All the mods to make John look and feel like his npc self. It also gives John rdr1 outfits and the option to remove the off hand holster and satchel Lennys Mod Loader: www.rdr2mods.com/downloads/rdr2/tools/76-lennys-mod-loader-rdr/ ScriptHookRDR2 V2: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1472 John Marston Restoration Project: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/478 There is the JMRP V3.57 folder, just copy and paste it to the lml folder. There is the bonus files folder, open the Outfit Files folder, then open the All Optional Outfit files folder copy everything and paste the files to the JMRP V3.57 folder. There is the JMRP_Streaming_Files folder, copy and paste that to the JMRP V3.57 folder as well. There is a folder called Changed Pronghorn Outfits, open the folder, copy the file in the folder and paste it in to the JMRP V3.57 folder. Start the game and go to the Fence Vanilla John Marston Enhanced: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1476 Extended John Marston Animations: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1420 1.00 Fitment: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/855 1.00 Facial Animations: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/805
The worst part for me is that they did go that extra step and made his own playable model (which can be seen in pre-release shots), animations, hairstyles, and looks for different weight levels but cut all of it and replaced it with what we got instead.
Which is nuts, considering that they had already made Johns lore accurate model. The change seems so unnecessary and odd and... FWW, I know, but, kinda ruins playing as him a bit.
I will never understand why they did that? When I first played the game I couldn't wait to play as John in the end and to actually feel like I'm playing rdr1 again but with better graphics and gameplay but instead I got a darker haired copy of Arthur😭
Ye I never understood why they didn’t change John’s hair. I mean the developers were sooo precise on all other details except for this fucking thing. Like just why?!
And they were with John as well, they just cut it all. He originally had his own model, hairstyles, animations, and looks for different weight levels. The model can be seen in the pre-release screenshots.
You really think they are going to fix anything not game breaking in story mode? Hell i can’t even play five finger fillet properly because where the time is it just says “Message” and that has been years since that bug has been there. If they won’t fix anything that small i highly doubt they will do anything with John.
Because they were behind with the development and they needed to hit the dead line, seeing how many delays they already had, i can understand why they did it, but they could have fix it through a patch later, but they never did it
@@SQOUREE maybe, but I disagree considering they had the story developed since 2012 if we go by Roger Clark saying that was the year he auditioned for the role. To me personally RDR2 is just off, it changes so much compared to what you would understand from RDR’s dialogue about John’s past. If you look at RDR2 as a whole the writing is just bad and doesn’t make a lot of sense. The game is unfinished.
@@RodgerSkeltonmost of the story beats make no sense but fanboys are distracted by the fact that the world looks pretty and you can grab cans of beans for some reason. Like wtf was the whole point of the Tahiti chapter?
Worst thing about all of this that really bothers me is that they added the accurate cowboy outfit with the unbuttoned vest IN ONLINE MODE. Just shows rockstar can really do something to fix epilogue john but they just won't.
Because no one complains about it. All the rdr2/Arthur fanboys might even find ways to cope that there's no problem with John. But don't complain about things people its bad and makes you look pathetic.(I'm being serious)
What you should complain abt is that they don’t have the legendary mount/prestige system in online😭 dude that was so cool getting legendary mounts from bulls to zebra donkeys and could play as any character you wanted… The gang hideouts felt special bc there was a legendary weapon at each one:/ well some like the rolling block/high power pistol from Mexico hideout Mauser pistol from twin rocks and Lemat 2 shot revolver at fort Mercer God it was soooooo good man how did they… god imagine GTA V online peak S+++ tier but all that other shi added to it😭 I NEED BRO TO TALK ABOUT THIS
@@retr0-x9obecause there really isn't a problem. all of you softpussies are whining and whining about superficial bullshit like mexico being unnaccessible (while also complaining about New Austin having no content), i mean, this game took like 8 years in development, at least be grateful about the story, the small details, and the opportunity to see John back after 8 years without a rdr game
@@ilikechicken5524 I’d disagree. They put tons of focus and creativity into aspects of the game that you’ll notice once each playthrough, but dropped the ball in terms of the one things you are always looking at doing everything anywhere, the character. Also they made GBs of content that was axed, but never bothered to give full reign of customization.
bring us back the golden days of rockstar where they cared about their fans and released singleplayer dlcs and didnt ruin one of their iconic protagonist
@@Uncle1278ye I get that they ruined John but idk why these people act as if Rockstar just committed some unforgivable sin and RDR2 isn't their best game ever
What does that even mean? He was mewing like a cat?? 🫤 Sorry, I'm old compared to most RDR fans, and i don't really understand the way kids talk these days 😅😅
I’ll never understand why they just pasted Johns face on Arthur’s character model. They didn’t have to create an extra model, as they already had created John for the main story, all they had to do with fix the way to clothes, items, etc, fit on him. And also some animation changes. I know nothing about that kind of stuff but It doesn’t seem that hard, especially for a multi billion dollar company.
The animations could have been fixed easily since many of his rdr1 animations were in the game files and you could see some of the rdr1 animations in a mirror in first person
Initially I recall players referring to John's original epilogue model as 'anorexic John'. Rockstar tried to rectify things and over compensated. We didnt know how good we had it till it was taken away.
Wayyy back in 2018 the way John advanced over the epilogue was weird. For the majority of it his frame was tiny and he just looked… odd. But around building the homestead he fills out more and looked normal. It was weird when he was updated and looked HUGE then
iirc anorexic John was a bug in the weight system, not intentional design. for me in November 2018, Arthur didn't lose any weight from TB and epilogue John looked like crash bandicoot until you reloaded a save.
I always wonder why does epilogue John look so much like Arthur? John is supposed to be smaller and skinnier than Arthur. He looks almost identical to Arthur in the epilogue. Now I know the reason. Thanks for pointing all of this out, man.
the main reason i had mods was how unoriginal john was he's just arthur with a black hair with john's face put on with surgery along with his vocal cords and acts like he can't swim mods make it so you both get his animations and body shape
It does. I do It on my game. Ill try to explain the steps. 1 - leave your ps4 storage almost full, just around the size of the game without updates. For rdr2, you'll need to leave around 100gb of free storage (I only know how to do It on the ps4, you can try something similar on xbox tho). 2- start the game's download. 3- the download will fail for not enough free storage. 4- here you'll need to be fast and start the trick. Go to download management, click on "continue" to start the download and then fast while it loads the download, click on it again and pause download. 5- Go to the console connection part on configs and turn the internet connection off. 6- Go back to download management and click to continue the download. 7- Go back to configs, connection and turn on the internet connection again. 8- done, just wait the download.
Man rockstars fucked up the real john Marston they ruined his hair gave arthurs only darker and didn't keep his chapter 1,2,3,4,5,6 outfits damn you rockstars
What if Arthurs spirit became attached to John Marston, after his death, and serectly took over John Martsons body to live once more to get revenge on Micha and Dutch...? Just a theory... Also alot of people did enjoy play as Arthur Morgan, so maybe Rockstar decided to make John look more like Arthur, so that could be why John Martson, looks more like Arthur Morgan.
I'm not sure if this is a joke and if it is, then fair enough. But why would Arthur's spirit posses his body and then leave again just in time for RDR1's events. Also how would Rockstar know that people would enjoy playing as Arthur as much they did that they'd change John in advance to look like him. For all they know people dislike him, find him lame or are mostly apathetic and they just changed the other already beloved protagonist to look like him. Because in the now, we have people who are very annoyed that they did.
i bet if rockstar had at most one more year to work on the game it would be so much better. better epilogue john, full guarma (there was supposed to be 3 chapters and a massive map to explore in guarma) would be such a good game
its really crazy to understand that they had originally more normal looking John from the release, but then with patches they intentionally started to make him more worse, or to be exact, more Arthur-like
@@M3TAH34Dthey released the gta 6 trailer a year ago, they are focusing on making gta 6 now, they can’t afford to do 2 separate projects at once, especially on how on demand gta 6 is, plus they probably have a deadline too, which is why rdr2 had to cut a bunch of stuff including the entire guarma island and other gunslingers.
@@brandonott6103its not just the face, have you even watched the video? And no he doesnt look amazing. Just because you are a arthur fanboy doesnt mean the facts are not there
@@kenjaeger1162 I played rdr1 too and loved it, just the same as everyone else when rdr2 came out and before, I wanted to play as John and not Arthur. I still like John more to this day, so you’re wrong on that. And in my opinion rdr2 John being a bit inaccurate along with his body, I don’t really care since rockstar already gave us so much in the game and a few issues is nothing.
Yes tbh I'd be fine with playing on 1.0 especially since alot of fun glitches can be done. But it sucks not having the lemat revolver and evans repeater in story mode in 1.0
Idk or understand how they managed to let you play as three different characters with completely different models in gta 5 and simultaneously switch between them at any given time but they couldn't give us a proper John with his original character model 6 years later??? Shame on Rockstar they sold out and Gta 6 wont be as good as people think, sad but true.
Facts. GTA6 is going to be some kind of MKUltra manipulation thing, they know like 80% of young men will play it at some point…they (3 letter agencies) are going to do something dark with it.
The first time i played the epilogue i could see some weird details on John face (Dark, dark tone hair, big face like Arthur's, and a weak beard). then i found out that they just copy n paste arthur's body (while having the John NPC model alr finished). Here where i live everyone says that RDR2 is the perfect game with no flaws, while having an abomination of character model
Rockstar are lucky that most RDR2 fans were too young to have played the first one. There would've been outrage otherwise. Not that I think it's something worth needing that kind of outrage, but this did kind of go unnoticed due to how many people were completely oblivious to RDR1.
Johns hair pisses me off so goddamn much cause in the mission pictures john was shown with his 1899 hair so the devs could do it but they wont, WHY. JOHNS 1899 HAIR IS SO GODDAMN BADASS, WHY ROCKSTAR, WHY
Great video! I did know about his hair and his missing outfits but that was it. Seeing all this is just really upsetting, but im going to get a pc soon so im going to be able to mod john 😃
As a John Marston fanboy, it pains me that I can’t have that restored model and RDR1 animations from PC because I play on PS. Maybe someday they will fix it
Epilogue isn’t really that rushed. The whole point of it is to do a solid job of explaining events that lead to the first name. We get 20 missions that showcases John settling down and becoming fully committed to his family, why the agents find him, why he and Dutch don’t completely hate each other even after chapter 6, and the farm being built all in that time. It’s rushed a little, but even then that’s an over exaggeration. Too much filler makes a story lag. It does its job well. Guarma on the other hand was a bit rushed, but even then, the way the story was set up makes sense why they leave quick
When you have 40+ hours of game programming with one character, it would be really hard to adapt the game to the new model, so they just changed the model in minute but noticeable ways so the game works. I happened to notice the changes first with the way his hair grows not being able to grow out into what he has in the first game or before the epilogue
Wait, let me see if I understand. So the model of John that we control in the epilogue, is not the same one that we see throughout the game while we control Arthur?
@@JohnMarston004 Since I saw this video, I can't help but notice it, before I practically didn't realize it, but now I do. I uses the same haircut and beard style that i used with Arthur and he looks pretty much like him but with black hair color.
@@misterx9854 Yeah its really annoying. If you're on pc you can install the mods i mentioned and if you're on console you can revert the version to 1.00 if you have the physical copy. John looks better in version 1.00
"If rockstar cared about their fans" i think thats a very unfair thing to say. We are talking about one of the most detalied games any of us have ever played
Yes the individual developers that made all the details are great but we are talking about the overall whole company and rockstar doesnt care about their fans anymore. Just look at this video for example, if they would really care they would have updated the game and made john better but they just made him worse trough updates. Or look at red dead online
They really butchered John bc wtf was rockstar on? I remember being so excited to be playing as John but the next thing I know, he has mostly if not all of Arthur’s features just copy pasted onto him like you said. I guess the best thing for me as a console player is to make him look like John by giving him the longer length 5 hair right parted with the length 2 or 3 stubble or giving him a more defined mustache like the pencil one. If they decide to remaster the game on next gen like for the ps5, rockstar should definitely put reworking on Marston at the top of their list.
Another thing I didn’t like was that John is jacked like Arthur in the epilogue but he has an average build in the main story and RD1. It gets old with the trend of having main characters be jacked up and curvy over actually looking like real people
im not gonna lie. I completely understand the outfit situation, but everything else is lazy and strange. My vouch for outfits is that he probably wanted to forget about his past life and move on from what he used to do.
A lot of the game had to be trimmed, cut, or otherwise abandoned due to time constrants to get the game out by release schedule. The epilogue was one of those things, apparently according to Rob Weithoff, the epilogue might not have been planned from the beginning. Initially John was going to have the 1899 hair style in the epilogue, but they needed him to have the same customization potential as Arthur, so they redesigned his face to better match Arthur's hairstyles, dyed the hair dark gray, and called it a day. As for John not acting like John from Redemption 1, my theory is they wanted the player to prefer Arthur so they go back and play the game again or something along those lines. John is portrayed as a naive man that doesn't know a lot about a lot of things. Epilogue dialogue makes you think John doesn't even know what bounty hunters are. For example: "I work for the government... err sort of." that sort of stuff. It takes away from the stoic badass we know from the first game, and while technically yeah there's no reason they can't be the same person with a little offcamera character development, thats kinda the important character development that should've been on screen. We see a lot of how John went from outlaw to rancher, but not how he went from punk kid that doesn't know what he's doing to sarcastic badass that requires the actual fuckin army to take down. That's the character growth we would've wanted to see more of, and it happened off camera in the four years before Red dead 1, despite the 8 years prior to the epilogue where that development could've started. tldr: the epilogue isn't about john or his own personal character development. its more fan service to link the games better, focusing more on the story aspect. we find it boring because its just a lot of ranching and idle work, with a few action sections sprinkled here and there, which would work well if it focused more on the characters and fleshed them out more, made them more human and thorough. making john dull works to the epilogue's detriment because it's not very action packed, so we can't ignore it if we tried. i think thats partly on purpose to encourage the player to prefer Arthur. Had we gotten a more red dead 1-like john marston in the epilogue, Arthur would be a little less impactful as we get to play as our beloved john marston again. Though obviously Arthur would still be just as loved, perhaps Rockstar was preparing for the worst, so they dumbed John down to make Arthur seem better by comparison.
i think it has something to do with the weight system. depending on your weight, it will change your entire body to underweight, overweight, athletic, etc. i think that they didn't have enough time to add every single body style and instead just opted to instead put john's face model onto arthur's and call it a day
I might be over dramatic, but Im not kidding, I didnt explore even a kittle after completing the game because his character model was too hard to look at.
Biggest crime is you can't use 1899 outfit lol That is indeed best John Marston look. RDR1 look is super overrated but they didn't even made that outfit correct
I knew there was something off about his model in the epilogue but I just couldn't put the words to it. Maybe they morphed Johns model into Arthurs to prevent issues with the clothing and hats clipping or something idk
Rockstar if you don’t wanna fix something you easily can, just ask modders if they can fix it and add it to a new patch. it’s that simple, no one cares about growing hair or 1 item clipping through other clothes man. Just give console players 1899 john.
Thought this was going to be talking about his writing even though that argument’s been done for years, but no I never actually even realized how wonky his epilogue face is
They also messed up his scars. In RDR2 they're diagonal while in RDR1 they're horizontal. His lower scar sort of curvs into a diagonal position but in RDR2 they could be described as straight lines
i do remember because i played on ps4 when it first released the game Epilogue John looked much better to bad that my pc cant handle rdr2 i havent played rdr1 but the difference is real
There is also a third solution. Stay as Arthur in chapter 2, 3 or 4 forever. As a ps4 player here I hate playing as John, but I love him as a character and I would love to play as him in rdr1. I just need to buy this game that’s all
I thought i was the only one who thought of the Arthur solution lol. And yeah I am gonna stick with it until I buy a PC and mod John to look like himself!!!
This proves ignorance is bliss, before I never noticed it because my inner child was just happy to be playing as John again, but now I can't unsee it, he's just Arthur with a scar on his face and hair dye. Thanks R*...I fucking hate it.
To be fair, you can’t really blame Rockstar. Whenever they have to push out a game it give the devs so little time to fix the product they reveal. I wouldn’t be surprised if John in epilogue was already broken enough. I think that’s why it feels so rushed in a sense. If rockstar had more time I’m sure we would’ve had better customization for John Marston. That’s just my opinion. Even still rockstar can drop an update fixing some of these issues or at least add his npc hair as an option.
This makes sense now that you have pointed it out, I knew John looked fucking off at the end and I couldn’t pin point why, and he looks great in the cutscenes as an npc really dumb lazy work from rockstar especially since the entire game is supposed to be a love letter to John marston
Glad i aint the only one who got triggered by his look in RDR2, btw am i the only one who thinks he looks younger in RDR1 than RDR2 despite being after lol
And they won’t even listen to fans at all they refuse to update the damn game they spoil gta online too much and that game is fucking 5 years older than rdr 2 they even continue to update rdr online but not story mode!
Can you help me? I downloaded the outfits files folder but it doesnt work properly. I can buy the clothes from fence but when i go to the wardrobe it lags and for example when im trying to use open thompson vest it lags and has black hole in the middle
just letting you guys know that rdr2 was planned before rdr was even finished and a lot of pre planning and actual work that was being made for rdr2 was done by team members that were gone by the time of its release. a lot of content and especially end game content was done or finished by other developers. this probably included. rockstar is not the same rockstar that created gta v or previous games. literally the only guy left from the old days is the CEO, Sam Houser, and a lot of people left BECAUSE of him
no wonder, It just felt like I'm playing Arthur 2.0, I tried to make him look like him uk with just haircut and beard trim it still made me feel like nah he still doesn't look like Marston. Although, I won't be altering that with mods, it kinda just 'makes sense' why it felt weird playing as John in the epilogue...
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All the mods to make John look and feel like his npc self. It also gives John rdr1 outfits and the option to remove the off hand holster and satchel
Lennys Mod Loader: www.rdr2mods.com/downloads/rdr2/tools/76-lennys-mod-loader-rdr/
ScriptHookRDR2 V2: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1472
John Marston Restoration Project: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/478
There is the JMRP V3.57 folder, just copy and paste it to the lml folder. There is the bonus files folder, open the Outfit Files folder, then open the All Optional Outfit files folder copy everything and paste the files to the JMRP V3.57 folder. There is the JMRP_Streaming_Files folder, copy and paste that to the JMRP V3.57 folder as well. There is a folder called Changed Pronghorn Outfits, open the folder, copy the file in the folder and paste it in to the JMRP V3.57 folder. Start the game and go to the Fence
Vanilla John Marston Enhanced: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1476
Extended John Marston Animations: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1420
1.00 Fitment: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/855
1.00 Facial Animations: www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/805
cant wait to play epilogue again with these mods!
Is there going to be a reddead redemption 3
@@damianlance3456 Yeah maybe but its gonna take a long time
is 1911 John Marston mod compatible with all these mods you have listed?
@@George-um2vc Sry for late response but i think it should be, except for vanilla john marston enhanced
Rockstar: programms that horse balls shrink in cold areas
Also Rockstar: copy paste Arthurs body parts on John
Ye I know. It’s fucked up right.
The worst part for me is that they did go that extra step and made his own playable model (which can be seen in pre-release shots), animations, hairstyles, and looks for different weight levels but cut all of it and replaced it with what we got instead.
Which is nuts, considering that they had already made Johns lore accurate model. The change seems so unnecessary and odd and... FWW, I know, but, kinda ruins playing as him a bit.
I will never understand why they did that? When I first played the game I couldn't wait to play as John in the end and to actually feel like I'm playing rdr1 again but with better graphics and gameplay but instead I got a darker haired copy of Arthur😭
He was perfect even the clothes like the ranch pants and vest why r*
Ye I never understood why they didn’t change John’s hair. I mean the developers were sooo precise on all other details except for this fucking thing. Like just why?!
and the fact that his body type is sm more different than arthurs too and they didnt even change that
And they were with John as well, they just cut it all. He originally had his own model, hairstyles, animations, and looks for different weight levels. The model can be seen in the pre-release screenshots.
You really think they are going to fix anything not game breaking in story mode? Hell i can’t even play five finger fillet properly because where the time is it just says “Message” and that has been years since that bug has been there. If they won’t fix anything that small i highly doubt they will do anything with John.
@@Chicken_Wing91 I know…
@@Chicken_Wing91 but hey. We got horse balls.
Therapist
jarthur marthon isn't real he can't hurt you
Jarthur marthon
It would be either Morton or Marsgan, where tf would you get ”Marthon”
@@VammainenLehma
That could work to
@@Bushmasterghillie no it wouldn’t? Also it’s spelt too not to.
@@VammainenLehma
I meant your idea could work
Johnthur Morgstan
look how they massacred my boy
iconic.
Gotta love the modders, They are always the ones that fix the problems that a triple a studio couldnt bother fixing themselves
John’s npc model was so good, it’s clear that they rushed the epilogue.
Because they were behind with the development and they needed to hit the dead line, seeing how many delays they already had, i can understand why they did it, but they could have fix it through a patch later, but they never did it
@@SQOUREE atleast we have mods to fix it all ourselves
@@desktopsa2bceo124console players...
@@SQOUREE maybe, but I disagree considering they had the story developed since 2012 if we go by Roger Clark saying that was the year he auditioned for the role.
To me personally RDR2 is just off, it changes so much compared to what you would understand from RDR’s dialogue about John’s past.
If you look at RDR2 as a whole the writing is just bad and doesn’t make a lot of sense. The game is unfinished.
@@RodgerSkeltonmost of the story beats make no sense but fanboys are distracted by the fact that the world looks pretty and you can grab cans of beans for some reason. Like wtf was the whole point of the Tahiti chapter?
Johrtur Morgston
Thank you lol this is disappointing
CURSED
Worst thing about all of this that really bothers me is that they added the accurate cowboy outfit with the unbuttoned vest IN ONLINE MODE. Just shows rockstar can really do something to fix epilogue john but they just won't.
Because no one complains about it.
All the rdr2/Arthur fanboys might even find ways to cope that there's no problem with John.
But don't complain about things people its bad and makes you look pathetic.(I'm being serious)
What you should complain abt is that they don’t have the legendary mount/prestige system in online😭 dude that was so cool getting legendary mounts from bulls to zebra donkeys and could play as any character you wanted…
The gang hideouts felt special bc there was a legendary weapon at each one:/ well some like the rolling block/high power pistol from Mexico hideout Mauser pistol from twin rocks and Lemat 2 shot revolver at fort Mercer
God it was soooooo good man how did they… god imagine GTA V online peak S+++ tier but all that other shi added to it😭
I NEED BRO TO TALK ABOUT THIS
@@retr0-x9obecause there really isn't a problem. all of you softpussies are whining and whining about superficial bullshit like mexico being unnaccessible (while also complaining about New Austin having no content), i mean, this game took like 8 years in development, at least be grateful about the story, the small details, and the opportunity to see John back after 8 years without a rdr game
Because nobody really cares that the vest is buttoned instead of unbuttoned.. that's more of a super fan issue
@@ilikechicken5524 I’d disagree. They put tons of focus and creativity into aspects of the game that you’ll notice once each playthrough, but dropped the ball in terms of the one things you are always looking at doing everything anywhere, the character. Also they made GBs of content that was axed, but never bothered to give full reign of customization.
Epilogue john is like looking at yourself in your front camera and npc john is like looking at yourself in the mirror
Fans : "I can't wait to play as John Marston in the epilogue!"
R* : "Johnthur Morgston"
they decided that shrinking horse balls was more important than a good character model
Even the gameplay :(
Abigail definitely didn't mary john for that yee yee ah haircut style
What??..
@@AirGoddess1087i understood that reference
bring us back the golden days of rockstar where they cared about their fans and released singleplayer dlcs and didnt ruin one of their iconic protagonist
True, but it is their greatest game tho
@@Uncle1278ye I get that they ruined John but idk why these people act as if Rockstar just committed some unforgivable sin and RDR2 isn't their best game ever
@@Wertyber it is
@@Wertyber "Bring back to golden age" when we are still technically in it. They just take longer to make games.
@@usmcsnyper3148exactly GTA 6 is their biggest game yet
Its kind of unsettling how John just kind of becomes arthur in the epilogue like he absorbed his soup
John was mewing for those 8 years
Jim Mewlton
What does that even mean? He was mewing like a cat?? 🫤 Sorry, I'm old compared to most RDR fans, and i don't really understand the way kids talk these days 😅😅
@@AirGoddess1087 basically building the jaw muscle with constant movement so the jaw become wider
I’ll never understand why they just pasted Johns face on Arthur’s character model. They didn’t have to create an extra model, as they already had created John for the main story, all they had to do with fix the way to clothes, items, etc, fit on him. And also some animation changes. I know nothing about that kind of stuff but It doesn’t seem that hard, especially for a multi billion dollar company.
The animations could have been fixed easily since many of his rdr1 animations were in the game files and you could see some of the rdr1 animations in a mirror in first person
It's because they ran out of time.
They were under a crunch and were tired AF, so they speedran the epilogue development. And then they didn't bother to fix it because capitalism.
In an alternate universe rockstar didn’t mess him up. Unfortunately not in this one
Initially I recall players referring to John's original epilogue model as 'anorexic John'. Rockstar tried to rectify things and over compensated. We didnt know how good we had it till it was taken away.
Wayyy back in 2018 the way John advanced over the epilogue was weird. For the majority of it his frame was tiny and he just looked… odd. But around building the homestead he fills out more and looked normal. It was weird when he was updated and looked HUGE then
because players just got done playing arthur who’s huge and is like 6’2 or something and john’s like 5’10
@@fvrlitJohn’s 6’2 in RDR1
@@Tuxin1 he's 5'10 and significantly skinnier than arthur
iirc anorexic John was a bug in the weight system, not intentional design. for me in November 2018, Arthur didn't lose any weight from TB and epilogue John looked like crash bandicoot until you reloaded a save.
I always wonder why does epilogue John look so much like Arthur? John is supposed to be smaller and skinnier than Arthur. He looks almost identical to Arthur in the epilogue. Now I know the reason. Thanks for pointing all of this out, man.
I never realized just how bad the model was
The lack of his npc outfits is the biggest let down imo
the main reason i had mods was how unoriginal john was
he's just arthur with a black hair with john's face put on with surgery along with his vocal cords
and acts like he can't swim
mods make it so you both get his animations and body shape
It does. I do It on my game. Ill try to explain the steps.
1 - leave your ps4 storage almost full, just around the size of the game without updates. For rdr2, you'll need to leave around 100gb of free storage (I only know how to do It on the ps4, you can try something similar on xbox tho).
2- start the game's download.
3- the download will fail for not enough free storage.
4- here you'll need to be fast and start the trick. Go to download management, click on "continue" to start the download and then fast while it loads the download, click on it again and pause download.
5- Go to the console connection part on configs and turn the internet connection off.
6- Go back to download management and click to continue the download.
7- Go back to configs, connection and turn on the internet connection again.
8- done, just wait the download.
@themadtitan7603 here
can ya make a video?
to do what?
What is the purpose of this
I think you commented on the wrong video
John's NPC hair fits him so well
Man rockstars fucked up the real john Marston they ruined his hair gave arthurs only darker and didn't keep his chapter 1,2,3,4,5,6 outfits damn you rockstars
What if Arthurs spirit became attached to John Marston, after his death, and serectly took over John Martsons body to live once more to get revenge on Micha and Dutch...? Just a theory... Also alot of people did enjoy play as Arthur Morgan, so maybe Rockstar decided to make John look more like Arthur, so that could be why John Martson, looks more like Arthur Morgan.
Yeah that sounds right 😂
I'm not sure if this is a joke and if it is, then fair enough. But why would Arthur's spirit posses his body and then leave again just in time for RDR1's events. Also how would Rockstar know that people would enjoy playing as Arthur as much they did that they'd change John in advance to look like him. For all they know people dislike him, find him lame or are mostly apathetic and they just changed the other already beloved protagonist to look like him. Because in the now, we have people who are very annoyed that they did.
What is bro yapping about 😂
Just stop
the pinkertons who gun him sown were actually ghost busters
i bet if rockstar had at most one more year to work on the game it would be so much better.
better epilogue john,
full guarma (there was supposed to be 3 chapters and a massive map to explore in guarma)
would be such a good game
i remember i was kinda exited to play as john till i saw how he looked
its really crazy to understand that they had originally more normal looking John from the release, but then with patches they intentionally started to make him more worse, or to be exact, more Arthur-like
Damn this is just so disappointing rockstar really fucking sold with this one
I still don't get why they refuse to update the game ?
It’s not that big of a deal lol. Stop having ocd and worrying about a simple face inaccuracy, he still looks amazing.
@@M3TAH34Dthey released the gta 6 trailer a year ago, they are focusing on making gta 6 now, they can’t afford to do 2 separate projects at once, especially on how on demand gta 6 is, plus they probably have a deadline too, which is why rdr2 had to cut a bunch of stuff including the entire guarma island and other gunslingers.
@@brandonott6103its not just the face, have you even watched the video? And no he doesnt look amazing. Just because you are a arthur fanboy doesnt mean the facts are not there
@@kenjaeger1162 I played rdr1 too and loved it, just the same as everyone else when rdr2 came out and before, I wanted to play as John and not Arthur. I still like John more to this day, so you’re wrong on that. And in my opinion rdr2 John being a bit inaccurate along with his body, I don’t really care since rockstar already gave us so much in the game and a few issues is nothing.
without mods or save editor, 1.00 is the way to go for a decent half accurate john
Yes tbh I'd be fine with playing on 1.0 especially since alot of fun glitches can be done. But it sucks not having the lemat revolver and evans repeater in story mode in 1.0
Idk or understand how they managed to let you play as three different characters with completely different models in gta 5 and simultaneously switch between them at any given time but they couldn't give us a proper John with his original character model 6 years later??? Shame on Rockstar they sold out and Gta 6 wont be as good as people think, sad but true.
Facts. GTA6 is going to be some kind of MKUltra manipulation thing, they know like 80% of young men will play it at some point…they (3 letter agencies) are going to do something dark with it.
What I hated about the new John is that they literally just put his face on Arthur’s body
The first time i played the epilogue i could see some weird details on John face (Dark, dark tone hair, big face like Arthur's, and a weak beard). then i found out that they just copy n paste arthur's body (while having the John NPC model alr finished). Here where i live everyone says that RDR2 is the perfect game with no flaws, while having an abomination of character model
We all hate rockstar for this... And for some other reasons too...
I always felt like he looked too much like Arthur. Nice video, will edit my game 😎👌
I agree, 1899 John is way better than epilogue John.
Honestly the epilogue is really weird and more glitchy if im being honest.
Rockstar are lucky that most RDR2 fans were too young to have played the first one. There would've been outrage otherwise. Not that I think it's something worth needing that kind of outrage, but this did kind of go unnoticed due to how many people were completely oblivious to RDR1.
RD2 fans are a bit cringe
Johns hair pisses me off so goddamn much cause in the mission pictures john was shown with his 1899 hair so the devs could do it but they wont, WHY. JOHNS 1899 HAIR IS SO GODDAMN BADASS, WHY ROCKSTAR, WHY
Great video! I did know about his hair and his missing outfits but that was it. Seeing all this is just really upsetting, but im going to get a pc soon so im going to be able to mod john 😃
John morgan
As a John Marston fanboy, it pains me that I can’t have that restored model and RDR1 animations from PC because I play on PS. Maybe someday they will fix it
They could copy paste Arthur's body for john but not John's body from the previous chapters 💀
None of this makes any sense, they just kept trying to make him more like Arthur and it makes John feel more artificial.
The epilouge and the guarma missions are all so rushed. John was rushed too.
I cannot understand because they DIDNT rush . They had all the time . They had GTA v online money . This just doesn't make sense
Originally they went Mexico instead of Guarma I believe
@@danielcastaneda4975Pretty sure the game had a extremely rough development, its kinda of a miracle it didnt get cancelled
Epilogue isn’t really that rushed. The whole point of it is to do a solid job of explaining events that lead to the first name. We get 20 missions that showcases John settling down and becoming fully committed to his family, why the agents find him, why he and Dutch don’t completely hate each other even after chapter 6, and the farm being built all in that time. It’s rushed a little, but even then that’s an over exaggeration. Too much filler makes a story lag. It does its job well. Guarma on the other hand was a bit rushed, but even then, the way the story was set up makes sense why they leave quick
When you have 40+ hours of game programming with one character, it would be really hard to adapt the game to the new model, so they just changed the model in minute but noticeable ways so the game works. I happened to notice the changes first with the way his hair grows not being able to grow out into what he has in the first game or before the epilogue
It's so stupid that in a game that has such great details they decided to ruin such a simple thing.
Wait, let me see if I understand. So the model of John that we control in the epilogue, is not the same one that we see throughout the game while we control Arthur?
Exactly. Its John but with many of Arthurs body parts and animations
@@JohnMarston004 Since I saw this video, I can't help but notice it, before I practically didn't realize it, but now I do. I uses the same haircut and beard style that i used with Arthur and he looks pretty much like him but with black hair color.
@@misterx9854 Yeah its really annoying. If you're on pc you can install the mods i mentioned and if you're on console you can revert the version to 1.00 if you have the physical copy. John looks better in version 1.00
Basically it's just John's texture slapped on Arthur's model
@@JohnMarston004maybe it helps you think you’re still playing as Arthur when you die as him
"If rockstar cared about their fans" i think thats a very unfair thing to say. We are talking about one of the most detalied games any of us have ever played
Yes the individual developers that made all the details are great but we are talking about the overall whole company and rockstar doesnt care about their fans anymore. Just look at this video for example, if they would really care they would have updated the game and made john better but they just made him worse trough updates. Or look at red dead online
Absolutely false, rockstar doesn't give a damn
@kenjaeger1162 Hopefully that won’t be the same for grand theft auto six when it comes out
Epilogue John mewing.🥶🥶
fuck epilouge john
Should’ve stopped him
What does that even mean? You make it sound like he meows like a cat...
@@AirGoddess1087 look it up lol
They really butchered John bc wtf was rockstar on? I remember being so excited to be playing as John but the next thing I know, he has mostly if not all of Arthur’s features just copy pasted onto him like you said. I guess the best thing for me as a console player is to make him look like John by giving him the longer length 5 hair right parted with the length 2 or 3 stubble or giving him a more defined mustache like the pencil one. If they decide to remaster the game on next gen like for the ps5, rockstar should definitely put reworking on Marston at the top of their list.
Another thing I didn’t like was that John is jacked like Arthur in the epilogue but he has an average build in the main story and RD1. It gets old with the trend of having main characters be jacked up and curvy over actually looking like real people
Arthur ain’t that jacked, he looks plenty realistic. He just has a larger/wider build
Dude i replayed RDR2 and i was questioning if i was tripping because he looked like arthur now than before
Bruh the final epilogue version of john looks like jason we got to play as jason before gta 6 💀
rockstar try not to add minute details that really level up immersion in some places and then fail the most obvious thing challenge
im not gonna lie. I completely understand the outfit situation, but everything else is lazy and strange. My vouch for outfits is that he probably wanted to forget about his past life and move on from what he used to do.
epilogue johns face is so fcking wide..
I knew something wasnt right about john in the epilogue i was like... john really been bulking up looking like a tank just like arthur 😂😂
Its depressing how much greatness was squandered by Rockstar Games
A lot of the game had to be trimmed, cut, or otherwise abandoned due to time constrants to get the game out by release schedule. The epilogue was one of those things, apparently according to Rob Weithoff, the epilogue might not have been planned from the beginning. Initially John was going to have the 1899 hair style in the epilogue, but they needed him to have the same customization potential as Arthur, so they redesigned his face to better match Arthur's hairstyles, dyed the hair dark gray, and called it a day.
As for John not acting like John from Redemption 1, my theory is they wanted the player to prefer Arthur so they go back and play the game again or something along those lines. John is portrayed as a naive man that doesn't know a lot about a lot of things. Epilogue dialogue makes you think John doesn't even know what bounty hunters are. For example: "I work for the government... err sort of." that sort of stuff. It takes away from the stoic badass we know from the first game, and while technically yeah there's no reason they can't be the same person with a little offcamera character development, thats kinda the important character development that should've been on screen. We see a lot of how John went from outlaw to rancher, but not how he went from punk kid that doesn't know what he's doing to sarcastic badass that requires the actual fuckin army to take down. That's the character growth we would've wanted to see more of, and it happened off camera in the four years before Red dead 1, despite the 8 years prior to the epilogue where that development could've started.
tldr: the epilogue isn't about john or his own personal character development. its more fan service to link the games better, focusing more on the story aspect. we find it boring because its just a lot of ranching and idle work, with a few action sections sprinkled here and there, which would work well if it focused more on the characters and fleshed them out more, made them more human and thorough. making john dull works to the epilogue's detriment because it's not very action packed, so we can't ignore it if we tried. i think thats partly on purpose to encourage the player to prefer Arthur. Had we gotten a more red dead 1-like john marston in the epilogue, Arthur would be a little less impactful as we get to play as our beloved john marston again. Though obviously Arthur would still be just as loved, perhaps Rockstar was preparing for the worst, so they dumbed John down to make Arthur seem better by comparison.
Never noticed all of this. Now it makes sense why Arthur's clothes fits perfectly on John.
i think it has something to do with the weight system. depending on your weight, it will change your entire body to underweight, overweight, athletic, etc. i think that they didn't have enough time to add every single body style and instead just opted to instead put john's face model onto arthur's and call it a day
I might be over dramatic, but Im not kidding, I didnt explore even a kittle after completing the game because his character model was too hard to look at.
I think this was the worker's way of saying fuck you to rockstar for making them work, like a hundred hours a week.
Lore of How Rockstar ruined John Marston momentum 100
Biggest crime is you can't use 1899 outfit lol
That is indeed best John Marston look. RDR1 look is super overrated but they didn't even made that outfit correct
they probably didn't do it to "disrespect john fans" but to fit all of the clothing options better since they were made for arthur and not john
For me, in the end of the day, it's still John Marston
And his character model looking slightly different doesn't ruin the game for me
Look at his face
Except for the fact he doesn’t look slightly different he looks like Arthur
I knew there was something off about his model in the epilogue but I just couldn't put the words to it. Maybe they morphed Johns model into Arthurs to prevent issues with the clothing and hats clipping or something idk
Rockstar if you don’t wanna fix something you easily can, just ask modders if they can fix it and add it to a new patch. it’s that simple, no one cares about growing hair or 1 item clipping through other clothes man. Just give console players 1899 john.
Thought this was going to be talking about his writing even though that argument’s been done for years, but no I never actually even realized how wonky his epilogue face is
Onece I was playing rdr2 and my mom said wait I thought Arthur died and I said this is John that just proves that they look the same😭
They also messed up his scars. In RDR2 they're diagonal while in RDR1 they're horizontal. His lower scar sort of curvs into a diagonal position but in RDR2 they could be described as straight lines
that's not John, that's Jim Milton
Ive seen people in rdo make characters in the creator that look more like John than rockstars version.
There is no excuse this is so confusing.
i do remember because i played on ps4 when it first released the game Epilogue John looked much better to bad that my pc cant handle rdr2 i havent played rdr1 but the difference is real
He looks like Tobias and not John Marston.
Maybe if all fans pressured rockstar, they would definitely do some change
Broken John and the mods to fix it is one of the main reasons why I made the jump to PC Gaming. That and Doom Eternal Edgy mods
for me it was GTA 5 mods, rockstar seems to have this effect lol.
There is also a third solution. Stay as Arthur in chapter 2, 3 or 4 forever. As a ps4 player here I hate playing as John, but I love him as a character and I would love to play as him in rdr1. I just need to buy this game that’s all
I thought i was the only one who thought of the Arthur solution lol.
And yeah I am gonna stick with it until I buy a PC and mod John to look like himself!!!
This proves ignorance is bliss, before I never noticed it because my inner child was just happy to be playing as John again, but now I can't unsee it, he's just Arthur with a scar on his face and hair dye.
Thanks R*...I fucking hate it.
ROCKSTAR BETTER HIDE THIER BABY OIL ON THIS ONE
Why can’t they just fix it now
they forgot about it
Anybody know how to restore his voice lines while riding? Once heard of a mod that would do that, but I can't remember the name or where to find
bro like wtf why they changed it
what a dumb decision
Cry more
I mean it’s stupid they just copied and pasted John’s face on Arthur but with how well written the story was
To be fair, you can’t really blame Rockstar. Whenever they have to push out a game it give the devs so little time to fix the product they reveal. I wouldn’t be surprised if John in epilogue was already broken enough. I think that’s why it feels so rushed in a sense. If rockstar had more time I’m sure we would’ve had better customization for John Marston. That’s just my opinion. Even still rockstar can drop an update fixing some of these issues or at least add his npc hair as an option.
Oh I can blame them. They ruined the model with multiple updates. It already looked bad, and they made it worse.
I blame them just fine. They're a multi billion dollar company. They ain't no indie dev
Didn't rockstar say that they didn't have enough time making the epilouge?
Maybe Arthur Morgan is in John Marston's bodie.
Arthur Morgan: I'm still alive but i told him not to look back so I can put my soul into his body.
I knew Rock* didnt care about its game buyers/fans since they disabled GTA Online on PS3.
May they be cursed for it.
even R* devs are lazy too
This makes sense now that you have pointed it out, I knew John looked fucking off at the end and I couldn’t pin point why, and he looks great in the cutscenes as an npc really dumb lazy work from rockstar especially since the entire game is supposed to be a love letter to John marston
oh good lord what have they done to him
Glad i aint the only one who got triggered by his look in RDR2, btw am i the only one who thinks he looks younger in RDR1 than RDR2 despite being after lol
And they won’t even listen to fans at all they refuse to update the damn game they spoil gta online too much and that game is fucking 5 years older than rdr 2 they even continue to update rdr online but not story mode!
Can you help me? I downloaded the outfits files folder but it doesnt work properly. I can buy the clothes from fence but when i go to the wardrobe it lags and for example when im trying to use open thompson vest it lags and has black hole in the middle
just letting you guys know that rdr2 was planned before rdr was even finished and a lot of pre planning and actual work that was being made for rdr2 was done by team members that were gone by the time of its release. a lot of content and especially end game content was done or finished by other developers. this probably included. rockstar is not the same rockstar that created gta v or previous games. literally the only guy left from the old days is the CEO, Sam Houser, and a lot of people left BECAUSE of him
no wonder, It just felt like I'm playing Arthur 2.0, I tried to make him look like him uk with just haircut and beard trim it still made me feel like nah he still doesn't look like Marston. Although, I won't be altering that with mods, it kinda just 'makes sense' why it felt weird playing as John in the epilogue...
We need rockstar to fix that
I don’t mind, I’m fine with it my stupid ass never noticed it.
idk lol its so obvious