Hi everyone at fully charged , it would be great to put wh/km on the screen in some form, 3,5 miles/kwh means absolutely nothing to me in mainland Europe 😊 love you all
Same here, but I learnt how to do this b/c our EV shows it this way too... So, 3.5 miles/kwh x 1.609 = 5.6315 km/kWh. 1 / 5.6315 = 177.6 Wh/km. If you want kWh/100 km you have 100 / 5.6315 = 17.8 kWh / 100 km
@@TheophilusPWildbeest that was why I asked to flash it on screen, I get why m/kwh is used, it is just a number that has no meaning to me, and since it is an absurdly expensive car i don't really care enough to look it up, but it is still interesting. Don't know if that makes all the sense ;-)
104-106kWh (Audi media kit says 106kWh) with much better efficiency and faster charging makes this a long distance road trip beast. 30 minutes stoppage adds a realistic 200 miles of freeway range on top of the nearly 300 miles from 100% down to 10%.
thanks for a realistic and review of a facelift version. Better in important areas but still the etron that many new EV buyers love. I suspect that this car is far more popular because of its evolution of the Audi brand and the electrification of same, than some other EV's that are too "out there".
I wonder if real world testing will show the efficiency as Audi claim it to be will have to wait and find out from Bjorn, Kyle & Tom when they test the car in real-world.
The e-tron 50 was pretty accurate with its real-world range so I would expect this one to be similar. I think I read somewhere that Audi’s WLTP was one of the most accurate.
I always look out for your reviews. For some of us of similar heights but heavier build it’s often difficult to judge our relative body mass fit in a vehicle when other present review a vehicles.
I have a 2021 E-tron at the moment, I get around 220 miles of range out of a full charge. I don’t see how slightly better aero a slightly more efficient motor and a little larger battery can yield more than 50% extra range! If I ginger the car I can get 2.6 miles/Kw but typically around 2.4-2.5 on road-trips. How can this now get 3.6!?! Let’s see what the real world reviews show us.
They can`t That is just a marketing "trick" for people to spent 80k+ on RC Toy.. And if you put also proper cargo in it will be at best.. 400km range.. Tesla long range manage with 1 motor and 80kWh battery to make 600km with average 160Wh/km. I doubt that 20kWh and two motors and bigger mass will make the same range. From other hand, with over 100kWh battery Mercedes claimed 700km range..
The claimed massive jump is only for the new Q8 50, which has got the battery from the outgoing 55 model. Thus in practive a +33% larger battery. Then add that they allow +2% more of the battery to be used and 6-7% lowered consumption. The most fair comparison is looking at the new Q8 50 vs the outgoing 55 (although the latter has slightly more engine power). The Q8 55 will get a +20% larger battery plus the efficiency gains vs outgoing 55, so not as massive range increase there (in precent).
Most modern SUVs achieve around 3m/kWh on the motorway. The outgoing etron's motors and battery tech must have been what, 4+ years old? New motors, new battery improved aero now. If this thing achieves 3.5m/kWh on a summer's day (in the UK) with no wind then you're almost touching the claimed range. I suspect it'll be 3-3.3m/kWh year round = 300-340miles real world?
Great review, its worth noting that you mentioned at least twice that Audi isn't a brand that's known for making cheap cars, ICE or EVs, and I fully agree, there a luxury brand. There's way too many EV critics whining "where are the affordable EVs?" Not with Audi or Porsche, and that's fine with me because the quality seems to be there and its representative of the asking price. So far I think the German brands have their EV act together with the quality foremost, and their designs are attractive inside and out.
I'm a huge fan of Audi, and while yes they've made expensive cars these prices (75-85k starting) are in line with the gas car, so the premium for battery might be dropping.
All true except that given the competition the Germans are behind, polestar 3 Lotus Eletra, Tesla X even Nio EL7 Xpeng G9 all bespoke platforms very efficient, very competitive and all quicker to sixty than this ..
Everyone who buys an higher priced EV is helping to build the market and pay off the investments that will bring me my cheaper car - I'm very grateful!
I agree with Jack's point about these cars not really fulfilling the true ideals of EV evangelists, but, by compromising, they attract buyers who would otherwise not go EV. It's still a win. Same argument goes for the wheels - a slightly less efficient EV is still better than the alternative. So if that's what it takes to get people to buy them, so be it.
What makes the current e-tron enjoyable on long journeys (apart from the car itself which is such a wonderful, quiet and relaxed glider) is the charging curve, as you say. No matter at what SoC or temperature I plug mine in, it pulls around 150 kW all the way to 80% and never drops below 50 even at 99%. Also after three years and 100k km, the battery doesn't appear to have lost any (usable) capacity. With more initial range and improved charging power, it should crack 10 hours in Bjørn's 1k km challenge. So not quite as good as an EQS or e-tron GT but not far from it. I was eyeing an EQS for next year but now I'm not so sure any more. Mostly agree on the camera mirrors. You get used to them eventually - even appreciate them, especially at night - but I wouldn't order them again unless they're less than 10k NOK or so extra. Best and least talked-about feature on the e-tron is infrared night vision. Hope the new one gets it, too.
That's good to hear. I was dubious about this car having a full 10kwh of redundant battery (way more than usual) but seemingly this is why - it enables superior charge curves and batt longevity.
Hey, thanks for the first-hand experience! I wouldn't buy the cameras just for the pricing reason alone. But I hear that Audi owners who selected this option really love it. So, basically, if it was just say 1-2k you'd get it again?
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu If you're talking 1k in € or $ it would have to be less than that for me to pick the cameras again. Upsides and downsides are a wash, basically - at least for me. Still catch myself leaning forward or sideways to adjust my viewing angle when reversing or on an onramp until I remember that doesn't change anything - which is subconsciously frustrating. On the other hand the clarity at night where cars overtaking can be clearly seen rather than just being two glaring orbs in physical mirrors makes up for that. Plus IMO the car looks better without the voluminous mirrors. So yeah, worth some money for me but not a lot. YMMV
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu The cameras were standard on my '20 car (launch edition) and are standard on my (ordered but not yet received) q8 etron. i've done 53,000 miles and have no issues with them. but each to their own, they take a little getting used to but not much.
Just watched this video, and went home and noticed my Gen2 2006 Toyota Prius front wheels having the same front Under Arch Wheel Aero Flap to improve the car's Drag CO-Efficiency. Rightly so that Audi took inspiration from the Prii as they are to date, some of the most efficient ICE cars around.
The issue was not the name, but the range … people were heavily disappointed that a car , initially announced with a range of 600km finally ended as a car where you were happy to reach the 350km .. on a daily use the range was poor not okay. Definitively when you compare it to Tesla S/x ,which was the only point of reference at the time, the range was just simply poor.
No, a Opel Manta from the 1990 looks better than a Tesla...the Steering Wheel is an inherit of the Sidewinder Force Feedback Steering wheel for computer games from the 90th, too...the most awful old fashioned badly build ugly car ever...frome the front as if a snail has hard time to breath since anyone stands on his neck...and people spent a lot of there hard earned money for it...cannot believe it.
I have the outgoing etron 55 SUV. It is magnificent but ridiculously heavy and inefficient. This looks like a very good update, but the upcoming PPE EV platform based cars like the Q6 etron should be better still. The new Q8 etron 50 model has as much battery and more range than my 55. Perhaps that’s now the one to choose.
Porshe kept the lightbar trend going from the 90s until now, with the recent trend the Porsche Cayenne was the first (modern high end) lightbar along with Audi A8 and Lexus UX following
Bigger battery to get more miles - thats the same as a bigger fuel tank. A dumb way to get more range. Especially given electricity is so expensive presently. Smaller, lighter is the only long term answer.
My thoughs exactly. But Audi caters only to the wealthy, and they care more about looking wealthy than being efficient, so that's what they get. Same as Porsche, or any of the 'high end' brands
I had an e-tron 50 as a company car and it was the most beautiful thing - the interior was pretty much perfect. The only disappointment was the range (I was getting 150-175 miles out of it) and the efficiency. We currently have an A4 Avant while we wait for Audi to develop the EV version and it does 450 miles on a full tank of fuel (it’s a Quattro so runs on E95 - ouch!) so an etron with almost 400 miles of range is going to be a game-changer. One question on the interior - I presume it has the customisable lighting like the outgoing e-tron? Sitting in the car with the lights set to “calypso” was like being in a spa 🤣
Ive got the Etron 50 now (had it since July) and the range is a real big issue. AGree as soon as they get top 350 / 400 they are a no brainer.... But they are expensive!
The new 50 has more range than my current 55. Range is less of an issue than I thought when I switched to EV. It’s also about charging speed on a long run. The interior lighting was an option on mine as part of the comfort and sound pack. I’m hoping the new cars have a better level of standard equipment. My Technik 55 is pretty woeful for equipment.
It actually looks like they built the front power unit to deliberately extend it upward! There's daylight between the motor and bottom structure, the cv axles appear to line up with the very bottom of the motor, and the inverter is on stilts above.
Too big! These are rolling traffic jams. A friend sold a Q7 because they couldn't park it in their street, and in my town big SUVs regularly cause bottlenecks because oncoming vehicles can't get past.
I’m glad they’ve changed the name so we know where it fits in the E-Tron model line-up. Incidentally, the grey satin finish around the grille along with grille styling looks very reminiscent of my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 😅
My 2016 Kia Soul EV+ (not the most aerodynamic vehicle ever made) almost always gets 4.2 miles per kilowatt hour, dropping to around 3.8 on the highway (still good), so I'm pretty happy with that.
@@JackScarlett1 Best car I have ever owned, though I wish the latest version was available in the US (only Canada, Europe and South Korea) because of its MUCH greater range (200+ miles).
...and new motors. Agreed. There wasn't much wrong with the original etron in all other aspects (in my opinion). I'm sort of disappointed but also thinking well, yea makes sense.
According to Wikipedia, the Mercedes EQC's world premier was 13 days before the original Audi e-tron. So the e-tron wasn't the first for sure. I have no idea if there was another BEV before the EQC though.
I know, I know, Brexit and all, but could you please do the conversion from miles per kWh to kWh per km for us? It ruins the video when consumption isn't easily available for me. (Yes, I can convert it myself, but I'd rather have it on-screen). Thanks! (Great video, as always, BTW).
Another great review. The Sport model is a stunner, but I think too flash for me. As Jack said, glad they are moving the efficiency in the right direction.
Hopefully they actually bring out the car with finished software. My Q4 is 1 year old and still haven't gotten an upgrade to enable the basic standard functionality. So surprised that no review online talks about the BETA software that Audi delivers to sold cars. Audi should focus on delivering finished cars including proper software and decrease the number of models they bring out.
the first Q e-tron was the Q5 hybrid, and then the naming became a mess when they introduced the "e-tron" SUV model. the Q5 was then renamed to either 50TFSIe or 55TFSIe. I have the later and when you start it, and indeed the dials all say "Audi e-tron" on them.
Yesterday I parked up next to a E-Tron in a MG4, my first thoughts where that the Audi is a gift to the anti EV crowd, big, expensive, and I've heard argued more locally polluting than a small modern diesel. That last point is contentious, but difficult to argue against.
@@brunoheggli2888 You had better ask the anti's, from my observation of anti EV comments, "too expensive" refers to 2 things, firstly they are so much more expensive than ICE, second governments are legislating to 'save the planet' putting more resources into each car isn't helping.
@@fredbloggs72 Ecpensiv cars sre good for prestige and status and also mostly luxuryus and exclusiv!If you want to save the planet use the train bus bicycle ebike or scooter!
I ordered a Volvo C40 (which arrives in a couple weeks) but monthly cost doesn't vary that much for Q8 which is very interesting (for leasing at least). Might have to re-consider when I change car after this contract expires. I drive a VW Tiguan today and been dissatisfied with their build quality but Audi been better in the past so perhaps Q8 being in the upper tier is better in that area.
"Entry-level cars could set you back from around £65,000." (CarWow) "The E-tron's rear seatbacks split and fold down in a 40/20/40 arrangement". (WhatCar) "If you fold down the seats there's a total of 1,725 litres of room in the e-tron". (Buyacar)
I wait for the day when rural fuel stations have their own windmill to generate much cheaper electricity (with normal cabled grid electricity to supplement). Now THAT would warm the hearts of Earth Lovers.
Its a terrible location that is super hard to shoot in without manual exposure control. Seems like Audi are either trying to make the car look smaller or disguise a generally underwhelming design.
I suppose the situation right now for legacy manufacturers is a bit like it was for camera makers in the late 90s. Those who got onboard the digital train thrived, while others, well, didn't.
I’ve now watched several of your videos. Definitely the best reviews of EVs I’ve found on the internet. I’m currently in a 2019 Etron (premium plus) that I’m contemplating buying off of the lease. I got a great deal when I leased it new in 2020 and purchase would be $36k before I add an extended warranty. Any thoughts? All new EVs can’t match the luxury without being $80-$100k unless I get a Q4. I’m concreted about long term range and efficiency. Though this would likely be a 2 year stop gap purchase. Added incentive is the SUV tax break at purchase. This car is used for business. Again, any feedback would be appreciated.
@@favesongslist But is Tesla that good at that? I see a lot of complains about the Tesla assists. I've got an E-tron and it is almost perfect on the motorway.
@@ThomasT1976 Teslas' motorway autopilot is very good, it's their "Full Self Driving"(FSD) that is still in Beta testing, yet appears to be improving fairly rapidly.
That C pillar on the non-sports back (why would you get one of those?) looks rather Bentley-esk. The front badge if you had've described it about it being flat like it is eww, but seeing it, it makes so much sense and looks great. I did laugh during the under the skin bit, the mention of Hyundai, the wheels stopped turning, like the Audi model said yeah nah Mate, mention another marque we aren't going to do our thing, soon as Jack mentioned Audi, the wheels start moving again, like the model is saying yeah ok thats better talk about us! Cheers for the vid.
Why can't manufacturers make left- and right-sided wheel rims? On one side the rims 'point' forwards, and the other side they 'point' backwards. Once you see it it cannot be unseen, hahaha! It's a pet peeve of mine that even luxury car makers cannot get this right.
I saw the thumbnail at a glance, and I thought it was a sedan. I was disappointed to see it isn't LOL. It's better looking than it's German rivals, imo.
Audi did a great job with the battery and software to move to the next level. However, they did not refresh the interior. I wished they had combined the two screen into a large screen display. That is why I passed on the e-tron the first time. The platform will be shared with Porsche. I want to see their model before deciding. Good review of the Q8 e-tron. Thank you.
I love my e-Tron and the interior is gorgeous! I really dislike the trend towards the giant single screens in EVs and I hate the look of Teslas. The e-Tron has got a good mix of real buttons and the twin screens work really well for their intended functions. Very responsive too.
My 2019 A6 as the same dual screen setup. After over 3.5 years, it’s proven reliable and easy to use. Looking at a gigantic 21” screen is overwhelming. I’m waiting for the authorities to start regulating screens inside vehicles. If we can use smartphones while driving, why the hell are cars allowed to ship with cinematic monitors glaring drivers in the face constantly?
Jack is an exceptionally good presenter. I never liked the Top Gear trio much, too much narcissism. Jack has obvious charm but reigns it in and makes it all about the car.
We have a q7 and a q5 and want to buy an Audi electric. All have been disappointing to say the least. Range sucks and continues to suck it isn’t better or even competitive to a tesla, a ioniq 5 or a Lyriq. Your evaluation is way too forgiving.
I think Porsche were 'first' to have light bars, which everyone else then copied. A bit of a resurrected idea though, because some American cars in the late 80s and early 90s had front and rear light bars, including Mercury and Pontiac.
The car in the first 7 or so minutes of this vehicle looks identical to my car. I have the same 22" wheels, that's the "chronos grey" special paint - and the car has an identical sillouhette. I'm kind of surprised with this announcement if I'm honest, as this model gets so much hate. I expected they'd just scrap it in favour of the new "A6" concept they've been touting. The level of refinement in the original e-tron vs any Tesla model is off the charts and its performance is rarely matched. YES it doesn't have chart topping range, but while you won't arrive at your destination with much charge in the battery - you will arrive recharged.
My '20 55 sportback, on 21" rims, has done 53,000 miles and the range is better than when I bought it, due to software updates. It regularly shows 240 miles on 100% in a UK summer.
I have two major gripes about the presented technical specs of the car. First of all - we do not measure charging speed in kWh. And second - since the smallest moon of Jupiter weighs approximately 520 million metric tonnes - I seriously doubt that the car weighs more than four smallest moons of Jupiter combined. And with that - the efficiency isn't as impressive anymore.
Just keep making them bigger and fatter. To get more range from shoving an even more massive and expensive battery into it... When that battery could be split in 2 and put in 2 smaller more efficient cars.
How long before legacy car makers get it that big heavy batteries don’t make for an efficient car, Audi needs to go back 25 years and give us an electric A1 like the first one with a single front wiper and super lightweight construction then they will be breaking new ground. There are two of those old A1’s I see daily in my area - still not a hint of rust on them and both the tiny diesel engine version.
7:59 I don't understand what he is saying, it has the skateboard battery and a frunk, what more is to it? Double stack batteries under the rear bench to extend capacity like in the Taycan. Battery junction box in the middle for better servicability like in the Taycan. 🤷
Meh, we need more EV sedans and hatchbacks, especially in North America. And I'm not saying that because "waaaaa sedans are going away!!!1!", I legitimately fear for pedestrian safety, other road users' safety and the wear and tear on our roads as the standard vehicle grows larger and larger every year. I also truly hate the up-right tall driving position, I feel like I'm sitting on the car rather than in the car.
Where's the fake road wear concerns when cars weighed the same back in the 60s&70s? A 65 Lincoln topped 5k. 🤔 Back then the average car sold weighed over 4k. As of 2020? The much safer, more powerful, roomier more efficient average car weighed? Why that would be just over 4,000# 😀
@@4literv6 1960 - 60 million vehicles on the road in the US 2022 - 300 million vehicles on the road. Thats 5 times as many today than 1960. So even if the cars of the 60's were heavier, they contributed less to wear and tear of the road due to there being a lot less cars in general. Weight matters, it does contribute to more wear and tear - making cars unnecessarily heavier at the same time as increasing the number of cars on the road every year - is not the best of ideas.
@@blower1 less miles of road available back in 1960 though right? And a much smaller population likely driving more miles per day to. I agree weight sucks. But that's the price for crumple zones, airbags, abs systems, traction control, sound deadening, big stereos, safety glass erc. And of course power friggin everything. Fun fact the average new car now has 21 electric motors just to run everything. 🤔
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It's crazy how tall Jack actually is. They looks like sedans or compact crossovers 😅
I just don't understand the obsession with height. Tall or short.
@@JohnnyZenith OK shorty!
Doesn't bode well for the car or on our roads
He make that "big" suv look like a golf.
That is exactly what I was thinking, Q8 is supposed to be the biggest vehicle in their range but looked like a compact crossover next to him
Hi everyone at fully charged , it would be great to put wh/km on the screen in some form, 3,5 miles/kwh means absolutely nothing to me in mainland Europe 😊 love you all
Same here, but I learnt how to do this b/c our EV shows it this way too... So, 3.5 miles/kwh x 1.609 = 5.6315 km/kWh. 1 / 5.6315 = 177.6 Wh/km. If you want kWh/100 km you have 100 / 5.6315 = 17.8 kWh / 100 km
@@borislavbokov5746 thank you 😊 I could have figured it out, but I didn't care enough, that is a massively impressive number though
but wh/km means nothing to me. In Britain we have always used MPG, so MPKwh makes sense.
@@TheophilusPWildbeest that was why I asked to flash it on screen, I get why m/kwh is used, it is just a number that has no meaning to me, and since it is an absurdly expensive car i don't really care enough to look it up, but it is still interesting. Don't know if that makes all the sense ;-)
Can't wait to see Bjørn Nyland measure efficiency of the new *Fat E-tron*...
Plump Etron?
How many banana boxes will it do? 🤔
@@toyotaprius79 good question. Maybe a little bit more
104-106kWh (Audi media kit says 106kWh) with much better efficiency and faster charging makes this a long distance road trip beast. 30 minutes stoppage adds a realistic 200 miles of freeway range on top of the nearly 300 miles from 100% down to 10%.
Yup. Proper road tripper!
thanks for a realistic and review of a facelift version. Better in important areas but still the etron that many new EV buyers love. I suspect that this car is far more popular because of its evolution of the Audi brand and the electrification of same, than some other EV's that are too "out there".
I wonder if real world testing will show the efficiency as Audi claim it to be will have to wait and find out from Bjorn, Kyle & Tom when they test the car in real-world.
Yep can't wait for the Big 3 to get their hands on this!
Spoiler alert. No, it will be terrible as they all are
The e-tron 50 was pretty accurate with its real-world range so I would expect this one to be similar. I think I read somewhere that Audi’s WLTP was one of the most accurate.
Fat e-tron v2
@@Henrix1998 Fat e-tron v2 go home!
I always look out for your reviews. For some of us of similar heights but heavier build it’s often difficult to judge our relative body mass fit in a vehicle when other present review a vehicles.
Here for you my tall king
Totaly agree. Often they say it's romy in the back. Untill I will sit there with my 2 meter lenght.
At 6ft 5" 16.5stone and 57,it nice to see a flexible jack try out the cars 👍
I have a 2021 E-tron at the moment, I get around 220 miles of range out of a full charge. I don’t see how slightly better aero a slightly more efficient motor and a little larger battery can yield more than 50% extra range! If I ginger the car I can get 2.6 miles/Kw but typically around 2.4-2.5 on road-trips. How can this now get 3.6!?! Let’s see what the real world reviews show us.
They can`t That is just a marketing "trick" for people to spent 80k+ on RC Toy..
And if you put also proper cargo in it will be at best.. 400km range..
Tesla long range manage with 1 motor and 80kWh battery to make 600km with average 160Wh/km. I doubt that 20kWh and two motors and bigger mass will make the same range. From other hand, with over 100kWh battery Mercedes claimed 700km range..
I struggled to get more than 2 m/kWh in my 2020 e-tron 50 - I was probably enjoying driving it a little too much 🤣
The claimed massive jump is only for the new Q8 50, which has got the battery from the outgoing 55 model. Thus in practive a +33% larger battery. Then add that they allow +2% more of the battery to be used and 6-7% lowered consumption. The most fair comparison is looking at the new Q8 50 vs the outgoing 55 (although the latter has slightly more engine power). The Q8 55 will get a +20% larger battery plus the efficiency gains vs outgoing 55, so not as massive range increase there (in precent).
Most modern SUVs achieve around 3m/kWh on the motorway. The outgoing etron's motors and battery tech must have been what, 4+ years old? New motors, new battery improved aero now. If this thing achieves 3.5m/kWh on a summer's day (in the UK) with no wind then you're almost touching the claimed range. I suspect it'll be 3-3.3m/kWh year round = 300-340miles real world?
As smooth a presentation as ever Jack. Amusing and informative without being flippant.
Great review, its worth noting that you mentioned at least twice that Audi isn't a brand that's known for making cheap cars, ICE or EVs, and I fully agree, there a luxury brand. There's way too many EV critics whining "where are the affordable EVs?" Not with Audi or Porsche, and that's fine with me because the quality seems to be there and its representative of the asking price. So far I think the German brands have their EV act together with the quality foremost, and their designs are attractive inside and out.
I'm a huge fan of Audi, and while yes they've made expensive cars these prices (75-85k starting) are in line with the gas car, so the premium for battery might be dropping.
All true except that given the competition the Germans are behind, polestar 3 Lotus Eletra, Tesla X even Nio EL7 Xpeng G9 all bespoke platforms very efficient, very competitive and all quicker to sixty than this ..
Everyone who buys an higher priced EV is helping to build the market and pay off the investments that will bring me my cheaper car - I'm very grateful!
I agree with Jack's point about these cars not really fulfilling the true ideals of EV evangelists, but, by compromising, they attract buyers who would otherwise not go EV. It's still a win. Same argument goes for the wheels - a slightly less efficient EV is still better than the alternative. So if that's what it takes to get people to buy them, so be it.
Your right, this a far better offer than the BMW IX, we just want transport.
Absolutely. We must remember not everyone is sold on EVs yet, we need all sorts of electric cars to entice all sorts of people.
My Porsche has those little flappy bits in front of the front wheels. Now I know what they’re for.
Love your work 👍
Little flappy bits few
What makes the current e-tron enjoyable on long journeys (apart from the car itself which is such a wonderful, quiet and relaxed glider) is the charging curve, as you say. No matter at what SoC or temperature I plug mine in, it pulls around 150 kW all the way to 80% and never drops below 50 even at 99%. Also after three years and 100k km, the battery doesn't appear to have lost any (usable) capacity. With more initial range and improved charging power, it should crack 10 hours in Bjørn's 1k km challenge. So not quite as good as an EQS or e-tron GT but not far from it. I was eyeing an EQS for next year but now I'm not so sure any more. Mostly agree on the camera mirrors. You get used to them eventually - even appreciate them, especially at night - but I wouldn't order them again unless they're less than 10k NOK or so extra. Best and least talked-about feature on the e-tron is infrared night vision. Hope the new one gets it, too.
That's good to hear. I was dubious about this car having a full 10kwh of redundant battery (way more than usual) but seemingly this is why - it enables superior charge curves and batt longevity.
Hey, thanks for the first-hand experience! I wouldn't buy the cameras just for the pricing reason alone. But I hear that Audi owners who selected this option really love it. So, basically, if it was just say 1-2k you'd get it again?
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu If you're talking 1k in € or $ it would have to be less than that for me to pick the cameras again. Upsides and downsides are a wash, basically - at least for me. Still catch myself leaning forward or sideways to adjust my viewing angle when reversing or on an onramp until I remember that doesn't change anything - which is subconsciously frustrating. On the other hand the clarity at night where cars overtaking can be clearly seen rather than just being two glaring orbs in physical mirrors makes up for that. Plus IMO the car looks better without the voluminous mirrors. So yeah, worth some money for me but not a lot. YMMV
I was about to post the exact same thing. We love our 2019 e-Tron and the fast charging makes up for the short range it has.
@@drunkenwhiskeyeu The cameras were standard on my '20 car (launch edition) and are standard on my (ordered but not yet received) q8 etron. i've done 53,000 miles and have no issues with them. but each to their own, they take a little getting used to but not much.
Oh goody another amazing electric car I'll never be able to afford.
We really should be watching pre loved electric scooter reviews.
Just watched this video, and went home and noticed my Gen2 2006 Toyota Prius front wheels having the same front Under Arch Wheel Aero Flap to improve the car's Drag CO-Efficiency. Rightly so that Audi took inspiration from the Prii as they are to date, some of the most efficient ICE cars around.
The issue was not the name, but the range … people were heavily disappointed that a car , initially announced with a range of 600km finally ended as a car where you were happy to reach the 350km .. on a daily use the range was poor not okay. Definitively when you compare it to Tesla S/x ,which was the only point of reference at the time, the range was just simply poor.
They had those flaps on Mercedes c class I was driving almost 30yrs ago, there not new at all.
The display in Tesla and it’s experience, makes all the button gizmos look dinosaurian
No, a Opel Manta from the 1990 looks better than a Tesla...the Steering Wheel is an inherit of the Sidewinder Force Feedback Steering wheel for computer games from the 90th, too...the most awful old fashioned badly build ugly car ever...frome the front as if a snail has hard time to breath since anyone stands on his neck...and people spent a lot of there hard earned money for it...cannot believe it.
I have the outgoing etron 55 SUV. It is magnificent but ridiculously heavy and inefficient. This looks like a very good update, but the upcoming PPE EV platform based cars like the Q6 etron should be better still. The new Q8 etron 50 model has as much battery and more range than my 55. Perhaps that’s now the one to choose.
Porshe kept the lightbar trend going from the 90s until now, with the recent trend the Porsche Cayenne was the first (modern high end) lightbar along with Audi A8 and Lexus UX following
Bigger battery to get more miles - thats the same as a bigger fuel tank. A dumb way to get more range. Especially given electricity is so expensive presently. Smaller, lighter is the only long term answer.
My thoughs exactly. But Audi caters only to the wealthy, and they care more about looking wealthy than being efficient, so that's what they get. Same as Porsche, or any of the 'high end' brands
As a Audi owner really looking forward with this new EV from Audi 🔥🤩
As a Audi owner I'm not going to buy an Audi again.
@@bafattvahetere after 8 Audis, I'll by an Audi in preference over any of the competition
I had an e-tron 50 as a company car and it was the most beautiful thing - the interior was pretty much perfect. The only disappointment was the range (I was getting 150-175 miles out of it) and the efficiency.
We currently have an A4 Avant while we wait for Audi to develop the EV version and it does 450 miles on a full tank of fuel (it’s a Quattro so runs on E95 - ouch!) so an etron with almost 400 miles of range is going to be a game-changer.
One question on the interior - I presume it has the customisable lighting like the outgoing e-tron? Sitting in the car with the lights set to “calypso” was like being in a spa 🤣
Ive got the Etron 50 now (had it since July) and the range is a real big issue. AGree as soon as they get top 350 / 400 they are a no brainer.... But they are expensive!
The new 50 has more range than my current 55. Range is less of an issue than I thought when I switched to EV. It’s also about charging speed on a long run. The interior lighting was an option on mine as part of the comfort and sound pack. I’m hoping the new cars have a better level of standard equipment. My Technik 55 is pretty woeful for equipment.
Jack is such a good presenter
It actually looks like they built the front power unit to deliberately extend it upward! There's daylight between the motor and bottom structure, the cv axles appear to line up with the very bottom of the motor, and the inverter is on stilts above.
Too big! These are rolling traffic jams. A friend sold a Q7 because they couldn't park it in their street, and in my town big SUVs regularly cause bottlenecks because oncoming vehicles can't get past.
I’m glad they’ve changed the name so we know where it fits in the E-Tron model line-up.
Incidentally, the grey satin finish around the grille along with grille styling looks very reminiscent of my Hyundai Ioniq Electric 😅
I was thinking the same. That sportback is like a huge Ioniq!
First gen was given a Ur-name. Like the first Quattro were named Audi Quattro, the first electric was E-tron.
@@JohnAbrahamsen Good point 👍🏾
Love it. If I win the lottery, I'll buy two. Until then, I'll have to continue to enjoy your puns. Good work. Hello from Australia.
If I win the lottery, I leave and Europe and move to Australia 😂 and then I'll buy an audi e tron too!
My 2016 Kia Soul EV+ (not the most aerodynamic vehicle ever made) almost always gets 4.2 miles per kilowatt hour, dropping to around 3.8 on the highway (still good), so I'm pretty happy with that.
Such underrated cars those early Souls!
@@JackScarlett1 Best car I have ever owned, though I wish the latest version was available in the US (only Canada, Europe and South Korea) because of its MUCH greater range (200+ miles).
So we're talking about some cosmetic updates and a larger battery overall.
...and new motors. Agreed. There wasn't much wrong with the original etron in all other aspects (in my opinion). I'm sort of disappointed but also thinking well, yea makes sense.
Er, yes...that's what a model refresh IS!
..like, forever ....!!
According to Wikipedia, the Mercedes EQC's world premier was 13 days before the original Audi e-tron. So the e-tron wasn't the first for sure. I have no idea if there was another BEV before the EQC though.
So, nobody at Audi thought that naming an EV after an oil producing country (Kuwait) might be slightly off?
I know, I know, Brexit and all, but could you please do the conversion from miles per kWh to kWh per km for us? It ruins the video when consumption isn't easily available for me. (Yes, I can convert it myself, but I'd rather have it on-screen). Thanks! (Great video, as always, BTW).
The UK has always measured its roads in miles. I have the opposite problem:- The spec's are always in KW per 100KM 🤣
@@Chilternflyer Yeah, both would be great.
Why not just call it E8 rather than re-use Q8 ?
Another great review. The Sport model is a stunner, but I think too flash for me. As Jack said, glad they are moving the efficiency in the right direction.
Nice but if you put that battery in a van like a VW transporter and then I'm interested. 👍
Oh yes!
I have read that the ID Buzz will see a 111kwh batterie in a GTX Version...hopefully this comes true.
6-7% better efficiency; The mad thing is that same figure can be achieved simply by using smaller aero wheels.
Hopefully they actually bring out the car with finished software. My Q4 is 1 year old and still haven't gotten an upgrade to enable the basic standard functionality. So surprised that no review online talks about the BETA software that Audi delivers to sold cars. Audi should focus on delivering finished cars including proper software and decrease the number of models they bring out.
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It's also not my market segment, way too big, but they look absolutely fantastic. Inside and out. When you compare this to the iX, you worry for BMW.
the first Q e-tron was the Q5 hybrid, and then the naming became a mess when they introduced the "e-tron" SUV model. the Q5 was then renamed to either 50TFSIe or 55TFSIe. I have the later and when you start it, and indeed the dials all say "Audi e-tron" on them.
Good on Jack for sticking to his guns and continuing to express disappointment with certain aspects on this EV even at Audi's event.
Yesterday I parked up next to a E-Tron in a MG4, my first thoughts where that the Audi is a gift to the anti EV crowd, big, expensive, and I've heard argued more locally polluting than a small modern diesel. That last point is contentious, but difficult to argue against.
Why is expensiv a problem,the more expensiv the better!
@@brunoheggli2888 You had better ask the anti's, from my observation of anti EV comments, "too expensive" refers to 2 things, firstly they are so much more expensive than ICE, second governments are legislating to 'save the planet' putting more resources into each car isn't helping.
@@fredbloggs72 Ecpensiv cars sre good for prestige and status and also mostly luxuryus and exclusiv!If you want to save the planet use the train bus bicycle ebike or scooter!
@@brunoheggli2888 I can see you have completely missed the point I was making.
@@fredbloggs72 Yes i know big electric "Tanks" on wheels arent realy good for ur planet!
I ordered a Volvo C40 (which arrives in a couple weeks) but monthly cost doesn't vary that much for Q8 which is very interesting (for leasing at least). Might have to re-consider when I change car after this contract expires.
I drive a VW Tiguan today and been dissatisfied with their build quality but Audi been better in the past so perhaps Q8 being in the upper tier is better in that area.
Great Review!
However, the platform was never used for ICE engines. Just for EVs and Hydrogen Cars
If UK is one hour behind in time of the Netherlands, this is already old news for us 🤪
It's 1 hour behind in time and about 10 years behind in EV charging infrastructure.
For some reason they didn't call it the "fat" e-tron. Thanks for explaining the new naming scheme :)
I applaud your closing comments on efficiency, I imagine the engineering challenges would be fascinating.
Am I the only one who can't see a difference between the new and old logo? I'm going to have to see them both side by side.
Great review
It amazes me how you make SUVs look like wagons :D
370 miles on 104kWh... It's not half the efficiency of the Tesla model Y long range but it has to be close to that.
2 E-tron 2 electric. wow. that was my humor :D
I would have liked to see the drivers electronic controls shown in the interior segment.
Great presentation. Calm and collected :-)
Jack carefully avoids mentioning the estimated UK price. Do the back seats fold flat, and how much physical length does that give?
"Entry-level cars could set you back from around £65,000." (CarWow)
"The E-tron's rear seatbacks split and fold down in a 40/20/40 arrangement". (WhatCar)
"If you fold down the seats there's a total of 1,725 litres of room in the e-tron". (Buyacar)
Great review and video. Thanks
I wait for the day when rural fuel stations have their own windmill to generate much cheaper electricity (with normal cabled grid electricity to supplement).
Now THAT would warm the hearts of Earth Lovers.
My A3 e-tron's interior was far superior to my Polestar 2s, especially in the cupholder department as you know. 😉
Don't even get me started on the P2 cupholder
Is there something wrong with my eyes/phone or is the lighting in this video shockingly bad?
yeah, had same impression
Its a terrible location that is super hard to shoot in without manual exposure control. Seems like Audi are either trying to make the car look smaller or disguise a generally underwhelming design.
Seen 'wheel spoilers' in one form or another on a lot of cars for decades so not sure why they're championing it as something new!
It’d be nice if you guys included a photo/video snippet when referencing other models
Jack standing next to this car really doesn't sell his big it is, it looks like a Q3 next to him lol
I am looking forward for the new A6 etron and see how it will compare with this platform..
I suppose the situation right now for legacy manufacturers is a bit like it was for camera makers in the late 90s. Those who got onboard the digital train thrived, while others, well, didn't.
@Richard Nedbalek Kodak invented the digital camera, but sure.
I’ve now watched several of your videos. Definitely the best reviews of EVs I’ve found on the internet. I’m currently in a 2019 Etron (premium plus) that I’m contemplating buying off of the lease. I got a great deal when I leased it new in 2020 and purchase would be $36k before I add an extended warranty. Any thoughts? All new EVs can’t match the luxury without being $80-$100k unless I get a Q4. I’m concreted about long term range and efficiency. Though this would likely be a 2 year stop gap purchase. Added incentive is the SUV tax break at purchase. This car is used for business. Again, any feedback would be appreciated.
Are you mad ? The interior looks like one from a Datsun in the seventies ! Have you not seen the new Merc EQS/EQE suv's with the hyperscreen ?
114 kWh battery vs 100 kWh for a (less expensive) S and then even 10% range. The Germans still do not know to amke electric cars!
MS is not an SUV
It would have been good to know more about any software improvements including automatic driving on motorways etc.
Nothing has changed.
@@ThomasT1976 Sad to hear, they are never going to catch up with Tesla at this pace.
@@favesongslist But is Tesla that good at that? I see a lot of complains about the Tesla assists. I've got an E-tron and it is almost perfect on the motorway.
@@ThomasT1976 Teslas' motorway autopilot is very good, it's their "Full Self Driving"(FSD) that is still in Beta testing, yet appears to be improving fairly rapidly.
Great review, Jack. Much infotain.
That C pillar on the non-sports back (why would you get one of those?) looks rather Bentley-esk. The front badge if you had've described it about it being flat like it is eww, but seeing it, it makes so much sense and looks great. I did laugh during the under the skin bit, the mention of Hyundai, the wheels stopped turning, like the Audi model said yeah nah Mate, mention another marque we aren't going to do our thing, soon as Jack mentioned Audi, the wheels start moving again, like the model is saying yeah ok thats better talk about us! Cheers for the vid.
Jack’s “uff” is very similar to Robert’s “uff” (when discussing the Sportback) 😂
Jump to 7:50 if you want to skip the fawning bit and go straight to the reason why you clicked on the video.
Ready to buy the sport back version. I was all in for the EQE, but…
Wow. Imagine a car company that advances its technology beyond where it was previously. Audi is really on to something, that’s for sure.
Agreed, Audi interiors are absolutely superb. Jack, don't you find the Polestar cockpit, with its super-wide centre console, a bit cramped?
Huge?
Escalade- “Hold my beer.”
Why can't manufacturers make left- and right-sided wheel rims? On one side the rims 'point' forwards, and the other side they 'point' backwards. Once you see it it cannot be unseen, hahaha! It's a pet peeve of mine that even luxury car makers cannot get this right.
The one upside of an economic downturn is that demand for huge vehicles may start to decrease?
Show us the boot, please! 🙂
Maybe next time talk more about the new logo... That's the only interesting thing here.
Jack is so tall, his pants are not long enough to cover his ankles
please make video about mahindra xuv400 ev
Jack is the "Will Rogers of EV's". That is, "He never met an EV he didn't like".
I wonder is anyone under 70 will get the reference. 😅
Nice location but the whole video is underexposed caused by the windows behind so it's hard to see the car.
I think Audi wanted it to look smaller by putting it in a place with loads of light.
150,000 sales, over 4 years??
....those stats aren't going to save the world!
I saw the thumbnail at a glance, and I thought it was a sedan. I was disappointed to see it isn't LOL. It's better looking than it's German rivals, imo.
It's a shame that Audi learned nothing from Honda and Genesis regarding the camera mirrors and where the screens are located.
Audi did a great job with the battery and software to move to the next level. However, they did not refresh the interior. I wished they had combined the two screen into a large screen display. That is why I passed on the e-tron the first time. The platform will be shared with Porsche. I want to see their model before deciding. Good review of the Q8 e-tron. Thank you.
lol You decided to not buy an e-tron because it doesn't have a large screen???
I love my e-Tron and the interior is gorgeous! I really dislike the trend towards the giant single screens in EVs and I hate the look of Teslas. The e-Tron has got a good mix of real buttons and the twin screens work really well for their intended functions. Very responsive too.
Porsche are working on the Porsche Macan EV it will definitely be a bespoke platform for the prices they ask
I loved the e-tron display, the HUD had plenty of info and I liked having the centre console one separate. I find the single-displays too distracting.
My 2019 A6 as the same dual screen setup. After over 3.5 years, it’s proven reliable and easy to use. Looking at a gigantic 21” screen is overwhelming. I’m waiting for the authorities to start regulating screens inside vehicles. If we can use smartphones while driving, why the hell are cars allowed to ship with cinematic monitors glaring drivers in the face constantly?
Jack is an exceptionally good presenter.
I never liked the Top Gear trio much, too much narcissism.
Jack has obvious charm but reigns it in and makes it all about the car.
Mindblowing gamechanging!
The giant saying he doesn't understand why there are big cars lol
We have a q7 and a q5 and want to buy an Audi electric. All have been disappointing to say the least. Range sucks and continues to suck it isn’t better or even competitive to a tesla, a ioniq 5 or a Lyriq. Your evaluation is way too forgiving.
I think Porsche were 'first' to have light bars, which everyone else then copied.
A bit of a resurrected idea though, because some American cars in the late 80s and early 90s had front and rear light bars, including Mercury and Pontiac.
The car in the first 7 or so minutes of this vehicle looks identical to my car. I have the same 22" wheels, that's the "chronos grey" special paint - and the car has an identical sillouhette. I'm kind of surprised with this announcement if I'm honest, as this model gets so much hate. I expected they'd just scrap it in favour of the new "A6" concept they've been touting. The level of refinement in the original e-tron vs any Tesla model is off the charts and its performance is rarely matched. YES it doesn't have chart topping range, but while you won't arrive at your destination with much charge in the battery - you will arrive recharged.
Only 150,000 vehicles produced in 4 years? It's nothing to be proud of.
How good is the longer curve for the battery. What are the the effects in terms of battery longevity?
My '20 55 sportback, on 21" rims, has done 53,000 miles and the range is better than when I bought it, due to software updates. It regularly shows 240 miles on 100% in a UK summer.
yet another huge suv, yay, please can someone start making small EVs
It's not another. It's just a facelift.
Buy a Fiat 500e, VW eUP, Renault Zoe, Renault MeganE, Opel Corsa, Peugeot 208, MG4, ID3...
I have two major gripes about the presented technical specs of the car. First of all - we do not measure charging speed in kWh. And second - since the smallest moon of Jupiter weighs approximately 520 million metric tonnes - I seriously doubt that the car weighs more than four smallest moons of Jupiter combined. And with that - the efficiency isn't as impressive anymore.
Just keep making them bigger and fatter. To get more range from shoving an even more massive and expensive battery into it... When that battery could be split in 2 and put in 2 smaller more efficient cars.
...but, not made by Audi though!
Audi make this kind of car - so your argument is not a realistic one ...is it!!!
How long before legacy car makers get it that big heavy batteries don’t make for an efficient car, Audi needs to go back 25 years and give us an electric A1 like the first one with a single front wiper and super lightweight construction then they will be breaking new ground. There are two of those old A1’s I see daily in my area - still not a hint of rust on them and both the tiny diesel engine version.
I want something like an A5 Sportback e-tron with 500km+ range and design elements from the GT (which is by it-self kind of like an A7 e-tron).
Thanks, Nice quick overview
7:59 I don't understand what he is saying, it has the skateboard battery and a frunk, what more is to it? Double stack batteries under the rear bench to extend capacity like in the Taycan. Battery junction box in the middle for better servicability like in the Taycan. 🤷
Only 150.000? Audi sold 20.000 in one year in Norway (2020). The population in Norway is 5,5 million 😂
Meh, we need more EV sedans and hatchbacks, especially in North America. And I'm not saying that because "waaaaa sedans are going away!!!1!", I legitimately fear for pedestrian safety, other road users' safety and the wear and tear on our roads as the standard vehicle grows larger and larger every year.
I also truly hate the up-right tall driving position, I feel like I'm sitting on the car rather than in the car.
The main reason I love driving my MINI SE 🥰
Ah yes, the bus driver position....not for me neither.
Where's the fake road wear concerns when cars weighed the same back in the 60s&70s? A 65 Lincoln topped 5k. 🤔
Back then the average car sold weighed over 4k.
As of 2020? The much safer, more powerful, roomier more efficient average car weighed?
Why that would be just over 4,000# 😀
@@4literv6 1960 - 60 million vehicles on the road in the US
2022 - 300 million vehicles on the road.
Thats 5 times as many today than 1960. So even if the cars of the 60's were heavier, they contributed less to wear and tear of the road due to there being a lot less cars in general.
Weight matters, it does contribute to more wear and tear - making cars unnecessarily heavier at the same time as increasing the number of cars on the road every year - is not the best of ideas.
@@blower1 less miles of road available back in 1960 though right? And a much smaller population likely driving more miles per day to.
I agree weight sucks. But that's the price for crumple zones, airbags, abs systems, traction control, sound deadening, big stereos, safety glass erc. And of course power friggin everything. Fun fact the average new car now has 21 electric motors just to run everything. 🤔