Going Over The Edge (Atlantic Airways Flight 670) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2022
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How did this routine landing turn into a desperate struggle to save the plane on the runway. How could things turn deadly so quickly. The story of Atlantic Airways Flight 670 involves a plane with a very good safety record, a plane that was built for airports and runways such as this.
Some airplanes are built to suit different environments and purposes. The planet is full of variety, so it makes sense that in order to reach and serve as many people as possible, different types of equipment are going to be needed to specialize in one particular area better than others. The British Aerospace 146 is one of those planes.
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NOTICE TO VIEWERS
Just to follow up on something that a few people have pointed out. There was a slight misuse of the term "Hydroplaning" in this video.
So the specific correct term that I should have used to describe what happened is called "Reverted Rubber Hydroplaning".
My apologies.
Kudos to you for realizing and admitting your mistake and finding out what was the proper term! Keep up the great content!!
No problem, thanks for all the great videos
Most people who watch your videos understand what your saying, keep making your videos 👍
🙄 people are wack
You're not expected to say the full phrase every time you refer to the phenomenon -- hydroplaning is a perfectly acceptable abbreviation lol. No apology needed 😄
When I heard that the spoilers did not deploy my first instinct was to execute a go around. When I heard the non-emergency brakes were inefficient, I thought "now go around for sure".
I thought the same 🤷♂️
According to Mayday's coverage of the incident, the pilots were unaware the emergency brake had no antilock system and believed the brake would stop the plane. By the time it became apparent that it wouldn't, they were committed and couldn't go around, not least of which because the wheels were shredded by the aquaplaning.
@BB-xx3dv I was recently surprised to learn that I think unlike cars possibly, emergency brakes on planes are not super strong as opposed to the regular brakes.
As a regional pilot based at the west coast of Norway, I have flown to Stord Airport many times. It's a challenge when it's windy. This accident was so tragic and shaked up the local community. The fire crew responded very fast when they saw the aircraft exit the runway end. Because of the terrain, they couldn't maneuver thedouse fire truck close to the burning aircraft, but they managed to the fuselage with foam for a few minutes, giving the occupants a little more time to escape. The jet blast from engine number 2 made it hard for the cabin attendant to open the left aft door. Thankfully, most of the occupants managed to get out alive.
I might be missing something but engine#2 is on the right side; I don't see how jetblast could be factor with a left side exit.
@@232K7, this aircraft has four engines. Number 1 and 2 are on the left side.
That’s a real accident. Not neglect or ignorance, just a perfect storm of crappy issues coming together. I’m glad that the airport took the recommendations seriously and made great improvements! ❤
@@BB-xx3dvAquaplaning???
@@BB-xx3dv Spoilers failed to deploy.
I can't even imagine the amount of work you have to do to provide such quality information and visuals.
You continue to impress me.
Thank you.
this subject matter is one of the easiest to research and produce content for
a lot of the visuals in this video are random stock or microsoft flight sim.
this video isnt bad but i would suggest you walk back that positive review a bit
While this surely was a tragic incident, it's actually rather impressive that Atlantsflog doesn't have a lot of fatal accidents on record (I can only think of this one and a helicopter crash) considering under what conditions (fog, frequent storms, a main base that is literally just mountains in the sea) they generally operate.
I think there was another similar accident for the airline a few years earlier occuring at Vagar airport in the Faroe Islands. After landing, the pilots realized they did not have enough distance to stop, so they deliberately ran the aircraft off the runway onto a special run-off area with gravel, specially made for that purpose (similiar to what you sometimes can see at the bottom of hills for trucks to drive onto if their brakes fail). In that accident, I think no one was hurt, and the aircraft in question returned to service.
@@KOlsen1976 In fact, I believe that that aeroplane was the same one that crashed in Stord. I have this vague recollection of reading that somewhere.
This incident is so tragic. Thanks for your quality uploads
Hot tyres generating steam, or locked brakes isn't aquaplaning. It's when a layer of water pushes between the tyres and the ground which prevents contact with the surface. Like skimming a flat stone across a pond. If you drive your car too fast across a big puddle, this will happen to you without ever touching the brakes and with completely ambient temperature tyres.
i’m glad i’m not the only one who noticed the misuse of hydroplaning
Thanks for the extra info, the improper use of this term won't be used again.
In a car the anti skit or ABS makes the car stop faster in scenarios where the wheels would lock up, does this mean if the captain didnt apply the emergency brakes they might have stopped in time?
Aqua planning does indeed form a layer of hot steam between the water and the wheel depending on the tyre pressure.
We are taught this in pilot training.
Look up ''Reverted rubber aquaplaning'' it's very interesting :D
@@wahngott4711 ABS won’t work if you hit a body of water fast enough, same as it doesn’t work on ice..
In some stages of formula off road they drive/aqua plane across lakes
Proud that when there's "finally" an incident from Norway (where I live, though I am Swedish) it wasn't something that the pilots did explicitly wrong, and that the airport implemented the changes almost directly.
Another amazing episode, Chloe! Your videos are just getting better and better each time!
If you ever come back to an incident in either Norway, Sweden or Denmark and need someone to help you translate the language I can help since I speak all three languages fluidly.
Keep doing what you're doing, because you're amazing at it!
Welll, except it kind of was the pilots. They could have advanced the trust levers and tried again.
I wish he contacted someone who speaks Faroese he butchered every word he said in Faroese
@@davidhardister8710 That could be a very risky thing to attempt. The air brake is deployed, flaps are at full, the engines are at flight idle, and the far end of the runway is approaching fast.
Another outstanding episode, Chloe! Fantastic job, as always. Those British Aerospace 146s are so cool!
my old man used to work for an airline based at this airport. i remember him talking about this incident.
i've also had the privilege of working at sørstokken for a few months. a lot of nice people work there!
Thank you for the extra video this week! Very well done, as usual.
Also, for reference, as a viewer to give some perspective on how I come to watch your videos: Whenever this channel pops up in my feed I click right away. This usually leads me to either watching a follow-up recommended video if I missed a recent upload, or I quickly check the channel page to verify I'm up-to-date. Basically, if you can find the best way to get the video into our feeds, the content is high quality enough to be self-promoting.
That being said- an upload that goes out in the morning in North America would have the breakfast crowd covered, while also being published around the time Europe is ending their workdays and settling in to relax.
Best of luck
What a coincidence. I was watching the "Mayday"/"Air Crash Investigation" episode about this today.
What an algorithm you mean😏😁
On Disney plus
Not a coincidence this channel is known to re-edit stories they just saw and thrown back up there it's good and it's interesting but it's kind of lame
I watched the same episode a few days ago as well lol
@@erajehaidery2019 me too
The videos never lose the quality! Keep up the great job!
Yay, was just wondering what to watch! Thank you
Sounds like I posted just in time!
Thank you so much for the extra video. They are so well done, informative and I look forward to them. Personally, I'm happy with any schedule you feel comfortable with. 🙂
Thank you so much for making this. I tried to watch another channel about this accident and it was so complicated and poorly made I couldn't grasp the situation. I love how you take the time to explain in layperson's terms and provide diagrams and animation etc . You are definitely one of the best channels regarding these situations. Thank you so much ❤
I used to fly on this plane with my Dad at Manx Air. Love the design.
You've done so well with these
Was mad hyped for this video well worth the wait!!
a lovely midweek treat! great video, as always :)
Thank you for this upload.
As far as your schedule goes, it makes no difference to me. I look forward to your vids and will watch whenever you upload.
Awesome, thank you for the video!
Thank you for watching!
Disaster breakdown could you do Lapa flight 3142? You would be shock by how the pilots behavior and how they react when this start going wrong!
Great video! Upload whenever it's best, I'll watch it anyway.
Here in California Firefighters use this Aircraft to help fight Wildfires I usually see it on TV and a smile comes to my face watching it move. I love my Aviation. Great video. Such a Tragedy from a Beautiful aircraft.
How fascinating!! Not only had I never heard of this accident, I’ve never even heard of this plane!!! Thank you so much for making this!!!! I wonder why the pilots didn’t go around? Anyone know?
I'm not sure but I think because they were already on the ground and they'd committed to landing not knowing WHY the plane wasn't slowing or that spoilers had not deployed.
Probably by the time they could have taken back off there would not have been enough runway nor engine power to take off.
I'd rather be on the ground in a busted plane than up in the air as that would give a greater chance of surviving.
That's just my opinion as I'm not an expert and everything I know about flying and crashes are from great channels like this.
Hope that help or someone with more expertise can give you a better or correct answer in can my opinion is wrong .
@@notme2day No, you did a pretty good job :-) I'll add that, each way they selected to slow down (effectively) failed, and it took a crucial few seconds - each time - for them to have enough feedback to realize that they weren't slowing enough. On a very short runway like that, the cumulative effect was that by the time they even got to the point of thinking of going around, it was too late.
Does anyone know what the official report concluded?
The rwy is too short.
as someone who's Faroese it's nice too see a video about one of our planes!
As a fellow Faroese, I agree.
just wanted to let you know I really enjoy your videos. you do a great job without being excessively wrong. many of these accident recreations are way too long and cover too much information. I think youre doing a great job on these
I flew many times on BAE 146s. PSA and AirCal used them, as did American and United after mergers with smaller airlines. It's a nice little plane. Ideal for smaller airports with shorter runways, very maneuverable. I flew on them up and down California often in the 1980s.
hehe i love me a lady with some fine plane documentaries ^^
congrats on new vid, great as always! haven't heard of BAE146's in a while
Weird timing i was at the airfeild this plane was built a few days ago looking at a crash site ? Great channel
Cool Video
OMG AN EXTRA VIDEO!! My day is made! 👏👏👏
This is so interesting, I'm currently spending 4 months on the island of Stord and I didn't even know about this accident!
Dope Video!
Wow A couple days ago I checked out one of these aircraft converted to an airtanker
Amazing video I like it
this is an amazing episode! the crash of atlantic 670 is quite interesting. could you do the crash of braathens safe 239, the asker disaster?
I flew into and out of this airport in 1984. It was likely a BAe-146 as well, since I remember it was a small jet with 4 engines. The only thing I remember was getting on the plane in Copenhagen and when the "No Smoking" light went off, nearly everyone in the plane lit up cigarettes and started drinking in earnest. The Duty Free cart came by and the passengers were all buying liquor and cartons of cigarettes. It was like a "flash mob" party on a short flight. Stavanger is a gorgeous city.
Wow!!….just seen Gemima in your video at 4:04…..flying with Manx before BA
I always found the lack of reverse on this plane very strange
Having a single speed break vs 4 separate thrust reversers has the advantage of less maintenance requirement, less prone to failures. It is also cheaper.
Accident didn't happen because of that anyway. Speed break deployed, but not spoilers. When spoilers were not deployed, aircraft may actually be flying a few centimeters above the runway while even landed.
@Schooey - I flew once, betwen Bruxels to Berlin (and the returne) - but I didn’t notice this particular feature. I found such a nice plane.
I also didn’t know what you said about the A380. Interesting ! I always found strange the reverses only in the inside engines.
Very good
Regarding your upload schedule: don't overthink it. There's no long-term effect on exactly which day and when you upload. Your subs will normally see your videos within a 24-48 hour period regardless of when you upload.
Cool it’s a extra ,looking forward to Saturday
I haven't been through all the earlier comments but, to me, one of the key factors in this incident is that the pilots chose to land downwind rather than upwind. Whether landing the other way would have mitigated or overcome the braking issues is impossible to assess, but I for one would never choose to land downwind just as a matter of convenience - as seems to have been the case here - especially given all the operational limitations of the airport.
My first thought. Giving up safety margin isn’t the best idea, wind can increase or something could go wrong like in this case. Giving up safety margins has caused many accidents. Maybe the pilots got used too much to harsh conditions at their home base Vagar and got over confident.
@@lgerigk IIRC, Prince (now King) Charles had a runway overrun in one of these, also landing with a tailwind.
great vid, thanks as usual.
the last thing you might want to think of as a passengers is your plane hydroplaning on the runway like a wild truck after landing. poor pilots had no way of knowing the runway not being grooved will make a regular landing into a nightmare.
It said that the pilots were making this run every day. They would have been very familiar with the surface qualities of that runway.
@@dalepaus7486 still couldn't know about hydroplaning.
Always loved the bar 146.
good video, would you consider doing the Granville Railway disaster in Sydney Australia? Australia's worst train crash.
AOMG I DIDNT SWE THIS IM SHOCKEED YESSSD
Excellent video once again, I just wanted to mention that the same aircraft had overrun a runway although it was in 1989 but it was repaired
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Your volume is low
Cant hear you with out headphones
I hear you just fine.
Your channel continues to improve and impress.
RUclips algorithm got this one right.
Today is Tuesday though
@@mrwannabe00 They made a community post explaining the reason for the Tuesday upload. They are moving so they got this video out for today and still have a video ready for this upcoming Saturday.
I wonder if either the pilot or co-pilot to try to abandon the landing and try to fly up for another go as they surely weren't running low on fuel.
Or maybe not enough time nor room to get back up to speed.
by the time they deployed the spoilers, they were committed to landing and by the time they realized the spoilers hadn't gone up and started breaking there was not enough runway left to take off again
new chloe vid epic
Would it have been possible to execute a go around if they had not used the emergency brakes?
My brain keeps making a connection between this and TAM Airlines Flight 3054, though there are many differences between the two disasters. The biggest similarity my brain sees is that both aircraft crashed shortly after touchdown, with another that both aircraft couldn't stop in time. However, there are huge differences. Most of the occupants of this flight survived, while everyone on board the TAM flight as well as a dozen who were on the ground at the warehouse, are sadly no longer with us. Plus, both aircraft landed on runways that weren't in the best shape, although the armchair airport ground worker in me can't be convinced that a repaved, ungrooved, rainy runway truly counts as a contaminated one (I hope I might be wrong though). Terrifying all around.
Well pilot had similar idea of turning the plane to slow down more, but i would have just gone full ham and turn hard right with rudder and stick trying to relatively gently hit the ground with left wing, hopefully having slowed enough not to break the wing off and optimally due wet runway get it into sideways drift of sorts witch increases the surface area of the tire slightly and due the shape kinda stops the hydro planing or least makes it less of a issue. Done similar thing with car several times to gain the traction on the front and saved the day in couple emergencies. Not sure how well it would have worked with freaking airplane, but in theory if speed was slowish and airframe study enough wing tip would act as additional contact point and least prevented plane from sliding down from the ledge. Someone with proper flight controls in the simulator please do try this and comment if it worked or not.
I averted a car accident with what you've suggested. A plane is a whole different beast. Do that and you've shot your wad--if it didn't work, you'd have absolutely no control, no second chance. You can't regain control from a skid in an airplane like you sometimes can in a car. Safe piloting is about maintaining control of the aircraft.
With a plane you've got a third vertical dimension involved. Plane doesn't have the ground stability of a car; its center of gravity is up in the air. Plus, you're dealing with the lift factor of the wings, how the air would catch them as you skid. What you're suggesting could easily flip the plane over, especially given the lack of traction of the wheels. In fact, if you watch enough air disaster videos, you'll see a couple where a plane skidded and did exactly that: flipped right over. Even SUVs and vans, whose centers of gravity are not nearly high as a plane and don't have the lift factor, get flipped pretty easily.
There's also the fact that if you land with a tailwind, a gust could cause the plane to stall unexpectedly during the slowest parts of an approach.
Hello Perso Oisels, I agree with you 'two-&-half-out-of-five'...I n the sense that...the wind velocity fluctuation range relative to the a/c may not be a f(x) of whether the wind is on the nose or tail (!?)
That’s rather a fascinating video for me, as I few in jump seat of one of these BAE 146. aircraft. I was a PPL holder, until physical detereiation in my health woul (well in fact has) meant that I no longer can obtain medical fitness to fly.. on this occasion the pilot was instructed to land - as is usual on the duty runway at Brisbane. He.declined the tower in struction and given that the runway way was nearly two miles long, and the tailwind was least than 8 KIAS, WAS given clearance. This being a cargo aircraft & landing in the early hours of the morning , there was no other air traffic at that time. What I didn’t know about this aircraft was the rear mounted air brake. The aeroplane landed smoothly and even took the first exit, albeit a little faster than a passenger jet might have.From my seat, I couldn’t see the engines & therefore did not ask why there was no observable reverse thrust. I was more.interested In whether given the high wing configurationasked whether they could perform a’side-slip approach & landing - apparently they weren’t interested in this subject as it wasn’t something ATLP pilots normally practised.😊
Do a video on the big military plane that went down on hwy21 in Savannah Georgia
Literally watch the ACI episode like 2 days ago lol.
Would the large air brakes on this plane have worked to help slow it or were they inoperable as well?
I remebember this one. I was working with Kaverner at the time, and believe me, it was a very subdued group who gathered when they heard the news. People died. I don't think that anyone I worked with ever met any of those who died in this accident, but they were still family. And there were people who went off to work and never came home.
I love your accent btw 😊
Did the report mention anything for or against the pilot's attempt to slow by swerving?
I would imagine it would be mentioned, but I can't see them saying it was a good or bad thing to do.
hydroplaning is when traction between the tires & ground is lost because of a layer of water, not when hot tires cause water on the ground to evaporate 😅
Could you please do a video on Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 108? I don't believe you have done this aircraft yet. Thank you!
Any ideas what crash the Saturday video is on. They makes it sound recent so I’m thinking one of the 737 max crashes but am not sure
Edit: changed he to they
Maybe it’s Malaysia 370
Possibly China eastern 5735
@@nintendoolivier600 still too soon for that.
Yeah, mh 370 was one I was thinking they might do because it’s considered the greatest aviation mystery and they still haven’t made a video on it
I don’t think it will be the China eastern flight, as said it’s way too soon to know what really happened
If you have a tail wind then you open up potentially a sail on the rear....no good I would have thought
Does the BAE/Avro have a "good safety record"?
Sure if you're breaking it down individually with the BAE, into every variant and then re-classed as the Avro RJ....in every variant....and counting them all as different aircraft.
Did the rear flaps at the tail end accidentally engage as "hinted" due to its proximity, and somehow overrode any data to start the spoilers. Since everything burned, the FDR should have had some data left intact.
Makes me think of short cuts.... they never are. Going with instead of against the wind was shorter/easier but... It wasn't.
Its like trying to brake at 250km/h in a plymouth 426 whit 4 brake drum lol.
I worked at BA with a fleet of 5 of these, absolutely brilliant aircraft….our chief engineer once said to me, if you’re going to crash this is the best plane to do it in as in his words, ….they are built like Brick sh-thouses!……ps we were all very fond of one in particular…..G-MIMA known as Gemima to us all…..
Is this passenger version of C-5 Gaalxy?
I'm curious if abort landing was still possible when brakes failed, small, light airplane
No good comes from taking shortcuts. They just had to get there a little sooner and land with a tail wind with a wet runway
Just a hypothetical question from someone that knows little about these things; Instead of trying to swerve the aircraft, could the landing gear have been lifted to create more drag?
That idea is crazy enough to actually just work! But not sure the wheels would be able to lift with all the associated weight and pressure. The end of this airport landing strip could use that special foam concrete I've been hearing about.
How would lifting the landing gear create more drag?
@@annamyob4624 the plane would collapse to the ground... That is severe drag lol
I wonder why they didn't charter a Widerøe DASH-8.
I didn't think that Spoilers were Factored into the Calculations of the Stopping Distance of an Aircraft on Landing.
Could you please do an another disaster averted
We jokingly said at work the only aircraft with 5 APUs
I'd like to point out that a 1400 meter runway is barbarically short for this type of airliner. I live next to a small, local airport of 5000 ft (1500m) and I never seen anything larger than a 15-20 passenger private use it in the 25 years I lived next to it.
To land a plane of that size, on an island, and not even be bothered by a tailwind is borderline depraved negligence... There's nothing sensible about anything that transpired here.
Actually, in 2006, the runaway at Vágar Airport, the home hub of Atlantic Airways/Atlantsflog was only 1,250 m. It was lengthened to the current 1,800 m only in 2011.
Fyi..it's pronounced Sta vang er. I lived there 8 years and still call it stav andger haha. Great vid! Thankyou
I thought this was the Chapecoence accident because is the same plane. LAMIA in Rio Negro.
Stop drop drop ....drop..roll roll roll ...roll roll untill the ocean puts your flames out...grab your fishing pole
OMG! I call the other channels that put this content out on Saturday my "Saturday disaster cartoons"
Hello @Disaster Breakdown, can u do Vnukovo Airlines flight 2801, worst plane crash in Norwegian history. Hope that you'll read it❤❤❤
Is it 'runaway' or 'runway?'
Small plane with 4 engines is crazy lol u wouldn’t see that today
Yet another tabletop runway without an EMAS. Why?
No reverse thrust?! Very odd.
Do air Canada 759 landing at San Francisco in 2017
Why didn't they just try to go around?
What a nice pleasant voice...so rare on YT!
Possibly a little more "just in case" thinking could have prevented this disaster. Instead, just to save a little time, the choice was made to land downwind. Seemed so reasonable at the time, who would fault the pilot? But you never know when some unreasonable factor is going to interfere with your expectations. Not that the pilots did anything different than drivers do every day on the road. I'm more scared out on the highway than I ever am in an airplane, and all the airplane disaster videos in the world won't change that!
shit happens to me in war thunder all the time
Atlantic Airways❤💙🤍. They are a lovely airline, flying with them makes you experience the atmosphere of a close-knit community. Difficult terrain, rough seas and challenging weather conditions make people stick together to battle the elements, as is often seen on northern isles anywhere. I really loved flying with them to the Far Oer.
I love having several aviation uploads each Saturday morning, but if it helps you channel to have a different schedule, I’ll get used to a new favorite day 🤷🏾♀️
They are only posting a video today because a community post they made 6-7 days ago explains they are moving so they had this video completed. They are still uploading on Saturday.
I like Tuesday uploads, Saturday is a little oversaturated
Nobody pulls the handbrake of his car at 200 mph, the only thing you have to do is brake,and let the technology (ABS)do his job.