Great episode! Love Dutch style Kickboxing, but I prefer Japanese Shootboxing for self defense. Primarily due to the similarities, but with added elbows, throws, takedowns and standing submissions. A lot of the Dutch kickboxers have fought Shootboxing venues.
I love the concept of standing submissions. And i would love to see more love for Shootboxing. It was known as Standing Vale Tudo,and i think the name fit. Make it accomodate Letwhei with bareknucke/MMA gloves and headbutts and you are set. I cannot think of a more complete standing up style.
Dutch kickboxing is derived heavily from Muay Thai. The Dutch are known to travel for their training and a lot of our best trained extensively in Thailand. It probably became most known when Dutch champ Ramon Dekkers (RIP) went to Thailand and destroyed all of their fighters. The Dutch dominated K1 because of a strong mix of Muay Thai, kickboxing and a form of Karate. With that said, they have not been dominant in UFC type fights because of the clear lack of ground techniques in our type of fighting. I personally believe a fighter that combines Dutch kickboxing with strong BJJ would be unstoppable.
It started with Kyokushin. Ramon Dekker's stepdad/trainer Cor Hemmers is a Kyokushin black belt. All the great trainers out here are Kyokushin black belts (Lucien Carbin, Thom Harinck, Jan Plas, etc.) later on, Muay Thai techniques were added but there's stll a big emphasis on Kyokushin and it's the reason we still say Osu in every kickboxing gym out here. The intense training/sparring/condition shows the Kyokushin spirit. I got my shodan in Kyokushin 10+ years ago and did some Muay Thai as well, i love both styles and they compliment eachother. Greets from the Netherlands Osu
In my opinion of the modern combat sports Lethwei is superior for a real world violent confrontation. 1) They fight without gloves 2) Techniques include punches, kicks, knees, head-butting, trapping, clinching, sweeping and throwing. 3) Hard training and conditioning are heavily emphasized. Lethwei is the Art of 9 Limbs
Alternatively you ever watch bareknuckle mma? Gamebred Fc, King of the streets them two orgs are trailblazing right now showcasing what I would consider the most complete bareknuckle martial art.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG even in hard sparring most of them don’t use gloves, they might use some sort of bandages or throw light punches to not break their hands or injure their sparring partner, but the crazy part is you fight more in tournaments than sparring.
@@catissilo7871 complete Martial Art, yes, I agree. I don't think a sport that doesn't discourage ground grappling is viable option for real world violent confrontation. The very last place you want to be in the street is on the ground. You fight how you train.
1. Muay Thai 2. Kyokushin Muay Thai has my vote by far as a more complete striking and self defense system. Knees and elbows are by far superior to punches and kicks. Try punching without a glove. The elbow is undefeated. The clinch has plenty of dumps and sweeps to take your opponent down quickly. Kyokushin is second which of course spawned Dutch kickboxing. Good video, and Dutch kickboxing is awesome as well 🥊
On injuries over time.. Half my hand is now held together with titanium screws, my lower back is very bad, my left wrist is constantly in pain after a break and I have CTE. Kyokushin, Taijutsu, Kickboxing, Boxing and Judo. 30 years of additive injuries has left me fairly disabled. It's all knife, gun and bludgeon with an implement now. It cannot be understated that you should not be sustaining injuries if you wish to be able to defend yourself into old age!
what do you think aout the combo's duch kickboxers used in k1 ? (one for breaking someone down (strait right strait left step to the side and right lowkick) one for finishing (3 lowkicks one highkick all same leg )
100% agree with Dutch kickboxing’s effectiveness in a self defense situation with an attacker in close proximity like a crowded bar or an elevator. I wouldn’t wanna find the distance with my jab or teep or even low kick or use excessive head movement that’ll knock me off position followed by a flurry of punches. No, I want to be able to able to throw high volume of strikes with bad intentions while also being able to block punches and counter with strong over hands and left hooks. Although I do like the idea of using Muay Thai’s long guard to block and clinch and elbow from in close. I prefer the aggression + volume + block and counter punching aspect of Dutch kickboxing and countering with clinch and elbowing aspect of Muay Thai from in close range. Even the idea of grabbing a neck tie and dirty boxing sounds good to me
Problem is, can you prove they’re trying to kill you? The VAST majority of assaults aren’t attempted murders and unless some witness literally heard the other guy say “I’m going to kill you” it’s kinda hard to prove it.
@@meicc398someone trying to hurt you=\= someone trying to kill you. It’s very hard to legally justify use of lethal force in self defense. Whether you like it or not, your response to violence against you has to be measured. That’s just reality. If you can’t convince a jury of people who don’t spend their time training martial arts and watching self defense RUclips that your reaction was justified, you’re gonna sit behind bars for a LONG time.
Self-defense scenarios. You should always try to keep yourself off of the ground because you never know if the person you're fighting has friends with him. I would say for this collegiate wrestling would be an excellent way to avoid being taken to the ground
Honestly most people don’t know how to fight. If you even know a little basics of boxing your ahead of most people. Most likely he’ll throw a big overhand and then it leads to wrestling and clinching once in close range. From all the street fight videos I see it’s very rare that both people will stand in that Dutch kickboxing range and trade blows. One guy is bound to try to tackle the other dude. The most important knowledge you need in a street fight is understanding of distance. Distance is absolutely everything. You’ll be able to make the guy miss easily if he doesn’t know how to fight and you do.
Sambo is pretty good - and even though it does have some striking, I would say it’s primarily a GRAPPLING system. This video is about the best self defense STRIKING system
Some of the best Dutch strikers of all time actually had instructors with an old school Kungfu and Okinawan Karate background. Very interesting stuff. All arts are great and useful, just depends on who's using them. Let's not forget when the Iceman (Kenpo/Koei Kan/kickboxer) knocked out Overeem (a super decorated Dutch striker).
The most frustrating thing for me in the self defense discussion is that Raw Silat is not more widely practiced and known. As an observer, whose done 2 other MAs, if I had to pick one discipline for self defense, it would be Raw Silat. Can you do an episode of the use of this for self defense?
@@FreestyleMartialArtist yes. Quick, brutal, unexpected, to the point, then escape. Also, with the flows, you don't need to remember which series of moves is best in the moment. I truly feel like if it had become common over the years, it would be the go to discipline for self defense.
@@TonyZXT I like his channel and his approach to Silat. I think it’s very practical and does away with a lot of the BS plaguing most other versions of it
Nice video, but so many things that you state in it are in my opinion somewhat debatable. First of all: Who says kickboxing isn't good for self-defense?!? As oppose to what? No martial art? Of course it is good for self defense and not just Dutch kick boxing. Second: I train in Muay Thai and I definitely don't see people just throwing couple strikes from a distance and that's it, as you said. Long combinations and plenty of close range techniques (especially with elbows) are drilled over and over again. I think close range with a good Muay Thai fighter is pretty dangerous place to be. Then the claim that Dutch Kickboxing is best for learning how to defend punches to the head - I think boxers would have something to say about that. Also, self defense athletes should do more hard sparring? Are self defense athletes somehow more immune to CTE? I think peoples should almost never go hard to the head in any training situation. Also conditioning of the hands in order to be able to fight without gloves is something I encountered in every striking martial art I ever looked into. We did it in Shotokan karate and in ITF Taekwondo when I was kid and we are doing it now in my Muay Thai gym. It is not just a Kyokushin thing and I don't think it ever was. Of course I'm not saying that you got all these things wrong, I just think that these statements are too much of an oversimplification of much more complex subjects.
Personally, I think Combat Sambo is the best style for self defense. It has everything that Dutch kickboxing has to offer plus wrestling and groundwork/submissions. Even elbows and headbutts are allowed. Similar to Krav Maga but much better defined as its own sport. Granted, sambo gyms are not commonplace in the US, but neither are Dutch kickboxing.
This is probably the best video i seen about this topic. The stupidiest myth ever about self defense is that combat sports aren't made for the streets, but like you said at the beginning, assaults happens unexpectedly, fast and aggresively and for that you need to develop reaction time, speed, timing and accuracy and no other style on the planet will teach you that better than combat sports. I don't know if dutch kickboxing would be the best style but you make very solid points about it and i overall agree with everything you said but for the purpose of self defense i would say is necessary to train specific situations on top of your combat sport training wich will give the skills needed to pull of the training for the specific situations so you would need to diversify your training A LOT for the purpose of self defense and always have a reliable strategy that you can use in a variaty of situations. So while dutch kickboxing could be considered the best base for self defense for everything that you explained, you would need to compliment it with a lot of other things to be sure you could handle as many situations as possible.
I remember when reading articles from black belt magazine and other martial arts publication showing Muay Thai defending against knives and sticks. I'm not really impress with Dutch because in actual matches, they don't have good distancing and they use high kick at close distances. Also if Thai boxers were allowed to use elbows, it would be a different story.
Just the fact that someone has a basic training knows not to fuck around looking for fights, BUT if it come to be the fact that you train And have good cardio and keep compose in pressure situations your chances are very high to succeed the mindset of a train fighter is to keep pushing till it break.
The best self defense is awareness, avoidance and deescalation. After that, running away and carrying a weapon... when self defense fails, MMA is probably the best to win once everything else fails. You have familiarity with every range of combat against an aggressive opponent. Sure, it has rules, but you will know how to strike, clinch, wrestle, control distance and dictate if you stand up or go to the ground, along with how to ground fight. You don't have to be the best in every aspect, you just gotta be better than the average untrained person... which isn't hard.
I train strictly for self defense so I've changed a few things with my kickboxing style bag work. I never wear wraps or gloves , I wear what I normally wear on the street which is sometimes heavy work boots and pants , and I don't plant my rear legged kicks back in the rear position , I just land forward and throw more hand strikes or do a push. Been a big fan of the BOB for last ten years or so too. Other than that I'm just doing whats very very similar to a kickboxing style workout for sure
What??? This is the first time I've *EVER* heard anyone claim that (paraphrasing) _"you can't use Kickboxing for self defence."_ Who says that(?!) Casuals, beer drinkers, and those too afraid to even attempt it because they dont want to get hit. That's who says it.
I would say martial arts RUclips has overwhelmingly become anti-kickboxing for self defense. Reason being is that BJJ has gotten a strong foothold (rightfully so) in self defense and LEO tactics. The other half of the coin is that “kickboxing” has a bad reputation to it. Muay Thai practitioners actively deny their style being a form of kickboxing, American kickboxing is laughed at because of the ridiculousness of the PKA days, and there’s no real voice for it nowadays.
@CombatSelfDefense Thanks for the response, I appreciate you. 👊🏻 I agree. The problem is promotion. Glory hasn't been as successful as it should have been, and prior to this K1 Max, etc. It's much more successful in Japan. Kickboxing and Muay Thai, in my opinion anyway, is far more exciting and just better go watch than boxing. As much as I love boxing, it just doesn't have the same spark for me. It's really strange because most people really love stand up fights and the top tier of stand up fighting/striking is Kickboxing, Muay Thai and Boxing. Going further, fictional characters in action/martial arts movies and fighting games that we all love, tend to be based on styles that have Karate/Kickboxing and/or Muay Thai at their core in some manner. Perhaps that is some of the problem lol? Who knows? 🤷🏻♂️ Now that ONE Championship is bigger than the UFC (profit wise, anyway), hopefully, this will open it up much more. The striking on ONE is nothing short of sublime. 🤌🏻 BJJ is a marketplace these days and has been for around a decade now. But pure BJJ has been exposed for what it is, and its limitations laid bare in both the UFC and elsewhere where an opponent will not be taken to the ground. Kron Gracie got beaten all over the octagon for thinking he could just do what his father did. It's no longer enough. Gary Tonan has advanced well beyond this now and realised in MMA that so many people have caught up in BJJ that he can't just rely on that anymore and, as such, has worked hard on his stand up game. So far as self-defense goes, it's a matter of (informed) perspective and the two people (or more) involved at the time. Rule number one is to do everything possible to stay off the ground. If its purely a 1v1 scenario and you have the advantage, then bringing someone down to the ground may be the best method. Generally speaking, staying on your feet and moving is the most proven method of self defence for the majority of scenarios and I stand by that via personal experience and having seen others involved in mad-dangerous scenarios with my own eyes. No one can equate a trained Kickboxer to abiding by rules in a ring i.e. competition, to fighting in the street. They're two totally different dynamics and no Kickboxer or Nak Muay I have ever trained with, thinks that rules specific to sport/competition, apply in self defence in the street. Everyone I know and train with has no issues at all fighting 'dirty' + their training. A trained Kickboxer or Nak Muay who is fully cognizant of 'no street rules', is an extremely dangerous opponent to tangle with and is best avoided. Thanks for the response anyway. Dutch style Kickboxing is a gift and something I think all good hearted men need to know/get acquainted with. Cheers. 👍🏻
10:17 Can I train Dutch Kickboxing and Muay Thai (to complement the use of elbows and the clinch that Kickboxing lacks)? Or is it better to focus on just one?
A Muay Thai purist would tell you to stick with traditional Thai. I personally think they’re different expressions of the same sport, so there’s no reason you can’t do both at the same time. If anything, Dutch style will help your boxing, and traditional Thai will help your clinch.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist In this case, if I train Dutch style and Thai at the same time, do you think it is also necessary to train Boxing (pure Boxing training) or not, since Boxing is already well worked within the Dutch style?
You only need Boxing and Muay thai here pal. Dutch Kickboxing is Boxing + Muay thai + Kyokushin Kyokushin is Japanese Muay thai + Karate. Muay thai is Thai + Boxing Do the math lol
I've never heard of Dutch KB or any school that teaches it (I'm obvioulsy not from Netherlands). The closest I can find is K1, is there a significant difference?
Good info. Seeing things in the street and how they unfold the difference is in the street...you have hidden shanks. Which is why I prefer an in out distance style like Chingiz with powershots and/or Trainor's hybrid dutch kickboxing/thai boxing to use for street defence including knees and elbows. Well away from clinching or walking down an attacker *in the street. In smash/break out. But should know infighting and solid defence as you may get pinned so you can deal with that. JMO
Besides training in Fairtex in the 90s and Tiger Muaythai nowadays, I was lucky to train at the Diamond Dutch Muaythai in the 90s with Bobby Robare, who was under Rob Kaman and Ramon Dekkers.
I spent many years taking various Martial Arts, and the most complete system I've found is MMA. It's the best way to find that part of yourself that is very comfortable doing what it takes to be the one who walks away. But really, it depends on the coach, and you, of course. It's all about ferocity and controlled violence. Being comfortable when everything sucks and you're tired and bigger people are smashing you, people are telling you to get the fuck up and class is only 25 minutes in and your outta shape, they have more skill than you, they're younger, it's only 4pm, you have kids and blah blah blah it goes on and on. There's no substitute for that state of mind. The only thing I would add is that the focus should be on your weaknesses. Mine are wrestling and conditioning. But, I get it. MMA is not for everyone. You gotta do what is most effective for you and yours. Safety, and communication is the key
Very glad you talked about the legality of it. Survival is a type of situation. Self Defense is a type of legal term that comes with a lot grey area. You have to hold back somewhat, unless you are in a survival situation (“I feared for my life”). A random unarmed drunk idiot at the local restaurant yelling “come at me bro” non-sense and taking his shirt off, the court is going to call bullshxt on fearing for your life in most cases even if he was belligerent and pushing you around. (Now if he’s trying to slash you with a broken bottle… it’s a different legal situation altogether!) One reason sweeps (Muay Thai / Judo style) and standing takedowns (Sanda style) are underrated is they leave no marks and neutralize aggression in a very controlled way that is safer than anything where the guy falls in an uncontrolled way.
As primarily a wrestler myself, I can surely tell you that throws and sweeps can actually be the **most** dangerous attacks to an opponent. Of course, if you maintain good control it's good, but one slip on ya grip and dude's head is split
Nice . I was just informed that my lungs are functioning poorly due to deconditioning . Can you suggest some martial arts for lung health without excessive strain on the body ?
I like Dutch kickboxing, much more than Muay Thai. But what you are saying is not really factual, there are plenty of kickboxing styles that are good for self defense such as Savate, Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) and Yaw Yan (Filipino kickboxing). The problem is there are hardly any Sanda, Savate, and Yaw Yan gyms in the US, but there are plenty of Dutch kickboxing gyms. As for me I study Savate.
Shoes are definitely a very underrated weapon. If you live in the Southern US it isn’t uncommon for cowboy boots to be worn on a night out which are heavy and pointed which could definitely break a rib with a good kick
idk but if you just sometimes train with bare handstand and make sure you have some clinch expierence you will be good enough to defend yourself. (and knees and elbows) besides you need to know how to be aggressive in your attack. So yeah pretty much dutch boxing and muay thai. But make sure you know some judo throws as well.
There is no best self defence against multiple attackers only tactics. What you need to understand is you are going to be on the defence from the word go. Don't try to fight all of them, cut through the ones that matter and you have the best chance against and run. Or if possible draw them into a tight space where they can't use their numbers against you. People like to say a person who gets jumped has no chance...that's not true. You have A chance. It might not be a very good chance, but it's still a chance. Also don't JUST run away cause all that's gonna happen is you're gonna get chased down, unless you're just really confident in your ability to get away.
Like others have said, there’s no best self defense for multiple attackers. Do your best to protect your vital areas, and try to get away or end it as quickly as possible. Easier said than done, but there’s no best practice.
Sambo is good but lethwei is quite not it's very hard to find a lethwei gym outside of Myanmar indeed it's a hard martial arts to conqueror and have very much health issues
What are the odds of finding dutch kickboxing that also teaches a bit of muay Thai and/or Kyokushin as you mentioned? I ask a similar question about BJJ academies that cover Sambo/Judo.
I think you’re very likely to find a BJJ school that includes judo and sambo. Dutch kickboxing that also has Muay Thai and kyokushin is less likely but I know it happens.
Could you do an episode on the P.I.T. Interpretation of Kajukenbo and how you use it either as a principle like JKD or in terms of techniques/strategy like karate, boxong, muay thai, judo et cetera
I can’t wait. They seem relatively unknown I suppose. But I gather specific styles are popular based on the generation. However with the rise of martial art youtubers and there being other combat sport’s developed other ufc (king of the streets, karate combat) and exhibition boxing fights martial arts is becoming very popular. Albeit it’s an anecdote I can’t actually prove that
check out the 2 bombo's duch kickobxes used in k1 one for breaking someone down (strait right strait left step to the side and right lowkick) one for finishing (3 lowkicks one highkick all same leg )
I think if we're talking strict self defense I believe mma striking is in a league of it's own since it inherently accounts for the threat of the clinch and the takedown and can also be used to set up both the clinch and the takedown.
@@FakeNinjaMaster in MMA you technically use the best techniques and most practical ones out of these martial arts. Some fundamentals don’t matter because they are not "useful" in MMA, let’s say boxing defense fundamentals. Sure they work against punches but I doubt a slip or roll will work against kicks, knees, and elbows. Now imagine takedowns and throws. It’s not because you’re doing MMA that you’re a "generalist", mediocre in everything. No you’re just using the best techniques that are actually useful. MMA striking has more fundamentals than any other martial arts because it’s literally a mix of everything, it just depends on how much you train, that’s it.
In terms of time investment vs. effectiveness, I''d argue regular boxing is even better than Dutch kickboxing, because there is a lot less motor skill involved in punching effectively compared to being effective at kicking and kneeing. Eg. learning regular boxing is a lot quicker than kickboxing and 70-80% of Dutch kickboxing is kind of just straight up regular boxing anyway.
Hey, I have a question and hopefully expect a fast response from anyone who's educated and experienced enough I'm going to look for some mma classes in my city, I want the training to include either kyokushin or kickboxing or muay thai/boran or lethwei for striking and Judo for takedown, I'll look into grappling much later as it's not my main area of interest, I'm only training for self defence and fitness, not for series sport (I'm too old to start now and it's not a big enough career choice in my country yet) So what are some basic red flags which I should look for other than the ones on the internet like instructor history, combat tournament details, bullshido moves, impractical techniques/too deadly techniques etc
I think you’ll be hard pressed to find an “MMA class” that’s not either strictly “mma striking” and “mma grappling” or Muay Thai/wrestling/ and jiu/jitsu. Contrary to most people’s belief, MMA these days isn’t “take Kyokushin for striking, judo for clinching, and sambo for grappling.” It is a sport unto itself, and most coaches come to it with a Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, or jiu-jitsu background. They may ALSO have trained in TKD or lethwei, but those aren’t usual ingredients. If you are purely interested in training for self defense and fitness, and grappling isn’t your concern, then I suggest looking for Muay Thai or lethwei specifically. In terms of red flags: I say look out for very strict, long term contracts. Usually if a gym has good training and culture, they don’t need to try and lock you in to a commitment. You’ll keep coming because you want to. Watch for the culture of the gym. Is everyone friendly to each other and pushing to greater heights? If it’s overly competitive or people are just half assing class, it’s not worth the time. How many women train there? If it’s less than 5% women, ask yourself why? Is this a very “meathead, fight or die” type of environment? That might not be an issue, but if it’s not the kind of place you want to be, you should take note of that. It’s very rare that you find co-Ed classes that are 50% or MORE female/male, but a healthy gym has at least 25% women in a given program. That speaks to the environment of the gym, the culture of its members, and the teaching ability of its coaches.
Here in the Philippines stabbing incedents by knives is common. I'm a 2x winner. Saved some lives besides mine. So, I say that there is a complete self defense system coz in the first place it wasn't a sports. It's Filipino baston. Or Arnis. It never failed me. Unlike karate. Now I hold a 7th degree red and white belt. If we could deal with knives and stick, what's a fist fight? Please, gentlemen, broaden your horizon
In my opinion Muay Thai is more complete than Dutch Kickboxing, Muay Thai can be slow and methodical or it can be aggressive and fast so I don’t get the argument about speed and hardsparring, it just depends on a lot of factors. If you ever happen to be in a street fight it’s better to run, unless you can’t because they grabbed you or you have something to protect (reputation, family, friends). Be careful because reputation is different from ego. I personally recommend Muay Thai(Lethwei if you can find a classe) Boxing, Kickboxing and Judo for street fights. BJJ and Wrestling are only good against one person, usually a person is never alone. As for weapons a 1000lumen flashlight is all you need. Here’s some tips if you’re fighting against one or multiple people: Hit people where it hurts, especially if the person is bigger than you(jaw, nose, throat, sternum, liver, groin, legs especially calves) Use your surroundings and stay off the ground (tables, doors, walls, alleyways…) Blind your opponent or use distractions (flashlight, spit, sand, dirt, alcohol, clothes, dropping something…)
First of all, that changes the parameters of the conversation. I could then say "but if the kickboxer has military experience," then you can say "but the tai chi guy has a knife." You can't move the goal posts with these kind of conversations. You have to compare people of relatively equal size, relatively equal skill, with the same background and same time, and determine whose training would better prepare them.
That guard doesn’t work at all without gloves I appreciate the video, but I think u lack, hopefully for u, experience in the contest. Look Bareknuckle boxing. That one is the best example
WOW! Bro Exellent Video! Just subbed, if you ever want to do a collaboration just ask, I'm in Holland.. Dutch Kickboxing trainer, Taekwondo master Dutch Bouncer. Also Bounced In Mexico Acapulco, In Los Angeles and In Madrid... anyhow totally agree with th3 video it's facts, I've seen it uses here over n over again ... PS also got a channel w 30k subs
Muay Thai will always be king of self defense.... Elbows-Knees-Clinch is way more valuable, because in the street, people will bum rush you and crash into you with their body weight, rarely will they square up with you and fight only in kick and punch range. Watch no rules street fights, often times they just sprint at each other and end up in the clinch.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Yes Sir, I believe it was developed by Kyokushin Karate stylist like Jan Plas, Kenji Kurosaki ( who started the first 'Mejiro Gym" in Japan before one was established in Holland.
Great episode!
Love Dutch style Kickboxing, but I prefer Japanese Shootboxing for self defense. Primarily due to the similarities, but with added elbows, throws, takedowns and standing submissions.
A lot of the Dutch kickboxers have fought Shootboxing venues.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I might have to do a more thorough deep dive into Shootboxing then.
@@justadude4826 most basic martial art would be MMA. Maybe wrestling if you can find it
Shoot!! 👉 so happy to see someone mention shoot boxing it’s really a shame not many people know about it
I love the concept of standing submissions. And i would love to see more love for Shootboxing.
It was known as Standing Vale Tudo,and i think the name fit. Make it accomodate Letwhei with bareknucke/MMA gloves and headbutts and you are set. I cannot think of a more complete standing up style.
Absolutely
Dutch kickboxing is derived heavily from Muay Thai. The Dutch are known to travel for their training and a lot of our best trained extensively in Thailand. It probably became most known when Dutch champ Ramon Dekkers (RIP) went to Thailand and destroyed all of their fighters. The Dutch dominated K1 because of a strong mix of Muay Thai, kickboxing and a form of Karate. With that said, they have not been dominant in UFC type fights because of the clear lack of ground techniques in our type of fighting. I personally believe a fighter that combines Dutch kickboxing with strong BJJ would be unstoppable.
Agreed, although maybe replace BJJ with sambo to keep that constant pressure mentality.
It started with Kyokushin. Ramon Dekker's stepdad/trainer Cor Hemmers is a Kyokushin black belt. All the great trainers out here are Kyokushin black belts (Lucien Carbin, Thom Harinck, Jan Plas, etc.) later on, Muay Thai techniques were added but there's stll a big emphasis on Kyokushin and it's the reason we still say Osu in every kickboxing gym out here. The intense training/sparring/condition shows the Kyokushin spirit. I got my shodan in Kyokushin 10+ years ago and did some Muay Thai as well, i love both styles and they compliment eachother. Greets from the Netherlands Osu
muay thai rules, only dekkers and kaman could hold their own.... the rest is k1 rules, glory rules, never elbows, never clinch, never knees
Dutch fighters larger than thai fighters. Size advantage not skill
@@nonenone2907 i guess you forgot about that 63Kg small fighter that beat up all the thai champions ?
In my opinion of the modern combat sports Lethwei is superior for a real world violent confrontation.
1) They fight without gloves
2) Techniques include punches, kicks, knees, head-butting, trapping, clinching, sweeping and throwing.
3) Hard training and conditioning are heavily emphasized.
Lethwei is the Art of 9 Limbs
They probably spar with gloves though right? I find it hard to believe they’re beating each other bloody everyday in the gym.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG they're very poor
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Alternatively you ever watch bareknuckle mma? Gamebred Fc, King of the streets them two orgs are trailblazing right now showcasing what I would consider the most complete bareknuckle martial art.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG even in hard sparring most of them don’t use gloves, they might use some sort of bandages or throw light punches to not break their hands or injure their sparring partner, but the crazy part is you fight more in tournaments than sparring.
@@catissilo7871 complete Martial Art, yes, I agree.
I don't think a sport that doesn't discourage ground grappling is viable option for real world violent confrontation. The very last place you want to be in the street is on the ground. You fight how you train.
1. Muay Thai
2. Kyokushin
Muay Thai has my vote by far as a more complete striking and self defense system.
Knees and elbows are by far superior to punches and kicks.
Try punching without a glove. The elbow is undefeated.
The clinch has plenty of dumps and sweeps to take your opponent down quickly.
Kyokushin is second which of course spawned Dutch kickboxing.
Good video, and Dutch kickboxing is awesome as well 🥊
Karate has more takedowns and techniques more than Muay Thai
@@thunderkatz4219not in competition, thus not trained under pressure, thus useless
@@thunderkatz4219 yeah right, you rarely even use them, most karate classes don’t even teach takedowns
Kyokushin doesn’t hit the head with punches, makes it way less effective
Protecting your head with big gloves is not the same as doing it bare handed. No fancy protections in Kyokushin.... 😅 OSU.
The Kickboxing itself is the Self Defense
On injuries over time.. Half my hand is now held together with titanium screws, my lower back is very bad, my left wrist is constantly in pain after a break and I have CTE. Kyokushin, Taijutsu, Kickboxing, Boxing and Judo. 30 years of additive injuries has left me fairly disabled. It's all knife, gun and bludgeon with an implement now. It cannot be understated that you should not be sustaining injuries if you wish to be able to defend yourself into old age!
As a guy who's been training dutch kickboxing for about a year, and had 2 interclub fights so far, really excited to watch this
Hope it’s to your liking!
what do you think aout the combo's duch kickboxers used in k1 ? (one for breaking someone down (strait right strait left step to the side and right lowkick)
one for finishing (3 lowkicks one highkick all same leg )
@@FreestyleMartialArtist it was awesome!
@@kungfujoe2136 I think it’s pretty awesome
@@Alxei23456 glad to hear it!
100% agree with Dutch kickboxing’s effectiveness in a self defense situation with an attacker in close proximity like a crowded bar or an elevator.
I wouldn’t wanna find the distance with my jab or teep or even low kick or use excessive head movement that’ll knock me off position followed by a flurry of punches. No, I want to be able to able to throw high volume of strikes with bad intentions while also being able to block punches and counter with strong over hands and left hooks. Although I do like the idea of using Muay Thai’s long guard to block and clinch and elbow from in close.
I prefer the aggression + volume + block and counter punching aspect of Dutch kickboxing and countering with clinch and elbowing aspect of Muay Thai from in close range. Even the idea of grabbing a neck tie and dirty boxing sounds good to me
There really shouldn't be excessive force for someone trying to kill you
Problem is, can you prove they’re trying to kill you? The VAST majority of assaults aren’t attempted murders and unless some witness literally heard the other guy say “I’m going to kill you” it’s kinda hard to prove it.
Agreed
@@CaPnBaLlBaGwell if someone is trying to assault you,they are probably trying to hurt you
@@meicc398someone trying to hurt you=\= someone trying to kill you. It’s very hard to legally justify use of lethal force in self defense. Whether you like it or not, your response to violence against you has to be measured. That’s just reality. If you can’t convince a jury of people who don’t spend their time training martial arts and watching self defense RUclips that your reaction was justified, you’re gonna sit behind bars for a LONG time.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG found the victim blamer, bet you raep women too.
Self-defense scenarios. You should always try to keep yourself off of the ground because you never know if the person you're fighting has friends with him. I would say for this collegiate wrestling would be an excellent way to avoid being taken to the ground
Agreed.
Honestly most people don’t know how to fight. If you even know a little basics of boxing your ahead of most people. Most likely he’ll throw a big overhand and then it leads to wrestling and clinching once in close range. From all the street fight videos I see it’s very rare that both people will stand in that Dutch kickboxing range and trade blows. One guy is bound to try to tackle the other dude. The most important knowledge you need in a street fight is understanding of distance. Distance is absolutely everything. You’ll be able to make the guy miss easily if he doesn’t know how to fight and you do.
I got jumped one time while my leg was broken from training self defense.... I ended up breaking my other leg in the same way I did while sparing
What about Sambo? It gets pretty violent, they kick, punch, go to the ground, they even head butt... Lots of wonderful things there...
Sambo is pretty good - and even though it does have some striking, I would say it’s primarily a GRAPPLING system. This video is about the best self defense STRIKING system
Ive always loved the look of dutch kickboxing. So smooth and stylish.
I honestly find sanda to be a very effective stylefor self defense. It emphasizes on both striking(kick boxing style) and takedowns.
My only issue with Sanda is that its boxing is kind to sloppy.
Maybe you should research & interview Cung Le. You may get a different impression.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol ah yes, Cung Le. One of the most famous kickboxers of all time. How could I not know about him
Some of the best Dutch strikers of all time actually had instructors with an old school Kungfu and Okinawan Karate background. Very interesting stuff.
All arts are great and useful, just depends on who's using them. Let's not forget when the Iceman (Kenpo/Koei Kan/kickboxer) knocked out Overeem (a super decorated Dutch striker).
Does'nt muay thai have throws from the clinch?
The most frustrating thing for me in the self defense discussion is that Raw Silat is not more widely practiced and known. As an observer, whose done 2 other MAs, if I had to pick one discipline for self defense, it would be Raw Silat.
Can you do an episode of the use of this for self defense?
Raw Silat as in what Luke Holloway does?
@@FreestyleMartialArtist yes. Quick, brutal, unexpected, to the point, then escape. Also, with the flows, you don't need to remember which series of moves is best in the moment. I truly feel like if it had become common over the years, it would be the go to discipline for self defense.
@@TonyZXT I like his channel and his approach to Silat. I think it’s very practical and does away with a lot of the BS plaguing most other versions of it
I just got back from a trip to the Netherlands and trained in Dutch Kickboxing under Hans Stringer 😳🙌🏾🔥
That sounds awesome
Nice video, but so many things that you state in it are in my opinion somewhat debatable. First of all: Who says kickboxing isn't good for self-defense?!? As oppose to what? No martial art? Of course it is good for self defense and not just Dutch kick boxing. Second: I train in Muay Thai and I definitely don't see people just throwing couple strikes from a distance and that's it, as you said. Long combinations and plenty of close range techniques (especially with elbows) are drilled over and over again. I think close range with a good Muay Thai fighter is pretty dangerous place to be. Then the claim that Dutch Kickboxing is best for learning how to defend punches to the head - I think boxers would have something to say about that. Also, self defense athletes should do more hard sparring? Are self defense athletes somehow more immune to CTE? I think peoples should almost never go hard to the head in any training situation. Also conditioning of the hands in order to be able to fight without gloves is something I encountered in every striking martial art I ever looked into. We did it in Shotokan karate and in ITF Taekwondo when I was kid and we are doing it now in my Muay Thai gym. It is not just a Kyokushin thing and I don't think it ever was. Of course I'm not saying that you got all these things wrong, I just think that these statements are too much of an oversimplification of much more complex subjects.
10:50 no wonder, Bruce Lee encouraged his students to study more than just one martial art - but I see your point, too
For me the epitome of beauty and effectiveness of Dutch kickboxing have been Ramon Dekkers and Nieky Holzken. ❤️🔥💪👍
I've added this video in my recent videos as an end suggested video. And linking it as well on other videos.
I appreciate that! Thank you
Personally, I think Combat Sambo is the best style for self defense. It has everything that Dutch kickboxing has to offer plus wrestling and groundwork/submissions. Even elbows and headbutts are allowed. Similar to Krav Maga but much better defined as its own sport. Granted, sambo gyms are not commonplace in the US, but neither are Dutch kickboxing.
I can see u havent even trained in combat sambo. We can't elbow , and our striking is much not as developed as any striking art
What about Savate? It teaches you how to fight with shoes on
This is probably the best video i seen about this topic.
The stupidiest myth ever about self defense is that combat sports aren't made for the streets, but like you said at the beginning, assaults happens unexpectedly, fast and aggresively and for that you need to develop reaction time, speed, timing and accuracy and no other style on the planet will teach you that better than combat sports.
I don't know if dutch kickboxing would be the best style but you make very solid points about it and i overall agree with everything you said but for the purpose of self defense i would say is necessary to train specific situations on top of your combat sport training wich will give the skills needed to pull of the training for the specific situations so you would need to diversify your training A LOT for the purpose of self defense and always have a reliable strategy that you can use in a variaty of situations.
So while dutch kickboxing could be considered the best base for self defense for everything that you explained, you would need to compliment it with a lot of other things to be sure you could handle as many situations as possible.
I remember when reading articles from black belt magazine and other martial arts publication showing Muay Thai defending against knives and sticks. I'm not really impress with Dutch because in actual matches, they don't have good distancing and they use high kick at close distances. Also if Thai boxers were allowed to use elbows, it would be a different story.
Just the fact that someone has a basic training knows not to fuck around looking for fights, BUT if it come to be the fact that you train
And have good cardio and keep compose in pressure situations your chances are very high to succeed the mindset of a train fighter is to keep pushing till it break.
The best self defense is awareness, avoidance and deescalation. After that, running away and carrying a weapon... when self defense fails, MMA is probably the best to win once everything else fails. You have familiarity with every range of combat against an aggressive opponent. Sure, it has rules, but you will know how to strike, clinch, wrestle, control distance and dictate if you stand up or go to the ground, along with how to ground fight. You don't have to be the best in every aspect, you just gotta be better than the average untrained person... which isn't hard.
That was really helpful and thorough. Thanks man
I only practice kicking with heavy steel toe boots on, and only to knees and below.
Sanda or Savate? How about them?
This video was very helpful and interesting 😊
I train strictly for self defense so I've changed a few things with my kickboxing style bag work. I never wear wraps or gloves , I wear what I normally wear on the street which is sometimes heavy work boots and pants , and I don't plant my rear legged kicks back in the rear position , I just land forward and throw more hand strikes or do a push. Been a big fan of the BOB for last ten years or so too. Other than that I'm just doing whats very very similar to a kickboxing style workout for sure
What??? This is the first time I've *EVER* heard anyone claim that (paraphrasing) _"you can't use Kickboxing for self defence."_
Who says that(?!) Casuals, beer drinkers, and those too afraid to even attempt it because they dont want to get hit. That's who says it.
I would say martial arts RUclips has overwhelmingly become anti-kickboxing for self defense. Reason being is that BJJ has gotten a strong foothold (rightfully so) in self defense and LEO tactics.
The other half of the coin is that “kickboxing” has a bad reputation to it.
Muay Thai practitioners actively deny their style being a form of kickboxing, American kickboxing is laughed at because of the ridiculousness of the PKA days, and there’s no real voice for it nowadays.
@CombatSelfDefense Thanks for the response, I appreciate you. 👊🏻
I agree. The problem is promotion. Glory hasn't been as successful as it should have been, and prior to this K1 Max, etc. It's much more successful in Japan. Kickboxing and Muay Thai, in my opinion anyway, is far more exciting and just better go watch than boxing. As much as I love boxing, it just doesn't have the same spark for me. It's really strange because most people really love stand up fights and the top tier of stand up fighting/striking is Kickboxing, Muay Thai and Boxing. Going further, fictional characters in action/martial arts movies and fighting games that we all love, tend to be based on styles that have Karate/Kickboxing and/or Muay Thai at their core in some manner. Perhaps that is some of the problem lol? Who knows? 🤷🏻♂️
Now that ONE Championship is bigger than the UFC (profit wise, anyway), hopefully, this will open it up much more. The striking on ONE is nothing short of sublime. 🤌🏻
BJJ is a marketplace these days and has been for around a decade now. But pure BJJ has been exposed for what it is, and its limitations laid bare in both the UFC and elsewhere where an opponent will not be taken to the ground. Kron Gracie got beaten all over the octagon for thinking he could just do what his father did. It's no longer enough. Gary Tonan has advanced well beyond this now and realised in MMA that so many people have caught up in BJJ that he can't just rely on that anymore and, as such, has worked hard on his stand up game.
So far as self-defense goes, it's a matter of (informed) perspective and the two people (or more) involved at the time. Rule number one is to do everything possible to stay off the ground. If its purely a 1v1 scenario and you have the advantage, then bringing someone down to the ground may be the best method. Generally speaking, staying on your feet and moving is the most proven method of self defence for the majority of scenarios and I stand by that via personal experience and having seen others involved in mad-dangerous scenarios with my own eyes.
No one can equate a trained Kickboxer to abiding by rules in a ring i.e. competition, to fighting in the street. They're two totally different dynamics and no Kickboxer or Nak Muay I have ever trained with, thinks that rules specific to sport/competition, apply in self defence in the street. Everyone I know and train with has no issues at all fighting 'dirty' + their training.
A trained Kickboxer or Nak Muay who is fully cognizant of 'no street rules', is an extremely dangerous opponent to tangle with and is best avoided.
Thanks for the response anyway. Dutch style Kickboxing is a gift and something I think all good hearted men need to know/get acquainted with.
Cheers. 👍🏻
Very Well Said the Truth
10:17 Can I train Dutch Kickboxing and Muay Thai (to complement the use of elbows and the clinch that Kickboxing lacks)? Or is it better to focus on just one?
A Muay Thai purist would tell you to stick with traditional Thai. I personally think they’re different expressions of the same sport, so there’s no reason you can’t do both at the same time. If anything, Dutch style will help your boxing, and traditional Thai will help your clinch.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist In this case, if I train Dutch style and Thai at the same time, do you think it is also necessary to train Boxing (pure Boxing training) or not, since Boxing is already well worked within the Dutch style?
@@mateus1600 I think you’d be better served doing Muay Thai or Dutch kickboxing + boxing, not all three.
Boxing+Dutch Kickboxing+Muay Thai+Kyokushinkai Karate= Striking Beast
I'll do you one better. Boxing+Dutch Kickboxing+Muay Thai+Sambo+Judo+BJJ= All Around Monster.
@@christopherhess443 Boxing+Dutch Kickboxing+Muay Thai+Kyokushinkai Karate+BJJ+Japanese Jiujitsu+Judo+Freestyle Wrestling+Sambo= Monster Hunter
You only need Boxing and Muay thai here pal.
Dutch Kickboxing is Boxing + Muay thai + Kyokushin
Kyokushin is Japanese Muay thai + Karate.
Muay thai is Thai + Boxing
Do the math lol
I've never heard of Dutch KB or any school that teaches it (I'm obvioulsy not from Netherlands). The closest I can find is K1, is there a significant difference?
Look at the style of Nieky Holzken.
That is pure top notch Dutch kickboxing.
Good info. Seeing things in the street and how they unfold the difference is in the street...you have hidden shanks. Which is why I prefer an in out distance style like Chingiz with powershots and/or Trainor's hybrid dutch kickboxing/thai boxing to use for street defence including knees and elbows. Well away from clinching or walking down an attacker *in the street. In smash/break out. But should know infighting and solid defence as you may get pinned so you can deal with that. JMO
Yes training this... never thought this was a style to begin with a while ago, I thought this IS just kickboxing for everyone and every country
Besides training in Fairtex in the 90s and Tiger Muaythai nowadays, I was lucky to train at the Diamond Dutch Muaythai in the 90s with Bobby Robare, who was under Rob Kaman and Ramon Dekkers.
That sounds like such a dream.
What is the best grappling system for self defense in your opinion? To combine with Dutch Kickboxing...
To stick with the philosophy of Dutch kickboxing? Catch wrestling
Good video, thank you!
Dutch kickboxing is a variation of kyokushin karate
I spent many years taking various Martial Arts, and the most complete system I've found is MMA. It's the best way to find that part of yourself that is very comfortable doing what it takes to be the one who walks away. But really, it depends on the coach, and you, of course. It's all about ferocity and controlled violence. Being comfortable when everything sucks and you're tired and bigger people are smashing you, people are telling you to get the fuck up and class is only 25 minutes in and your outta shape, they have more skill than you, they're younger, it's only 4pm, you have kids and blah blah blah it goes on and on. There's no substitute for that state of mind. The only thing I would add is that the focus should be on your weaknesses. Mine are wrestling and conditioning.
But, I get it. MMA is not for everyone. You gotta do what is most effective for you and yours.
Safety, and communication is the key
Very glad you talked about the legality of it. Survival is a type of situation. Self Defense is a type of legal term that comes with a lot grey area. You have to hold back somewhat, unless you are in a survival situation (“I feared for my life”).
A random unarmed drunk idiot at the local restaurant yelling “come at me bro” non-sense and taking his shirt off, the court is going to call bullshxt on fearing for your life in most cases even if he was belligerent and pushing you around. (Now if he’s trying to slash you with a broken bottle… it’s a different legal situation altogether!)
One reason sweeps (Muay Thai / Judo style) and standing takedowns (Sanda style) are underrated is they leave no marks and neutralize aggression in a very controlled way that is safer than anything where the guy falls in an uncontrolled way.
As primarily a wrestler myself, I can surely tell you that throws and sweeps can actually be the **most** dangerous attacks to an opponent. Of course, if you maintain good control it's good, but one slip on ya grip and dude's head is split
my understanding is that the thai style is more single powerful shots and dutch is more combos but less power with more lighter set up shots?
Pankration and Sambo would be the best for self defense
Nice . I was just informed that my lungs are functioning poorly due to deconditioning . Can you suggest some martial arts for lung health without excessive strain on the body ?
I like Dutch kickboxing, much more than Muay Thai. But what you are saying is not really factual, there are plenty of kickboxing styles that are good for self defense such as Savate, Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) and Yaw Yan (Filipino kickboxing). The problem is there are hardly any Sanda, Savate, and Yaw Yan gyms in the US, but there are plenty of Dutch kickboxing gyms. As for me I study Savate.
Shoes are definitely a very underrated weapon. If you live in the Southern US it isn’t uncommon for cowboy boots to be worn on a night out which are heavy and pointed which could definitely break a rib with a good kick
I know. As soon as he said kickboxing is just a sport and isn't self defence I instantly got a lil triggered can't lie😅. I train muay thai btw
Savate is criminally underrated
I can’t find any Dutch kickboxing gyms in the US
hey yo bro awesome video man
idk but if you just sometimes train with bare handstand and make sure you have some clinch expierence you will be good enough to defend yourself. (and knees and elbows) besides you need to know how to be aggressive in your attack. So yeah pretty much dutch boxing and muay thai. But make sure you know some judo throws as well.
What's the best self defense for multiple 🤔 attackers
run away
There is no best self defence against multiple attackers only tactics. What you need to understand is you are going to be on the defence from the word go.
Don't try to fight all of them, cut through the ones that matter and you have the best chance against and run. Or if possible draw them into a tight space where they can't use their numbers against you.
People like to say a person who gets jumped has no chance...that's not true. You have A chance. It might not be a very good chance, but it's still a chance.
Also don't JUST run away cause all that's gonna happen is you're gonna get chased down, unless you're just really confident in your ability to get away.
Like others have said, there’s no best self defense for multiple attackers. Do your best to protect your vital areas, and try to get away or end it as quickly as possible.
Easier said than done, but there’s no best practice.
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Thank you everyone
I think Lethwei and self defense Sambo work better than this.
Who the fuck does lethwei
Sambo is good but lethwei is quite not it's very hard to find a lethwei gym outside of Myanmar indeed it's a hard martial arts to conqueror and have very much health issues
Before you ever get into a street fight you get brain damage first training in lethwei
What are the odds of finding dutch kickboxing that also teaches a bit of muay Thai and/or Kyokushin as you mentioned? I ask a similar question about BJJ academies that cover Sambo/Judo.
I think you’re very likely to find a BJJ school that includes judo and sambo. Dutch kickboxing that also has Muay Thai and kyokushin is less likely but I know it happens.
Could you do an episode on the P.I.T. Interpretation of Kajukenbo and how you use it either as a principle like JKD or in terms of techniques/strategy like karate, boxong, muay thai, judo et cetera
I actually consider John Hackleman a friend and a mentor so I would love to do an episode on the Pit.
I can’t wait. They seem relatively unknown I suppose. But I gather specific styles are popular based on the generation.
However with the rise of martial art youtubers and there being other combat sport’s developed other ufc (king of the streets, karate combat) and exhibition boxing fights martial arts is becoming very popular.
Albeit it’s an anecdote I can’t actually prove that
what would you say about mixing muay thai with kyokushin ?
The problem with kyokushin is that they don’t punch to the face. So it can’t prepare you for real fighting
Your opinion on Kudo?
All things considered.
Sanda is probably better. It has rapid fire strikes that flow into fight ending throws.
check out the 2 bombo's duch kickobxes used in k1
one for breaking someone down (strait right strait left step to the side and right lowkick)
one for finishing (3 lowkicks one highkick all same leg )
Yep!
I think if we're talking strict self defense I believe mma striking is in a league of it's own since it inherently accounts for the threat of the clinch and the takedown and can also be used to set up both the clinch and the takedown.
@@FakeNinjaMaster in MMA you technically use the best techniques and most practical ones out of these martial arts. Some fundamentals don’t matter because they are not "useful" in MMA, let’s say boxing defense fundamentals. Sure they work against punches but I doubt a slip or roll will work against kicks, knees, and elbows. Now imagine takedowns and throws. It’s not because you’re doing MMA that you’re a "generalist", mediocre in everything. No you’re just using the best techniques that are actually useful. MMA striking has more fundamentals than any other martial arts because it’s literally a mix of everything, it just depends on how much you train, that’s it.
I think a striking style, combined with a grappling style is the best for self defense,
Have you done a video on the way Systema punches? It's interesting.
Never seen anyone say you can't use KB for self-defense
I would say that any hybrid striking/kickboxing system so yeah dutck kickboxing. It has the Best of boxing, muy thai, karate savate etc. etc.
I'd never thought of the Savage influence, but I suppose the spinning kicks had to come from somewhere.
Thanks for the video ! So, what’s your though about Kajukenbo for self defense ?
I think kajukenbo has a very similar philosophy but is also very hit or miss with how it practices so isn’t as universally reliable.
What about Paul Vunaks RAT system ?
Even though it was a joke it still hurt when he said ‘Dutch Land’ 😂
You might be the first person to recognize it was a joke.
As a Muay Thai practitioner I've always felt that dutch kickboxing was best for self defense.
Protecting you head with gloves is not the same as protecting your head bare handed.
In terms of time investment vs. effectiveness, I''d argue regular boxing is even better than Dutch kickboxing, because there is a lot less motor skill involved in punching effectively compared to being effective at kicking and kneeing.
Eg. learning regular boxing is a lot quicker than kickboxing and 70-80% of Dutch kickboxing is kind of just straight up regular boxing anyway.
WRONG - DUTCH MUAY THAI - BECAUSE ELBOWS AND MUAY THAI IS THE ULTIMATE STRIKING SYSTEM
Which modality of sambo do you recommend to couple it with? Combat sambo or grappling sambo?
0:35 DUTCH LAND?!
Hey, I have a question and hopefully expect a fast response from anyone who's educated and experienced enough
I'm going to look for some mma classes in my city, I want the training to include either kyokushin or kickboxing or muay thai/boran or lethwei for striking and Judo for takedown, I'll look into grappling much later as it's not my main area of interest, I'm only training for self defence and fitness, not for series sport (I'm too old to start now and it's not a big enough career choice in my country yet)
So what are some basic red flags which I should look for other than the ones on the internet like instructor history, combat tournament details, bullshido moves, impractical techniques/too deadly techniques etc
I think you’ll be hard pressed to find an “MMA class” that’s not either strictly “mma striking” and “mma grappling” or Muay Thai/wrestling/ and jiu/jitsu.
Contrary to most people’s belief, MMA these days isn’t “take Kyokushin for striking, judo for clinching, and sambo for grappling.” It is a sport unto itself, and most coaches come to it with a Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, or jiu-jitsu background. They may ALSO have trained in TKD or lethwei, but those aren’t usual ingredients.
If you are purely interested in training for self defense and fitness, and grappling isn’t your concern, then I suggest looking for Muay Thai or lethwei specifically.
In terms of red flags:
I say look out for very strict, long term contracts. Usually if a gym has good training and culture, they don’t need to try and lock you in to a commitment. You’ll keep coming because you want to.
Watch for the culture of the gym. Is everyone friendly to each other and pushing to greater heights? If it’s overly competitive or people are just half assing class, it’s not worth the time.
How many women train there? If it’s less than 5% women, ask yourself why? Is this a very “meathead, fight or die” type of environment? That might not be an issue, but if it’s not the kind of place you want to be, you should take note of that. It’s very rare that you find co-Ed classes that are 50% or MORE female/male, but a healthy gym has at least 25% women in a given program. That speaks to the environment of the gym, the culture of its members, and the teaching ability of its coaches.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist I'll keep all these in mind, thank you
Please explain where on the worldmap i can find dutchland? 😂
Here in the Philippines stabbing incedents by knives is common. I'm a 2x winner. Saved some lives besides mine. So, I say that there is a complete self defense system coz in the first place it wasn't a sports. It's Filipino baston. Or Arnis. It never failed me. Unlike karate. Now I hold a 7th degree red and white belt. If we could deal with knives and stick, what's a fist fight? Please, gentlemen, broaden your horizon
Nothing beats MMA as it covers most things including hitting hard and being hit hard.
In my opinion Muay Thai is more complete than Dutch Kickboxing, Muay Thai can be slow and methodical or it can be aggressive and fast so I don’t get the argument about speed and hardsparring, it just depends on a lot of factors.
If you ever happen to be in a street fight it’s better to run, unless you can’t because they grabbed you or you have something to protect (reputation, family, friends). Be careful because reputation is different from ego. I personally recommend Muay Thai(Lethwei if you can find a classe) Boxing, Kickboxing and Judo for street fights. BJJ and Wrestling are only good against one person, usually a person is never alone. As for weapons a 1000lumen flashlight is all you need.
Here’s some tips if you’re fighting against one or multiple people:
Hit people where it hurts, especially if the person is bigger than you(jaw, nose, throat, sternum, liver, groin, legs especially calves)
Use your surroundings and stay off the ground (tables, doors, walls, alleyways…)
Blind your opponent or use distractions (flashlight, spit, sand, dirt, alcohol, clothes, dropping something…)
In reality, it comes down to the practitioner’s ability to apply his or her skills in an actual fight, regardless of the martial art.
Sure, but you put an average tai chi practitioner up against an average kickboxer and you KNOW what the outcome is going to be.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist True. However, if the tai chi guy has experience in street fighting and good cardio, it would be an interesting match.
First of all, that changes the parameters of the conversation. I could then say "but if the kickboxer has military experience," then you can say "but the tai chi guy has a knife." You can't move the goal posts with these kind of conversations. You have to compare people of relatively equal size, relatively equal skill, with the same background and same time, and determine whose training would better prepare them.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Agree. Which goes back to what I am saying. It comes down to the practitioner’s ability to apply his or her skills.
You can do hard body sparring, some much younger and shorter girl pieced me up in body only sparring lol
That guard doesn’t work at all without gloves
I appreciate the video, but I think u lack, hopefully for u, experience in the contest.
Look Bareknuckle boxing.
That one is the best example
Kickboxing is not just a sport. Goddammit, any form of legit martial art is self defense. Any.
WOW! Bro Exellent Video! Just subbed, if you ever want to do a collaboration just ask, I'm in Holland.. Dutch Kickboxing trainer, Taekwondo master Dutch Bouncer. Also Bounced In Mexico Acapulco, In Los Angeles and In Madrid... anyhow totally agree with th3 video it's facts, I've seen it uses here over n over again ... PS also got a channel w 30k subs
I appreciate that! Would love to do some collab with you down the line.
I could have swore muay thai low kicks were more powerful than the dutch low kick?
Muay Thai will always be king of self defense.... Elbows-Knees-Clinch is way more valuable, because in the street, people will bum rush you and crash into you with their body weight, rarely will they square up with you and fight only in kick and punch range. Watch no rules street fights, often times they just sprint at each other and end up in the clinch.
Dutch for Street Striking
Judo for Street Grappling nuff said
Good combo!
U forgot to understand that self defence must include multiple opponents attack & attack from weapons.
If there's multiple attackers or a weapon,run
That "mindset" is 'spirit' Osu.
Agreed. It’s definitely a carryover from the Kyokushin influence.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Yes Sir, I believe it was developed by Kyokushin Karate stylist like Jan Plas, Kenji Kurosaki ( who started the first 'Mejiro Gym" in Japan before one was established in Holland.
add ju jitsu what style would that be
I think it is not Dutch land but in holland
good luck to bump clueles when somebody tackle you :)
the best sport for a fight is to know multiple
Yaw yan should be mentioned in this
Savate. 👍
It's called Muay Thai. You're welcome!
Muay Boran would be more appropriate for self defense, since it has bare-knuckle techniques and joint locks.
Dutchland = Nederland = The Netherlands❤
wrestling is best for 1v1 but there is no rules in the street so better to be able to fight more than one.
Yes dutch kickboxing. It has kyokushin boxing and muay thai. Best of all worlds.