Melee lost its charm.
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2023
- Coney reacts to Akshon Esports video, "Why are 80% of Melee Stages Banned?", and gives his insight as a longstanding member in the Smash Bros. community on Melee's decision making and backroom talks, as well as how it compares to the other Smash titles.
Check out the original video here! • Why Are 80% Of Melee S...
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Legalize Pokefloats
TRUE
I miss this nonsense of a map
100%
Legalize nuclear bombs
legalize nuclear bombs
I wanna watch a Smash tourney where hundreds of dollars are on the line and the guy who came second got hit by a stage hazard because he was too distracted trying to pick up a Master Ball.
There was one for brawl ran by Nintendo. A 12 year old who never competed before won cause he got busted pokeballs and assist trophies every time. The tournament was considered a sham.
It was a sham because they couldn't couldn't control the outcome as effectively as a no items 1 v 1 lol the smash community on the competitive side are generally full of scrubs even at the highest level!
@@DANCERcow why even compete then. It’s not a competition at that point it’s gambling.
@@DANCERcow As a competitive melee player, I think a items and stage hazards ruleset could be really fun!
There would just have to be a limited ruleset, things with reasonable power fairness counterplay etc. being considered.
Ironically banning items only simplified the game.
Made it have less replay value. Less fun, and solidified tiers (awful)
There's a not insignificant amount of "clips of Mew2King getting bodied" to "stage is now banned per backrooms" on this list, I'm just saying
Gah damn Coney hitting us with the deep human psychology lesson when he was talking about the backroom thing lol
While I mostly get the reasons stages are the way they are in melee, ultimate's legal stage list kills me. The game has like 50+ stages and not even 10 of them are legal. They could just allow the battlefield and fd variations for the sake of different backgrounds, but some idiot will complain because you can wall-jump off the bottom end of certain ones, or the blastzones don't line up perfectly on each version.
Agreed. I cant stand it, sweaty ass players
Fun fact: the “banzai bill” from the Mario movie was actually called a “boomer bill”
Some people seem to think Boomer bill is a replacement for the Banzai bill and it’s actually the same enemy,… but it’s not. It’s a unique type of bill and the Banzai still exists. How do I know this? Because the Boomer bill is a reference to the Lego Mario sets. Lego Mario invented a new type of bill because Bullet bills were too small and Banzai bills were too big for the Lego set. So they made a middle ground enemy. And they put that in the movie for some reason
The boomer bill had the power of a literal nuclear bomb, what kind of ungodly destruction would a banzai bill do?
The greatest sage of our time
I thought he called it a Bomber Bill but you sound very smart so I'll believe you.
Only on this matter though.
okay boomer bill
@@moldomre4838 hahaha that's hilarious
toph used to counterpick to pokefloats and infinite people LMAO
Rishis Jungle Jam should be a more popular side-bracket. Such a fun format
Lowkey it's a very fun format
The smash cut-ins were AWESOME. One of my favorite edits from a CONEY vid!
Hard agree
You know what we should do to make melee have it's charm again? Add a new gamemode. A tailered one like Rishi's Jungle Jam.
My friends will still gentlemen to the "tiny FD" at bottom of Hyrule Temple
The contempt and venom towards Tingle was way too real.
We need seasonal stage rotations and TO shouldn’t be afraid to make their tournament unique.
i will play melee until the day i die it is an infinitely charming and interesting game from a competitive standpoint
Lol
Most quit in their mid to late twenties because Melee takes too much upkeep to stay decent, and life generally starts to get complicated at that age.
@@beepist5000That and my hands didn’t rly do well with it.
I love it when coney ditches his morals and smashposts for CONTENT
THE CONTENT GRIND STOPS FOR NOONE
GOATed editing as usual. Keep killing it
Got into watching competitive Melee back in 2013 kinda because PS2 was legal. It made me think "oh cool these competitive players still respect the fact that Smash has funny stages, as long as it’s not too janky", it bridged my Smash experience until then and the competitive scene and hooked me
I miss Frigate Orpheon from Brawl :(
We used to have hype sets on Pokefloats and killed the Ice Climbers with that stage. Never forget what they took from us.
I remember seeing a tournament once where the rules were reverse legal stages in Melee
That was a fun spectate
Melee should just fully say fuck nintendo and use those custom 20xx stages
the capcom jojo fighting game has different stages and which one you get is randomly picked depending on the characters, but the thing is differnet stages actually have different lengths corner to corner, so you’ll randomly have a stage that’s either two screens wide or eight. also one stage has a weird piece of decoration that’s in the foreground so you can hide behind it and it’s very funny
And that stage is softbanned
Yeah, Heritage for the Future rocks!!
I still do not undertsand why we haven't gotten a Heritage for the Future 2 or something. All Star battle isn't gonna cut it
Idk what this video is about but even though I've never played it and won't for a while, melee will never loose its charm to me because its community never looses its charm, i could hear meleehead stories for hours on end and not get bored, that's like 40% of why I LOVE the yard!
2050 Coney: It was in 2023 that I learned claptrap, a red one, appeared on
as much as i hate fox pickers, i feel like a lot of people in chat missed the point in thinking these bans were due to fox players whining, probably because the original video's framing is a little weird in some spots. the reality is that it was the opposite; everyone else complaining about foxes abusing 90% of the banned stages to make the game not fun to play. pretty win/win where we ended up but we should still bring rainbow cruise back
13:05 that does look rlly fun.... for the peach
I like the Cut ins with game footage, good editing 👍
Coney saying his playstyle is now a raging bull, *smashing his head into his opponent* Honda clip checks out
Yoshi's Island 64 could have been legal if the cloud platforms weren't there
I think it is legal
It's a shame both players have to deal with the same hazards.
The thumbnail is the face your dad uses in-between saying "I'm not mad" and "I'm just disappointed"
THE BACKROOMS 😱 1:35
Love the editing at 3:20, lmfao.
4:18 is my favorite part, though.
To the editor i like the little flares you did like puff jumoing up
I’m glad this video is here. I feel like we could expand ultimates stage list and we could be more open minded about stages there. But the wrong guy will win once and the end.
@@name8329 I know right. What happened to no John’s?
I wish more people like alpharad would make casual tournaments. Those are just so fucking fun.
Mind you if you wanted the billionaire to make the worst rules possible, make them do coin battles :P
Noooooooo, not the coin battles!
Yes, yes the coin battles lol 😈😈
Backrooms were so cool growing up. It was always a dream to become a good enough player to get an invite, kinda like what you said lol.
I became disillusioned with them around 2012 because I just wanted MK and Icies brought under control and realized it would never happen
17:48 This aged incredibly after recent events
4:57 Was not expecting that random Gura "A"... XD
Gardevoir model is in 3DS pokedex. High Polygon count
That backroom stuff seems like just a smash bros thing. I play Fighterz, Street Fighter, and Guilty gear and none of those communities have anything like that that I have seen.
14:50 what’s the song? Isn’t it from mario sunshine?
The last part of this - big tournament, huge cash prizes all the way down, a ruleset no competitive player would willingly touch if not for the money? That's what I always hoped Nintendo would do. So you'd have the grassroots scene running its own thing for "competitive integrity", but then you have a Nintendo-run tournament series where people go to make money. And people would train for both. "Labbing items" would be a legitimate thing. Ideally the skill gap between a player that's been playing for 1-2 years and a player that's been playing for 5-10 would only be 60-40 in the veteran player's favor in the tournament with the RNG/hazards on - pros would win more often, but you'd never have a scenario where someone has 2+ years of experience, shows up to a tournament, and there's still no point in them plugging in the controller because one of the top 10 players of the game is just going to wipe them off the face of the earth and there's no chance for anything other than that to happen.
Man.. after branching out into other fighting games from smash, wouldnt go back UNLESS im playing all items on with friends tbh
Hey does anyone know where the stage tier list is?
Loved the Pokemon Colosseum music during the Pokemon Stadium discussion!! LMAO.
🤓technically ganon does have two spikes but neither are stomp because thats a meteor but the last hit of his up air and his arial down b spike
#Unbanpokefloats
A billionaire that comes into the melee scene, but their ruleset is legal Giga Bowser
Oh boy, is time for some dittos!
I'll need to remember "Like a raging bull" since that's how I also play these days. Though in Ultimate I also main Bowser so yeah he's combo food at first, but every single stock you WILL be fighting a Bowser with rage and one that fights like a man with nothing to lose.
I feel like stadium is more intrusive than other stages.... So unban the other stages :)
I love how much of Melee and Brawl's history and bans is just M2K, Mango, and other top players not wanting things or getting beat
I still play Temple with my other competitive friends, we only play in the middle and bottom area
13:35 coney.... gardevoir is in this game my guy!
See, 80% of the stages are banned because 80% of the stages are fun to play on
I know about backrooms, I didn't know they didn't exist anymore!
Wait why was Brinstar banned? Outside of the lava that stage is fun af
3:36 really said “venom” in _that_ voice
17:48 Literally how I play most of the time in ANY competitive game. Bull Fight approach.
Kongo Jungle would be dope if you kept the barrel, remove the water and change the bottom platform.
2:08 my boi repping Abe's Odyssey?
Based.
10:10 I thought he was a dragonfly!
Either these reasons are not the only reasons these stages are banned, OR we currently have no reason to have any banned stages in ultimate, bc almost every reason given does not apply to ultimate.
Are walk offs really ONLY banned bc fox can wave shine? Well he can’t in ultimate.
Are walls really ONLY banned bc shine infinites?? Again not in ultimate.
So either there’s other reasons the guy didn’t say, or ultimate stages are banned for tradition.
I'm in the Yugioh community so talking about a game without financial compensation moving towards clout-chasing kinda hits home.
17:00 As a melee head I say that getting into brawl scene was most definitely the correct choice in this scenario
I was hoping this was about Tony's quest to become the next big donkey Kong in melee
Why is around 9.65% of Ultimate stages legal 🤔
Melee at least has some semblance of a reason to have only 6 legal stages in their competitive ruleset (though, frankly, it doesn't even begin to excuse freezing PS1).
Considering Ultimate has hazards toggle, that game has absolutely zero excuse. The community is actively taking away from the magic of watching tournaments by having so few stage options, and the problem gets worse when you consider the sheer amount of sets where the players decide to use the gentlemen rule to play on just one of them (PS2) for at least 50% of matches.
That hyule temple tho....?
Wait, there was a stage tier list?
wow, great editing on this one
How is it on Luminosity Mr Coney Zeeks?
Coney's got balls for making this vid, thats all I gotta say.
Outside of a few examples, most fighting game players don’t play for fame or whatever like smash players do. It’s weird that they do. I guess when you start calling your top players “god” that will start to happen.
this editing is kinda goin CRAZY
why not just ban stage exploits and unsporting play rather than castrating the stage selection?
Why did he say that randall wasnt named randall?
because he's a hater
Melee and Cony have one thing in common. they are goated
I thought I was the only one who thought the castle was a melee reference 😅
I swear Coney is related to Studstill
Pokemon colloseum background music cheers
Slippy, noo! Slippy, whyyy-y?!
Still see more stage variety played in melee
My fav stages now are the ones with shit happening I wanna combo of shit
Melee would be peak if the top players all mained g&w kirby
4:19 He did NOT enjoy buying this dude's maps in Majora's Mask, or Wind Waker.
Let's be real - did ANYONE enjoy that?
Hmmmm a title and thumbnail that greatly supports the smash community, glad to see it!
I miss transformation stadium.
The problem with a lot of these stages is “if a fox main is technical enough” why don’t we just ban fox
Why not just ban every character except fox so it’s a fair fights
I mean. Isnt the same for ultimate? We have like 8 stages and some are so cool but dont get used
They're freezing Pokemon Stadium i don't see why certain other stages can't work when frozen
Based editor with the Pyrite Town theme
I dunno about _hating_ melee players, but how can you not _mock_ them?
Not relevant but Coney's smashboard's profile pic is hella cute
Legalize temple but only for peach v puff matches
Cranky Kong's Meth Lab
Just have certain characters autoban certain stages?
well it is an old game lol
Sup Fellas! It’s a good day when there’s a coney upload 🔥
DK stage only tourney let's gooo
Coney is very interesting to listen to
tingle's just living his best midlife crisis, man. leave his ass be