Meters From A Devastating Collision - DISASTER AVERTED
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2021
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A near miss between two large passenger planes in Japan was mere meters from a devastating collision. How did a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 and Douglas DC10 end up in the same spot in the sky at the same time?
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15:37 I've been waiting for this video since the beginning of this channel!
@@yagoalmeida7004 I'm going to start making that video soon. Might take two to three weeks before it's out. Thanks.
@@DisasterBreakdown Thank you so much! Every Saturday I'll check the notifications.
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When you on 39000 ft see that your phone has detected a new wireless network....
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An oldie, but a goodie .
Underrated comment
This should have more likes
i couldn’t begin to imagine the roar of the DC-10s engines just 10 metres above your head at 40,000 feet jeez
sit in the back of a DC-10 and you'll find out
sit in the back of a DC-10 and you'll find out
*100m+
It s a lot of noise and a shocking sight out of passenger Windows.
If they haven’t already, they should have TCAS transmit to the controller to show “I alerted this plane and told it to ascend” to prevent confusion.
Nowadays pilots have to inform the tower that they received a TCAS alert which they follow.
True.
Hey Genius, the pilot can do that and the pilot does do that.
@@nickv4073
Hey genius, you just watched a video where the pilot DIDN’T do that. NEITHER pilot did that! “If the computer can do it for you, the computer should be the one doing it.” Because computers don’t forget in the heat of the moment.
Wait, why is this not a thing!? We can land on the moon, I think we can figure out how a plane can send a text message to the controller
Had the two planes collided, Japan Airlines would have been the title holder for deadliest single-plane crash in aviation history *and* deadliest plane accident in aviation history. I personally think that after such an event the airline would have shut down.
Yeah
That's true. JAL Flight 123 still holds the most deadly single-plane crash to this day.
@@eucliduschaumeau8813 which is kinda sad because from what i remember, a Boeing engineer fixed the tail
Probably something similar to what happened to Malaysian Airlines would happen to JAL
But isn't Japan Airlines , Japan's national carrier ?? They would get bailed out immediately , wouldn't they ?
"I certainly hope this little incident hasn't put you off flying. Statistically speaking, of course, it's still the safest way to travel." - Superman
Outstanding coverage as usual. It's easy to say that the pilots clearly should have followed TCAS, and as you stated - if the controller did nothing, the problem would resolve itself. It's incredible to think how close it was when each pilot was following a different set of instructions despite TCAS being developed to avert that very situation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Let’s not forget that this was over a year before the German crash that firmly instituted the rules that TCAS takes precedence. At this time the area between TCAS and ATC was still grey. With many still viewing ATC as the ultimate authority.
I believe an identical incident occurred with a Russian and an American plane. The Americans were trained to follow TCAS over ATC and the the Russians were trained to follow ATC
@@anonymousarmadillo6589 You talking about Uberlingen?
@@anonymousarmadillo6589 Only this time they weren't so much lucky
Both plane crash and no survivors
This is interesting because I watched a documentary on the 2002 Überlingen mid-air collision a while back & the Japan Airlines mid-air incident was mentioned because it occurred exactly a year and a half before the Überlingen disaster. Had the two Japan Airlines aircraft collided it would’ve been the worst aviation accident in recorded history but it also should’ve served as a grim reality of how international airline pilots were ambiguous to the TCAS system & relied more on ATC than their own systems. Idk just an interesting thing to note.
Not sure how that's a grim reality. Blindly following a new system over what they've been trained to do isn't something strange. As others points out, the precedence of the TCAS wasn't implemented through the industry.
IIRC, Russian aviation rules dictated that ATC had priority over TCAS. Essentially, even though TCAS gave instructions for both planes, the Russian plane was given directions that conflicted with that of TCAS, resulting in the collision.
Japanese culture has this drawback - follow your leader, not your logic.
Prison time? Wow, they don't play around!
Seem a little harsh
@@LunaticTheCat not harsh enough according to reddit standards
@@gerrard1144 Reddit attracts a lot of insane people, so I'm not suprised.
@@LunaticTheCat after jal 123 they have been real serious
It's chilling how this almost collision is so similar with the Überlingen mid-air collision in the matter of how both flight crews acted with the TCAS warning (and ATC intervention as well) D:
If ICAO had taken this incidents report more seriously and issued a warning internationally incase if the TCAS and ATCs order conflicted each other, the Überlingen mid-air collision may have been avoided. Sadly it did not happen, and many people had to pay the price with blood.
Years ago I was on a flight with my husband and 3 small children and we suddenly saw another jet fly past us close enough that several people gasped and we were frozen with fear. The captain never said a word😯
In the early 80's I was on a 747 which crossed the path of another so closely I could (very briefly) see the alarmed faces of it's passengers. As in your case, not a word was said - nothing about the resultant turbulence either. Last time I ever flew though, blood turns to ice just thinking about it.
That is so horrifying! specially knowing my kids are in the plane with me😭
“What is the minimum lateral separation between aircraft?
60 miles
Source FAA
@@richardcranium3417 yeah, I don't think that rule has been followed by any crew or controller 🤣 just look at flightradar24 or flightaware, you'll know what I mean
The way the air controller communicated with the planes is what it feels like to communicate with people in a group project
These always amaze me, the old phrase “what are the odds?” comes to mind. In theory the chances of any aircraft suffering a mid air collision outside of a near approach area of an airport should be immeasurably small. Yet they still happen. Going back to that famous Grand Canyon crash. There was also that horrifying 1996 mid air collision in India of a Saudi Arabian 747 and a Kazakhstan Airlines crazy passenger version IL-76 near Delhi. If I remember correctly that one was witnessed by a US Military transport flight heading for Delhi. They described the fireballs falling from the sky.
Well, commercial flights don't typically meander as they please. They follow airways, which puts them in closer proximity than they might otherwise be (although it helps with safety in other ways, as well as helping with a lot of non-safety related issues).
flying is the safest way to travel like nuclear is the safest form of power - they are safe only because there is a potential for devastating disaster, so we put robust rules and systems in place to prevent them.
This channel is a gold mine, deserves more subscribers!
Thank you for your kind comment
Wow the tenerife disaster still holding the highest death count, and it's almost 50 years ago.
Thanks for your videos! I like your format, tone and the bgm used. Content is simple to understand too!
Thank goodness for progress and technology. As we all know, regulations are written in blood.
@@thomasdaniels6824, you mean we have some cabal of devil worshippers writing them?
This and some mid air collisions have cemented in my mind the phrase "ALWAYS FOLLOW TCAS"
I don’t even fly and I always follow TCAS instructions.
Amazing this type of incident happened more than once back in the day. Fortunately, TCAS II along with updated procedures/training have all but eliminated the chance of it happening again. Fly safe!
Did TCAS II add a "Ignore ATC" message after the "Climb" and "Descend" messages?
@@Taladar2003 No, but training changed. There was nothing that said at the time that blindly following the TCAS was always the correct decision.
14:50 the assumption that mid air collisions are more likely at night is wrong.
I don't have the exact number but something like 90 or 95% of all midair collisions (usually with small GA aircraft) happen during the day. It is so much easier to spot an aircraft during the night due to the lights. You simply don't see the lights of an aircraft during the day unless you have already spotted the aircraft.
Otherwise very good coverage. Coverage of this incident is rare on the internet.
you don't see the lights during the day but you sure as hell are able to see a big ass aircraft
I think most happen during the day because 90-95% of GA flights happen during the day. Having lights at night is no help when they blend in to the cosmos of lights shining up from a city.
@@caracasmihai01 you would see the lights at night way before the actual plane, so the stats don't suprise me.
@@caracasmihai01 false
@@caracasmihai01 I'm not so sure about that, you and the other plane are going so fast that a dull looking object can be hard to see until the very last second by when it's too late
i love the disaster averted videos. keeps my mental levels up
Sounds like a copy-paste of the Überlingen mid-air collision. They had the same conflict between TCAS and Controller
How could it be copy-paste when Überlingen didn’t even happen yet in 2001?
Standardbenutzer X - That's a bit pedantic mate, we both knew what he was saying.
This is very similar to how DHL 611 and Bashkirian flight 2937 collided over southern Germany
Awesome video as always. I'm surprised though you didn't mention the 1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision, the deadliest mid-air collision ever. Will you be covering this incident in a future video?
He didn’t mention it as it had a different cause, when it happened TCAS wasn’t introduced yet
TCAS was introduced in 1981, way before the 1996 mid air Collison
@@missykeatings9114but it wasn't in use at the time in India, and as a result, India became the second country in the world to mandate TCAS, after the US
Can you do a 1976 Zagreb mid-air collision? That one was nasty.
My Dad flew the Trident for BEA/British Airways and one of the First Officers killed in the accident was a course mate of his.
The flights of the trainees. Everything had a trainee in use
Have you seen the trans air cargo plane that ditched in the water? It was in Hawaii the pilot survived the 737-200
I've seen we would like to see video on it
A transponder (aka IFF or Identification Friend or Foe) has been around for almost as long as Radar. The transponder (TCAS) signal broadcasts the the plane's ID, altitude and heading. This is so air traffic control knows who is out there. Other planes receive this signal and calculate if the plane is on a collision course. 9:31 the signal is "not interrupted" to generate an alert but is based on this calculation.
Always nice to see the occasional disaster averted. Another great video!
Yep, it gives you hope
YES. IVE BEEN WAITING FOR HOURS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Thank you so much for watching
@@DisasterBreakdown no problem. i love the videos and im always waiting to sauterday.
I look forward to Saturday’s like never before ever since finding this channel! On a side note..I wonder how long it took for the passengers of the DC-10 to realize just how close they were to disaster.
Well if you were looking out the window you'd freak right out, but if you weren't, you'd only find out because of all the commotion on the part of the people who saw
Nicely done. I was thinking you were talking about the attempt by Air Canada 759 to land on a SFO taxiway full of airliners.
If i remember well the "safer than rail" statistic is because they also count people on the track getting run over by the train, which are not travelling by train so i really don't know why they do that.
And you can just not trespass on a railway and most deaths by being hut by a train are suicides
@@grassytramtracks idk where you live but here (italy) it's almost always either due to people crossing at the wrong time at stations or rail crossings or people using rail lines as shortcuts through heavly forested areas. Another thing that makes a lot of people lose their legs (but rarely their life) is waiting for the train sitting on the edge of the platform with their feet on the rails, sometimes even watching their phone or listening to music. Know a lot of people who do all of these things (so far without injury).
Thank you for these videos, it give me a lot of information! I intend to be a pilot, so, i will follow the correct ways to make a safe flight!
Good luck!
Chloe. I have been watching aviation videos on RUclips for years now, whether it be aircraft or travel related and am reasonably familiar with most of the people or groups that produce the. I myself have started to travel quite a bit recently and have even considered joining the fray. Anyways, I just wanted to say that I sincerely appreciate you, your story, your journey and the work that you do and provide so that all of us can benefit from it. Thanks and keep em’ coming. Michael in Hamilton Ontario Canada
Ahhh my favourite part of the weekend! Just recently passed this channel on to a friend and now they’re hooked too!
Another great video from you. I commend you for the work you put into these videos, they’re so interesting!
Love your videos! I’m so glad that you’re getting the subscribers you deserve :) I remember this was the disaster that got me hooked on aviation, I’m so glad that you’re covering it!
Welcome to the world of aviation addiction! 😂
Bro I’ve been here for 5 1/2 years, it’s been quite a while since I entered. 😂
The fact that the uberlingen mid air collision still happened sfter this incident is astonishing
or amazon crash
@@dontspikemydrink9382the crash in the Amazon was caused by TCAS being involuntarily turned off, presumably by accidentally bumping against the switch (which is bad design on the part of the designers when TCAS is such a safety critical system
Another beautifully crafted video! Anthony, your voice is mesmerizing, minimizing my anxiety as I watch your presentation of terrifying incidents.
It is so odd that to me the DC 10 looks newer than most wide bodies today as the 3rd engine gives it a futurisitic look. At least from afar.
I love your videos! I really enjoy them and they are great quality! I wanted to suggest a Disaster Averted that I heard about a while ago due to a company insider but never saw any news coverage. Apparently a few years ago there was a UPS 747 enroute to China over the Pacific when the crewmember flying (I don’t remember which he said it was) began having a grand mal seizure. The crewmember got his foot stuck in the rudder pedals and made the plane uncontrollable. Before they crashed, the disaster was averted by a jumpseater (who was former military) who pulled the crewmember out of the seat with just brute strength breaking the crewmembers back in the process but saving the plane and its crew. They were able to regain control of the plane and land without incident and get medical assistance. I honestly loved this story because of the heroic jumpseater and think it would be a good incident to look at for your channel, though finding information will be challenging.
This is such a great channel! Thanks for the videos! 👍
Very interesting video as usual :) I like your "new" video realisation style! Keep up the good work.
Greetings from Germany
Marshall University in the state of West Virginia lost most of its football team and coaching staff in a 1970 plane crash. Would be an interesting video subject.
Amazing video mate!!! Your vids make my day!
Love your new logo. Great upload,as always. Thank you x
Thank you! Cheers!
Another great video. This one is alarming. Enjoy the videos, take care and have a great day. 👍🙂
Excellent video as always!
Very informative, and I did not know about this incident prior to watching this video.
i was super impressed that you wrote the pilot's name in kanji. way to be respectful to someone else's culture.
This video is excellent. I think I’m hooked on this channel now. Oh well. Binge watching the rest
I recall that the D variant of B747-400 (hence -446D and -481D) had the wingspan equaling to -100, -200 and -300. On some of the -481D, brakes on the main landing gears had electric cooling fans fitted.
Airline pilots have told me they like flying at night because, if there are no clouds, traffic is very easy to see. Think about seeing the flashing beacons and nav lights at night vs. picking out the shape and color of a plane against the ground, or even the sky, during the day. While riding jumpseat as a dispatcher, I found it easy to pick out the traffic at night, though it was nearly impossible for me to guess how far away they were. But then the midair over Germany was at night...
Thanks
PLEASE include links to other videos in the description IF you mentioned them during the video!
Anyhow, I'll go search now xD
"Why si there two Wifi networks now?"
*Engine roar gets louder*
"oh"
could listen to your plane disaster/averted videos all day!
Thank you so much
@Bodbby That’s exactly what I did when I found this channel - binged everything he had already uploaded! Now I excitedly wait week to week. 😄
@@kristita_888 she, but you might not have not know at the time. she is chloe
Paintwork to spare! Close shave is an understatement for this one.
the drastic action of the 747 pilot is much appreciated, 100 injuries and jail time for a young ATC controller to signify a near miss mid air collision is by far preferred than doing nothing and suffering the worst aviation disaster OR letting a deadly mistake silently slid by.
I hadn’t heard about this near miss before. Japan Airlines could have gotten several bad records if it had happened. (Worse mid/air collision, worse multi plane accident taking that from Tenerife).
TCAS is an incredibly important piece of technology in aviation but can only operate effectively if pilots accept and act on the instructions given. I can only imagine what the ATC controllers would have felt had this event ended in disaster. Great video, well explained and beautifully constructed 👏👏👏
And a year and a half later, on 1 July 2002, ignoring TCAS led to tragedy over Überlingen in southern Germany. If only they took this as a cautionary tale then TCAS being the absolute authority would have already been clearly established and the Überlingen collision would never have happened
Considering the near statistical impossibility of a mid air collision, its genuinely mind boggling that we have had 3 major incidents already.
I cannot wait for the video on Gol Airlines 1907. That's the most interesting disaster to me and I've always wanted to know more of the details surrounding it.
You unknowingly opened my eyes to the trans community Chloe. I’ve never encountered nor spoken to anyone in it and I couldn’t be luckier to have the first interaction be you teaching me about very interesting and informative topics. Cheers all the best Chloe ❤
Love the content
@00:30 Actually, I once did a tally on all of the crashes since the beginning of time - and my naive summation essentially said that while your chance of _being in an accident_ is laughably low - if you _are_ in an accident, the chances of the crash being a total loss of life is something like 75% or so. Put simply: your chances of falling out of the sky are _extremely remote,_ but if you do - you're probably not surviving the event. ;)
I think Jail for the ATC workers is very extreme. If the 747 Pilot had been trained properly to adhere to the TCAS commands then nobody would have been injured.
A rarely featured event thank you!
So now I have to watch the LEMMINO video again about MH370, because the music reminded me of that video.
Great vid tho.
Well done.
very awesome video 👍
Thank you 👍
Wasn't the latest the -30 but northwest wanted theirs to be called -40 so Douglas renamed the -20 the -40, the JTD motor was inferior to the CF6 and the -40 was more inefficient and had a poor climb rate, compressor stalls on engine 2 when retarding the throttle, the only reason they were made was for parts commonality with the 747.
Are ATC transcripts / recordings available for this somewhere? It seems no one was communicating. Sure they were spouting positions and directives but were they communicating? Also I find it incredible that the ATC spent Jail time for a non incident incident.
As for the single most deadly event..
In 2017 an airliner almost landed on the taxiway on the San Francisco airport. Early July i think.
Had he done so he would have smashed maybe 3-4 airliners. That would have been a large number of fatalities. Easily over 1000.
He pulled up just meters before impact..
Grace video thank you
Ever thought about doing the 1960 mid-air collision over Brooklyn, NY?
Using fatalities/passenger mile may not be the only way to measure risk. How would the stats look if the unit of measure was fatalities per movement?
Have you researched the case of the near miss over Southern England that used TCAS to avoid the collision although as you state the controller nearly caused the crash by giving conflicting instructions to the pilots
Is there any scientific research into the nature of fatal injuries in plane crashes? What is the cause of death for most victims? Broken neck, head injuries, soft tissue trauma?
Already knew this near crash, but still enjoyed watching it. Your videos are always highly underrated!
Who is rating these videos?
@@Redridge07 no, underrated as in not enough people watching them considering their effort and quality
@@eliasbiditza So not underrated, but under subscribed
@@Redridge07 viewed too less and to few subscribers, that’s what underrated means in this context
@@Redridge07 that is mincing words
New prof pic this Saturday, Nice.
And even Tenerife had survivors.
I'm fascinated by people who refuse to fly because they're afraid of dying in a crash, because you're way more likely to die if you drive where you're going.
Oh my 💔
NEVER EVER choose the controller's instructions over TCAS!!!
That was a change that was only made after the Überlingen collision
Hey, nice ride you got there
Everyone else in the ATC:
I think I accidentally stumbled across my new favourite channel
THAT'S the kinda stats I want at the start of these vids! :)
Damn, JAL trying their best to break all the records 💀
Ayoo
00:08 yeah ofc👍🏼
Why did the DC 10 pilot not respond to the controller? Did the investigation look into this? It seems to me that their behaviour caused the situation to escalate
"In a move that would cost him his job..." well, at least it didn't cost him his life, as well as all those on board the two aircraft, as happened the other time a controller contradicted TCAS... :/
It's amazing to me that aircraft ever collide. Just a tiny fraction of a second difference in the maneuver of one plane or the other would cause a miss instead of a collision. These two planes were changing altitude in the same direction but at different speeds and times of execution of the descent. So many variables have to be just right for a collision (or even a near miss) to occur. A hundredth of a second difference when one of the plane's pilots started their descent can make the all the difference. Then there is the rate of the descent and the individual speeds of the two aircraft that have to be just right for a collision to occur. It seems that the odds of a collision happening would be some astronomical number against. Yet it does happen, as do near misses like this.
Same as bashkarian airways disaster. Always follow tcas
climb......climb now. Climb......climb now. Climb......climb now.
That poor trainee ATC, he must have been mortified! 😮
How the death machine almost caused the deadliest crash
a)they were two different companies, therefore two different models and b)might have been some form of communication error, whether it be human, machine, or both
TCAS is standardized, so the different manufacturers had nothing to with that, the incident was initiated by ATC who brought the aircraft closer together and later even confused their call signs
@@spongebubatz ok probably should have also brought up I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area.
The craziest thing to me anyway about this near crash, was this happened on my exact birth day. Meaning the worst air crash to ever happen could have been when i was born which is unsettling to me
Why don't pilots radio in to ATC to advise of the TCAS orders? Whilst at the same time executing the tcas maneuver?
That’s how it’s done nowadays, back then TCAS was still rather new and you were supposed to follow ATC first. Nowadays, after the Überlingen collision, you first have to follow TCAS and then inform ATC