Coney Reacts to "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate [Game Concepts]"
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Coney reacts to Mr. Sakurai's video on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and comments on Mr. Sakurai's decisions regarding the development cycle and inclusion of all the characters into the game.
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Sakurai said that he didn't bring back Adventure Mode from Melee because it was just basically matches one after another. But World of Light is basically just Spirit Board on steroids lol
At least there's a map and some cutscenes
Melee adventure mode has actual traversable levels tho
World of light is narrative event matches
@@PigsSSBM
Only half of it though, the rest is just versus matches and it's the exact same for every character, you'll get burned out really fast.
He acknowledged what you said in the video, it's not like he didn't knew. With the content Ultimate has, there wasn't any other possible option, but since Brawl took the platforming element of Melee's adventure mode and expanded on it, World of Light could do the same for the battles.
"I proposed 70-100 changes per character, and Donkey Kong got ZERO."
-Sakurai
No that was Villager. That guy is a Smash 4 character dropped into Ultimate
They did change the animation for his cargo throw
Isn't just moveset chances
@@rodrigoqueirozmontenegro3456 well every character from smash 64 to to 4 needs a moveset change
can't improve perfection
7:52 "So fix it!"
It was pretty hilarious to see Sakurai complain about the game's online issues for testing the game during covid times
Just fix it 4Head
If Sakurai had his way, Smash Bros Wii u and Ultimate wouldn't have online and would have remained a couch co-op single player game! Which realistically would have been perfectly fine.
To be fair, he probably was playing on a different server with in development characters so that people wouldn’t find out any secrets.
@@Magic_Ice
That might be true, how can you play online with a beta character and not expect a desync? Obviously it was a different version of the game and with better connection (thanks to the good connection in Japan and the fact that there was WAY less hosts).
As a game dev, I've been watching Sakurai's videos regularly
As an aspiring game dev, some of his vids are boring
@@maxwelldimensio Not everything's fun when you're making games
Ok
@@thenoseguyain’t that the fuggin’ TRUTH lmao
The Sora reveal never fails to make me laugh, because I literally did the exact same thing Coney did
I never quit watching his videos. I'm an aspiring game designer, and what he has to say is very enlightening.
I just find it funny that the community calls the fourth game "Smash 4" while Sakurai calls it "Smash for" (Wii U/3DS). Can't tell the difference just by listening.
Smash for what?!?!
"SO FIX IT!!"
This is why I'm subscribed. Coney spitting facts
It still baffles me that this community gets pissed about new characters. Fans will say “We celebrate all things gaming!” and then proceed to bitch about everyone that gets added to the game.
Yeah but some characters just aren't comparable. Corrin and Cloud Strife shouldn't be side by side when talking about the videogames that made history. I'm saying this as someone that likes fire emblem but doesn't care about FF besides a few spin-offs
Tbh the issue with certain characters falls into a few categories,
The first one has already been said by the above commenter is characters who exist almost purely for promotion which is why fire emblem is so heavy hated but this does apply to other franchises as well to a much lesser degree.
The second is clone characters that don't play significantly different from their base to form a unique playstyle that warrants them being a meaningful addition to the game, for example luigi, ganondorf, falco, roy and wolf are clone characters that most people would say are good additions due to them having unique playstyles while characters like dr mario, pichu, young/toon link, lucas, lucina, dark pit, daisy, dark samus, richter and chrom are clones that lack any notable difference in playstyle from their base to do anything aside appeal to the players of their base character.
The third is characters who have questionable moveset design that makes them feel particularly gimmicky or obnoxious, notable example would be ice climbers, olimar, lucario, sonic, pokémon trainer, little mac, duck hunt, villager, rosalina&luma, mega man, pacman, ryu, cloud in smash 4 specifically, bayonetta, k rool, joker, min min, banjo&kazooie(literally just wonder wing), pyra&mythra, hero, kazuya and steve. All those characters have certain traits about them that are just really questionable due to creating one dimensional gameplay or doing certain things that the other player cannot do anything about and just have to deal with.
"So fix it!" IM CRYING
6:19 “Maybe not the casual consumer” they’re literally the primary audience for the series…
Gosh, the competitive scene is somehow both the best and the worst thing about Super Smash Bros
They're the most dedicated to the game which is good for keeping a franchise relevant, but they also believe it's because of them the franchise is a success, when in reality, I bet less than a million of Ultimate sales comes from those wanting to play the game seriously
Nintendo wanting to shut down tournaments should say a lot really
@@lucaantinori4834 If we did the math and say there are 1 million players who play this game competitively, that's still barely 3% of overall sales that should say something about the player base vs. the devs and execs.
This video is a good reminder to myself that we are so spoiled to have Sakurai and these games… the lack of appreciation for his work from some people is staggering. :(
Shut up lol
Yeah definitely. People always find something to complain about and of course it’s true the game has some problems and issues but ofc it does. It can’t be 100% perfect but Sakurai still has done so much good for this game it’s incredible
@@garrettpullen9740 Every game will have at leats the tiniest details that could be nitpicked, but potential changes to the game are so categorical where anyone can just say one thing and another and another could be changed, and it could be true.
1:30 legitimately made me laugh out loud
Coney is here, finally
Coney has over 4,000 subs!??! Didn't realize he was THAT big on twitch
Yeah, he’s blown up! He averages 1K viewers these days on Twitch but if you now add RUclips viewers it’s around 1.5-2K! 🥲
Coney W. Very deserved imo, cringe confessional and react wars are so fun to watch
He recently did a subathon of sorts on twitch playing through every mario party minigame ever,, that boosted his subs a lot. l expect it to shrink down a bit in the following weeks
Name 70 changes that he gave to villager for ultimate
Im very most of the "changes" are purely visual or aesthetic, not actual gameplay alteration
@@The_Pikaboi which is why it's smash 4 with a speed up
5 years later and people still misinterpret "Everyone is Here"
My introduction to Coney was just looking at Sora reaction videos (im not even a KH fan) but without context I just thought Coney was hating so unbelievably hard and he pissed me off for like a month. Then I watched his shit and I was like oh nvm this guy is cool LOL
If I was Nintendo, there’s no fucking way I would pay anyone to use their characters. They should be paying me, being in smash is probably top 5 best advertisements for a video game
everyone is here meant all the past members you arent getting your irrelevant platformer smorgi borgi from the gamesphere in 1990
Dude, relax, he's already dead
anime pfp still making scrimblo bimblo jokes
I have no clue what the hell I just read
Bro got a seizure
I think an ultimate port could only work by 2 ways. 1 being that it was negotiated that they future proof their licenses for future releases or 2 they go back to renegotiate with every single 3rd party company to reuse them. I heard Cloud almost didn't make it into ultimate during development. I personally prefer a port myself but that's mainly because I like series that have tried and true formulas with add-ons over complete overhauls, plus I like the novelty of a huge roster.
9:23 If Nintendo continues on their current streak of remastering old, widely beloved games, then I could definitely see them going with the Melee HD route. Nintendo isn't stupid, they understand that Melee continues to have a sizeable fanbase around it despite the game never being re-released and there being new entrees in the franchise for it to compete with. Plus a simple remaster of a pre-existing Smash game doesn't require the knowledge and insight of a good lead developer like a new Smash game would.
Though let's be real, Melee players aren't going to switch to Melee HD. There's just no way they could make the latency feel similar to how Melee is on a CRT, which will be a major turn off for Melee players.
Not to mention we wouldn’t have access to mods like UCF and frozen stadium, and slippi would probably still be better netcode wise. And there’s a very good chance they either fix a lot of the bugs or make more of them and that would completely fuck up a lot of the interactions of the game
And that's why Melee HD won't ever happen. Let's be real for a moment, Melee, while still a classic, it gets most of it's spotlight from tourneys.
If competitors won't switch to an HD version then why should Nintendo bother? The reason there's only one Smash or Mario Kart per console is because having 2 would be a competition for sales between two entries of the same franchise (no MK9 because it would kill MK8DX).
They would 100% use PAL Melee for a Melee HD, which pro players would NEVER switch to. The second you touch Fox, you lose like half of Melee's playerbase. Also Melee HD would never sell when it's on the same console as a more robust Smash Bros. Melee doesn't have Mega Man or Sonic or Simon Belmont or Ridley or Wario or Diddy Kong or K. Rool or Dedede or Meta Knight or etc.
@@lucaantinori4834 First of all, when did I ever say that Melee HD would be on the same console as Ultimate? I honestly feel insulted that you think I'm so stupid that I think that Nintendo would release another Smash game on the same console as Ultimate, this late into said console's lifespan.
Second of all, one year ago people would've said that a Super Mario RPG remake and a Paper Mario TTYD remake were never going to happen yet here we are. My point isn't that Melee HD will definitely happen, but if Nintendo continues on their streak of remaking old games with a cult following, then they'd be stupid not to revisit Melee, since it is THE old Nintendo game that has still has a huge following.
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569
I know you didn't specify Melee HD on Switch, but regardless of which console Melee HD ends up being released it will be swallowed as soon as a new Smash games gets released (and it will, I highly doubt Melee HD, by itself, can carry on during a whole console's lifecycle, since Smash is a console seller but Melee is a Gamecube title, it can sell but not a lot).
Lastly, Melee has a following, but it's mostly composed out of competitive players which statitiscally don't matter at a large scale (it's like 1 million competitors vs 30 million casuals), so if the competitive scene is not that big and even then you can't assure they will switch over to the new OFFICIAL version then why bother? I don't think they will port something that might barely sell.
I think a Smash reboot with a Brawl sized roster, where all the 64/Melee cast are redesigned with the same mindset as Smash 4/Ultimate characters could be fun idea. Give everyone some weird gimmick to make them feel more unique and true to their source material.
Everyone is CONEY!
I haven't watch all of his videos. ND that's fine because his target audience is indie game devs or starting game devs.
But god damn they're good. Compared to his target audience the amount of view is pretty nice. And that's the type of content that will always grow at a constant pace.
sakurai didnt fall off WE fell off
No he did
Overworked I'd take the original concept being 100 fighters over 100 stages speed of smash 4 subspace with spirts and custom moves no visual changes either
“Nobody would be satisfied with Adventur-“ YESSSSSS WE WOULD????
Sakurai never brought up Tripping in Brawl and why he chose to include it, it shall forever remain a myste-WHOOPS! I tripped…
Me who hasn't missed a single Sakurai video since he started: 🧍♂️
Coney pointing "these four alone made people stop playing"
Forgetting about villager memes, packman being iconic, duck hunk well OK.
But mainly "MEGA MAAAAAAAN BLACK HOLLEE." that's not it exactly. But you get the réf. And Also the amount of people that fucking love mega man. But agreed. Kind the Quatro of smash 4 loser zoner.
8:46 because like Kirby, ness, etc. they have only a surface level appreciation for the character and assume the mantle of protagonist simply for being prepubescent
Not to diminish how hard and much sakurai worked but my biggest complaint about ultimate (besides no subspace) is the lack of representation in a lot of the characters movesets
I think that fits with sonic and Ganondorf
Sure it makes sense for Ganondorf to be a clone in melee, but in later games couldn’t they just make an entirely new moveset for him?
As for sonic I heard he was a late edition to SSBB which makes a little sense as to why his moveset isn’t that good but why didn’t he get reworked into something actually unique?
Coney would be the first to piss and moan about everything he says isn't a big deal.
I don't think the next Smash needs to be bigger than Ultimate. If they gave us a smaller roster but reinvented how several of the mainstays played, I think people would be happy with that.
I think they should just bite the bullet with the next smash game, downsize the roster hella, but overhaul the mechanics and individual character design. Just bring the original 12 back, but playing like DLC characters, and see what else you can get away with from there
Sakurai makes me feel old by saying he finished development of the final DLC at the end of 2021.... its 2023....
Whatever the next Smash game looks like, it still won't have Waluigi as a playable character.
So we didn't get a subspace emissary srquel because the Switch insists on using cartridges?
Seeing the timebar in Coney's video constantly is triggering me. I keep thinking it's my dumbass.
I was really hoping the final character was going to be Sora. Just more preferably KH2 or KH3 Sora. The one who can slice through 10 office buildings in a fraction of a second and deflect 100 machine guns blasting lasers at him like some cracked jedi.
Ain’t no way you called pac man and megaman lame
And he’s spittin FACTS🔥
he's right
Coney. We get it. You suck at Smash when Pac-Man throws the apple at you. You can calm down.
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3:12 HOW DARE YOU INSULT MEGAMAN AND PAC MAN
FF7's Cloud and Sephiroth made it into the game after Square abandoned Nintendo. DLC sales over everything I suppose. 😂
the fact that the switch being such a shit console made ultimate less than what it could of been
Honestly I think that whether you like or even care about Sora, let alone care about Sora in Smash Bros. specifically, I think the Sora was the most perfect character to cap off Smash Ultimate without even the "true winner of the Smash Ballot" thing to carry him. Sora was literally created as a crossover character to stand in as the perfect in-between of Square Enix & Disney, plus it also means that Disney has some form of representation in Smash which is perfect for them being one of the biggest franchises on the planet, plus Disney's crossover with Nintendo is what initially really started to give Nintendo any form of traction (Nintendo got permission to have Disney Characters on Hanafuda Cards, this Disney helped get Nintendo to where they are today).
Coney, even if you don't like Sora, there really couldn't have been a more perfect way to cap it off. Anything you can think of would really only hit hard for Western audiences, leaving their Eastern audience dis-included (games like Halo & Crash Bandicoot aren't near as big there as they are here).
Hmmm
I hope Coney doesn’t shit himself in this video that would suck
The fact that you said villager in the new fighters section triggers me so much.
The online being shit is 100% a time crunch thing. Most problems in game development are primarily the responsibility of bad management and planning where nothing gets done until the last 6 months where people work 14 hour shifts.
It's 100% a Nintendo Online thing. Name me one good Switch game that uses Nintendo's own servers that has good online. Splatoon doesn't. Mario Kart doesn't. Mario Maker doesn't. The online for retro titles sure as hell doesn't! The only game with good online is Pokemon Unite because that shit uses 3rd party servers.
@@marshtomp8I sorta hope COVID-19 gave them enough of a shock that they're "wow, guess this online is kinda bad", and hopefully the next console makes some sort of advancement
Coney really took an L with most of his opinions on this one
Doom Guy would be a better Smash character than Master Chief
my dad would be a better smash character than your dad
How about neither?
I wish Sakurai went into a bit more depth, but oh well. I will say tho, I hate Sora so much. He was already my #1 least wanted character and then he ended up being boring to fight as and against. I sleep
Luckily he ended up being super floaty and not very reliable to the point that it became a meme when he was even picked or played in tournament. Must suck for those Sora players who really wanted him because they got what they wanted but he wasn't that good
People still crying omg… Move on 🤣🤣
@@aquilleswinkler5051nah I'm happy with him. He's fun to play and he's in the game. That's all I wanted
@@aquilleswinkler5051 Sora is a good character tho? Kameme is very consistent and some random Sora just 6-0'd Gluto like 2 weeks ago.
Holy rent free
The only reason I feel like we kind of lost with Sora was just how obviously basic and scrabbed together he was. Despite the obvious fact that you want to end on a big note with the final character from what I understand the dev team shrank with each DLC release and it really shows with Sora.
Sora is in Smash and barely anybody cares or plays him anymore. His Down-Special (B) should be like a Kingdom Hearts monada arts thing with like power ups from the game but it's just a counter... His throws as so uninspired too and his Dash Attack not being the keyblade plunge forward thing he does is also a miss. He needs to do his keyblade throw too... Maybe his jab?
In terms of trailers, I think Sora was the most grandiose out of the pack next to Sephiroth especially if you know about the history that KH was made from the inspiration and success of Mario 64. I don't know about power ups but if you're referring to forms, then I think it makes more sense to make a meter to change forms but then people complain that it's all pay to win still. Idk how throws are supposed to be inspired the only iconic ones I can think off the top of my head are the "so long gay bowser," cargo throw, and tetsuzanko. At least his back throw is based on a qte of an infamous boss battle. Dash attack is sliding dash, a move most people would recognize because everyone picks sword-build sora and that's the first ability he learns. Keyblade throw? I think you're talking about Strike Raid which no thank you, it's just Pyra side B but you can spam more than one I much rather they replace Sonic Blade with Ars Arcanum.
At the very least he came with his original music, a really broken spirit, and a legal stage that's aesthetically pleasing to viewers.
I think keeping him basic was a way to get the skill floor low enough to let casuals play him while allowing idj cancels to happen for more serious players to experiment without going overboard like 2 certain characters did. I think they wanted to combine the brawler, swordfighter, gunner archetype into one while still being simple, there's a reason why Mario and Kirby are made the way they are.
@@darc5925 I think having Strike Raid for a "projectile" multihit jab that doesn't go as far, or do as much knockback or damage as Pryas would have been a fun jab. I massively disagree about this because his jab is literally just forward title expect it it's worse and reuses his Forward-Smash animation for the final strike. It doesn't even feel like a unique move at all. His Down-Special should have been some sort of monada arts power up system because this would have given him some flair. He should have been given a float... He literally floats in the trailer. And yeah repurpose Corrin's Dash attack for his Dash attack and make it a multihit as well.
Official Sora is waaaaaay too basic and boring to be worthy of the character.
@@greendayblinkfan182 i don't think you understand what a jab is. By definition it's a "short blow" which extends to basically every character. It's a basic attack that the casual audience will understand how the game works. The only exception to this is megaman but that's because in his games that is his basic attack. Everyone's Jab is either an original basic hit or a basic attack rip directly from their game like Bayonetta designed to help you understand what this character does. Giving him an elaborate jab not only goes against his design but also confuses players especially new casual ones. Jab is by no means worse than ftilt if anything it's the other way around. F tilt is a worse jab cuz it loses its anti air use, has much slower start up, and you can't combo into it reliably unlike jab. You shouldn't realistically use all 3 hits of f tilt but only use the 1st hit since it's a kill move.
Idk what kinda monada arts thing you're talking about but as far as I have seen in the series, no such thing exists as forms function as a meter something Joker, Sephiroth, and Terry already do.
Yeah the floaty thing. Sora doesn't fly or he does but in only one world where he has unlimited access to pixie dust. Every where else he's falling with style hence the floaty jumps. Peach floats but in case you didn't know Peach is among one of the best characters in the game specifically because of float. The only thing keeping her from number 1 or even top 5 is her lack of range and her moves on its own are actually pretty bad so Sora will have to be revamped to have god awful moves just to balance float. You can already do float combos with him using IDJ.
Ok dash attack you are just making stuff up at this point. Im pretty sure that move doesn't exist for him so they used the move Sliding Dash as his dash attack a move most fans are familiar with and has the word dash in it. Besides multi hits are unfortunately not good in this game many times people fall out of it.
At this point it sounds like you're trying to make a completely different character almost comes off as a donut steel design.
I want the next smash to be completely dogshit but have literally every video game character
Is smash bros, not everyone is here
Not sure I like this dude.
Omg I’m first coney!!!!!!! I fucking love amoung us!!
Shut up
What the hell is this comment
Coney will you make an onlyfans?
Imagine seeing the incredible amount of effort that goes into this game, and all you can do is shit talk Sakurai. Lame.
What?
Deserved.
And you know what? It's about time someone called him out on the bullshit. Like why did Steve happen?
@@grunkleg.3110 Because the pandemic made playtesting difficult, and players didn’t realise that he was broken until updates stopped.
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The day Sora was announced was the day I deleted Smash off my Switch. People crying tears of joy for a floaty sword fighter with no remixed songs or references to any of the things that makes him even remotely interesting. Literal corporate slop.
Aww crying a river of tears over a kids game might as well bring out the cheese for that whine and sail that salty seine and how dare the japanese only think about their japanese audience almost like smash is a japanese game made by a japanese company
@@namenlose5816 Don't hurt yourself dickriding the faceless corporation, my dude.
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NVM SECOND
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