Ben Davis said he had the unintentional genius foresight to stop smoking after RDR1. His voice healed enough by RDR2 to have a less weathered and aged voice for the prequel. 😊
@@ryanash4681 exacly. After everything that happened in RDR2 when john goes to buy the property at beachers hope just because abigail showed him in the journal.. lol, he couldn't be more dumb. It didn't need to be that specific property, could be a land in another state or even another country. They should had gone to south america honestly
this is why rdr2 is the perfect prequel because it gives you more context on how persuasive dutch can be and looking back at his lines from rdr1 jt matches up perdectlyn
"....but we're fightin' for something. Never forget that we stand for something." It's insane that Dutch never drops his cult of personality for even a minute.
@@jx2_23i say wing it and make a story based off jack marston, it might seem like a bad idea but it doesn’t hurt to come up with an idea around his character
At somepoint in RDR2 dutches so called plan went out the window and he became a criminal in my opinion that plan went out the window the moment the gang got involved with that family's war
Dutch has always changed as soon as shit don’t go his way that’s why so many women die as soon as shit starts to pop of it seem like Dutch kill as many women as possible 😂
Cuz black water is prob the worst police force imaginable knowing the history of black water and how they let the black water massacre get as bad as it did
I was literally walking by a cop, at normal pace but because I was arthur he told me to stop or he would shoot. I stopped and he shot me full of holes all for just existing 😂
He always was a monster. If you think that him hitting his head made him crazy, or he slowly became a monster, because of Micah it shows that he manipulated you
@@memesarecool1541 nah, you can tell in rdr2 that he really (once) cared deeply for Arthur, Hosea etc. but something (maybe the blackwater heist) began to break him
Yea he wasn’t as complex a character when he was invented in RDR but I like that it makes you wonder how ill his mind went after RDR2 for him to end up so damaged
Dutch 1899: Intellectual and eloquently spoken. John 1899: Unrefined and lost. Dutch 1915: Unrefined and lost. John 1915: Intellectual and eloquently spoken.
Dutch was already broken when Hosea died, but when Arthur died he was torn apart because he literally put aside his most trusted member in the gang for a snake. Even killing Micah he was still broken from everything he had done before that moment.
@@jace5404zoomers who just got into red dead is my guess and i support him all the way. When rdr came out i already felt the betrayal and struggle John felt. Rdr2 just spelt it out for the slower kids.
@@SirAuronthehonorableinstead of gatekeeping, how about you look at it from another perspective? Rather than simply being told that John was betrayed by Dutch and that’s why we should feel the connection, the second game actually shows us reasons why we should care. John and Dutch are both shown far more in depth and Dutch’s downfall is shown in a sympathetic light. When characters are more fleshed out, you care more for those characters and what they do.
I'm surprised that no one has picked up on the fact that Dutch's Gang in RDR1 is made primarily of Native Americans. Seems like he's still manipulating their oppression for his own gain yet again like with Eagle Flies in RDR2.
And I firmly believe that was true once, even for a lot of RDR2. But by now Dutch is just on autopilot, waiting to finally be put out of his misery. And it clearly hurts John to see hat his father has become.
@@NikkolasKingit was true even at this point, they were still fighting for Dutch idea of freedom. His freedom had just been perverted at this point into homicide. He was unable to give up and most likely wanted to go down as a martyr for his idea.
bro we need a prequel with all the dead characters before rd2 starts and how gang came to be, it sucks that if a sequel with jack comes out their will be no Wild West. Or maybe a undead nightmare
In the first RDR Dutch kind of seemed like a wild dog with no plan other than chaos. He's dirty, he kills innocent people, he's almost evil. But in the end, despite John walking out of a corridor of the cave Dutch talks to John a moment, throws his gun off a cliff, before throwing himself off. After playing RDR2 and seeing how clean and organized he used to be EVERYTHING in RDR hits differently. In my mind, the last scene with Dutch hits the hardest. He throws himself off a cliff, so John can go back to his family, in my mind at least. The Red Dead series is absolutely exquisite! Emotional highs and lows, near perfect gameplay for it own genre that it pretty much stands alone in, and characters that are not only fun to play and interact with but that can tug at your heartstrings and make you feel like you're a part of the story yourself. The series best not end here of Rockstar knows what's best for them. Next game, may I suggest multiple playable characters like int GTAV!
I don't think Dutch killed himself for John and his family. It's more likely that he just wanted to go on his own terms, since killing John was no longer an option. At the end, Dutch knew his death would not keep John and his family safe, because he knew that Ross and his men would have to find another monster to kill after they've dealt with him, and John was the most likely candidate for that.
Crazy how in rd2 Arthur was trying to help the Native American people and Dutch was trying to use them for his benefit and all those years later he was doing the same thing
@@jennydeaf9O9 when I heard him say "I don't know" I remember old dutch Back when he did everything for a reason, Rob for the gang, kill for his beliefs, even some times do good deeds But now? He has no Idea why he's doing it anymore, like he's lost his reasoning along with arthur
I love how lost he is. U can really see how far he fell from rdr2. Now he doesn’t have a plan for why he does things he just does them but he still tries to keep the moral high ground that him and his gang aren’t thieves and they are just trying to survive and they are fighting for something when the thing they are fighting was lost long before he meets John again
Seeing Dutch old without the old crew and John just trying to love his best life still in the old west just to think of it wasn’t for Arthur none of them would be there 😢❤
I want an rdr1 remaster so bad. I never played rdr1, didn't even know it existed until 2 came out in 2018, but after playing it for the first time a few months ago I fell in love with the game. We NEED a remaster Rockstar.
They were remastering it until they seen how bad the GTA remake did with sales, but that's bc the GTA remake sucked lol. Red Dead would have been dope, they messed up there.
I have seen Dutch in rdr2 as serious, inteligent man who fight for freedom, against great unfairness. Now in rdr1 he just lost his mind, no more elegant leader with genius within him. Just next murder who lost track of his life
Truth is Dutch was always a murderer. His gang just kept him from going off the deep end. Many ppl forget that Dutch is a criminal at heart and it can be assumed he was one pretty much his whole life. Dutch from the start of Red Dead 2 is shown to think his ideals exist over everyone else because of "corruption". Its the reason Hosea warned of not robbing the train, but Dutch saw it as something worth doing despite needing to lay low. Dutch justifies his actions by labeling them as a means to an end for some great goal. You can even see him do that in this video. Once his facade of a grand leader with a plan slips, his true colors show. He's a cold blooded egotistical killer who ultimatly never had a plan outside of causing mayham.
John: "Why you wanna do a thing like that?" Dutch: "I dunno... sport, I guess?" John: "...Fair 'nuff." Makes me laugh, but then I remember RDR2 and cry.
He was always crazy. From the very beginning. He killed an innocent girl on the black water heist. Bro has been crazy from day one. His mask started slipping when the gang was falling apart
RDR2 really is a masterclass in retconing, they even made it make sense why Dutches new gang followed him. He showed the seeds early with the natives there
Idk why I’m noticing this but you can see John’s trigger discipline while Dutch is clutching the trigger. I find that to be a great attention to detail
Dutch sounds so much more calm in rdr2. Here he just sounds like someone who escaped from a mental hospital. He dresses like that too. Crazy how different he is
Its ironic that he says he fights for an idea in rdr2 in chapter 3 he has a talk with lenny with america being an idea and there people who say americas a club and people who think america is an idea and the traitors are the in the club and then lenny say only that the club makes the rules
These games do not shy away from tragedy. There are such melancholic undertones. Something about fate and the futility of fighting against change or one’s native and the passage of time. Dutch is an entirely broken man by RDR1. He’s lost all conviction and all but admits that he has no reason for killing anymore and doesn’t even care. “I don’t know… sport, I guess.” These games tore my heart out ngl.
The Gang in RDR2 is pretty much symbolic for how twisted Dutch's personality is. There are many different characters, some with good morals and some with bad morals. Dutch had these morals as well and attracted ppl with the same. The way things played out in RDR2 showed us why he ended up the way he was in the first game, with ppl that always kept him tied to his good sides dying and leaving him with ppl who only resonated with his bad sides. It would be awesome to see a younger Dutch, when it was only him, Hosea and Arthur (and maybe John). I know it won't happen, but RDR3 could be showing that Story, of how the gang formed over the years, with it ultimately ending in the Blackwater heist.
I love how they switched roles: Dutch, the man with the plan, is now aimless on how he can lead his ppl. And John, previously scared of his responsibilities as a man of the family, is so desperately trying to finish the job to get back to them.
You can occasionally gear his voice break or be wavy indicating a surge of sad emotions breaking through his ability to contain them. Showing his internal pain and him not even know what to do anymore and desperately trying to do anything to feel like he has a purpose. Man with out a purpose has no will to live and will terminate himself as his mission has been fulfilled in his mind
i mean, he’s got a point tho. in my eyes, dutch always cared about the gang. he was a good man, fighting and robbing his way to provide for the gang. he started to lose his mind after the death of hosea and was manipulated by micah. whereas john only cared for himself. he didn’t think about how the other gang members felt, he only cared about the certainty of him living a peaceful life with his family. also when jack was born he didn’t know what to do so the first thing he did was run away for a few years. now, don’t get me wrong, john is a good person, but he is selfish.
If you think Dutch cared more for other people than John (by the time chapter 6 ends, let's say), you're misreading one or both of them. John cares, but he knows he can't save everyone. Choosing to be a good father and husband when it's such an alien idea is NOT selfishness. Providing for one's family is not selfishness. Dutch is selfish by the end of chapter 6 because ultimately no, he isn't providing for the gang. He's demanding the gang provide for him, because HE'S the one who needs to be worshipped, and he forbids them from leaving even when they're in mortal danger. It's all about what Dutch wants and it was that way during the time Dutch is talking about here. He's just lying and trying to make himself out to be better than he is. He's a narcissist.
Dutch may have been fighting for an ideal world before Micha, but once he got in Dutch's head Dutch didn't know the difference between his dream and being an outright criminal. At this point he was completely lost and it is sad to see. I want a game where we see him, Hosea and Arthur when they first started so we can see that loving fatherly side of him again like it started in rdr2...
You can see the brakes come off when he kills Angelo Bronte. Even Arthur, who has killed, and seen plenty of people killed looks shocked, because he knows it's a change in Dutch's character.
I loved every interaction between Dutch and John. They always showed how simple John was, his dialogue always being something simple and dismissive such as "I guess so" or "that's their business" while Dutch is a very intelligent but deranged man, often talking endlessly about his greater plans and philosophical views on the world.
Thing is that, Micah didn’t make Dutch lose his mind, he even said to Arthur in chapter 1 ”I know you haven’t thought much of my ideas lately” then Dutch lost Sean, got a concussion during the trolley, losing his best friend (Hosea) and went more insane. Then Micah took the advantage of that and in American Venom Dutch shot Micah for 1 of 3 reasons, he realized he was played, he did it for Arthur, but most likely a rival for power
Dutch understood the reality of what comes with that life. He knew he was at the bottom of everything, he knew that his old ass was running on a timer. "Family"
This is really sad when you think about everything Dutch and John went through in Rdr2, he still talks like he did back in 1899, but now it's even more hollow than before. At this point Dutch is just killing and robbing to do it, there's no method in his madness anymore. He's not even visibly crazed or nothing, just doing what comes naturally.
God RDR 2 makes Dutch's fall from grace so tragic. There were two versions of Dutch in my head the gentle "Our time has passed, when I'm gone they're going to just make another monster" That was the leader John knew, that was the Dutch we saw in the opening chapters of this game. A flawed man, an outlaw, and a good man. "I don't know, Sport I guess?" That's the Dutch who just lost his damn mind, who fell to far and he knows it too. He knows that the buck stopped with him. Yeah Micha helped but at the end of the day, Dutch was the boss, he had the power to say no. However, he doesn't want to admit he was wrong so he just decided to embrace the monster he became and it's just so to said to see.
Damn John voice is so different in rdr2
Dutch too!
You mean rip van wrinkle (edit: This is my biggest comment 😅)
I still think RDR2 did it justice.
@@fight8the8feeling8 i don't know, i wished they gave him a little more of a mature personality, in the epilogue i just didn't feel like he was john
@@jimmyconway4839I mean he is younger younger tend to be more unmature
"you always were a fine speaker"
"I was"
i love it 😭😭😭🔥 it's so different after playing red dead two
Dutch is the king of voice cracks
But his voice is very intimidating it makes up for it
Dutch just sounds broken in RDR1, like he completely lost himself. the cracks kind of fit into this like he's on the verge of breaking down
@@lukabrasi001 oooo I like that
Ben Davis said he had the unintentional genius foresight to stop smoking after RDR1. His voice healed enough by RDR2 to have a less weathered and aged voice for the prequel. 😊
And he still makes more than you.
john was just trying to get back to his family and was cheated out of life
I wouldn’t say he was cheated, when your in that type of life things will always catch up to you no matter who you are.
@@najeepope3345 the law was wrong in that situation
@@Rowan-M-K If only he didn’t look back as Arthur told him maybe he could have had a peaceful life with his family it’s a goddamn tragic really🥲
@@kevinmillerwaynejr5852yeah instead he buys a house right next to the town where the gangs most notorious shootout happened
@@ryanash4681 exacly. After everything that happened in RDR2 when john goes to buy the property at beachers hope just because abigail showed him in the journal.. lol, he couldn't be more dumb. It didn't need to be that specific property, could be a land in another state or even another country. They should had gone to south america honestly
this is why rdr2 is the perfect prequel because it gives you more context on how persuasive dutch can be and looking back at his lines from rdr1 jt matches up perdectlyn
Think you messed up that last part a little
Man, what happened? Did you get a little stroke there at the end?
@@Deyone_Jackson lmao i dont remember posting this
@@Zilis_high asf lmao
you get attacked while you were typing or something?
“I don’t know, Sport I guess” will forever be one of my favorite lines in Red Dead Redemption
100th thumb up I rule :)…
-Damn you!
-Yes, many have...
"....but we're fightin' for something. Never forget that we stand for something."
It's insane that Dutch never drops his cult of personality for even a minute.
That line shows how far Dutch had fallen. It's dark, it's depressing, it's beautiful.
@@unfriendly9764amazing one. rdr1 is so well written
Damn the whole red dead story is so good
Por eso creo que el tercer juego debe ser una precuela de rdr1
@@canditovasquez4300RDR2 was a prequel to RDR1. What I think is that they should make a Remake of RDR1.
@@jx2_23i say wing it and make a story based off jack marston, it might seem like a bad idea but it doesn’t hurt to come up with an idea around his character
@@zylisssI wouldn't mind seeing more of jack and how his life went
Why?? It was perfect… I love rd1
In RDR2 he used to have a *gOd dAmn PLaaaAAAAN* , but in RDR1… he just a criminal who wants to rob and kill without real reason.
Simply put; *Dutch has changed*
At somepoint in RDR2 dutches so called plan went out the window and he became a criminal in my opinion that plan went out the window the moment the gang got involved with that family's war
Dutch was always like this i think, he just used The Plan to cover for it
Dutch has always changed as soon as shit don’t go his way that’s why so many women die as soon as shit starts to pop of it seem like Dutch kill as many women as possible 😂
Dutch never had a plan. He was just stringing along the whole gang and keeping the money for himself.
If u play red dead 1 after rd2 it just hits different
Edit: Yo stop with the notifications. Thx anyways
I'll give you them in order Red dead revolver 1960 red dead redemption 2 1899 red dead redemption 1 1914
@@_The_Music_Man_ 1960?
@@_The_Music_Man_ Ah yes, the western set in 1960.
@@cartah my bad I meant 1860
@@alastair810 It was a mistake i was thinking of the one that is actually in 1900s
I’ve wondered how on earth they managed to stand out there without lawmen shooting them
That's something I have thought of to
@@07Spelar well ig u can't shoot them anymore pal ur long gone😂
Cuz black water is prob the worst police force imaginable knowing the history of black water and how they let the black water massacre get as bad as it did
Dutch had a plan
I was literally walking by a cop, at normal pace but because I was arthur he told me to stop or he would shoot. I stopped and he shot me full of holes all for just existing 😂
Micah ruined Dutch
Dutch was already losing his mind in chapter 2, he would always say weird stuff to me in chapter 2
Dutch was probably always like that, but Micah definitely had a part in driving him over the edge
Fuck micah.
Dutch ruined Dutch. Lol
No, that's a brainless excuse, an injustice to the story.
Playing the games chronologically is so beautifully depressing
It's that way no matter if you play 1-2 or 2-1.
@@Mr.Sax.Does everyone forget about Red Dead Revolver?
Red dead revolver has nothing to do with story except that maybe the guy u play as in Rd revolver is uncle
@@LincolnCuddy Literally no one was talking about the story.
@user-mw2eu2io9f its been confirmed by rockstar multiples times that uncle isnt red harlow theyre in different universes
One thing I’ve noticed just now is that John keeps his finger off the trigger, while Dutch does the exact opposite
i just realized that, thank you
Dutch's fashion really levelled down huh
Bro lost his drip
@@what_4836sAs his sanity declined, so did his motivation to dress up well. Love the parallels between his mental state and his physical state
@@haystackbill6187 I think bro just can't afford immaculate drip anymore since he was laying low for years
It's sad to see Dutch turning into a monster
He was always a monster.
He always was a monster. If you think that him hitting his head made him crazy, or he slowly became a monster, because of Micah it shows that he manipulated you
yeah ik it is pretty sad
@@memesarecool1541 nah, you can tell in rdr2 that he really (once) cared deeply for Arthur, Hosea etc. but something (maybe the blackwater heist) began to break him
Beyond sad how “I choose who I kill and who I rob and you destroy everything in your path” became “idk son I guess I’ll just kill you for sport lol”
Yea he wasn’t as complex a character when he was invented in RDR but I like that it makes you wonder how ill his mind went after RDR2 for him to end up so damaged
@@daseapickleofjustice7231probably arthur's death, when he killed micah he didn't even take the money, he just left
Dutch 1899: Intellectual and eloquently spoken.
John 1899: Unrefined and lost.
Dutch 1915: Unrefined and lost.
John 1915: Intellectual and eloquently spoken.
They were both dead in 1915
1911
Great point.
Dutch was already broken when Hosea died, but when Arthur died he was torn apart because he literally put aside his most trusted member in the gang for a snake. Even killing Micah he was still broken from everything he had done before that moment.
After playing Red dead Redemption 2, this scene is way sadder to me cause I finally know the relationship between Dutch and John
@user-zu8mj5nb1z🤓
@user-zu8mj5nb1zwhats your problem 💀
@@jace5404zoomers who just got into red dead is my guess and i support him all the way. When rdr came out i already felt the betrayal and struggle John felt. Rdr2 just spelt it out for the slower kids.
@@SirAuronthehonorable and the younger kids who never played rdr(me) thank you for clearing that up
@@SirAuronthehonorableinstead of gatekeeping, how about you look at it from another perspective? Rather than simply being told that John was betrayed by Dutch and that’s why we should feel the connection, the second game actually shows us reasons why we should care. John and Dutch are both shown far more in depth and Dutch’s downfall is shown in a sympathetic light. When characters are more fleshed out, you care more for those characters and what they do.
“See my boys here, they already lost their families a long time ago.” My favorite line
I'm surprised that no one has picked up on the fact that Dutch's Gang in RDR1 is made primarily of Native Americans. Seems like he's still manipulating their oppression for his own gain yet again like with Eagle Flies in RDR2.
@@Warthog.edu.I've seen maybe one playthrough where they draw that connection. It is a cool detail indeed
Always loved Dutch’s line here “we’re fighting for an idea, not just for ourselves”
And I firmly believe that was true once, even for a lot of RDR2. But by now Dutch is just on autopilot, waiting to finally be put out of his misery. And it clearly hurts John to see hat his father has become.
@@NikkolasKingit was true even at this point, they were still fighting for Dutch idea of freedom. His freedom had just been perverted at this point into homicide. He was unable to give up and most likely wanted to go down as a martyr for his idea.
I’ve got a plan Arthur
ARTHOR MY BOAHHHH
were going to tahiti- dutch🤓
John forgot about aerthers sick ahh for a reason 😂💀
Rdr2 Dutch: I have a plan.
Rdr Dutch: … Do I really look like a guy with a plan?
Everything burns !!
Do you want to know how I got these voice cracks John? Marlboro cigarettes John … got me actin like a fiend
You wanna know how l got these scars... Oh! You've got yours, too, John.
bro we need a prequel with all the dead characters before rd2 starts and how gang came to be, it sucks that if a sequel with jack comes out their will be no Wild West. Or maybe a undead nightmare
Has there been any talk even of what the third installment is going to entail?
@@anton3486 nothing official from Rockstar
A sequel with Jack would most likely be set during ww1 they could take a couple routes with that really
They will, next game will be Mac as the protagonist
If they did that, they need to make a model of young Hosea and use that as the protagonist.
In the first RDR Dutch kind of seemed like a wild dog with no plan other than chaos. He's dirty, he kills innocent people, he's almost evil. But in the end, despite John walking out of a corridor of the cave Dutch talks to John a moment, throws his gun off a cliff, before throwing himself off. After playing RDR2 and seeing how clean and organized he used to be EVERYTHING in RDR hits differently. In my mind, the last scene with Dutch hits the hardest. He throws himself off a cliff, so John can go back to his family, in my mind at least.
The Red Dead series is absolutely exquisite!
Emotional highs and lows, near perfect gameplay for it own genre that it pretty much stands alone in, and characters that are not only fun to play and interact with but that can tug at your heartstrings and make you feel like you're a part of the story yourself.
The series best not end here of Rockstar knows what's best for them.
Next game, may I suggest multiple playable characters like int GTAV!
I don't think Dutch killed himself for John and his family. It's more likely that he just wanted to go on his own terms, since killing John was no longer an option. At the end, Dutch knew his death would not keep John and his family safe, because he knew that Ross and his men would have to find another monster to kill after they've dealt with him, and John was the most likely candidate for that.
@@lobardodelainternet4253Atleast Dutch was able to warn John and teach his son one last lesson
“See my boys here, they lost their family’s a long time ago John.”
Everyone in the rdr2 gang- so did we… so did we
Fair point Sadie
the fact john sounds so gentle and sweet to dutch
Crazy how in rd2 Arthur was trying to help the Native American people and Dutch was trying to use them for his benefit and all those years later he was doing the same thing
“We are not criminals, we are outlaws”
Turned into
“I dunno, sport I guess”
The trigger discipline from John...
Its a tiny tiny detail, but a solid one. Shows john knows what he's doing, and not just some gun tooting hooligan.
It's also a nice little mirror to Dutch waving his pistol around with his finger on the trigger.
Its so sad that even after everything theres still a small amount of old dutch we knew and loved
not true at all /:
@@jennydeaf9O9 when I heard him say "I don't know" I remember old dutch
Back when he did everything for a reason, Rob for the gang, kill for his beliefs, even some times do good deeds
But now? He has no Idea why he's doing it anymore, like he's lost his reasoning along with arthur
@@the18bitgamertrue, he does seem broken after the gang collapsed and Arthur died. Even in the epilogue it showed
Just finished rdr1 after playing rdr2. What a game it was. I love this franchise so much
I love how lost he is. U can really see how far he fell from rdr2. Now he doesn’t have a plan for why he does things he just does them but he still tries to keep the moral high ground that him and his gang aren’t thieves and they are just trying to survive and they are fighting for something when the thing they are fighting was lost long before he meets John again
Seeing Dutch old without the old crew and John just trying to love his best life still in the old west just to think of it wasn’t for Arthur none of them would be there 😢❤
I want an rdr1 remaster so bad. I never played rdr1, didn't even know it existed until 2 came out in 2018, but after playing it for the first time a few months ago I fell in love with the game. We NEED a remaster Rockstar.
They were remastering it until they seen how bad the GTA remake did with sales, but that's bc the GTA remake sucked lol. Red Dead would have been dope, they messed up there.
Damn, I played rdr 1 first in 2014, you missed the long 4 year wait.
@kriswalsh9156it's actually happening right now
@@birdsarerathercool4 year long wait? Is that how long you had to wait before mommy let you play m rated games? lol
@@michaelterkildsen7964GTA trilogy remasters sold like 10 million. Probably more now.
I don't know... Start dancing? 😂
"We're fighting for something. We're fighting for an idea"
Just like they did back in 1899...
I have seen Dutch in rdr2 as serious, inteligent man who fight for freedom, against great unfairness. Now in rdr1 he just lost his mind, no more elegant leader with genius within him. Just next murder who lost track of his life
Truth is Dutch was always a murderer. His gang just kept him from going off the deep end. Many ppl forget that Dutch is a criminal at heart and it can be assumed he was one pretty much his whole life. Dutch from the start of Red Dead 2 is shown to think his ideals exist over everyone else because of "corruption". Its the reason Hosea warned of not robbing the train, but Dutch saw it as something worth doing despite needing to lay low. Dutch justifies his actions by labeling them as a means to an end for some great goal. You can even see him do that in this video. Once his facade of a grand leader with a plan slips, his true colors show. He's a cold blooded egotistical killer who ultimatly never had a plan outside of causing mayham.
You can hear Dutch's voice break in pain before he says "I don't know" :(
no dutch has just been somking a lot of cigars
Dutch always was a good talker
John: “I have a plan, Dutch”
Dutch: “ Sounds like a beautiful plan John, but I *also* have a plan “
*shoots some poor innocent lady* 🎩🗿
Dutch moment
Yep
“I’m gonna plan John! I’ve got a plaaaan!” Dutch said and planned all over
This certainly wasn’t what I expected Dutch was gonna turn into when I played RD2
John: "Why you wanna do a thing like that?"
Dutch: "I dunno... sport, I guess?"
John: "...Fair 'nuff."
Makes me laugh, but then I remember RDR2 and cry.
Dutch was like the joker in rdr1
"They all lost their family", same like you dutch
Dutch is the most Silver Tongue-ed character ever
Dutch really went batshit after that head knock😮💨
He was always crazy. From the very beginning. He killed an innocent girl on the black water heist. Bro has been crazy from day one. His mask started slipping when the gang was falling apart
Brain injury?
Lol fighting for an idea and killing for sport in the same speech.
Yeah Dutch went straight mad man murdering Rouge in RDR1 , the guy was just blamming on everyone & everything insight it’s crazy 😆😆😆🔥
That trolley accident really did something to his head.
He already killed Heidi McCourt for no reason during the ferry heist before that. He was always crazy
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uuh it was bad situation
Can't say it was for no reason idk
(You always was a fine speaker dutch - i was ) best line in history
Now John has a plan
RDR2 really is a masterclass in retconing, they even made it make sense why Dutches new gang followed him. He showed the seeds early with the natives there
I wouldve loved if we could duel Dutch there and then and just end everything once and for all
RDR1 just feels like somethings wrong with it. Somethings gone and its left the world feeling empty. Its just much more depressing.
Fair enough-
Idk why I’m noticing this but you can see John’s trigger discipline while Dutch is clutching the trigger. I find that to be a great attention to detail
Crazy how Dutch manipulated them just like he did eagle flies and his friends
Hearing dutches gravity speech in red dead 2 before 1 just hits way harder expesidly with john saying that dutch always has a plan after
"Were gonna kill the bo th of ya"
Dutch sounds so much more calm in rdr2. Here he just sounds like someone who escaped from a mental hospital. He dresses like that too. Crazy how different he is
Dutch is amazing he is awsome
I havent played rdr1 but after 2 long playthroughs of rdr2 watching this makes me see a totally broken Dutch, really impacts.
Id like to play as dutch if theres a prequal of 2
Its ironic that he says he fights for an idea in rdr2 in chapter 3 he has a talk with lenny with america being an idea and there people who say americas a club and people who think america is an idea and the traitors are the in the club and then lenny say only that the club makes the rules
Dutch I feel so bad for him bro he lost everything because of Micah in his ear and he went insane
These games do not shy away from tragedy. There are such melancholic undertones. Something about fate and the futility of fighting against change or one’s native and the passage of time. Dutch is an entirely broken man by RDR1. He’s lost all conviction and all but admits that he has no reason for killing anymore and doesn’t even care. “I don’t know… sport, I guess.” These games tore my heart out ngl.
Would've been typically Dutch if he had said: "That sounds like a beautiful plan John, but I got a plan." 🔥
The Gang in RDR2 is pretty much symbolic for how twisted Dutch's personality is. There are many different characters, some with good morals and some with bad morals. Dutch had these morals as well and attracted ppl with the same. The way things played out in RDR2 showed us why he ended up the way he was in the first game, with ppl that always kept him tied to his good sides dying and leaving him with ppl who only resonated with his bad sides.
It would be awesome to see a younger Dutch, when it was only him, Hosea and Arthur (and maybe John). I know it won't happen, but RDR3 could be showing that Story, of how the gang formed over the years, with it ultimately ending in the Blackwater heist.
This is just Dutch’s true self
Damn even back then the facial animations were flawless
It is crazy how rdr2 dutch and rdr1 dutch they are two diff people
"They already lost their families, a long time ago."
I guess that's something we all have in common then...
This is why I think rdr1 is better
I played rdr2 than came back to this game and the story just clicks so well it kinda makes this game better
I love how they switched roles:
Dutch, the man with the plan, is now aimless on how he can lead his ppl.
And John, previously scared of his responsibilities as a man of the family, is so desperately trying to finish the job to get back to them.
He turned from talking like a leader to talking like a psychopath
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You can occasionally gear his voice break or be wavy indicating a surge of sad emotions breaking through his ability to contain them. Showing his internal pain and him not even know what to do anymore and desperately trying to do anything to feel like he has a purpose. Man with out a purpose has no will to live and will terminate himself as his mission has been fulfilled in his mind
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i mean, he’s got a point tho.
in my eyes, dutch always cared about the gang. he was a good man, fighting and robbing his way to provide for the gang. he started to lose his mind after the death of hosea and was manipulated by micah.
whereas john only cared for himself. he didn’t think about how the other gang members felt, he only cared about the certainty of him living a peaceful life with his family. also when jack was born he didn’t know what to do so the first thing he did was run away for a few years. now, don’t get me wrong, john is a good person, but he is selfish.
If you think Dutch cared more for other people than John (by the time chapter 6 ends, let's say), you're misreading one or both of them. John cares, but he knows he can't save everyone. Choosing to be a good father and husband when it's such an alien idea is NOT selfishness. Providing for one's family is not selfishness.
Dutch is selfish by the end of chapter 6 because ultimately no, he isn't providing for the gang. He's demanding the gang provide for him, because HE'S the one who needs to be worshipped, and he forbids them from leaving even when they're in mortal danger. It's all about what Dutch wants and it was that way during the time Dutch is talking about here. He's just lying and trying to make himself out to be better than he is. He's a narcissist.
Dutch may have been fighting for an ideal world before Micha, but once he got in Dutch's head Dutch didn't know the difference between his dream and being an outright criminal. At this point he was completely lost and it is sad to see. I want a game where we see him, Hosea and Arthur when they first started so we can see that loving fatherly side of him again like it started in rdr2...
It wasn't Micah who found Dutch, but Dutch who found Micah. He always found the right company to never stop.
Dutch was always bad, it just became apparent toward the end. He manipulated everyone.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
He sounds and looks so sad
Hosea's death made Dutch heartless, Arthur's death made Dutch into a murderer, he's more than broken 💔
You can see the brakes come off when he kills Angelo Bronte. Even Arthur, who has killed, and seen plenty of people killed looks shocked, because he knows it's a change in Dutch's character.
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"I don't know sport". 5 seconds later "we're fighting for an idea".
"Fair enough"
- Rip van winkle
Is John holding a Colt 9mm?
1911 I guess, game is set in 1914 so...
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"A Colt 9mm" 💀💀💀 No, he's holding a browning. There's no such thing as a "Colt 9mm", there's a Colt .45 though which finished development in 1911.
I loved every interaction between Dutch and John. They always showed how simple John was, his dialogue always being something simple and dismissive such as "I guess so" or "that's their business" while Dutch is a very intelligent but deranged man, often talking endlessly about his greater plans and philosophical views on the world.
Any semblance of love he had for the old gang was completely gone by the time of rdr1
Thing is that, Micah didn’t make Dutch lose his mind, he even said to Arthur in chapter 1 ”I know you haven’t thought much of my ideas lately” then Dutch lost Sean, got a concussion during the trolley, losing his best friend (Hosea) and went more insane. Then Micah took the advantage of that and in American Venom Dutch shot Micah for 1 of 3 reasons, he realized he was played, he did it for Arthur, but most likely a rival for power
This game is really different after playing rdr2. Damn I miss the old Dutch
Dutch understood the reality of what comes with that life. He knew he was at the bottom of everything, he knew that his old ass was running on a timer. "Family"
Dutch gives off massive Negan vibes
"They already lost their families"
"So did you dutch" would have been a great response
Poor Dutch, he was a man with honor. Now he's a man without reason. ( Remember RDR2 was a prequel to RDR.)
Dutch is the best character in the history of games. You can see how he changes along rdr1 and rdr2.
This is really sad when you think about everything Dutch and John went through in Rdr2, he still talks like he did back in 1899, but now it's even more hollow than before. At this point Dutch is just killing and robbing to do it, there's no method in his madness anymore. He's not even visibly crazed or nothing, just doing what comes naturally.
God RDR 2 makes Dutch's fall from grace so tragic. There were two versions of Dutch in my head the gentle "Our time has passed, when I'm gone they're going to just make another monster" That was the leader John knew, that was the Dutch we saw in the opening chapters of this game. A flawed man, an outlaw, and a good man. "I don't know, Sport I guess?" That's the Dutch who just lost his damn mind, who fell to far and he knows it too. He knows that the buck stopped with him. Yeah Micha helped but at the end of the day, Dutch was the boss, he had the power to say no. However, he doesn't want to admit he was wrong so he just decided to embrace the monster he became and it's just so to said to see.
Playing rdr1 after rdr2 is a completely unique experience