A Pilot With A History (Crossair Flight 3597) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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    In a lot of air accidents, pilot error plays some kind of role. The degree to which Pilot Error contributes to an accident can vary. Sometimes, pilot error can blossom in the form of sheer incompetence from the pilot as was with one such pilot flying a Swiss regional jet on its final Approach into Zurich. Crossair Flight 3597 crashed a few miles short of the runway at Zurich killing 24 people. How did the pilot flying handle the approach? And what sort of history did this pilot have?
    CHAPTERS:
    00:00 - Intro
    00:44 - Preliminary information
    02:22 - Captain Lutz
    05:10 - Zurich Airport
    08:57 - The Final Moments
    10:41 - Aftermath
    Background Music Credits:
    Follow the Falcon - David Celeste
    Fracture - Jakob Ahlbom
    Tracker - Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen
    The Fig Tree - Jakob Ahlbom
    Sources:
    www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/b...
    aviation-safety.net/database/...
    / reckless-faith-the-cra...
    code7700.com/case_study_cross...
    www.dailymotion.com/video/x2h...

Комментарии • 351

  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +58

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  • @olivier8446
    @olivier8446 2 года назад +535

    I flew with the copilot a few weeks before the accident (I’m still a cabin crew @ Swiss), he was such a nice person and was delighted to have achieved his dream of flying. Throughout the following years, every time I upgraded myself (cabin crew instructor, purser, long haul purser ) I always raised my glass of champaign to the sky in his memory, as I was able to make a career and he not… So long Stefan!

    • @c.j.4180
      @c.j.4180 2 года назад +76

      Thank you for sharing this bittersweet memory, what a lovely way to memorialize him 🥂

    • @Bravo-Too-Much
      @Bravo-Too-Much 2 года назад +4

      I’m sure you only did that if you had inspectors for attention.

    • @slavikk6712
      @slavikk6712 2 года назад +113

      @@Bravo-Too-Much Why is there always the person that Has to say something negative

    • @ryankenyon5010
      @ryankenyon5010 2 года назад +39

      @@slavikk6712 Upon closer inspection, you will almost always find that the person is 1. American and 2. An ardent Trump supporer. This one is no exception.

    • @slavikk6712
      @slavikk6712 2 года назад +40

      @@ryankenyon5010 Why do you have to bring politics into this?

  • @mattamiller2002
    @mattamiller2002 2 года назад +77

    Honestly impressed this guy managed to crash a stationary aircraft

  • @koantao8321
    @koantao8321 2 года назад +159

    I was a regular passenger on Crossair in the 90s, so it may be possible that capt. Lutz flew me somewhere across Europe. Crossair was actually a very good airline from a passenger perspective, perhaps less so from the more hidden ones. This shows how important regulations are whenever safety is the main concern.

    • @bogden9585
      @bogden9585 2 года назад

      Doubtful

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +2

      In the aviation industry, safety is ALWAYS the FIRST concern.

    • @farhanatashiga3721
      @farhanatashiga3721 2 года назад +1

      @@hb1338 I think there's been plenty of occasions that proves otherwise

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 Год назад +6

      @@hb1338 Money is the first concern. Safety is only a concern because unsafe airlines don't make money.

    • @Enceladus2106
      @Enceladus2106 Год назад +1

      @@hb1338 Airlines only care about safety is because if they don't they lose planes, get a bad rep and may have their AOC revoked. Under capitalism, profit is always the primary concern.

  • @gemnickygamer169
    @gemnickygamer169 2 года назад +115

    When you retract landing gear while parked you know you got problems. It's a little terrifying how this flying liability was allowed to keep being a captain and even train people for a time.

    • @EvanBear
      @EvanBear 2 года назад +12

      How is that even possible? Can you just... Retract it without any conformation and boom the plane lands on its belly?

    • @Cris-em9tn
      @Cris-em9tn 2 года назад +11

      @@EvanBear it probably depends on the age of the plane. If it happened in the 90s, it could've been a plane from the 60s or 70s. (I mean, Chalk's water planes operated from the early 1940s until 2005 when one disintegrated mid flight so it could've even been older.) When airplanes were just getting major consumer use, I assume the standards were similar to the army - where people have very clear checks and balances to fly and to stop (like fighter jets on a carrier).
      I bet now it is impossible. But if it depended entirely on pilots before, then I could see someone making such a stupid mistake once. Though by "someone" I mean just one or two people ever, since that would be as foreign as deciding to just throw on the parking brake while driving.
      Edited because for some reason I thought this took place in 1991, not 2001.

    • @EvanBear
      @EvanBear 2 года назад +8

      @@Cris-em9tn It just sounds silly to me that someone could accidentally retract the landing gear while on land. It's like you said, as weird as using the parking brake during driving. But if he was employed with CrossAir at the time it would've been a regional jet of some sorts and I'd think surely there would be some step that would prevent one from just, retracting the landing gear and totalling a plane like that. It's just so surreal to me.

    • @yoopernow
      @yoopernow 2 года назад +7

      A "squat" or Weight-On-Wheels switch should have made retraction impossible. Sounds like another maintenance question.

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +3

      @@EvanBear Yes. The only people allowed in aircraft cockpits are pilots and maintenance engineers. It is an entirely reasonable assumption that they all know how to behave themselves.

  • @aaroncarson
    @aaroncarson 2 года назад +165

    I laughed out loud at the part where Captain Lutz retracted the landing gear on the ground. Frankly, I'm wholeheartedly impressed that the plane didn't have some sort of "uh, no." alarm!

    • @Powerranger-le4up
      @Powerranger-le4up 2 года назад +18

      Homer Simpson did that as well.

    • @aaroncarson
      @aaroncarson 2 года назад +10

      @@Powerranger-le4up it’s such a Homer Simpson thing

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 2 года назад +15

      From memory, Lutz confused the plane with another that may have an "uh oh" alarm and will not allow retraction of the gear.
      What a Lutz!

    • @Galvatron759
      @Galvatron759 Год назад +6

      I laughed at him accidentally flying to another country on the sightseeing trip.

    • @jocelinopiazza5967
      @jocelinopiazza5967 Год назад

      Indeed

  • @MrEsMysteriesMagicks
    @MrEsMysteriesMagicks 2 года назад +31

    On another video about this crash, the pilot's incursion into another country on a flight was discussed in further detail. He flew into Italy and didn't know it until some passengers sent word to the cockpit that the road signs on the streets below them were in Italian.

  • @ThePuschkin1986
    @ThePuschkin1986 2 года назад +41

    among the victims of the crash were pop singers Melanie Thornton, as well as the pop trio Passion Fruit, of which only one survived with severe injuries

    • @danielshannon6027
      @danielshannon6027 Год назад +8

      Melanie Thornton had performed a Christmas themed concert for a new album hours before she died.

    • @lonerebeI
      @lonerebeI Год назад +5

      Melanie had such a great voice

    • @n.e.e.n.official6639
      @n.e.e.n.official6639 10 месяцев назад +3

      Melanie Thornton 😢😢😢😢😢😢

  • @redmanish
    @redmanish 2 года назад +76

    I suppose there always has to be someone who passed their courses with the lowest score in the class. Unfortunately, it seems this one’s dangerous lack of skills was continuously overlooked.

    • @robynzelickson6164
      @robynzelickson6164 2 года назад +8

      My dad used to say about competency in various professions - doctors, pilots, etc that they didn't all graduate at the top of their class.

  • @callanharvey2293
    @callanharvey2293 2 года назад +120

    I went from not knowing this channel, to literally waiting for when you upload ❤

  • @elite_facts_10140
    @elite_facts_10140 2 года назад +50

    It’s good that someone has finally made a very in-depth summary of this accident

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 2 года назад

      Theres a whole episode of Mayday on it.

    • @billythekid3234
      @billythekid3234 2 года назад

      @@BobbyGeneric145 Right, about 40 min long,,,,,, great video, I like this one also.

    • @elite_facts_10140
      @elite_facts_10140 2 года назад

      @@BobbyGeneric145 I had heard about it and maybe watched a few minutes of it, but could never find the full version of it though.

  • @erlienfrommars
    @erlienfrommars 2 года назад +11

    This was the flight that killed Melanie Thornton.

  • @princeofcupspoc9073
    @princeofcupspoc9073 2 года назад +77

    3:50 I have a completely different way to express the situation. Crossair refused to pay pilots a reasonable and competitive wage. That means that good pilots had no reason to fly with them. Typical profits over safety. I'm sure that whatever happened to the company and the employees, the board all made money in buckets. With passenger's lives at risk. But millionaire sociopaths don't lose sleep over killing people.

    • @p4rz1val
      @p4rz1val 2 года назад +8

      Well, kinda. Crossair was a subsidiary of Swissair, and we're talking about 90's Swissair, when their board embarked on a quest to burn as much money as possible, as quickly as possible in as many unprofitable ventures as possible - and while Crossair itself was profitable (and took over Swissair's operations after the collape of their parent company), most profts Crossair made were probably immediatley swallowed up by Swissair's ever increasing debt obligations towards Sabena and SAirGroup's other partners.

    • @dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653
      @dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 2 года назад +2

      Boeing comes to mind

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 2 года назад +3

      @@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
      Then again, not setting foot on a Scarebus.
      DC: Death Coffins
      I suspect we could play games with aircraft names all day. Can be fun though.

    • @sleepful1917
      @sleepful1917 2 года назад +2

      spot on, nothing worse in this world than a millionaire

  • @powwowken2760
    @powwowken2760 2 года назад +70

    The fact that they were using a runway without ILS specifically for night landings due to politics still blows me away.

    • @rrknl5187
      @rrknl5187 2 года назад +20

      I see your point but I've shot hundreds of non-precision approaches at night in lousy weather. Never a problem, never nervous, just shoot the approach and either land or go around.
      But I agree, safety absolutely must take precedence over noise regulations, every time, especially given that planes don't make much noise during approach and landing.

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +5

      Why ? Pilots have been landing aircraft safely at night without ILS for more than 80 years. I know many GA pilots who have night ratings but no instrument rating and not one of them has ever had a 'moment'.

    • @user-kb8rc5vq2i
      @user-kb8rc5vq2i 2 года назад +2

      @@rrknl5187 It's easy to dismiss noise regulations but they exist with good reason as noise can give rise to severe and chronic health issues (hearing damage, long-term sleep deprivation and subsequent health issues etc.).

    • @Tylercm262
      @Tylercm262 2 года назад +2

      There are noise abatement procedures all across the world. The airport next to me lands south at night for that. As landing north flies over neighborhoods in between the middle and inner markers.

    • @rrknl5187
      @rrknl5187 2 года назад +1

      @@user-kb8rc5vq2i I have no problem with noise abatement the vast majority of the time but when these procedures introduce hazard they need to be temporarily modified or not be required.
      Safety always overrules convenience.
      I would not allow a takeoff over a noise sensitive area but a landing aircraft makes far less noise and should be allowed under abnormal circumstances.

  • @clarsach29
    @clarsach29 2 года назад +85

    How the HELL do you retract a plane's landing gear while it is still on the ground!?!? Moreover, why don't planes have some mechanism to prevent retraction if it is accidentally initiated when the plane is on the ground?

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 2 года назад +26

      I would have assumed that the weight of the plane being on the gears would have _totally_ prevented that...and I would have been wrong...🤔

    • @refutonefandus
      @refutonefandus 2 года назад +7

      You don't want to prevent retraction or deployment. If the NWS circuit is stuck closed, that means you won't be able to retract the gear despite there being no ground pressing in. Gear not coming up will cause severe drag on the aircraft, and over a certain airspeed they will simply get ripped off the aircraft, causing even more problems.

    • @JungleYT
      @JungleYT 2 года назад

      There is supposed to be a weight switch to prevent that?

    • @AKGStudios
      @AKGStudios 2 года назад +8

      In fact he wanted to prove that it is not possible and turned out it was. However according to most landing gear mechanics, the rear gear can not be retracted but the front can. The front only folds back which allows the plane to tip nose down to the ground.

    • @refutonefandus
      @refutonefandus 2 года назад +2

      @@JungleYT Normally yes, both a weight switch and a speed measurement taken to engage/disengage the NWS (depending upon aircraft type). You don't want to engage NWS over a certain speed, for example, so it's automatically cut off. To use an example, on the F16, it's either 60 or 80 kts that it's cut off (memory is fuzzy at this point). But if the weight switch is faulty, you don't want to just assume failed open as that can cause serious airframe issues. At about 300kts on the same F16, the front steering assembly will get damaged if not outright ripped off if it's still extended.

  • @hogexd
    @hogexd 2 года назад +15

    I’m so glad one of your videos was recommended to me. I know very little of aviation accidents or aviation in general, but I’m extremely interested in videos like this anyway. All of your videos are extremely detailed and well written.

  • @blerst7066
    @blerst7066 2 года назад +26

    Last time I was this fast the DC-9 was still in production.

  • @Rschaltegger
    @Rschaltegger 2 года назад +24

    To Note: On Board this Crossair Flight was singer Melanie Thornton and the Pop group Passion Fruit. Both Thornton and Passion Fruit perished in the accident.

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 Год назад +4

      I wondered about that. That was weird at the time. I liked her.

    • @jenbunny1984
      @jenbunny1984 7 месяцев назад +2

      I thought this was the flight they were on! RIP to everyone!😢

  • @alialhassani3380
    @alialhassani3380 2 года назад +88

    I think airlines should make a mental health test to see if their pilots can handle a tough sittuation like financal issues and stuff

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 2 года назад +16

      My airline asked me in the interview if I was able to handle first year copilot pay rates. I told them it was a raise and they laughed!

    • @vernonsmithee792
      @vernonsmithee792 2 года назад +9

      @@BobbyGeneric145 If airlines Instituted in depth and widespread mental health screening for pilots, we would see a revival of steamships for international travel. Most pilots would be disqualified😵😵😵

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +2

      @@vernonsmithee792 Evidence ? Most airlines use temperament as the very first selection criterion.

    • @vernonsmithee792
      @vernonsmithee792 2 года назад +2

      @@hb1338 You obviously didn't have the experience of getting to fly with some of the characters I ran into during a 25+yr run at one of the "big three".

    • @tomebers8683
      @tomebers8683 2 года назад

      I made a comment like this on a separate video of a flight crash, I'm glad someone agrees with this idea.

  • @CYMotorsport
    @CYMotorsport 2 года назад +70

    Was the BAE too small/ too early to have Go-around auto thrust? This one always eats at me bc of how many times control gave clearance for the other runway despite the legal zoning codes in deteriorating conditions.

    • @togafly.
      @togafly. 2 года назад

      There wasn't enough altitude for a go around

    • @davedoesthingsdreaded
      @davedoesthingsdreaded 2 года назад +3

      @@togafly. a go around should be possible at any altitude

    • @billythekid3234
      @billythekid3234 2 года назад +9

      @@davedoesthingsdreaded You can't do a go around when you are flying into a mountain.

    • @EvanBear
      @EvanBear 2 года назад +7

      @@davedoesthingsdreaded They're not talking about at which altitude the plane was flying, they're talking about the fact that the plane couldn't gain altitude fast enough to avoid terrain.

    • @CYMotorsport
      @CYMotorsport 2 года назад

      @@togafly. go around altitude is decided in advance clearly this pilot made some errors including not establishing that along with no cockpit management. Assuming they even had that though, if the plane wasn’t equipped with similar tech we see on the air bus for Instance which has auto throttle for go around preprogrammed so decisions are made in an instant which match appropriate inputs, it still might not have saved the plane if they made a decision at the go around altitude

  • @Wythryn
    @Wythryn 2 года назад +20

    Please tell me I’m not the only one that broke down, when he was thanking his patrons and calmly said “mom left me at Best Buy” 😂

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 2 года назад +2

      That username does stick out.😆

  • @billcallahan9303
    @billcallahan9303 2 года назад +15

    Just under 500 total hours for Mr. Copilot. Incredible. I flew ragged aircraft like the Beech 18 in all weather. I figure I didn't know what the hell I was doing until at least 2,000 hours.

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +1

      I don't know about small carriers, but most large airlines do not accept pilots wih less than 1000 hours experience in air transport operations.

  • @TinkSalsa
    @TinkSalsa 2 года назад +30

    How do you retract landing gear when already on the ground? There isn't a safety feature preventing that?

  • @SeverinLP
    @SeverinLP 2 года назад +9

    RIP Melanie Thornton

    • @solidbase77
      @solidbase77 Год назад +1

      FANTASTIC singer! ))) Listen to her very sensual song "Heaven's Got To Be Better" in the Le Click "Tonight Is The Night" album ))) She was gorgeous! RIP

  • @Ji99i3
    @Ji99i3 2 года назад +8

    I am a new sub. I like the background music, the wonderful research, the small personal touches and the respect for the victims. Til next one

  • @skylineXpert
    @skylineXpert 2 года назад +25

    A pilot who should have been a ramp agent

    • @vixen4327
      @vixen4327 2 года назад +1

      Baggage carrier!!

    • @tomebers8683
      @tomebers8683 2 года назад +3

      @@vixen4327 probably more suited for a check in person, at least the worst he could do was accidentally turn off the computer

    • @kellygable1668
      @kellygable1668 Год назад

      baggage handler , he could still say he was a pilot . i pile-it here and i pile-it there . had a friend who actually did that , he bought his own pilots uniform to wear to the bar and impress girls .

  • @mpsangha
    @mpsangha 2 года назад +5

    It's ironic you uploaded this today, I just watched the Mayday episode for this last night.

  • @TBlack-dz5bo
    @TBlack-dz5bo 2 года назад +4

    Hello, I’m a new subscriber, just wanted to say I really appreciate all the work and details you put into your videos. Thank you!

  • @vivian4329
    @vivian4329 2 года назад +3

    this sounds odd but as someone who has been afraid of flying (and most methods of transportation that aren't walking tbf) for basically her whole life these videos actually do a lot to hopefully one day confront that fear! thanks chloe for all you do to produce these so quickly and of such high quality!

    • @Cris-em9tn
      @Cris-em9tn 2 года назад +3

      They definitely demystify the accidents. You learn really fast that almost no planes crash from turbulence, unless the company was known to have issues. (I.e. Chalk's water planes from 1940s breaking apart mid flight in 2005 from bad repairs) You also realize quickly you're hitting the same accidents on multiple channels, because airplane regulations change with nearly every big crash. Decades ago a plane landed with a fire on board and before even the doors opened, half the people were doomed as they couldn't see. Every plane now must have floor lights to guide people in smoke. New designs also need to show they can disembark all passengers in 90 seconds with just half the working exits.
      Or like... simple things. Smoking was banned in the 80s, but all bathrooms still are required to have an ash tray. If someone doesn't know they can't smoke during a long flight, they would likely use the ashtray in the door. If they flushed it or threw it out, a fire could happen.
      Planes today are the safest they've ever been, because it just takes one crash to change an entire country's regulations for allowing planes in. (Like some planes we simply don't allow to land, some being the Chinese copies of other planes for instance.) Meanwhile it takes a thousand crashes for one single country to change a car and not be required to do it anywhere else.

  • @xspritegodx
    @xspritegodx 2 года назад

    One of my fav RUclipsrs thank you for the high quality videos every week

  • @Mochrie99
    @Mochrie99 2 года назад +3

    Another great video. Sorry you were feeling ill, I hope you're feeling better now. Keep up the amazing work on these videos!

  • @tdestroyer1882
    @tdestroyer1882 2 года назад +4

    Keep up the great work! These videos are absolutely amazing!

  • @pierceklinke13
    @pierceklinke13 2 года назад +1

    Your videos are so thorough and I love the narration style

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 2 года назад +9

    Missing the country you are aiming for is a fairly major screw-up. More so than raising the landing gear - before taking off.

  • @nyanbinary1717
    @nyanbinary1717 2 года назад +2

    Hope you’re feeling better! Quality stuff as always.

  • @josephmassaro
    @josephmassaro 2 года назад +6

    "I know but this guy has no airline experience at all. He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air... yes, birds too." - Airplane! the movie

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 2 года назад +2

      Real cause of this crash: The Otto pilot deflated.

  • @arandomthing2489
    @arandomthing2489 2 года назад +14

    Yesss! Just about to get on a 9 hour flight so this’ll be great to watch! Love ur vids, and sorry I haven’t been commenting lately I’ve been quite busy
    (Btw this took place on my birthday :/ )

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +5

      Thank you so much for watching!

    • @itscosmicnerd
      @itscosmicnerd 2 года назад +3

      Happy early birthday!

    • @RindaJane
      @RindaJane 2 года назад +3

      Safe travels 🙏

    • @arandomthing2489
      @arandomthing2489 2 года назад +2

      @@DisasterBreakdown no problem :D

    • @arandomthing2489
      @arandomthing2489 2 года назад +4

      @@RindaJane lol just finished the 9 hour flight from Munich to Washington DC… kill me im so jet lagged

  • @firedrake9021
    @firedrake9021 2 года назад +4

    2:44 Homer, is that you?!
    Excellent work, as always. Keep it up!

  • @EvanBear
    @EvanBear 2 года назад +3

    Despite living in switzerland I've never heard of this crash before as I was a child when it happened. Thank you for covering it.

  • @kennymcdaniel9342
    @kennymcdaniel9342 2 года назад

    So happy I found this channel. Fantastic content

  • @halcyonflo0r952
    @halcyonflo0r952 2 года назад +1

    Leeetsss goooooiooo. Ive been bingeing your videos all week. Your SUCH q good channel

  • @tomatofacedwitch2394
    @tomatofacedwitch2394 2 года назад +8

    chloe im freaking obsessed with this channel

  • @brian_keith
    @brian_keith 2 года назад +10

    Melanie Thornton and members of pop group Passion Fruit were some of the 24 killed in this crash. RIP from a La Bouche fan.

  • @soficontreras8249
    @soficontreras8249 2 года назад

    New viewer here, thanks so much for providing subtitles on your newer videos, it's super convenient!

  • @KatDoodlesDogs
    @KatDoodlesDogs 2 года назад

    Thanks for making a video even though you felt sick!

  • @SoraKingdomHearts
    @SoraKingdomHearts 2 года назад +1

    8:27 Hearing that only one Controller was in the controll Tower reminds me of the Uberlingen Crash because there was also only one Controller in the Controll Tower of Zurich, and because the controller got killed by revenge the rule is now that there must be a minimum of 2 Controllers at the same time (I know the rule is not set only because the controller got killed)

  • @Happymali10
    @Happymali10 2 года назад +1

    The accident took the lives of several celebrities, including singer Melanie Thornton and the vice-mayor of Jerusalem at the time.
    Thornton was travelling to Switzerland for a tv-performance of "Wonderful Dream" (the tv-show she would've performed on was cancelled), which is probably her most well-known song despite only gaining popularity after her tragic death.

  • @abigoreternal7537
    @abigoreternal7537 2 года назад +6

    "Only 9 people survived the crash and fire"
    AD:🎶I'M SO HAPPY I'M ALIVE 🎶
    I seriously damn near spit my coffee out. WTF?!?! That is just wrong

  • @rondakamai7670
    @rondakamai7670 Год назад

    You're voice is amazing and very soothing... so wonderfully researched and accurate...want more please 🌹

  • @Vilizio
    @Vilizio 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for another great video.

  • @colingriffin3503
    @colingriffin3503 2 года назад

    I'm a new subscriber. I love your videos there freaking awesome

  • @sleepyhollow783
    @sleepyhollow783 2 года назад +14

    You know, I started watching due to the interesting content, but have found myself staying late because of the humorous sponsor names... "MomLeftMeAtBestBuy".... "PanicChicken"....☺

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 2 года назад +3

      "WhereAreMyCheetos"

  • @kabira.k1199
    @kabira.k1199 2 года назад

    Your contents are very impressive in every respect ...keep it up

  • @dawnakern7467
    @dawnakern7467 2 года назад +1

    Awesome channel. I'm a brand new subscriber and look forward to more

  • @chemiker494
    @chemiker494 2 года назад +2

    Stay safe, stay healthy, and continue to make great videos

  • @robertmcghintheorca49
    @robertmcghintheorca49 Год назад +1

    I'm embarrassed to admit this, but this accident was how I was introduced to the British pop group, the Spice Girls. This was because on the flight was a German pop band, Passion Fruit. The "Mayday"/"Air Crash Investigation" episode about this incident described them as Germany's answer to the Spice Girls. Speaking of musical celebrities, the crash occurred ten years to the day that Freddie Mercury passed away.

  • @chesterfieldmcfistycups2836
    @chesterfieldmcfistycups2836 2 года назад +4

    Idea for a video: The Twilight Zone movie disaster.
    It may not involve a plane but is still an aviation disaster.
    I imagine enough of the story details can be found for a 10+ minute upload. Plus, it would help determine if helicopter disasters is a good fit for the channel!

    • @Powerranger-le4up
      @Powerranger-le4up 2 года назад +2

      Should also eventually do the helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant.

  • @geronimowindow
    @geronimowindow 2 года назад +20

    Unfortunately among the dead were Melanie Thornton, the lead singer of the Eurodance band La Bouche, as well as two members of of the Eurodance band Passion Fruit, Nathaly(ie) van het Ende and Maria Serrano Serrano. May they rest in peace.

    • @chdreturns
      @chdreturns 2 года назад +10

      That pilot should not have been flying. Passion Fruit had a bright career ahead of them & Melanie was just on the verge of launching a successful solo career too. I have the singles that were supposed to be off Passion Fruits second album & they slap hard (Bongo Man & I'm Dreaming of a Winter Wonderland). The third member of Passion Fruit who survived wound up with life altering injuries unfortunately.

    • @antraneenas2343
      @antraneenas2343 2 года назад +1

      The other member that survived, is my mums best friend she just escaped with some skin being burnt

  • @richarddyasonihc
    @richarddyasonihc 2 года назад

    I’ve been a subscriber for some times, I am a PPL pilot but understand aeroplane because very well, as I have aerobatic qualifications and enjoy your concise narrative - so hi and get well soon.

  • @SYLperc
    @SYLperc 2 года назад +1

    I watch these every saturday lunch at work!

  • @dex1lsp
    @dex1lsp 2 года назад +11

    For a country that has so many other things functioning at a very high level, Switzerland has had way too many problems with its commercial aviation in the past.

    • @EvanBear
      @EvanBear 2 года назад +3

      We have some really difficult terrain here that we unfortunately can't influence. It is remarkable though, I must agree with you on that.

  • @colingriffin3503
    @colingriffin3503 2 года назад

    It's pretty cool because I watch air disasters every night and you do videos of the air disaster shows that I already seen what is cool too

  • @low-res-nic
    @low-res-nic 2 месяца назад

    A quick note: there are many interviews with one Survivor from the crash... That survivor is famous SP Politician Jaqueline Badran, she tells the story in her POV and makes it even more fascinating! She always told everyone that she's not gonna live any longer than 40, jokingly ofc! just days after her 40th birthday was that accident. It highlights perfectly how the universe always has a plan...
    and a quick correction: Crossair ceased operations to transform into Swiss intl. Airlines, since swissair was filing bankruptcy in 2002 or more like since the grounding in 2001! Swissair transfered all its Planes, Crew and other Inventory over to crossair... Its kinda a difficult toppic to quickly break down, so shortened: Swissair wasnt part of a merger between Crossair to generate the new SWISS ;) But it was an awesome video with verry much detail!

  • @Handjinson
    @Handjinson 2 года назад

    Respect for this Chanel👏👍

  • @dutch1665
    @dutch1665 2 года назад +4

    Can you do one about MH 17? Your breakdowns are good and clear and i need to know more about the disaster

  • @DingisMcGee
    @DingisMcGee 2 года назад +1

    Among the passengers killed in the crash were Melanie Thornton, the former American lead singer of the German-based Eurodance group La Bouche.

  • @xgh0stg1rl
    @xgh0stg1rl 2 года назад +6

    Could you maybe make a video about flight MH17 that was shot down above Ukrain? it's a bit different from your usual videos seeing as there is neither pilor error nor mechanical error in this crash, but everything around it is very interesting.

  • @diamantgeisztgedera2789
    @diamantgeisztgedera2789 2 года назад +1

    Nice channel keep it up

  • @terencenxumalo1159
    @terencenxumalo1159 11 месяцев назад

    good work

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 2 года назад +7

    Some people just aren't good at their jobs and this pilot is one of those kinds of people.

  • @paulbeddows6014
    @paulbeddows6014 2 года назад +5

    I never understood how in any high stress job why supervisors leave an inexperienced person to.manage alone rediculous are as people that buy property near an airport then start complaining

    • @hb1338
      @hb1338 2 года назад +3

      What evidence is there that the controller did anything wrong ? A night time non-precision approach is an entirely normal thing and presents no threat whatsoever to a competent pilot.

    • @paulbeddows6014
      @paulbeddows6014 2 года назад +2

      @@hb1338 controller did nothing wrong themselves and refused to open the other runway due to not being trained in that approach and I believe that was the correct thing to do but the supervisor left them in that predicament.
      If the supervisor had of been there they could of opened up the other runway safely and taught the inexperienced controller how to safely do this. And that would of saved the plane.

    • @vernonsmithee792
      @vernonsmithee792 2 года назад

      @@hb1338 the key word being: "competent"

    • @lilg2300
      @lilg2300 2 года назад

      Uszally the property was first, then came the airport. Anyway, Europe is densely populated and the airports near cities usually don't operate during night hours, for obvious reasons.

  • @DZstudios.
    @DZstudios. 2 года назад +3

    I would be glad to know what is that sad violin music your use in some of your vids…would like to listen to the full of it

  • @AlternateCesarT
    @AlternateCesarT 2 года назад +1

    love your content. what will the next video about?

  • @stevekaye5536
    @stevekaye5536 2 года назад

    A decent video well constructed - thankyou:

  • @markoarkaina8656
    @markoarkaina8656 2 года назад +4

    He retracted the gear while the plane was parked? Like Homer Simpson...

  • @josephconnor2310
    @josephconnor2310 2 года назад

    Hope you feel better soon!

  • @pooryorick831
    @pooryorick831 Год назад

    I always really liked the BAE 146. I flew them up and down California many times in the 1980s with PSA. Of all the smaller regional jets it remains my favorite. Now that I'm done gushing about the 146, I guess I should actually watch the video. 🙂

  • @fisalmoon
    @fisalmoon 2 года назад

    Enjoying every second of your videos. I wish i had enough money to patreon U.

  • @PascalSacleux
    @PascalSacleux 2 года назад +2

    Last time I was this early you could still meet your family at the gate.

  • @On-Our-Radar-24News
    @On-Our-Radar-24News 2 года назад

    I'm really enjoying your accident breakdowns. Just a suggestion, if you can include actual photos of the accident, the location, would be helpful and would add a lot to your ass already great production.

  • @EpicJoshua314
    @EpicJoshua314 2 года назад +1

    Runway 28 did not have MSAW installed (Minimum Safe Altitude Warning), while for Runway 14, MSAW was installed after the Alitalia 404 crash in 1990.

  • @ryanpenrod1859
    @ryanpenrod1859 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for making me never want to fly again (not that I ever did, I've only been on a few flights)
    I don't care how much more dangerous driving is, at least when I'm driving:
    1) I am in control of my own vehicle, and
    2) if something goes mechanically wrong, even catastrophically, there is a good chance it's just going to result in a breakdown instead of the terrifying and violent death of everyone on board.

    • @kabira.k1199
      @kabira.k1199 2 года назад

      Woow thats deep

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 2 года назад

      Let me refer you to all the dashcam car wreck channels, you'll be flying in no time! 😳😉

  • @Hannah-ks4mi
    @Hannah-ks4mi 5 месяцев назад

    I hope you understand that there are a lot of us who would love to become patrons for your channel but can't afford it.

  • @hb1338
    @hb1338 2 года назад +6

    Your description of approach procedures is incorrect.
    On a non-precision approach, there is no decision altitude, there is the minimum descent altitude (MDA) and the missed approach point (MAP), the *location* at which the land/abort decision is made. After the final approach fix, the pilot descends to the MDA and flies to the MAP. At the MAP the runway environment (runway, threshold lights, PAPI lights etc) MUST be visible for the pilot to land, otherwise s/he must discontinue the approach.
    The cause of the crash was simple - Captain Lutz was unaware of his location and descended below the MDA when he was more than 4 km from the airport; the MAP on runway 28 at Zurich is about 550 metres from the runway. The fact that he could see the ground was irrelevant because ground visibility is NOT a sufficient condition to land.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 года назад

      Some airlines use a DA with a continuous descent profile on NPAs. It’s safer.

  • @PrimevalDemon
    @PrimevalDemon 2 года назад +1

    The flying into another country is quite scary, considering how quickly scenarios involving unexpected aircraft crossing national boundaries escalate into violent Interactions.

    • @flexairz
      @flexairz 2 года назад

      Not in Europe, unless close to RUS.

  • @artificialash
    @artificialash 2 года назад

    What is the intro music from? Is there a spotify link or something?

  • @N1120A
    @N1120A 2 года назад +2

    While the captain's lack of ADM and questionable skill was a major issue, don't discount the issue of how NIMBYism acted to cause them to switch to a non-precision approach in low ceilings. Also, ILS is actually a slightly older technology than DME, but more accurate

  • @jawavartenuk6770
    @jawavartenuk6770 2 года назад +1

    Love these videos. Excellent format. Now where are those Cheetos?

  • @p4rz1val
    @p4rz1val 2 года назад +1

    Reminds me of Alitalia Flight 404 - another controlled flight into terrain during the approach to Zürich - this time due to a faulty ILS reciever.

    • @Powerranger-le4up
      @Powerranger-le4up 2 года назад +3

      That one could’ve been prevented had the first officer been allowed to do a go around. Unfortunately, the captain didn’t trust him and vetoed it. Now, the training says that if the first officer chooses to go around, they go around.

  • @dominiqueboy666
    @dominiqueboy666 Месяц назад

    Unbelievable negligence, it's surprising that no one responsible was sent to prison, even though 24 people died

  • @robincharles7057
    @robincharles7057 2 года назад

    I'm sorry you weren't feeling well and hope you are feeling better. :) If you need to take a few days off instead of recording when you don't feel well though I hope you do. We will still be here and I'm sure people will understand if you aren't feeling well. Don't want you feeling pressured to get videos out if you are feeling miserable 🤧

  • @Powerranger-le4up
    @Powerranger-le4up 2 года назад +3

    I was not happy when I heard about the captain’s incompetence. He even did what Homer Simpson did in wrecking a plane by retracting the landing gear.

  • @pieseldatches
    @pieseldatches 2 года назад +6

    The fact that the pilot made so many stupid mistakes prior to the accident and wasn't fired makes it baffling.

  • @gman83090
    @gman83090 2 года назад

    When I was at Melbourne airport last night I saw a bae 146 that was converted into a freight plan

  • @greymark420
    @greymark420 2 года назад +2

    What does it take to dismiss a person because of a history of incompetence. I find it extraordinary that someone makes so many mistakes in their career and yet still be responsible for the lives of passengers. So we let this Captain continue because of a shortage of pilots, unbelievable. I consider myself lucky not have flown with such an incompetent airline, engine installed upside down whatever next.

  • @lilg2300
    @lilg2300 2 года назад +1

    I remember the crash because a then popular singer died in it. Her Christmas song which she sang the year of the crash is still played today in the radio each year in Germany. Her song: ruclips.net/video/YiBoWNo6xDs/видео.html

  • @uzaiyaro
    @uzaiyaro 2 года назад

    “Mom left me at Best Buy” lmao. I’m kinda on my arse financially at the moment, but when I am back up on my feet, I might try to come up with some imaginative name for patreon.

  • @aprilfools7900
    @aprilfools7900 2 года назад

    Can you do Charkhi dadri mid air collision

  • @ralphchiwashira4998
    @ralphchiwashira4998 Месяц назад

    4:29 "instrument which displays the plane's performance was installed upside down on the accident plane"!! 😳😳

  • @Nivola1953
    @Nivola1953 2 года назад +2

    I flew few times the so called Jumbolino from and to Zurich. What a tragedy, and how many times have we heard the same 2 stories about poor airmanship? The airline was growing fast, hence training and flying standards were degraded, same story as with Indonesian Adam Air and others. Poor CRM, ha the black beast of pilot errors! Continues to pop up in spite of decades of “preventive actions “, maybe the training used and airlines policies do not check how effective their training is on this issues.