zv4vy That's because the Emperor declared surrender by the 15th of August. As a result, the Japanese forces collapsed, since now, why would they keep fighting when their Emperor no longer wants to do so?
@@obamagaming-zv4vy And at Mutainchang, the Soviets still suffered around 21,000 casualties (the Japanese estimated the Soviet casualties at 10,000), whilst the Japanese suffered 25,000 casualties.
@@obamagaming-zv4vy Not only that, most of their advances occured in Northern Manchuria and its plains, until 6 days later on the 15th of August. The Japanese then surrendered en-masse, and the Soviets then sweeped into Southern Manchuria and Korea.
Why does it look like the Soviets gave land to the KMT?
Kuomintang and the CCP were shown in same color.
kmt and ccp = same color
@@dieletztekavallerie395But even if that were true, there wasn’t a border in Manchuria separating the KMT government from the CCP government.
Actually in OTL soviet only managed to conquered pacific part of manchuria due to Japanese refusal to fight after surrender
where is your ww2 eastern front animation??
In the playlists.
I don't think it's realistic that the Japanese would have surrendered in conventional warfare. They probably would have fought until every single last adult in the country was dead simply to delay the allies because that's what their culture demanded of them, especially at that point in the war.
0:10 The atomic bombs were not effective at all to make the Japanese surrender. When the Soviets rushed into Manchuria, the Japanese realised that they were done.
That’s soviet propaganda. The Americans dropped two bombs and threatened a third. That’s when the Japanese surrendered. The Americans were able of destroying their entire country, not the Soviets.
both caused the japanese to surrender
@@ConorBredin-ui3cd Nope, the bombs did nothing. The bombardment of Tokyo was far worse, but the Japanese were still resisting. In 9th August, Soviets rushed into Manchuria and the Japanese resisted against them until they gave up six days later.
Yes, a couple tanks rolling over the Amur were as influential as two cities ceasing to exist over a single week. Even if that were true, the absence of the nukes would probably mean the Japanese still wouldn't surrender. Even with the Soviets and nukes, in real life the Japanese high command had to be forced by Hirohito to surrender. Hell, an actual coup was attempted to prevent this surrender. Without nukes, the invasion would have occurred, and millions more would have died.
@@ianschmutzler8177 “A couple of tanks” (1.6M soldiers, 3.7K aircraft, 5.5K tanks) disconnected the Korean peninsula and the main manpower (armies in the Chinese soil) of the Japanese. The bombardment of Tokyo was worse, but the Japanese military had a hope based on Soviet neutrality and the security of Manchuria.
Didn't expect that
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worse ending for korea
At least, they won't be divided.
@@pko_2.0_pop7but they are poor now
@@nabakunlaismime5526yes and no, north Korean was only pushed this far due to the heavy cost of the Korean War.
@@yeetneet5334 the criminal genocidal dictator using all resources for mass military expansion also doesnt help
@@nabakunlaismime5526
They were poor regardless, South Korea sucked for 90% of its history
How do you do these sims?
I doubt that Soviets would take all of Korea as they had an agreement with the US to split Korea. The Soviets would stop once they reached the 38th parallel.
But in this alternate Timelime, Soviet would occupied it. Fully occupied the whole East Asia mainland including China & Korea after their succeed in Manchuria, while Western Allies do operation downfall in mainland Japan
Well they more likely stuck in northern tip of korea because japanese will put more resistance and unlikely without Nuke . Soviet will rushed their operation in August 1945 instead in November along with US according to agreement and USSR still exhausted from fighting in Europe
@@pko_2.0_pop7they already make agreement with US
What font is that?
Do decipher darkness? Map
An unified Vietnam post-occupation. A sweet dream not just for the Viet Minh, but for all Vietnameses at that time.
the vietnam flag in this situation is wrong because it’s the flag of the democratic republic of vietnam which was independent after japan surrendered
So basicaly what if nukes werent dropped + if japanese govcerment went insane
They already were insane due to being controlled by the military, the civ gov and the emperor had almost no power, less they wanted to get yoinked
Where views?
I understand that in August 1945 the Soviets agreed with the Americans to leave South Korea, according to me they would not have to take all of Korea.
They could divide Korea, because the Japanese have already surrendered. Had the war continued, Americans would have to focus on Japan instead. When the Japanese gave up, Americans wanted to take everything they could.
@@dieletztekavallerie395 they already agreed to divide Korea. Mean US still get their share and if operation downfall happened Soviet will get share for northern of Japan.
People not noticed actually reason Soviet could conquered who manchuria and northern Korea because Japanese surrender mid fight mean Japanese troop there demand to stop fighting and ket Soviet took their post.
That typewriting sound is getting annoying really fast
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If the US considered Japan-First instead of Germany-First in this war, the Operation Downfall would have been carried out. US WASTED half of their manpower in Europe and a lot in Africa. US should have stayed out from Europe and at least just supplied a lot of logistic oil and weaponary for Western Front without sending troops, while US overall manpower troops just need to focus on Pacific Front!! Oh, it would also be great if US disegregted their military rules in 1940s, US manpower would be way more effective, even thouh there will be racial tense issue like in Vietnam but soon as they get along, they've been effective together like how the Native American played their role as a fragger & codetalker in WW2 when they integrated with a White-majority in US military back then!!4
Because US didn't want for Soviet to take most Europe and US global priority is always for Europe
the soviets dont have enough landing ships to invade hokkaido. and the USA certaintly wont give them any. so, this video is factually wrong.
What’s makes you think they couldn’t just capture IJN ships in Korean ports and use them for troop transports? Also what about civilian craft? Dunkirk ring any bells? Plus in addition, the Soviet pacific fleet had two cruisers, ten destroyers (and their escorts, and several other smaller craft. Now given Soviet history at this time of using things like the backs of T34s for example for troop transports…….. crowding their destroyers with men doesn’t seem too crazy. It’s not like your asking them to invade Alaska from Vladivostok. It’s literally just them crossing the strait of Tsushima and that’s it. Tsushima could be used as a fueling and resupply station too
@@TheBuckeyeHistoryGuy1776 dunkirk was fine, they used civlian craft to *evacuate* troops. landing in a hostile beach is quite another level. also, the IJN will scuttle the ships if the soviets came even 100 kilometers from those troop transports. if they are even in korea.
crusiers and destroyers, all six of them in total? no. even if they can operate with impunity (impossible with shore based batteries) they cant carry too many soliders, because they need to carry supplies and weapons, and they arent suitable to land any troops.
they wouldnt be able to take even that piddly island, let alone anything else.
@@matthewbarabas3052 never say never
Still think it was the USSR entering the Pacific War and not the atomic bombs that actually made Japan finally realize this was all over.
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Why did he draw the Mongolia borders completely wrong? Is he stupid??
wdym
The borders were not wrong. The current borders were drawn in 1962.
@imperialzorn666 are you stupid the current border was in 1962 bro was born in 1962
Imagine didn't learn history