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  • @hardcoretam
    @hardcoretam 3 года назад +10

    An upgraded intercooler is a very under rated mod on a lot of cars.
    On my Fabia vRS 1.9TDi with the standard intercooler it was plastic and also a "side mount".
    On cool days, and when stock it was okay driving normal. But on hot days, if you were ragging it, the intake temps would get really high quite quickly and you lost a lot of power through heat soak.
    Now it has hard pipes and a single pass slim, but tall FMIC and even with a remap, the intake temps are about 40C cooler when giving it some welly.
    Just don't go too overboard with the intercooler capacity on small turbo cars, or you'll notice it feeling a bit laggy as it takes longer to pressurise.

  • @Mooch-vq5kr
    @Mooch-vq5kr 4 года назад +3

    I have a front room full of parts for my 19 MK7 im getting ready to tear into. 21k miles and its about go time. APR Cold air intake plus filter setup, Mishmoto intercooler, DV valve, APR downpipe and full APR exhaust. APR stage 2+ tune. enjoy what this setup gives me for the summer, then its fuel and bigger turbo time. shooting for 500-525 wheel with the new turbo setup. Enjoying the videos man, keep up the good work!

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      Mooches Mayhem oh Nicee, from stock to tuned it’s a whole other car. thanks for watching!!

    • @gysi_4566
      @gysi_4566 4 года назад +3

      Mooches Mayhem If you’re aiming for 500-525 good luck because the gti engine isn’t as built as the golf R engine so the safe limit for a gti would be around 400-450 hp/tq. You would also need to upgrade your HPFP cause your fuel rail pressure drastically decreases when pushing over 350hp and you would probably also need to upgrade your LPFP. You can get a built block from IE for around 5k if you really want to run that 500 safely. That’s primarily the reason I’m staying at around 400hp when I get my turbo

    • @TheArizonaAssasin
      @TheArizonaAssasin Год назад +1

      How did you get an APR stage 2 tune on a 2019? APR stopped offering stage 2 tunes- I’m stage 1 HT in my 19 R but I’m going to have to switch to IE in a few months when I go stage 2 because APR doesn’t have anything past stage 1 for that car.

    • @Mooch-vq5kr
      @Mooch-vq5kr Год назад +2

      @@TheArizonaAssasin my comment was 2 years ago, still when apr had downpipes and more tunes. hit up EQT for all tuning for these cars. what i ended up going with. made 327hp and 435trq. I have dyno videos and print outs.

    • @Mooch-vq5kr
      @Mooch-vq5kr Год назад

      @@gysi_4566 lol this comment didnt age well. gti or rs are safe to around 550hp and limit trq to 400-450 been this way for years. HPFP e85 xl or standard eqt turbo and you can see those numbers without building the block. GTI and R are same engines. R has some better oil passages and other small things, but sadly your information is WAY off.

  • @sheldonm3535
    @sheldonm3535 4 года назад +3

    The CTS looks great on our cars. Your car mods are similar to mine. I do have the performance package. I’m on Bc coils with swift springs. KW DCC delete. Also have every single small add on like turbo pipe, turbo elbow etc. front mount will be next for me.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      Michael Broski you will like it with the front mount

  • @birminghamblueheat4986
    @birminghamblueheat4986 Год назад +1

    Excellent vid.. I have the Neuspeed fmic.. Can definitely tell a world of difference, especially on warm days. I actually installed the intercooler before getting an aftermarket downpipe or cold air intake. I believe that my intercooler is my best hardware mod in terms of performance.

  • @viiv09pentium
    @viiv09pentium 4 года назад +16

    See if you can log charge air temperature, that would be after the intercooler. That is just reading air going into the intake. Other than that, awesome car, love it!

    • @a7xogg
      @a7xogg 4 года назад +3

      These cars don't have any sensor before the turbo, the iat sensor is in the intake manifold. No maf sensor or nothing on the intake

    • @alkevinzmedia
      @alkevinzmedia 3 года назад

      You can buy a temperature gun and measure it via some cable sensors

  • @OvercomeSKILLZ
    @OvercomeSKILLZ 4 года назад +6

    Awesome video as always bro, keep it coming...i love the content.

  • @MegaHollywood1971
    @MegaHollywood1971 4 года назад +6

    Just be mindful of applying "higher load" in lower RPMs. Doing that applies more stress on the engine. Be in the appropriate gear/RPM when you apply load and you will last much much longer. Perhaps you already know this, but many really don't. In addition, monitor the IAT2 - which would be on the COLD side (which others have already mentioned).

  • @jimbrown5605
    @jimbrown5605 3 месяца назад

    At 113⁰F intake temps mk7 reduce power for engine safety. Fmic basically ensures temps never get there. Highest ive seen WOT was like 110 and dropping under throttle. Outside was 90+⁰ great upgrade even on stock cars if you live in hot places.

  • @tjwhibbs553
    @tjwhibbs553 4 года назад +2

    Lol this is legit the same car as mine. White gti cobb drop in with cts turbo downpipe (+catback). Oil temps were running 108C all the way up to the cottage so pondering an intercooler

    • @MosPhed
      @MosPhed 4 года назад +3

      Intercooler isn’t going to lower oil temps. It lowers the intake air temperature. You’ll need an oil cooler to do what you’re describing.

  • @TheMlvswoll
    @TheMlvswoll 4 года назад +2

    I also have a mk7.5 in white. I have an intake and I’m about to go stage2. Waiting on my fmic to come in as we speak. I am in Louisiana so the summer heat is a bitch. Did you experience any negative affects with the AC on your car by adding an fmic? I couldn’t get a definitive answer from anyone but I was hoping to add the fmic for an easier install and better cooling, just didn’t want to diminish how the AC works inside the car. There was speculation that adding the fmic as another price in front of the AC condenser could diminish the performance of the HVAC in the car. Just curious if you noticed any change or issues post install with yours.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      Mike Vignes my ac still blows cold and I’m in a warm state as well. You won’t get max hp with the ac on though

  • @gallllllydddd
    @gallllllydddd 2 года назад +11

    I can’t help but think you sound like trump sometimes on this video 🤣

    • @mkviis
      @mkviis Год назад

      So true, young trump

  • @xXc-oz1ez
    @xXc-oz1ez 3 года назад +2

    you got me to buy a gti i love your channel

  • @diegojaral3256
    @diegojaral3256 Год назад

    I just got a Jetta Gli 2.0t what do I really need for stage 2? By the way your car looks clean 🔥

  • @626deathwish
    @626deathwish 3 года назад +2

    Yo jewels idk if you mentioned it but just wondering if you upgraded the intercooler pipes as well or kept the stock ones? Or did cts provide pipes with the cooler

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +1

      the cts kit comes with its own pipes that route itself to the front of the car. charge pipes however are stock.

  • @pluskii5229
    @pluskii5229 4 года назад +6

    I only have a 3 in downpipe and a bov bc i wanted to hear turdo noises. But this seemed like the next best thing to upgrade

    • @pluskii5229
      @pluskii5229 4 года назад +1

      do u know the best intercooler to get?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +2

      Totally worth it for more consistent power. I like the cts but some ppl swear by other higher priced brands like apr etc

    • @pluskii5229
      @pluskii5229 4 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 alright thanks man, ill make sure to get one. You like that cobb accessport?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      Yup Cobb ties everything together. You need it to run a custom tune

  • @boostedbub217
    @boostedbub217 4 года назад +3

    Enjoy the content as always. This setup is coming along great!

  • @AlexMK7
    @AlexMK7 4 года назад +1

    Nice video, I also have a white MK7.5 manual! Which pro tune are you gonna go with?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      didnt see this earlier! sneekytuned

  • @shannonmcatee9610
    @shannonmcatee9610 3 года назад

    Went stage 2 apr , full exhaust...my shop told me I didn't need one yet but yours sure looks good

    • @MikemoRides
      @MikemoRides 3 года назад +1

      Without an intercooler at stage 2 you're going to heat soak quick. I'm on an EQT stage 2 tune and my charge temps rocket up doing a 40-100 pull. After a downpipe and a tune an intercooler is the next best upgrade for the Gen3 imo.

    • @shannonmcatee9610
      @shannonmcatee9610 3 года назад

      I've yet to have a temp issue.. Its a weekend errand, run kids around car ... If I was ever gettn to a track then I'd definitely add it to the front of the list

  • @circadianhaze
    @circadianhaze 4 года назад +5

    Love your channel, as always!
    Still wish that you had your eighth-gen Si, as I still have mine and it RIPS...you are faster (with your GTI), but that SOUND ( and revs) of a naturally aspirated K-series...🤤
    Do you ever miss it? Or are you loving your GTI with zero regrets?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +2

      Thanks for watching! As much as I love the GTI, hearing the vtec crossover when the SI was FBO is definitely something you can't replicate with these turbo cars.

  • @mhaas281
    @mhaas281 2 года назад +1

    Any hp gains from upgrading intercooler? I recently installed 91 octane APR tune and IS20 turbo in my 1.8 golf sport wagon.

    • @jimbrown5605
      @jimbrown5605 3 месяца назад

      It's more about maintaining power over and over doing pulls on warm days vs feeling the heat rob power and feeling slower each pull as iats rise. Your car will feel like it's 60⁰ all the time.

  • @mariorflores7299
    @mariorflores7299 2 года назад

    Hi, gave it some horsepower……because I've been looking at the CTS and the ARM and I don't know which one to go for.

  • @robzamora2334
    @robzamora2334 3 года назад +1

    Do you have video of stock? Just saying it didn’t drop eh not convincing

  • @derekbonilla9713
    @derekbonilla9713 8 месяцев назад

    Hi, so I have an mk7, and have found a couple cheap used parts that have made my “build” a bit better. I have an intake, turbo inlet, catback, and now am installing a twin intercooler as well. Do I need a tune immediately or can I use it for a couple months as is until I get a downpipe and then tune?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  8 месяцев назад

      Normal driving should be fine with no tune since the ecu can adjust itself however you won’t see much gains without a matching tune

  • @petescarp4275
    @petescarp4275 3 года назад

    Awesome vids bro!! I'm about to get a front mount , what do you do with the stock one ? Just cap it plug it up?

  • @benkiist8218
    @benkiist8218 Год назад +1

    Out of curiosity how much lag does the front mount add over stock?

    • @jimbrown5605
      @jimbrown5605 3 месяца назад

      It's located 6" more forward than oem. So total about 12" more tube. No noticeable difference on is38

  • @reptileguy8458
    @reptileguy8458 4 года назад +2

    Would this intercooler be ok to install on a stock engine? NOTHING else done.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      A tune would be needed (at least for max potential)

    • @BurningCole963
      @BurningCole963 4 года назад +1

      You can do it no problems. My buddy did it on his focus ST with an intake and no tune and now he’s keeping up with my stage 2 GTI that has no intercooler after a couple pulls.

  • @Wtj491
    @Wtj491 2 года назад

    How is the FMIC holding up? I'm about to go stage 2 with a DP and looking at either the CTS FMIC or just a replacement Wagner intercooler which is most likely will be more effective but also double the price.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  2 года назад

      Still doing it’s job at the 400whp range. These are rated up to 450 on cts website

  • @angellanzurez945
    @angellanzurez945 2 месяца назад

    After adding the new intercooler what did you do with the factory one? Do you have it connected with the new one or is it just sitter there?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  2 месяца назад

      With a front mount you can keep the factory intercooler in place

    • @angellanzurez945
      @angellanzurez945 2 месяца назад

      @@JewelCity1 no need to have it hosed in or with a Y hose?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  2 месяца назад

      @@angellanzurez945 only Y hose if you want to use both intercoolers, otherwise you can bypass by leaving the oem unit unplugged from connecting to the rest of the piping system.

  • @enriqueroman5645
    @enriqueroman5645 4 года назад

    Great video! Was wondering if you could give advice on how to drill thru the crash bumper?

  • @isaacm1289
    @isaacm1289 2 года назад

    But its not only temperature what should be considered.... pressure diferences among the 2 intercoolers affect performance

  • @colbyleathers2277
    @colbyleathers2277 Год назад

    Should I run a Bi-cooler setup on a stock IS20? If not then should I remove the stock cooler when upgrading to a FMIC?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  Год назад +1

      You can keep your stock ic unplugged and just run the front mount. Less hassle, and it’s already In place if you go back to stock

  • @rambow70
    @rambow70 Год назад

    I wonder if anyone has dropped in a stock Golf R intercooler into a GTI? They are $250-300 instead of the aftermarket intercoolers that are $700+. Perks are OEM fit and they weight about 10 lbs less than an aftermarket intercooler. Downside is they only have 10% more volume whereas aftermarket ones have 60%+ more volume. Could be good for stage 1 or 2 power.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  Год назад +1

      You could retrofit but for 250-300 you could get a budget front mount and have much better cooling. Install would also be more simple.

  • @nathanelliott6770
    @nathanelliott6770 2 года назад

    I have a question, so I just installed a neuspeed FMIC for my mk7 that’s meant for a is38 turbo. But I have the stock is20 turbo. I got it used for a good deal and I was wondering will it not preform as well as a FMIC that’s meant for the is20? Thanks

  • @MarkIzaguirre
    @MarkIzaguirre 3 года назад

    Debating between this ant the ECS fmic. How had this been over the past year you’ve had it installed? Do you have charge pipes and throttle pipes installed?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +2

      No issues. Just know that if you need IC pipe replacements cts won’t sell them to you separately. This car does not have any upgraded charge pipes.

    • @MarkIzaguirre
      @MarkIzaguirre 3 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 i appreciate your time. i already purchased their downpipe im going to give this a try.

  • @yosh_tuned
    @yosh_tuned 2 года назад

    Did you cap off your factory IC or run it as a twin intercooler setup?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  2 года назад

      Not running a twin cooler setup

  • @rogerwang0523
    @rogerwang0523 4 года назад +2

    Is there any turbo lagging after intercooler is upgraded?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +1

      Not at all. if anything it would probably help it since it’s mixing cooler more dense air.

    • @rogerwang0523
      @rogerwang0523 4 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 Thanks a lot!!!!!!!

  • @Silbaru
    @Silbaru 4 года назад

    Hey man, do you feel any increased lag w the front mount? I was just wondering with the slightly longer hoses

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +2

      not at all. If anything, the cooler air helps vs hot air that makes the car feel sluggish

  • @patrick5.0
    @patrick5.0 3 года назад +1

    I’m stock an I picked this up in preparation for power is that a good idea?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +1

      of course. its a great supporting/power mod

  • @S1Krr_Peters
    @S1Krr_Peters 3 года назад

    How accurate is that boost reading on the AP? I didn’t really see it showing vacuum at all.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад

      Monitor boost manifold pressure. It shows vacuum

  • @cesarflores1529
    @cesarflores1529 Год назад

    Hey man I installed this in my car and I have a cat back exhaust and knn air filter system but I haven’t got tune but when I installed it feel slow on the throttle and a “EPC” light came on the and my turbo is not working it’s not spooling up and not boost is being made. Any advice ?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  Год назад

      Check codes then check the turbo itself. Normally you’ll want a tune when you add parts

  • @alejandrovargas6906
    @alejandrovargas6906 3 года назад

    Did your check engine light ever go on after installing your down pipe and intercooler? I have the intercooler on the way and contemplating the down pipe but just don’t want to have the check engine light go on. Your feedback is much appreciated it.

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +1

      Yes it comes off. Either through a tune or clearing the code on Cobb or obd11. For some ppl it comes back but it’s a harmless code. Just clear it again

    • @alejandrovargas6906
      @alejandrovargas6906 3 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 thanks for your fast response... I think I’m just going to do the intercooler first and wait at least a month or two to do the down pipe. Do you get any codes when installing the intercooler only?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +1

      No codes

    • @alejandrovargas6906
      @alejandrovargas6906 3 года назад +1

      @@JewelCity1 Thats great news. Thanks for your help once more and for taking your time to make this informative videos, it has really helped me out deciding what to upgrade on my new to me gti. Have only had it for a month and already have done a stage 1 ECU and DSG tune by united Motorsports and I’m absolutely loving it. Can’t wait for this intercooler now!

  • @gabekendall3751
    @gabekendall3751 3 года назад

    Link to the intercooler I’m about to cop

  • @HieuNguyen-ts1bo
    @HieuNguyen-ts1bo 4 года назад +1

    Hello, where can i get this install in the bay area?

  • @luiselvatoloco
    @luiselvatoloco 3 года назад

    with the front mount intercooler you remove the original or you use the flow in both ???

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад

      A front mount means you disconnect the stock IC. A twin cooler uses both front and stock

    • @corytv9689
      @corytv9689 2 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 what’s better fmic or twin

  • @reapersasmr5483
    @reapersasmr5483 2 года назад

    I went with a arm front mount in gold , with hard pipes and full bolt on's and stage 2 tune , nothing special

  • @garry2280
    @garry2280 4 года назад

    You should paint the letters and logo RED to show off the intercooler. Thanks for the video I have a MK4 that I’m going to order a front mount intercooler. Thanks to your video

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      garry vangundy ive thought about it before, that’s awesome too

  • @felipejrzt
    @felipejrzt 3 года назад

    How did you deal with the radar in the front grille/forward collision warning system?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад +1

      Mk7.5 have radar in the vw emblem not grill

    • @felipejrzt
      @felipejrzt 3 года назад

      @Jewel City Oh ok. I'm thinking of ordering the cts fmic for my 2019 gti s and was a bit confused thanks for the reply!

    • @felipejrzt
      @felipejrzt 3 года назад

      @Jewel City Lastly, did you remove the stock intercooler?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  3 года назад

      Still there but plugged

    • @felipejrzt
      @felipejrzt 3 года назад +1

      @Jewel City Ok thanks man appreciate the response

  • @ryanmanalansan6116
    @ryanmanalansan6116 4 года назад

    Adding the inner cooler did you retune your car?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      yes a retune is good for max potential

  • @eppyz
    @eppyz 3 года назад +2

    And aftermarket intercooler does not add any horsepower it doesn't make the car any faster the only reason why you upgrade your intercooler is if you are running higher boost in stock and when you do so it creates more heat so upgrading your inner cooler at that time makes sense but on a stock car running stock everything completely waste of money same thing with an air intake the air intakes do absolutely nothing unless you're really pushing some high boost levels and then you have to be tuned to have that modification to take advantage of any horsepower gains that are possible. So if you have heat soak problems on a stock car that's very rare I live in extremely hot weather where I live the warmest in the nation and I've never had heat so problems but if you're on a track and you're modified meaning you have a stage one or stage two tune and you're running into heat soak issues then yeah upgrading the intercooler at that time makes sense.

    • @aranaydar7535
      @aranaydar7535 3 года назад

      What if i got stage 1 + downpipe on my twinturbo 3l diesel is it worth getting upgrated intercooler? PLS REPLY I DONT WANNA WASTE MONEY

    • @eppyz
      @eppyz 3 года назад

      @@aranaydar7535 I don't know too much about diesels but with the turbocharged similarities between gas and Diesel whenever boost is increased there's more heat so if you can dissipate that heat you'll have better performance you have to remember that installing or upgrading your intercooler does not necessarily mean more horsepower or torque what the upgraded intercooler does is give more consistent horsepower and torque because heat soak of the intercooler would be less likely to cause power losses.
      So generally the rule of thumb is if you increase boost you should upgrade your intercooler compensate for the heat that would be expected from increasing the boost now if you're only increasing boost one or two PSI then you probably are okay with your factory intercooler but if you're increasing boost more substantially across the RPM band then you definitely would want to upgrade your inner cooler for consistency throughout your RPM band. I hope this makes sense to you and the purchase of an intercooler is up to you they are expensive and some are kind of tricky to install just depends on the vehicle but if it's something you can do yourself prior to yourself getting tuned you would save a lot of money that way but I would say for stage one I wouldn't bother with an upgraded intercooler but if you go stage 2 I definitely would but that's just my opinion so take that for what it's worth also depends on your climate and driving style.

    • @aranaydar7535
      @aranaydar7535 3 года назад

      @@eppyz woah your knowledge is on another level thanks dude!

    • @christopherrogers8316
      @christopherrogers8316 Год назад

      A bigger intercooler certainly increases hp. Proven facts lol.

    • @eppyz
      @eppyz Год назад

      @@christopherrogers8316 intercooler doesn't bump hp just makes the hp more reliable. The tune you had with the intercooler made the power not the intercooler. Don't care what proof you have 20 yrs of racing Evo's and having 100's of hours of tuning is all the proof i need. Believe whatever you want😎

  • @TheDadFatha
    @TheDadFatha 3 года назад

    Are you at emerald isle in this video?

  • @dannyvaladez6529
    @dannyvaladez6529 2 года назад

    You in L.A bro ? 🎉

  • @tonyv7589
    @tonyv7589 4 года назад

    I thought all mk7 intercoolers sat between the condenser and radiator?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +1

      Tony V true but this is a front mount upgrade

    • @tonyv7589
      @tonyv7589 4 года назад

      @@JewelCity1
      Do they actually do anything... performance wise?...

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад

      Tony V helps bring in cooler air so there is possibility it’ll help make more hp

    • @arekustienny2521
      @arekustienny2521 4 года назад

      Same question . Why did you or how did you put infront of rad?

    • @foxxrider250r
      @foxxrider250r 4 года назад

      @@arekustienny2521 another install vid I saw showed the new one getting mounted in front of the radiator and just leaving the old stock one in place where it came.(and hopefully covering up the holes to stock one)

  • @deejay4837
    @deejay4837 Год назад

    Stage 3 yet?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  Год назад

      Check out the most recent vids

  • @NeXuS858
    @NeXuS858 4 года назад

    Why not change the core IC?

    • @JewelCity1
      @JewelCity1  4 года назад +2

      NeXuS858 much easier to add/remove a front mount and gives good results for bolt on cars

    • @NeXuS858
      @NeXuS858 4 года назад

      @@JewelCity1 definitely easier to install but the results are not as significant as swapping the core IC for a better one
      mygolfmk7.com/2019/02/mk7-gti-ebay-fmic-drive-comparison/

    • @foxxrider250r
      @foxxrider250r 4 года назад

      @@NeXuS858 the article link is a twintercooler setup with 2 intercoolers

    • @NeXuS858
      @NeXuS858 4 года назад

      @@foxxrider250r correct that's what the GTI in the video is running. Replacing the OEM IC yields better performance

    • @TheMlvswoll
      @TheMlvswoll 4 года назад +1

      NeXuS858 I think he said he is running a CTS FRont mount. This is not the same as a Twincooler fmic. The twincooler uses a front mount in conjunction with the inefficient oem cooler. The CTS disconnects the oem cooler and operates as a stand-alone intercooler. It’s a better bar and plate design and the end tanks are more efficient at cooling as the oem ends are plastic.

  • @Wayzor_
    @Wayzor_ 3 года назад

    Two words...
    Wheels, Spacers.

  • @tonytilleman8116
    @tonytilleman8116 4 года назад

    piggyback?