Was This Airport Too Dangerous? (Widerøe Flight 839) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2021
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We have talked about a lot of air accidents on this channel. Occasionally there comes across an incident in aviation which has less to so with the airplane and more to do with the airport where the accident occurred. In 1990 a small Norwegian plane crashed less than two minutes after take-off from a small regional airport killing all on board. The incident was not isolated as the airport had seen another incident which nearly resulted in a crash the previous year. The airport in question was considered to be an extremely challenging airport to pilots and thus was closed in 1990 following this accident. Since the crash of Wideroe flight 839 commercial flights have ceased from this airport. So what happened? Why was this airport so dangerous? (For lack of a better term) And how did it affect the plane?
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Hey can u please do air india 182
I knew the first officer. He checked me solo when I was training for my PPL. RIP. And one of the passengers who disembarked at Værøy became a good friend of mine. Later, she became a pilot. Aviation is a small world.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Personal stories like yours really bring these tragic stories to life. Thanks for sharing. 👍
That’s intense, man. My prayers go out to ya.
RIP
Yes sorry for your loss 😢RIP
"they tried to turn it into a chocolate factory, but had to shut down when it caught fire". Disaster breakdown indeed
Was a real mess with melted chocolate everywhere 😂
Calling it a fire is kind of an understatement, the entire thing burned down and now everything is gone
Mr. Wonka finally had enough with the chocolate industry.
Thats right the terminal brunt down
Did the Norweigian aviation authority investigate the chocolate factory fire? I can see the report criticizing the chocolatiers for operating in unsuitably windy conditions.
I've become hypefixiated on airplanes as my depression has hit me quite hard this month, these videos make me so happy! I got really excited about alot of videos this month. Decided to comment to finally show my support, Thank you for the videos! Keep up the good work.
Edit: Thanks everyone for the nice comments!
Hope you get better man, stay strong 💪 try finding some happy place like a Gym or Library.
Sending a hug. 🤗
Hey, have a good day okay? For all of us :)
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sending you my best wishes. Hope you get better soon!
I feel ya. Been doing the same!
Hope you get better with time.
Fun fact: the Norwegian military flew their bell 412 on training missions to the airport after it closed, they stop by to buy chocolate
Back in 2001 I worked with a colleague that was given tickets to this flight by her employer. She gave the tickets to her family. She still struggled with guilt more than a decade later
I chuckled softly when he said "Twotter" 😁
Me too 😂
I came down here to see if anybody was going to admit to giggling at that!
The 12 year old boy in me that laughs like Bevis and Buthead at, Twatter 😂😂😂😂
Excellent video! As a Norwegian aviation enthusiast, I remember this accident, the investigation and aftermath pretty well, and from memory, I’d say the video is extremely accurate. Very impressive indeed. Another tragic and interesting accident with Widerøe, albeit with a Dash-8, is the Torghatten accident, flight WF710. Also, the Mehamn accident with a Widerøe Twin Otter is particularly interesting, with the investigation re-opened several times during the 3 decades after the accident. According to the official report, the cause of the accident was a failure in the tail section, relatively similar to that of the Måløy accident 8 years later. Highly recommended topics.
Torghatten accident was a Dash-7. I presume it was just a typo and you know this :) But just incase any one else was wondering.
Thanks for correcting me! To be honest, it was a memory slip from my side and not a typo, but either way, I stand corrected!
I like that someone takes on these norwegian plane crashes, as a lot of the crashes have perculiar causes
If i can reccomend other accidents i would also reccomend Torghatten disaster and flight 933
I have a plan to go through more Norwegian incidents soon
HAZE01 is another Norwegian one worth going into. Can tie much of that one back into your Erebus video though.
My dad worked at 330skv on the SeaKing back then, and was called out to that incident back in 1988. Brønnøysund is my birthplace, and I've been to the mountain several times.
I was about to suggest this incident, but you beat me to it.
You have an amazing voice! Perfect for this type of analysis. Perfect cadence and tone! I could listen to you reading the world's encyclopedia...lmao.
Agree 💯%
The captain should've never took off for that second trip
The proximity of steep.terrain to aierodromes and airs airfields is something with which as a PPL holder, affects the small GA aeroplanes I usually fly. I used to fly from Cambridge Airport innTasmania and quite often had to postpone flights owing to the turbulence and Dow draft from nearby hills. Change of wind direction during flights als made landings quite challenging.
Amazing video as always, but what I think I'm most impressed with is your ability to say "Twotter" with a neutral tone 😅
I dunno how he managed to say “Twotter” without laughing, I was cracking up 😆
Great videos! I hope you're happy how your channel is progressing so far
as of 2015, a small operation still existed on the now "airstrip", being frequented (mostly in summers) by extreme sports enthusiasts on Ultralight delta-flyers.. seems to be a hub for them. one part of the former airport (the former factory shop/cafe) became I think an of-site club-room for the Røst Microlighting club
Excellent work as always, and congrats on the growth!
It's good to see this disaster documentary that focuses on the wacky airport designs.
Wacky, as in my life is so sheltered that I know nothing about non-US aircraft? That's not wacky. That's ignorance.
@@princeofcupspoc9073 no wacky as in the airport can be the true danger. But this is the internet and people are triggered by many things.
@@princeofcupspoc9073 you didn't read the comment, try again...
Something that is always impressive to me is your name pronunciations. How much effort do you put into pronoucing names correctly?
He pronounced Nepal to NEPOL
@@abdullah3739 I mean yeah that's how you say it it's not Nepail or something
@@abdullah3739 SHE
He must be doing pretty good you noticed.
@@derrickwalker4423 I think he means that the “a” in “Nepal” should sound more like the “a” in “father,” and not like the “a” in “fall,” “call,” or “pall”-i.e. the vowel should be farther back and unrounded. But we’ll end up down a rabbit hole if we start getting that nitpicky. To your point, it’s not like Anthony pronounced the “-pal” in the name of the country like the _word_ “pal”. 😆
Your work in this field/subject is done very well.
I am norwegian and I love listening to non-norwegian folk try to pronounce norwegian words. You're really good at pronouncing the places in English, even if I still find it funny.
Keep it up man! You are making great videos
Thanks for your great videos! 👌👍
I'm norwegian. It's just too random that I'm this early to this video.
Please do more videos on these more minor accidents! I find them way more interesting
Another fantastic video! 😊
i love to see your channel growing
Excellent accounting of an obscure aviation event. Well done.
Keep up with the good work!
Always wanted to know about this one, thank you
thanks for posting
What a very unusual and interesting video, thank you for the story.
Superb video!
Thanks!
I love your videos a lot
Love the vid!!! xoxo
I love the twin otter. And the videos
Did my skydiving training on the DH Twotter! All solo jumps from day one.
Hi Disaster Breakdown,
Does your Patreon include your videos without the music? This continous piano is driving me nuts.
Didn’t know Harbour air had a flight to here…quite a long trip in a single otter 😝
As a Norwegian I am very impressed by your pronounciations, especially considering these are difficult words with characters unknown to English speakers. Well done.
daily uploads incoming? great video lad :D
I have flown on Twin Otter to St Mary’s on the Isles of Scilly. They also used Islander
good work
I wish you kept calling the plane "Twotter" It caught me off guard and made me laugh. Reminded me of the video you did on the Fokker plane
I like how crused this location is.. Even a choco factory were shut down due to another disaster
"Twotter" had me cackling sounds like a pom insult
A trailing wind to an airplane can be as bad as a trailing sea to a boat.
Has their ever been a plane incident where the carry-on was too heavy causing problems on a flight?
Air Midwest 5481 is close
The was also a faulty repair problem on 5481 but both the baggage and passenger weights were over even though the pilots used current tables. They really got screwed.
I have flown along Lofoten in a Lynx helicopter in perfect weather. It's stunning.
5:27 I'm sorry they call it the what
Thank you. I know I wasn't the only one that 😳 at that. LOL!
Something that popped into my head when I heard that was a Jeopardy style response... "What is an insult hurled at Twitter users?" among other things.
Some airports are captains only for a reason and some airports get closed for a reason
So was it the weather or the degraded structure of the Twotter ? This is similar to your Air Thaiti otter that went lost its elevator cable and crashed making a short hop.
C'mon, Traigh Mhor (Barra Airport seen in the intro) can't be that difficult! But, as a native, I can avow it can scare the Bejesus out of first time passengers when landing :-). But I always loved being flown in the Twin Otter on the Barra routes. A proper flying experience which beats the hell out wee 1-3 hour hops on jets. And thanks hugely for all the films.
I can't think of too many incidents where it's concluded that the airport itself is the problem (or at least a very significant factor). There are many famously dangerous airports, many of which have had fatal incidents as well, but the danger is known and there is at least a window in which safe takeoffs and landings are possible. This is clearly an exception to that.
This airport isn’t even on the top dangerous airports. Kathmandu is a challenging one
... You were listening, yes? It's got winds powerful enough to rip a Twotter apart.
@@ToreDL87 woo powerful winds probally just can shoot an ILS while Kathmandu you have to keep adjusting your instruments and I don’t think you really how many crashes there have been
well, this one was so dangerous that they closed it XD
NORWEAGIAN HERE
I don't ENVY anyone who needed to land or take off at that airport!
I wonder if this airport is available in msfs. Looks interesting
Sticky ending for the airport terminal .
Flown many times with this airline ✌️💚🤍
Bonus vid!!!
Very solid video. Was interesting to see you do something a little different. Would love to see a long-form (2-hour) video that you charge to watch. Maybe a really controversial accident with a lot of divisive evidence or air cover up?
The “Twotter”🥴 😂
"Twot" for short. I like riding on Twots!
This sounds like a more extreme version of Madeira.
How's a Twin Otter takeoff from, of all places, Vaeroy in 57kt winds? If it's anything but a headwind I don't see how it's possible. If it's a crosswind they're gonna lose directional (yaw) control...a tailwind they might run outta runway. 🤔
A plane crash and then a chocolate factory burned up. That piece of land is cursed or something. On a side note, does anybody know why the lines at some airports are yellow and others at are white?
Here in Norway it's standard for the lines to be yellow. Snow is the reason, and that's it. Easier to see and distinguish the lines from the snow.
It's a STOL aircraft?.. That's just too close to stall. Bad ju ju.
awesome awesome awesome youre so awesome
please fix the closed captions so they match with what you say. in places words are omitted
Limits are given for a reason. I fault the tower for not grounding the plane and giving them the winds, and to the pilots for not double checking the wind directions again given how marginal conditions were. I don't know about the airport. Doesn't look like they had many other options on where to put it.
Haha if the chocolate factory hadn't closed, I'D fly into it! :) I believe if the limits had been adhered to, the airport would still be open today.
The Airport was last used 02.11.2022 by the USAF
A bad place to build an airport, but it seems an even stranger place to put a chocolate factory.
lol right? Next disaster will be the sinking of the chocolate ferry
Can you do Iraqi Airlines Flight 163
It's called a what!?
so this airport was not just dangerous but also cancelled several flights? ok why did they even build it? I have no clue why they would risk people's lives and planes for landing on this island at a place like this. too many risks there, you know what I mean? also I'm trying to calculate the numbers involved(wind load) and right now I'm trying to figure out wind density, I have used the average C and average dew point in F but having a bit of trouble with altimeter setting, not sure what I should use for this particular incident. any values?
4:23 I heard pirates instead of pilots
The code for the airport is ENVY XDXDXD
can you please do flight 173
Are you Norwegian? You pronounce those names and places too well to not be of Scandinavian descent. Excellent video as usual! I look forward to every upload. Cheers from New Orleans Louisiana.
I'm not Norwegian, I live across the water from there in Northumberland, UK.
@@DisasterBreakdown Will you do a video on the LaMia Flight 2933?
its obviously difficult for you yanks to recognize & appreciate a true English accent considering you lot don't have a language of your own & you completely abuse & disrespect the real English language ..
@@wayneandrews9298 why dont you go away with that bigotry and hate. I am French for crying out loud. English was not my first language.
@@scottcol23 why are you even replying !!! you can clearly see that i thought you were an American .. they think its ok to abuse other peoples languages because they don't have one of their own .. Spanish too " LOS VEGAS " one example .. it has nothing to do with bigotry & hate , what you talking about , don't get so uptight , froggy ..
i guess its to be expected though considering your French . .. au revoir ..
The ICAO in this airport represents the word ENVY
For reference-Im an American,& dont know what kilometers equate to in miles,feet,etc
If glad you knew how to pronounce that Norwegian island, because I wouldn’t even know where to start.😆
Accidents are never due to a single thing wrong with the airport, or a single mistake by the crew, or a single part failing (apart maybe from the MAX fiasco, and even then multiple people had to sign off on the system).
I would say that a boat delivery would be better than that insane airport but the North Sea isn’t much better 😵💫
There is a daily car-ferry to that island.
No Widerøe didn’t cease operations
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The Chinese would simply have blasted the damn mountain to dust.
Do video about new orleans plane crash good video have good day 👍 😊
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the islands name is ironic
No, not really. It`s not "vær" as in "weather", it`s "vær"as in "fiskevær/fishingtown"
Yeah in this case the name means somewhere people live/exist.
Twotter?🧐
Unfortunate name.
Are you a pilot?
Værøy translated weather island
That translation is too literal and doesn’t take into consideration the other meaning of “vær” that’s mostly used in villages that make a living out of fishing, think of the Norwegian word Fiskevær ( i.e. fishing-vær)
The original name of the island is therefore most likely meant as a description of what the inhabitants do for a living: the hunting/fishing island or the island where people make a living trapping and hunting fish (and other sea creatures.) All of these little villages and places in northern Norway have vær in their name.
@@ladythalia227 Skreiv nettopp det samme til en litt over her. ;)
My girlfriend gets a bit of Twotter STOL every now and then.
Aw, c'mon - instead of closing the airport, they just needed to write on the runway (in GREAT BIG letters)... "STOL at your own risk". 😏
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4:35 Not quite. Instead of "The airport only saw few operations by Widerøe, of which a significant number of flights were cancelled due to unfavourable wind conditions" it should be "The airport only saw few operations by Widerøe, a significant number of which were cancelled due to unfavourable wind conditions."
i found the prescriptivist
Both of those sentences are grammatically correct, and mean precisely the same thing. Not sure why you think the distinction is important.
1960's plane...no wonder the tail failed because of the breeze.
LN-BNS was built in 1977.
@@ptilrem Not modern. Bad design if the tail falls off in a breeze. It was built by the same company that created the De Havilland Comet....not good
This is such a dumb comment. People should just not be spewing opinions on the internet about things they are ignorant about. There are still DC-3's build in the 40's flying around without problems. The havilland Comet's failures where because it was the first commercial pressurised aircraft. The cyclic loads this brought about where unknown about at the time. The crashes would have happened to the first pressurised jets no matter who produced them. After the crashes the plane was modified with round windows, and the Comet's flew fine after that.
The Twin Otter is a very popular plane with a design good enough to remain in production to this day. De havilland also produced universally loved planes like the Mosquito, Vampire, and Tiger Moth.
Oh yes, and modern planes never crash right? I would suggest looking at the wikipedia list of fatal crashes, and see how many of the aircraft where build in the last 2 decades.
The moral of this story aligns with most disasters, dont ever get on those small planes. You are safe on commercial jets but those lil puddle jumpers have killed so many people over the years. Imagine all the celebrities, athletes, musicians etc that have died in plane crashes....every single was was a small plane like this.
As long as weather is moderate, they are just as safe as the big planes. But of course someone always comes along to blame the victims. "Shouldn't a got aboard!" Brilliant.
Princeofcups Poc - Who's blaming the victims? All he's saying is it takes just one little puff of wind to INSTANTLY send these things into the deck, vertically - at 500mph. And as a Northern European, we don't get much moderate weather for 8 months a year.
The problem is, what do you then do with transportation in remote areas such as this island? Public still needs to have a connection with more developed areas, possibilities for car travel or ships are either limiting or outright impossible, and sending large jets and building appropriate infrastrucure and providing adecuate service to said jets is just a huge waste of money, taking the nature of operations into consideration. Helicopters and small planes such as Twin Otter is an optimal choice for remote routes, and they, as every other types of transport, have their limitaions. Small planes are in no way “very dangerous”, but accidents almost always happen because of pilot error or improper weather conditions, but you can still negate the latter (delay the flight, return to departure airport, fly around the problematic area etc.)
@@princeofcupspoc9073 How exactly did I blame the victims? Its like you read a different comment then decide to put your reply on mine instead.
The twin otter is a fine plane but like every other plane it has its limits. The pilots went over those limits which is what caused the structure to fail. It's a good plane and many remote locations do not have enough traffic or a long enough runway to allow for commercial airline traffic. Also, 57 knots is by no means "one little puff of wind".
I've often thought that air strips in "challenging environments" should be phased out in the interests of safety. You want to live in the middle of nowhere? Fine, knock yourself out, just don't expect pilots to casually risk their lives (let's not forget passengers as well) to supply you.
"No, it's not that, this remote area is a tourist magnet, we need an air strip to land them". No you don't, if tourists are that desperate they can get a boat/car/train/ to your little paradise. They won't want to spend so much time getting to your paradise? Can't be that good then.
I suspect technology will eventually take landing a plane out of the pilots hands, in which case the debate becomes academic. Meanwhile, let's just make it as painless and safe as possible.
Another ban everything'er.
People choose how they wanna go where they wanna go.
Can't handle it? Well, not your life.
Your livelihood at stake? Well, not my problem, can't be that good then, can't this can't that.
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Kind of hard to drive a car or ride a train to an island.
@@troodon1096Goteeeeeem!
This is how it was:
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A passenger plane just crashed in texas
It never even left the ground, at least everyone is fine.
I’m on an airplane right now. Why am I watching this? I paid 8.00$ for internet to scare myself.