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@@CastIronFist awesome to have you! I mostly do capoeira now. Have done kickboxing, Muay Thai, boxing, aikido, BJJ, kungfu, and karate. But right now I’m just dancing because I got braces. When I get my braces off I’m gonna get wrecked in sparring 😂😂 What about you?
@@FightCommentary Officially a Taekwondo black belt, but my instructor was about the blended martial arts from the beginning so we did everything from judo to wing Chun. Now I teach Kickboxing. I was impressed with your martial arts vernacular, I figured only a guy with some level of traditional training would have that wide base of knowledge lol also, dancers make great fighters so boogie on l.
@@CastIronFist please feel free to send me footage any time too! I love to see non standard styles like what you likely do. I’m on IG, Facebook etc. same name.
There is a difference between a bad MMA fighter and an MMA fighter who is "incomplete" as Jon Jones would say. Guys like Ben Askren are a good example of a good fighter who had a serious flaw that was exploited.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues do you think that Ben's health and age was what caught up to him? He fought some killers in One, especially some submission experts, but by the time he got to UFC he was pretty worn out.
I think the mistake of the kickboxer is he just did low kicks and did not set up anything like a hook or maybe straights. I'm not sure maybe he just did low kicks for checking the Judoka. The thing with good grapplers regardless of martial arts is they often capitalize on the mistakes of their opponent. But kudos to the judoka for being so patient
@@maxk880 KB raczej miał styczność z parterem, to gdy odwrócił pozycję, trzeba czuć ciężar przeciwnika, tutaj siła nie pomoże... inna nauczana podobna technika jest przez pchnięcie ręką pod pachą przeciwnika... ja na sparingach no-gi BJJ gdy mnie powstrzymują od użycia innej techniki ucieczki najczęściej robię podobnie jak KB na dole...
Using lowkick with chin protection is useless. He should have went to boxing instead and he was stupid going in a clinch with a judoka, should have just pushed him away.
Low kicks are some of the most important techniques against grapplers. Because not only the kickboxing effect of hurting the legs and crippling movement, but also because It deters level changed against grapplers. They are very important to keep them out of reach. And if you are on hook Rangel you are un clinch range because grapplers just charge in. Strikers win if they are able to create threats with low kicks, and with a good jab walking backwards, but if the striker tries to go into the pocket they Risk getting clinched and a grappler snowballs from there.
Leg kicks with pads isn't nearly as effective as a bare shin so got to factor that in . But it made dude drop his hands and I agree, some follow up may have worked out . People learn in 3's , so throw 2 low then fake the 3rd and go high with something. It's a classic for a reason !
Harai goshi, kesa gatame and hadaka jime. Harai goshi is the throw he used, its called sweeping hip throw in english. Then he followed it up with kesa gatame or scarf pin/hold in english. Then ended it with a rear naked choke, hadaka jime. Neither of his techniques seemed to be very high level. But its always extra difficult to pull of techniques like this when you are under pressure. Great job from both fighter.
@@FightCommentary yes. We had a lot of fun with that in our judo class in Norway. The triangle choke is called sangaku jime. We often refer to it as Songoku jime 🤣 it makes it easier to remember.
@@mandag34 appreciate you explaining. I’m going to start adopting judo terms because the c word in English might upset RUclips. So what is the difference between the two words for triangle that you used?
@@FightCommentary sankaku jime is the actual word for triangle choke. Songoku is the beloved dragonball character. But the words sound very similar and therefor i was able to memorise it.
I enjoyed watching this from that old style vs style perspective, it's fun to watch people try to make their main style work against something who does something different. Great throw by the Judo guy. Saying that, man, that ground work was embarrassing, but not surprising. Having trained Judo at the 3rd largest club in the US, a very competitive club with a lot of international champs, I'm not surprised at all, cause there's a lot less focus on grappling, and the rules of Judo comps only give you a short amount of time to either get a submission before you're stood up again, so a lot of people can stall in defensive positions, which doesn’t give much incentive to train grappling. On top of that, you can win with pins, which creates even less incentive to win with submissions... I realize I'm saying all this in the context of him winning via submission, but there were so many missed opportunities for subs or just basic ground and pound, and I cannot believe he gave up the mount... he clearly didn't know what to do in that position... I mean, his opponent was literally giving him either choice of his arms for armbars. Judo's rules are great for encouraging classical Judo throws, which is kind of the point of their comps, so I can't really fault a Judo guy for not having great grappling... but man, that kickboxer didn't seem like he knew anything on the ground, and he still got a reversal on the Judo guy. I've also trained BJJ with a couple of world champ black belts, and I didn't realize how shit my grappling from Judo was until I trained BJJ. I swear, a blue belt in BJJ will give the average Judo black belt a tough time. On the flip side, a good green belt in Judo (3-4 years), will toss around a BJJ black belt who hasn't done much wrestling/Judo/Sambo etc.
Thanks for the excellent commentary. It was interesting seeing the kick boxers plan fall apart. Based upon his reaction at the end it appears he believes he poorly executed his strategy.
sometimes when you don't see any good opportunities you will give up a more dominant position for a less dominant one and see if you can make something happen. I think that's what happened here...he was uncomfortable striking (quite possibly his first time ever punching someone in a match there) and maybe he felt he could finish this with a submission from side control instead. That said, he skipped what looked like a very easy shot at an armbar right when he got mount. The guy on bottom bench pressing you is like a dream scenario for armbars...not sure why he didn't go for it.
What the other guys said is spot on. I will just add that Kodokan is on RUclips, so you can look up the techniques and see them performed by experts from all angles.
Good fight and interesting to see the two styles without experience in other arts. I’m a kickboxer and judoka so I’m quite unbiased I’d say 😂 the kickboxer didn’t seem to be too experienced and also the shin pads nullified his kicks slightly. The judoka had good tachi waza (stand up judo), and his ne waza was ok but he didn’t seem to be from a club which does a lot of ground work (I really does depend a lot). Grappling does seem to dominate over striking but I would say it seemed the judoka had trained more than the kickboxer in their own styles
Without gloves this fight would be over in seconds. They literally just get in the way of a Judoka, without them the kickboxer would've gone down a lot quicker and been easier to pin down.
Kid shouldn't have done 'anaconda" shit. He had him already. Simply should have switched from holding under the armpit to joining the forearm that was already tucked under the neck. 2 secs later... Unconscious.
Definitely great takedowns and general awareness of positioning on the ground but giving up mount for side control then getting swept as a grappler is just embarrassing haha.
That was reminiscent of the old school mma matches, they were both completely untrained on their oponents area of specialty. And as we have seen so many times, in that scenario grappling is almost always the winner over striking.
Notice the Judoka controlled the entire fight. Standing, grounded, stood rhe fight back up, took the fight back down when he was ready and finished the fight.
@@rowdyzack5914 he slipped, not used to gloves - the no gi was not helping him either, while the kickboxer pretty much used to fight this way anyway...
@@roygiron825 bjj is basically Judo's newaza, I think he did everything right, just slipped due to the gloves and the no GI, he finished the fight when he wanted
In my personal opinion, I think the Judo guy wasn’t necessarily lacking newaza or BJJ. I think it was just that he didn’t want to hurt the kickboxer. If you look throughout the match, the Judo guy used very limited strength and didn’t even go into ground and pound. I really think the Judo guy could’ve ended the fight a while ago, but chose to be chill about it.
@Juann-k5p With the amount of grapling a Judoka practices - roughly 20% of the training - he should have been able to finish him off much faster. It was not about the GI, but the gloves, he is not used to them, while kickboxer is. Sure, he could practice newaza 100% of the time, but then he would be lacking the takedowns.
The fact that people are commenting about the judokas lacking ground game, despite him winning without ever being in real danger, shows how dominant grappling is compared to striking
People expect instant wins via submission. Unless one has actually grappled, it's hard to understand that being just out of place by a bit or at a slightly wrong angle, a submission will be hard to pull off against a strong opponent. It takes time to get the choke / joint lock into place.
Only Nu-Judo and Mac dojos ik the US lack Ne Waza. The problem Judokas run into with BJJ guys is more a rule set acclimatization. If you get a Judo black belt and train him foe 6 months in BJJ, and they'll be winning over BJJ black belts.
@@davida.rosales6025 That's unfair to BJJ, speaking as a Judo black belt, who had trained with BJJ guys. Their sport is very specialized in newaza. It will take years of training to get an equivalent BJJ belt level for their style of ground work.
@@dhimankalita1690 Congratulations. It took more than a year for former Judo Olympians to earn BJJ black belts. It’s not because BJJ is “better”, it’s just a different sport.
I actually really like this guy's ground game, reversal aside, particularly for a judoka. He stays very active, a problem for some judoka entering MMA or BJJ since in judo you can win by pin. He doesn't mind taking risks for submissions because he's confident in his ability to regain position...that's one of the "secrets" to submission fighting that not a lot of people talk about. Become amazing at escaping/recovery and your offensive game will be much better. If you're not good on defense, you won't be able to take risks on submissions because one wrong move and you're stuck in a bad place. I also love seeing a guy that is willing to give up mount to go back to side control (or some other position). If you're not being productive in mount, although it's a "superior" position, go "around the world" and find new submission opportunities. He let his arm get trapped in the transition and he couldn't post until it was too late, but the overall tactic is sound, and again speaks to a lot of comfort and confidence. When you see some white belt take mount for the first time in a match he will hold on for dear life because he doesn't know if he'll ever get it again. This guy knows he can get back to it whenever he wants. I would say, however, that some judo moves ought to be modified for better performance in MMA. Take that ordinary kesa gatame (scarf hold) for instance. In BJJ or MMA, where you can't win by pin, opponents can sometimes work they way out, and if they do, it goes straight to your back. This is why I switched to kuzure kesa gatame (still a judo pin, just more obscure), which is more of an underhook than a headlock, if you can imagine, for BJJ. There's no serious chance of escaping out to my back, and going to a more standard side control or north south (depending on which way you want to rotate) is very easy.
I was very surprised to see that guy willingly go from another top position to kesa gatame. I've drilled it into my head that kesa gatame is the most unstable top position possible, and every time I accidentally end up there after a takedown my first priority is usually to "escape" to a better top position
@@MaxLohMusic It’s definitely very surprising and unusual, but I like to see his confidence. He knows he can leave mount and get it back whenever he wants. Sometimes you’re just getting no traction in one position and it’s time to switch it up. Personally, as I mentioned, I don’t use conventional kesa a lot in jiujitsu, instead opting for kuzure kesa or ushiro kesa. I actually feel like I can hold a good kesa gatame for a long time, but the cost of failure is high and it doesn’t lend itself as well to my transitions as I would like. From side control I can go side control -> kuzure kesa > north south or in the opposite direction, side control -> ushiro kesa -> mount, and I’ll just rotate through those positions as needed until I find something I can work with. I don’t mind grabbing a “pin” for a little while to kill my opponent’s energy, but I like to be very active. I think the key to that is having the ability to get put in worse or bad situations and get back to where you want to be. Still, KG does have some value in jiujitsu. Most jiujitsu students aren’t good with it and you can crush their spirit sometimes with it. You probably already know this, but just make sure to always be mobile in KG. When they rotate, you have to rotate. You’ve always got to be maintaining that perpendicular position. Also flatten out your legs if you’re not doing that already. I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but just in case.
Impressive skills by the judoka! Nice video, as well! I've been training in judo for 14 years and coaching for about six or so years now, judo is my favourite martial art by far but I will admit that it's not the "best" martial art. Really, there isn't a "best" martial art... there are factors that contribute to one's skill and use in martial art(s) including the consistency of their training, their mentality toward training and competition, how their instructor(s) and club (or gym) operate, the individual's goals, as well as training outside of the martial art (cardiovascular fitness, strength and conditioning, nutrition) etc. I imagine that the judoka in this fight has either previously trained/competed in judo and now focuses on mixed martial arts (MMA) or continues train in judo, as well as MMA... either way, the judoka would not relied entirely on their judo techniques, and would have incorporated specific judo techniques (like the throw at 0:25, which looks like a Harai Goshi (Sweeping Hip Throw) to me) and strategies into their MMA "game" to prepare for this bout. I see some comments below talking about judo and Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), I personally think they're the same thing, just different rules. They are pretty much the same thing, as judo is derived from a style of Japanese jujutsu while BJJ is derived from judo (or 'Kano Jigoro jujutsu' as it was known at the time). Both arts have many of the same techniques, but are "played" in a different manner. I also understand that while judo generally prioritises standing (tachi-waza) and BJJ usually prioritises ground (ne-waza), some clubs/gyms operate differently. For example, there are some BJJ clubs/gyms out there that do zero standing work, for some reason... and there are also some judo clubs/gyms out there that do zero ground work, again for some reason. I remember training with a big blackbelt from Japan, and in standing randori (free practice, sparring/fighting), he absolutely destroyed us. When we started training ne-waza randori (ground free practice, "rolling" basically), we all destroyed him, and he didn't know what to do. We then found out that his club/gym back home in Japan does absolutely zero groundwork, except for the bare minimum and basics, for the purpose of grading/promoting belts. I don't know what is better for MMA, but I can safely say BJJ is generally more popular. I imagine that this is because most BJJ clubs/gyms offer no gi training (which could serve a more "practical" purpose for MMA) and BJJ teaches techniques that are no longer legal in judo, such as leglocks (apparently, leglocks were banned in competitive judo in the year 1899, 17 years after judo's creation in 1882).
@J Junior - I see your point, but that's not entirely correct (when it comes to the naming). Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) actually comes from judo. However, at the time, judo was not known as 'judo', it was known as 'Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu'. Kanō Jigorō was the creator of judo, and he was previously a practitioner of jūjutsu. One of the Kanō's best students, a man named Esai Maeda, travelled to Brazil around 1914 to 1917, to try and spread awareness, popularity and demonstration of their style of jūjutsu. This caught the attention of the Gracie family, who saw jūjutsu (or Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu) as a business opportunity. So, the Gracie family learned jūjutsu from Esai Maeda, and in time, they developed it into their own version, known as Brazilian jiu-jitsu, or BJJ. One of the prominent members of the Gracie family (I forget who), he did not enjoy the tachi-waza (standing techniques) phase of jūjutsu, but he enjoyed and was good at the ne-waza (ground techniques) aspect of it. This is one of the influences as to why BJJ specialised in ground grappling. Further specialisation for ground grappling was the Gracie's philosophy that once the fight hits the ground, it stays on the ground to be finished on the ground, where an individual's strengths (such as raw, physical strength, size, weight etc.) would not be as powerful, and could be defeated by means of technique, leverage etc. In jūjutsu (not Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu), the goal was to use jūjutsu in empty-hand combat against an enemy if/when a weapon was lost or unavailable, to throw the opponent onto the ground, then finish them with techniques such as shime-waza (strangles/chokes), kansetsu-waza (joint locks), or osaekomi-waza (pinning techniques). Pinning techniques were used to immobilise an opponent, then finish them with a tantō blade (a short sword or knife). Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu (or judo) however was developed more of a sport, to help people to better their bodies and mind through physical training and discipline, to help them become better members of society through the philosophy of "jita-kyoei", which basically means "mutual prosperity for self and others". As for BJJ people not doing hip throws... fair enough, but again, it comes down to the individual. In judo, there are over 67 ways to throw a person, it's not just a "hip throw". It comes down to the individual's interest, as well as physical capabilities. For example, a person of tall stature, fighting a person of shorter height? The taller person doing a hip throw on the shorter person is unwise, as it would physically require more effort to attempt. Not impossible, but harder. A shorter person may find it easier to get under a taller person to perform a hip throw. A hip throw in BJJ is not impossible. Alex Kimura replied to your comment, stating that he performs hip throws a lot in BJJ... he is a blackbelt in judo and a brown belt in BJJ, and a successful competition athlete (go check out one of Alex Kimura's latest videos, in which he competes at a BJJ competition at brown belt level and achieves two gold medals in two separate divisions). I can imagine a hip throw in BJJ being terrible - if you perform it terribly. I personally would rarely ever try to hip throw someone, because I am 6'3 (193cm) and most of the people I train with, or compete against, are shorter than me. I do enjoy forward throws through (throwing someone 'over' or 'around' you) such as uchi mata (inner thigh throw) and harai goshi (sweeping hip throw). Harai goshi is quite a popular throw in BJJ. Hope this all makes sense and helps.
Judo is my favorite style and I'm still salty about the 2010 leg grab ban. Nowadays in order to train what "Judo" used to be, you have to train Judo, BJJ and wrestling combined.
for those who may not know the early days of ufc mma, they let different martial artists styles compete just like that, basically style versus style. not mma versus mma.
Style vs style is quickly reduced down to who has better grappling, because a phenomenal striker that can't grapple will always lose against a mid tier striker but can grapple very well
@@yamiyomizuki It happens but not that often. YOu have to be very good at striking to win vs. a grappler. And even the best striekrs (like Stephen Thompson) still have pretty amazing takedown- and bjj-defense, simply because they have to. Khabib didn't choke Connor in1 second, he had to work for it. Because even though Conor is a striker, he still has tons of experience in takedown and bjj defense. Nobody is a noob at anything anymore. If you can't strike, can't wrestle and can't bjj, you don't get to the highest level.
I love all the arm chair warriors criticizing this guys newaza when he handled his opponent with ease and quickly submitted him. He made one mistake from which he immediately and easily recovered. Otherwise it was a dominant performance.
That's not an O-goshi, that was a Harai-goshi. O-goshi just brings uke over the hip, it doesn't reap the far leg like harai does. Also, good recognition of kesa-gatame, though the pronunciation is "ke-sa ga-ta-may".
@@FightCommentary Harai by itself, or in the context of judo? Harai by itself can refer to a shinto ritual. Harai-goshi roughly translates to "sweeping hip"
Reinventing the wheel... We already know, form early years of mma (vale tudo, ufc, pride, ...) that, if only pure styles are considered, the grappler usually win.
This fight was a jiu jitsu nightmare XD. But excellent harai goshi. He was up too far in side control and got reversed and the the guy reversed him into kesa gatame and didn’t solidify the position which led to the back take. When they were standing up he probably could’ve inverted into a leg entanglement though
Yep. You think like a BJJ person! Imagine if judokas and BJJ people trained together more! It would be a system that could stand up to catch and sambo.
@@FightCommentary LOL whut ? 1. Catch wrestlest get their @$$e$ handed to them 9 times out of 10 by Jiujiterrors 2. Judo and Bjj cross training has been a regular thing for the last 10 years or so. You can't watch a Danaher clip without him flexing the Japanese names for all techniques he is demonstrating. 3. No one cares about or is afraid of Sambo
@@thecollector6746Sambo should be feared as should Catch. Both are proven methods of fighting, Catch is No-Gi Judo and Sambo is old school Judo adopted by the Soviet union and simply name changed. Hell BJJ is a son of Judo. They are all highly HIGHLY effective.
@@FightCommentary You know people only have so and so much hours of training and energy in the week. BJJ guys are so good on the ground because they are investing 100% of their time on the ground and same with Judokas with their throwing game. Mixing and diverting ressources at least in the beginning will diverge too much ressources which could go to competiton training or building a solid base. (Ofc I know the advantages of cross training but i thnk cross training should first be done when a good Martial Base was build)
@@alLEDP BJJ guys don't invest 100% of their time on the ground what are you talking about lol. Wrestling and Judo are taught simultaneously at every BJJ gym that's worth a damn.
The Judoka is very young he have a lot of time to learn Smeshjutsu & proper striking. Its not even his final form. Its not looking good for the 28 yo KBer.
@@FightCommentary Hey, remember this important detail when learning Judo: *Prioritize learning how to properly fall.* Throws are fun and exciting, but being able to protect your limbs as you're being functionally slammed is more important for your health and learning in the long term than getting a throw right. My Judo sensei (he studied in korea) always says that you learn 1 throw after 10 years and your second throw after a year. Unless you're a savant, don't rush the process.
You can play with wrestlers if you know anybody, but play modified judo rules to get you started. The underhook, overhook, whizzers, and arm drags will add to your arsenal of lapel and sleeve grips in judo making you a more complete grappler for self-defense and in competition. Jacket only grips will give you more control when available compared to just trying to pummel and hand fight for overhooks and underhooks. For me, the best stand up grapplers can combo foot sweeps, chain wrestling, kazushi (off balancing), mizu nagare (going with the flow) into their throws and takedowns.
If you can go freestyle judo that is the most pure form, olympic judo is far more common though and probably the only type in your area, in this case just make sure that they are legit competitors and not just casuals if you want the most bang for your buck
Amazing control and takedown game, pretty impressive. Only problem with judokas is that they usually lack stability and a dynamic groundgame, he lost some positions there due to that. Mixing it with bjj would be deadly. But im lowkey impressed with how controlled and efficient these guys are on the clinch and with takedowns
Because he used his legs to sweep the legs/hip during the hip toss, it is harai goshi. Harai = sweep, goshi = hip. Also the kickboxer's side control reversal is beautiful. It is part of the gatame no kata in Judo katas.
The lion is the king of the jungle, but what happens if you throw a lion into a pond with crocodiles? It's a bit what happens when pure strikers face grapplers
If a Thai guy reverses you from side control if you are in Jiu Jitsu you need to recheck yourself but fr In the moment you can do some dumb stuff thinking it will land you in a good position lol
Depending on the style Judo is 50% groundbased and 50% standing based and it's ground work is almost identical to BJJ in everyway. Unfortunately BJJ was ultimately ruined by MMA and UFC guys who watered it down and removed a lot of the standing based stuff because they only wanted to use it as just a means to get mount and issue a beat down and saw no value in the judo based stuff because they had takedowns in their wreslting backgrounds. As a result you have guys like Chew Jitsu who get shown the judo stuff by real hardcore Brazilians and cry about the experience online years later because they didn't know how to breakfall and the brazilian very rightfully mocked him for it. Because in their eyes a style of BJJ with no throws in it is an inferior style.
You left out that part where you are a clown ass LARPer who doesn't train. You sorta gave it away with that whole "Bjj is a watered down 'sport' ..they don't train 'for battle' like we do in my Ninja classes" thing
So that hip throw was a harai goshi and his newaza was great. He dominated the guy and submitted him easily. He made ONE mistake from which he immediately recovered. Otherwise he completely dominated.
@@redpilljujitsu9068 I mean, you can say that, and it sounds like you know what you’re talking about because you throw around a lot of Japanese terms (although you mistook harai goshi for ogoshi). But the proof is in the pudding. How much can you criticize the guys newaza when he completely dominated and submitted his opponent? In MMA no less! “Yeah you won. But you’re really not that good.” Sure, ok, whatever you say.
@@judosailor610 He got reversed from side control.. by a kickboxer.. imagine being down there with a bjj guy or a wrestler.. he has poor newaza. Second, if you know harai but have no idea about the japanese words used, I think that actually shows how clueless of Judo you really are.
@@redpilljujitsu9068 you have probably never competed, and certainly never fought MMA if you have no sympathy or understanding for someone making a mistake that they might not normally make in rolling/randori. Especially when we’re not talking about world-class athletes. And I didn’t say I didn’t understand those Japanese terms, I said you were throwing them out of there to make yourself sound like you knew what you were talking about even though you didn’t know what a harai goshi was. You can criticize this guy all you want, but the fact remains he won. You’re criticizing the victor in a fight that, for all anyone knows, you yourself have never engaged in. Again, your whole argument amounts to, “yeah, you won, but I don’t think you did very good.“ Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
I’m a little under the weather today so I accidentally released this video on top of the previous video. But maybe it’s actually good it happened. If both videos do well in one day, then maybe I’ll have reason to do two videos in one day sometimes! Please share this video and leave a comment if you like it!
Hey new subscriber here, life long martial artist. What's your traditional background?
Amigo please learn more about grappling and the technique names. Train a little Judo or if you like butt scooting BJJ
@@CastIronFist awesome to have you! I mostly do capoeira now. Have done kickboxing, Muay Thai, boxing, aikido, BJJ, kungfu, and karate. But right now I’m just dancing because I got braces. When I get my braces off I’m gonna get wrecked in sparring 😂😂 What about you?
@@FightCommentary Officially a Taekwondo black belt, but my instructor was about the blended martial arts from the beginning so we did everything from judo to wing Chun. Now I teach Kickboxing. I was impressed with your martial arts vernacular, I figured only a guy with some level of traditional training would have that wide base of knowledge lol also, dancers make great fighters so boogie on l.
@@CastIronFist please feel free to send me footage any time too! I love to see non standard styles like what you likely do. I’m on IG, Facebook etc. same name.
I like this kind of old school MMA thing where these guys don't bring in all the tools to win a fight and see what happens.
There is a difference between a bad MMA fighter and an MMA fighter who is "incomplete" as Jon Jones would say. Guys like Ben Askren are a good example of a good fighter who had a serious flaw that was exploited.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues do you think that Ben's health and age was what caught up to him? He fought some killers in One, especially some submission experts, but by the time he got to UFC he was pretty worn out.
Old school style vs style competition ftw.
Yea Whats going to happen is that 99% of the wins are going to be judokas and bjj guys
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues hm? Ben askren was old. That was literally at the end of his career. He was plenty a good fighter.
I think the mistake of the kickboxer is he just did low kicks and did not set up anything like a hook or maybe straights. I'm not sure maybe he just did low kicks for checking the Judoka. The thing with good grapplers regardless of martial arts is they often capitalize on the mistakes of their opponent. But kudos to the judoka for being so patient
I think the mistake of the kuckboxer was choosing to learn kickboxing instead of judo
@@adamclark1972uk Best to learn 1 striking and 1 grappling art. Like: Judo and kickboxing. Or BJJ and muay thai.
@@maxk880
KB raczej miał styczność z parterem, to gdy odwrócił pozycję, trzeba czuć ciężar przeciwnika, tutaj siła nie pomoże... inna nauczana podobna technika jest przez pchnięcie ręką pod pachą przeciwnika... ja na sparingach no-gi BJJ gdy mnie powstrzymują od użycia innej techniki ucieczki najczęściej robię podobnie jak KB na dole...
Using lowkick with chin protection is useless. He should have went to boxing instead and he was stupid going in a clinch with a judoka, should have just pushed him away.
Low kicks are some of the most important techniques against grapplers. Because not only the kickboxing effect of hurting the legs and crippling movement, but also because It deters level changed against grapplers. They are very important to keep them out of reach. And if you are on hook Rangel you are un clinch range because grapplers just charge in.
Strikers win if they are able to create threats with low kicks, and with a good jab walking backwards, but if the striker tries to go into the pocket they Risk getting clinched and a grappler snowballs from there.
Leg kicks with pads isn't nearly as effective as a bare shin so got to factor that in . But it made dude drop his hands and I agree, some follow up may have worked out . People learn in 3's , so throw 2 low then fake the 3rd and go high with something. It's a classic for a reason !
Harai goshi, kesa gatame and hadaka jime. Harai goshi is the throw he used, its called sweeping hip throw in english. Then he followed it up with kesa gatame or scarf pin/hold in english. Then ended it with a rear naked choke, hadaka jime. Neither of his techniques seemed to be very high level. But its always extra difficult to pull of techniques like this when you are under pressure. Great job from both fighter.
So Jime is choke?
@@FightCommentary yes. We had a lot of fun with that in our judo class in Norway. The triangle choke is called sangaku jime. We often refer to it as Songoku jime 🤣 it makes it easier to remember.
@@mandag34 appreciate you explaining. I’m going to start adopting judo terms because the c word in English might upset RUclips. So what is the difference between the two words for triangle that you used?
@@FightCommentary sankaku jime is the actual word for triangle choke. Songoku is the beloved dragonball character. But the words sound very similar and therefor i was able to memorise it.
Ohhhhh! That is a good memory device!
I enjoyed watching this from that old style vs style perspective, it's fun to watch people try to make their main style work against something who does something different. Great throw by the Judo guy. Saying that, man, that ground work was embarrassing, but not surprising. Having trained Judo at the 3rd largest club in the US, a very competitive club with a lot of international champs, I'm not surprised at all, cause there's a lot less focus on grappling, and the rules of Judo comps only give you a short amount of time to either get a submission before you're stood up again, so a lot of people can stall in defensive positions, which doesn’t give much incentive to train grappling. On top of that, you can win with pins, which creates even less incentive to win with submissions... I realize I'm saying all this in the context of him winning via submission, but there were so many missed opportunities for subs or just basic ground and pound, and I cannot believe he gave up the mount... he clearly didn't know what to do in that position... I mean, his opponent was literally giving him either choice of his arms for armbars. Judo's rules are great for encouraging classical Judo throws, which is kind of the point of their comps, so I can't really fault a Judo guy for not having great grappling... but man, that kickboxer didn't seem like he knew anything on the ground, and he still got a reversal on the Judo guy.
I've also trained BJJ with a couple of world champ black belts, and I didn't realize how shit my grappling from Judo was until I trained BJJ. I swear, a blue belt in BJJ will give the average Judo black belt a tough time. On the flip side, a good green belt in Judo (3-4 years), will toss around a BJJ black belt who hasn't done much wrestling/Judo/Sambo etc.
To answer the question in the title: She "couldn't eat an apple for a month".
Thanks for the excellent commentary. It was interesting seeing the kick boxers plan fall apart. Based upon his reaction at the end it appears he believes he poorly executed his strategy.
Judo drills here
Kesa gatame - a pinning down
Harai goshi -hip throw
Hadake jime- rare naked choke
This was a CLINIC!!!
Why exactly left the judoka kid the full mount into the side control?
sometimes when you don't see any good opportunities you will give up a more dominant position for a less dominant one and see if you can make something happen. I think that's what happened here...he was uncomfortable striking (quite possibly his first time ever punching someone in a match there) and maybe he felt he could finish this with a submission from side control instead. That said, he skipped what looked like a very easy shot at an armbar right when he got mount. The guy on bottom bench pressing you is like a dream scenario for armbars...not sure why he didn't go for it.
Not surprised at all. I have just trained for some months in a Judo dojo. I would submit that kickboxer within 15 seconds.
At 3:08 I think it's either Harai goshi or Tai Otoshi. Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just a white belt 😅.
Harai. So you're correct 👍
What the other guys said is spot on. I will just add that Kodokan is on RUclips, so you can look up the techniques and see them performed by experts from all angles.
Good fight and interesting to see the two styles without experience in other arts. I’m a kickboxer and judoka so I’m quite unbiased I’d say 😂 the kickboxer didn’t seem to be too experienced and also the shin pads nullified his kicks slightly. The judoka had good tachi waza (stand up judo), and his ne waza was ok but he didn’t seem to be from a club which does a lot of ground work (I really does depend a lot). Grappling does seem to dominate over striking but I would say it seemed the judoka had trained more than the kickboxer in their own styles
Without gloves this fight would be over in seconds. They literally just get in the way of a Judoka, without them the kickboxer would've gone down a lot quicker and been easier to pin down.
Kid shouldn't have done 'anaconda" shit. He had him already. Simply should have switched from holding under the armpit to joining the forearm that was already tucked under the neck. 2 secs later... Unconscious.
Do judoka vs sanshou
the judoka is heavily handicapped by the gloveshe can't grip the opponent well
Have you seen the video where a judo guy breaks a kickboxer’s leg in two? If you haven’t I’d recommend keeping it that way 😆
Wait what I have to see that 😮
@@ianbrewster8934 be my guest: ruclips.net/video/3AsqR0Aw210/видео.html
Treść i dźwięk - wszystko OK ;)
Judo isn't all throws
I trained karate. An instructor was studying judo. He said Judo is way better.
Different purposes. Doing both is way better.
Guy narrating knows very little
More than you
Beautiful harai goshi that he landed. Of course he went on to finish it with a hadake jime. Great grappling on display 👏
I’m gonna use the word Hadake Jime from now on. I always get scared the word “choke” gonna trigger something in the RUclips censor machine.
@@FightCommentary Yes, and the throw was harai goshi (harai = sweep, goshi = hip)
Definitely great takedowns and general awareness of positioning on the ground but giving up mount for side control then getting swept as a grappler is just embarrassing haha.
Ashi Guruma
@@adamclark1972uk And a beautiful one too...in a Judo match he'd won right then with IPPON!
That was reminiscent of the old school mma matches, they were both completely untrained on their oponents area of specialty. And as we have seen so many times, in that scenario grappling is almost always the winner over striking.
Yeah when the striker has no skills ofc it happens, this guy's low kicks were horrible and he did not even throw a single punch
Well, not always, ask Ben askren, Chase hooper or Puelles
@@juanbautistamaciel6767 just like I said, almost always.
@@kevinlobos5519 My bad, i agree with you then. Anyway, this kickboxer sucks, the judoka is simply a better fighter
1) Was the judoka prohibited from throwing punches?
2) what could the KBXer have done to win? Flurry of punches? Front teeps?
Notice the Judoka controlled the entire fight. Standing, grounded, stood rhe fight back up, took the fight back down when he was ready and finished the fight.
Other than the pretty embarrassing thing that happened in side control
@@rowdyzack5914 yeh lmao
@@rowdyzack5914 I mean to be fair he is in judo not jiu jitsu both are the same but judo more advanced on the throws and takedowns
@@rowdyzack5914 he slipped, not used to gloves - the no gi was not helping him either, while the kickboxer pretty much used to fight this way anyway...
@@roygiron825 bjj is basically Judo's newaza, I think he did everything right, just slipped due to the gloves and the no GI, he finished the fight when he wanted
In my personal opinion, I think the Judo guy wasn’t necessarily lacking newaza or BJJ. I think it was just that he didn’t want to hurt the kickboxer. If you look throughout the match, the Judo guy used very limited strength and didn’t even go into ground and pound. I really think the Judo guy could’ve ended the fight a while ago, but chose to be chill about it.
bjj is judo's newaza part, he did not lack anything in my opinion, only the gloves bothered him a lot, no grip
He definitely wasn’t lacking the newaza entirely, but his side control was doo doo. Bro gotta learn how to post and apply pressure.
Bro watch the olimpics and see why he did not throw him hard
@Juann-k5p With the amount of grapling a Judoka practices - roughly 20% of the training - he should have been able to finish him off much faster. It was not about the GI, but the gloves, he is not used to them, while kickboxer is. Sure, he could practice newaza 100% of the time, but then he would be lacking the takedowns.
The fact that people are commenting about the judokas lacking ground game, despite him winning without ever being in real danger, shows how dominant grappling is compared to striking
People expect instant wins via submission. Unless one has actually grappled, it's hard to understand that being just out of place by a bit or at a slightly wrong angle, a submission will be hard to pull off against a strong opponent. It takes time to get the choke / joint lock into place.
Only Nu-Judo and Mac dojos ik the US lack Ne Waza.
The problem Judokas run into with BJJ guys is more a rule set acclimatization. If you get a Judo black belt and train him foe 6 months in BJJ, and they'll be winning over BJJ black belts.
@@davida.rosales6025 That's unfair to BJJ, speaking as a Judo black belt, who had trained with BJJ guys. Their sport is very specialized in newaza. It will take years of training to get an equivalent BJJ belt level for their style of ground work.
@@edwhlam speaking as a judoka I think you're wrong it took me hardly one year to learn bjj as I was familiar with most if the newaza techniques.
@@dhimankalita1690 Congratulations. It took more than a year for former Judo Olympians to earn BJJ black belts. It’s not because BJJ is “better”, it’s just a different sport.
I actually really like this guy's ground game, reversal aside, particularly for a judoka. He stays very active, a problem for some judoka entering MMA or BJJ since in judo you can win by pin. He doesn't mind taking risks for submissions because he's confident in his ability to regain position...that's one of the "secrets" to submission fighting that not a lot of people talk about. Become amazing at escaping/recovery and your offensive game will be much better. If you're not good on defense, you won't be able to take risks on submissions because one wrong move and you're stuck in a bad place. I also love seeing a guy that is willing to give up mount to go back to side control (or some other position). If you're not being productive in mount, although it's a "superior" position, go "around the world" and find new submission opportunities. He let his arm get trapped in the transition and he couldn't post until it was too late, but the overall tactic is sound, and again speaks to a lot of comfort and confidence. When you see some white belt take mount for the first time in a match he will hold on for dear life because he doesn't know if he'll ever get it again. This guy knows he can get back to it whenever he wants.
I would say, however, that some judo moves ought to be modified for better performance in MMA. Take that ordinary kesa gatame (scarf hold) for instance. In BJJ or MMA, where you can't win by pin, opponents can sometimes work they way out, and if they do, it goes straight to your back. This is why I switched to kuzure kesa gatame (still a judo pin, just more obscure), which is more of an underhook than a headlock, if you can imagine, for BJJ. There's no serious chance of escaping out to my back, and going to a more standard side control or north south (depending on which way you want to rotate) is very easy.
I was very surprised to see that guy willingly go from another top position to kesa gatame. I've drilled it into my head that kesa gatame is the most unstable top position possible, and every time I accidentally end up there after a takedown my first priority is usually to "escape" to a better top position
@@MaxLohMusic It’s definitely very surprising and unusual, but I like to see his confidence. He knows he can leave mount and get it back whenever he wants. Sometimes you’re just getting no traction in one position and it’s time to switch it up. Personally, as I mentioned, I don’t use conventional kesa a lot in jiujitsu, instead opting for kuzure kesa or ushiro kesa. I actually feel like I can hold a good kesa gatame for a long time, but the cost of failure is high and it doesn’t lend itself as well to my transitions as I would like.
From side control I can go side control -> kuzure kesa > north south or in the opposite direction, side control -> ushiro kesa -> mount, and I’ll just rotate through those positions as needed until I find something I can work with. I don’t mind grabbing a “pin” for a little while to kill my opponent’s energy, but I like to be very active. I think the key to that is having the ability to get put in worse or bad situations and get back to where you want to be.
Still, KG does have some value in jiujitsu. Most jiujitsu students aren’t good with it and you can crush their spirit sometimes with it. You probably already know this, but just make sure to always be mobile in KG. When they rotate, you have to rotate. You’ve always got to be maintaining that perpendicular position. Also flatten out your legs if you’re not doing that already. I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but just in case.
Easy relaxed, controlled win .. weird the Judo-ka didn't do any pummeling, but I guess he had full stamina, and was in control .. clean
Impressive skills by the judoka! Nice video, as well!
I've been training in judo for 14 years and coaching for about six or so years now, judo is my favourite martial art by far but I will admit that it's not the "best" martial art. Really, there isn't a "best" martial art... there are factors that contribute to one's skill and use in martial art(s) including the consistency of their training, their mentality toward training and competition, how their instructor(s) and club (or gym) operate, the individual's goals, as well as training outside of the martial art (cardiovascular fitness, strength and conditioning, nutrition) etc.
I imagine that the judoka in this fight has either previously trained/competed in judo and now focuses on mixed martial arts (MMA) or continues train in judo, as well as MMA... either way, the judoka would not relied entirely on their judo techniques, and would have incorporated specific judo techniques (like the throw at 0:25, which looks like a Harai Goshi (Sweeping Hip Throw) to me) and strategies into their MMA "game" to prepare for this bout.
I see some comments below talking about judo and Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), I personally think they're the same thing, just different rules. They are pretty much the same thing, as judo is derived from a style of Japanese jujutsu while BJJ is derived from judo (or 'Kano Jigoro jujutsu' as it was known at the time). Both arts have many of the same techniques, but are "played" in a different manner. I also understand that while judo generally prioritises standing (tachi-waza) and BJJ usually prioritises ground (ne-waza), some clubs/gyms operate differently. For example, there are some BJJ clubs/gyms out there that do zero standing work, for some reason... and there are also some judo clubs/gyms out there that do zero ground work, again for some reason.
I remember training with a big blackbelt from Japan, and in standing randori (free practice, sparring/fighting), he absolutely destroyed us. When we started training ne-waza randori (ground free practice, "rolling" basically), we all destroyed him, and he didn't know what to do. We then found out that his club/gym back home in Japan does absolutely zero groundwork, except for the bare minimum and basics, for the purpose of grading/promoting belts.
I don't know what is better for MMA, but I can safely say BJJ is generally more popular. I imagine that this is because most BJJ clubs/gyms offer no gi training (which could serve a more "practical" purpose for MMA) and BJJ teaches techniques that are no longer legal in judo, such as leglocks (apparently, leglocks were banned in competitive judo in the year 1899, 17 years after judo's creation in 1882).
Hey Master Creeg, i like your insights. Check out recent video, I’d like to hear your take on it!
Great info! Thanks
@jjunior8388 I do hip throws all the time in BJJ. It’s actually one of the safest ways to throw someone in BJJ imo.
@J Junior - I see your point, but that's not entirely correct (when it comes to the naming).
Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) actually comes from judo. However, at the time, judo was not known as 'judo', it was known as 'Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu'.
Kanō Jigorō was the creator of judo, and he was previously a practitioner of jūjutsu.
One of the Kanō's best students, a man named Esai Maeda, travelled to Brazil around 1914 to 1917, to try and spread awareness, popularity and demonstration of their style of jūjutsu. This caught the attention of the Gracie family, who saw jūjutsu (or Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu) as a business opportunity.
So, the Gracie family learned jūjutsu from Esai Maeda, and in time, they developed it into their own version, known as Brazilian jiu-jitsu, or BJJ. One of the prominent members of the Gracie family (I forget who), he did not enjoy the tachi-waza (standing techniques) phase of jūjutsu, but he enjoyed and was good at the ne-waza (ground techniques) aspect of it. This is one of the influences as to why BJJ specialised in ground grappling.
Further specialisation for ground grappling was the Gracie's philosophy that once the fight hits the ground, it stays on the ground to be finished on the ground, where an individual's strengths (such as raw, physical strength, size, weight etc.) would not be as powerful, and could be defeated by means of technique, leverage etc.
In jūjutsu (not Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu), the goal was to use jūjutsu in empty-hand combat against an enemy if/when a weapon was lost or unavailable, to throw the opponent onto the ground, then finish them with techniques such as shime-waza (strangles/chokes), kansetsu-waza (joint locks), or osaekomi-waza (pinning techniques). Pinning techniques were used to immobilise an opponent, then finish them with a tantō blade (a short sword or knife).
Kanō Jigorō jūjutsu (or judo) however was developed more of a sport, to help people to better their bodies and mind through physical training and discipline, to help them become better members of society through the philosophy of "jita-kyoei", which basically means "mutual prosperity for self and others".
As for BJJ people not doing hip throws... fair enough, but again, it comes down to the individual.
In judo, there are over 67 ways to throw a person, it's not just a "hip throw". It comes down to the individual's interest, as well as physical capabilities. For example, a person of tall stature, fighting a person of shorter height? The taller person doing a hip throw on the shorter person is unwise, as it would physically require more effort to attempt. Not impossible, but harder. A shorter person may find it easier to get under a taller person to perform a hip throw.
A hip throw in BJJ is not impossible. Alex Kimura replied to your comment, stating that he performs hip throws a lot in BJJ... he is a blackbelt in judo and a brown belt in BJJ, and a successful competition athlete (go check out one of Alex Kimura's latest videos, in which he competes at a BJJ competition at brown belt level and achieves two gold medals in two separate divisions).
I can imagine a hip throw in BJJ being terrible - if you perform it terribly.
I personally would rarely ever try to hip throw someone, because I am 6'3 (193cm) and most of the people I train with, or compete against, are shorter than me. I do enjoy forward throws through (throwing someone 'over' or 'around' you) such as uchi mata (inner thigh throw) and harai goshi (sweeping hip throw). Harai goshi is quite a popular throw in BJJ.
Hope this all makes sense and helps.
Judo is my favorite style and I'm still salty about the 2010 leg grab ban. Nowadays in order to train what "Judo" used to be, you have to train Judo, BJJ and wrestling combined.
for those who may not know the early days of ufc mma, they let different martial artists styles compete just like that, basically style versus style. not mma versus mma.
Style vs style is quickly reduced down to who has better grappling, because a phenomenal striker that can't grapple will always lose against a mid tier striker but can grapple very well
@@jaketheasianguy3307 except that there are professionals now who are primarily striking specialists who beat people who are primarily grapplers.
@@yamiyomizuki It happens but not that often. YOu have to be very good at striking to win vs. a grappler. And even the best striekrs (like Stephen Thompson) still have pretty amazing takedown- and bjj-defense, simply because they have to. Khabib didn't choke Connor in1 second, he had to work for it. Because even though Conor is a striker, he still has tons of experience in takedown and bjj defense. Nobody is a noob at anything anymore. If you can't strike, can't wrestle and can't bjj, you don't get to the highest level.
@@maxk880 if im not confusing him with another karate based striker. Isn't Wonderboy Thompson like a black belt in bjj?
@@jaketheasianguy3307a striker with grappling defense is better than a grappler who learns a bit of strike
I love all the arm chair warriors criticizing this guys newaza when he handled his opponent with ease and quickly submitted him. He made one mistake from which he immediately and easily recovered. Otherwise it was a dominant performance.
Jiu Jitsu guys are crying right now😂
Glad you caught that text 🤑😂😂😂🤑
That's not an O-goshi, that was a Harai-goshi.
O-goshi just brings uke over the hip, it doesn't reap the far leg like harai does.
Also, good recognition of kesa-gatame, though the pronunciation is "ke-sa ga-ta-may".
Thanks for the information! I will look up Harai Goshi! What does Harai mean?
@@FightCommentary Harai by itself, or in the context of judo?
Harai by itself can refer to a shinto ritual.
Harai-goshi roughly translates to "sweeping hip"
@@FightCommentary 払いーはらいーHarai means to sweep to clear away.
@@DeathxThexKid100 You are correct, but the ritual harai uses a different kanji than harai goshi
@@Budoexplained Well, I did address both instances for "Harai", and "Harai-goshi" when he asked "what does Harai mean?"
Reinventing the wheel...
We already know, form early years of mma (vale tudo, ufc, pride, ...) that, if only pure styles are considered, the grappler usually win.
This fight was a jiu jitsu nightmare XD. But excellent harai goshi. He was up too far in side control and got reversed and the the guy reversed him into kesa gatame and didn’t solidify the position which led to the back take. When they were standing up he probably could’ve inverted into a leg entanglement though
Yep. You think like a BJJ person! Imagine if judokas and BJJ people trained together more! It would be a system that could stand up to catch and sambo.
@@FightCommentary LOL whut ?
1. Catch wrestlest get their @$$e$ handed to them 9 times out of 10 by Jiujiterrors
2. Judo and Bjj cross training has been a regular thing for the last 10 years or so. You can't watch a Danaher clip without him flexing the Japanese names for all techniques he is demonstrating.
3. No one cares about or is afraid of Sambo
@@thecollector6746Sambo should be feared as should Catch. Both are proven methods of fighting, Catch is No-Gi Judo and Sambo is old school Judo adopted by the Soviet union and simply name changed. Hell BJJ is a son of Judo. They are all highly HIGHLY effective.
@@FightCommentary You know people only have so and so much hours of training and energy in the week. BJJ guys are so good on the ground because they are investing 100% of their time on the ground and same with Judokas with their throwing game. Mixing and diverting ressources at least in the beginning will diverge too much ressources which could go to competiton training or building a solid base.
(Ofc I know the advantages of cross training but i thnk cross training should first be done when a good Martial Base was build)
@@alLEDP BJJ guys don't invest 100% of their time on the ground what are you talking about lol. Wrestling and Judo are taught simultaneously at every BJJ gym that's worth a damn.
The Judoka is very young he have a lot of time to learn Smeshjutsu & proper striking. Its not even his final form.
Its not looking good for the 28 yo KBer.
Smeshjutsu 😂😂 awesome name!
Really unfair, how can you kick with that protection? No effect!
kickboxing guy must have been training 6 months tops
Found the Kickboxer.
@@thecollector6746 lol
it was clear the judo guy wasn't used to striking even on the ground. Still a good match.
I was kind of hoping for an Ura-nage at 2:31, but staying on his back did have an advantage.
yeah that would have been great. opportunities for a good clean ura are so rare, this would have been epic. He was going gentle on him
Might be against the rules if this is an amateur match.
YOOHOO JUDO FOR THE WIN 😄!!!
His ne-waza could use some work.
Man I really want to learn judo 😔.
Yeah, I’m likely gonna spend a few months at a judo place nearby once I get ny braces off!
@@FightCommentary cool, let's us know how it goes 😄!
@@FightCommentary Hey, remember this important detail when learning Judo:
*Prioritize learning how to properly fall.*
Throws are fun and exciting, but being able to protect your limbs as you're being functionally slammed is more important for your health and learning in the long term than getting a throw right.
My Judo sensei (he studied in korea) always says that you learn 1 throw after 10 years and your second throw after a year.
Unless you're a savant, don't rush the process.
You can play with wrestlers if you know anybody, but play modified judo rules to get you started.
The underhook, overhook, whizzers, and arm drags will add to your arsenal of lapel and sleeve grips in judo making you a more complete grappler for self-defense and in competition.
Jacket only grips will give you more control when available compared to just trying to pummel and hand fight for overhooks and underhooks.
For me, the best stand up grapplers can combo foot sweeps, chain wrestling, kazushi (off balancing), mizu nagare (going with the flow) into their throws and takedowns.
If you can go freestyle judo that is the most pure form, olympic judo is far more common though and probably the only type in your area, in this case just make sure that they are legit competitors and not just casuals if you want the most bang for your buck
His newaza is good dont forget that is more difficult for a grappler fight whit kickboxing gloves.
Thoose are not kickboxing gloves. They are mma gloves with extra padding.
Grappling with big mittens on looks hard to do.
I always hear kesa gatame pronounced KAY-suh guh-TAH-mee. Stress on the parts in all caps
Winning against a judoka looks impossible dude. If he takes you to the ground you are DEAD
Holly Holm laugh beating Ronda.
@@alivenumber5Wanderley Silva vs Yoshida.
Amazing control and takedown game, pretty impressive. Only problem with judokas is that they usually lack stability and a dynamic groundgame, he lost some positions there due to that. Mixing it with bjj would be deadly. But im lowkey impressed with how controlled and efficient these guys are on the clinch and with takedowns
This “high mount” in Judo is called Ta Te Shiho Gatame.
1:56 why is he leaving full mount for side control. Thats his second time doing that 🤦🏾♂️
Because he used his legs to sweep the legs/hip during the hip toss, it is harai goshi. Harai = sweep, goshi = hip.
Also the kickboxer's side control reversal is beautiful. It is part of the gatame no kata in Judo katas.
The lion is the king of the jungle, but what happens if you throw a lion into a pond with crocodiles? It's a bit what happens when pure strikers face grapplers
jui jitsu only works if you can get the other guy on the ground. Judoka definitely have the advantage on that front.
Pure grappler vs pure striker is like making a shark fight a lion. The lion will win on land and the shark will win at sea.
3:11 harai goshi : hip throw + leg sweep (just like Islam on Charles Oliveira)
If a Thai guy reverses you from side control if you are in Jiu Jitsu you need to recheck yourself but fr In the moment you can do some dumb stuff thinking it will land you in a good position lol
Or, what happens when a Turk dares to fight a German .😂😂😂 sent back to Turkmenistan.
Kesa gatame is bad for back exposure. The reason blue escapes the first pin with an underhook
The gloves can be really annoying for the Judoka, maybe for the kickboxer too tho.
Lol why do strikers think they can do mma without knowing how to grapple?
The judoka had always full control and just played with his openent
2:44 I was wincing at the possible knee break
Muay Thai kickboxing doesn’t stand up against judo. Not at all.
harai goshi
When u asked is it o goshi its and arai ogoshi cuz he sweeps the foot with the throw o goshi is just a raw feet planted underhook hip throw
If he was a better judoka he could win in the very beginning.
Ya se sabe, que el Judo una vez que te hagarre ya...
Why does it say K1 Bout in the beginning when its clearly mma
The gloves hinder the judoka or the match would have been over sooner.
The question was "is this ogoshi?". No, it was harai goshi.
Ogoshi is a pure full hip toss that doesn't have the leg sweep component.
Thanks!
Not good ground control, no win. It's that simple
Depending on the style Judo is 50% groundbased and 50% standing based and it's ground work is almost identical to BJJ in everyway. Unfortunately BJJ was ultimately ruined by MMA and UFC guys who watered it down and removed a lot of the standing based stuff because they only wanted to use it as just a means to get mount and issue a beat down and saw no value in the judo based stuff because they had takedowns in their wreslting backgrounds. As a result you have guys like Chew Jitsu who get shown the judo stuff by real hardcore Brazilians and cry about the experience online years later because they didn't know how to breakfall and the brazilian very rightfully mocked him for it. Because in their eyes a style of BJJ with no throws in it is an inferior style.
Judo guy hampered a bit by his gloves?
Fighting Judo in gloves is unreal and a big disadvantage
Dont kick a grappler. Use Boxing lol
you don't even know the names of the techniques. lol
It's not a hip throw it's koshi guruma or head throw.
The throw is a Harai Goshi.
Time for yet another martial art to be hyped so much that people take advantage of the popularity, water it down and it becomes a joke like BJJ
Lots of bjj guys out there that would make you eat your words.
You left out that part where you are a clown ass LARPer who doesn't train. You sorta gave it away with that whole "Bjj is a watered down 'sport' ..they don't train 'for battle' like we do in my Ninja classes" thing
Not having gi would have made that a more difficult prospect for the Judoka as they train with gi all the time.
Kessa guitar me
2:41 whats that move called
judoka has poor newaza his rnc was also average. good hip throw (ogoshi) though
So that hip throw was a harai goshi and his newaza was great. He dominated the guy and submitted him easily. He made ONE mistake from which he immediately recovered. Otherwise he completely dominated.
@@judosailor610 I disagree. His osae komi was good but he lacked kensetsu waza skills and his shime waza was also sub par.
@@redpilljujitsu9068 I mean, you can say that, and it sounds like you know what you’re talking about because you throw around a lot of Japanese terms (although you mistook harai goshi for ogoshi). But the proof is in the pudding. How much can you criticize the guys newaza when he completely dominated and submitted his opponent? In MMA no less! “Yeah you won. But you’re really not that good.” Sure, ok, whatever you say.
@@judosailor610 He got reversed from side control.. by a kickboxer.. imagine being down there with a bjj guy or a wrestler.. he has poor newaza. Second, if you know harai but have no idea about the japanese words used, I think that actually shows how clueless of Judo you really are.
@@redpilljujitsu9068 you have probably never competed, and certainly never fought MMA if you have no sympathy or understanding for someone making a mistake that they might not normally make in rolling/randori. Especially when we’re not talking about world-class athletes. And I didn’t say I didn’t understand those Japanese terms, I said you were throwing them out of there to make yourself sound like you knew what you were talking about even though you didn’t know what a harai goshi was.
You can criticize this guy all you want, but the fact remains he won. You’re criticizing the victor in a fight that, for all anyone knows, you yourself have never engaged in. Again, your whole argument amounts to, “yeah, you won, but I don’t think you did very good.“ Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Viva el judo 💪🥋
it was a harai goshi the first takedown
It’s not a ogoshi it’s a haraigoshi
The kickboxer was never “lost”. He did a decent job of trying to prevent the worst things from happening quickly.
Good to learn both
Esse kickboxer tem seios fartos.
This is a sorry kickboxer
Another example of if you don't know anything about grappling, even when you're a phenomenal striker, you can't fight properly
1:08 Darce attempt
In Brazil we train on the ground as much as up in Judo, at least in my experience. But I understand that's not how it is everywhere.
Harai goshi
Yes it was kesa gatame
BJJ me cryimg fr 😂
Great 🥝🇳🇿😎🥋
Really not a good idea to kick the inside of someones shin. Outside great, inside big difference.
Kickboxing = fight on the air
Judo = fight by gravitation ground
Conclusion is we cant win againts gravitation
WTF is this?