to me, thall riffs don’t repeat as much. vildhjarta breakdowns feel so disorienting bc they write them in a stream of consciousness type of way instead of “here’s this one pattern im gonna repeat”. just overall weirder sounds, lower tunings, and less predictable structures (this is extremely niche and pointless so it’s not that important) so yeah that’s my two cents
yup, and often when the guitar work is simple they can throw in some crazy drum stuff. in djent, what usually follows the guitar is the bassdrum, but vildhjarta often divide this "following" responsibility across bass drum, toms and snare.
Most interesting thing is Vildhjarta started off with repeating breakdowns in all their songs on the Omnislash album. All of the songs were rewritten and restructured with more random hooks and twists in every riff for the Mastaaden album.
Not the biggest thall fan, but I do still have a lot of respect for the genre. Particularly because as a fan of Sludge/Doom Metal, I can personally hear a bit of influence from those genres in there, and I think it’s cool that those older influences can shine through more modern music, even if that wasn’t the intention of the artists, well, except for a band like Black Tongue, they very bluntly have doom and sludge vibes thrown in.
legit, Meshuggah create the style but none of the bands that claim the style sound anything like meshuggah. most "djent" so called bands are just really really heavy prog. very few understand what makes meshuggah meshuggah is how its groovy while being weird and offbeat.
Nice man, missing the twings and twangs though :P Much different to Vildhjarta imo. Nice title / descriptions of the technical sides for laymans like me who gauge on ears :P
Rules number one of "thall". Get that brown notes 95% of the time and you're good. Anyway, that breakdown part is fucking amazing lol oh yea dont forget that china symbal.
@@northtimo666 the video clearly says how to make, "thall" right, thall. Not djent. If you didn't know, thall is a word that was formed by the way the guitarist plays the riffs in the band, "Vildhjarta." Right, and this comment is praising the progressive metal band, "Meshuggah."
oh no trust me I know! I love me some thall like Miroist, I was just saying that the op vid showcasing thall vs djent couldve done a lil better separating the two. BTW I binge listen to without a whisper on repeat @@donaldmacgregor2628
Sorry, but it's not thall. Yeah, the only bend here sounded thall-ish but I'm just tired of people making these 'how to t h a l l' videos after hearing one and a half hlb or fractalize songs. Production and riifs are good tho.
You know those "If ___ was djent" videos? Thall is like taking a song that's already a djent song, treating it like it isn't djenty, and saying "what if we made it djenty?" It's double djent.
He uses the line 6 pod farm “big bottom” amp sim with his own IRs. Just watched a video with buster coffee with Ola where he said it verbatim. You’re welcome
Actually yes, as far as I know, Thall is named in the same way as djent was. Djent describes the palm mute, Thall is the open note. I feel like that's probably the main difference between the two as well? Djent will be tighter, focused on staccato and palm mutes while thall is more loose, a bit more about the ambience
Bending the heaviest string at the 12th fret up a semitone so that when you hit the open string again afterwards, it's like doing a 1-0 but with a greater distance between notes. Tablature-wise, it looks like 12^-0--
I am not into extreme metal or djent but I do listen to a lot of Vildhjarta, no HLB or FRACTALIZE. But if you really do wanna Thall like Vildhjarta does, this is nowhere near that 😅
You know what Drop E was called not so long ago? A fuckin bassist! Seriously, do you guitards not realize that our instrument is the same but a few octaves lower. If you turn your bass knob down a bit and the mid knob up a bit and give us sonic space, the band sounds much clearer without all that mud.
look there is still tons of metal bands who aren't focusing on low tunings, I love traditional heavy metal and all the subgenres. the super low frequencies are awesome and it is still creating art. I'm glad this variety of modern metal exists!
Sure because thall totally doesn't have plenty of fans who just enjoy the sound... don't try to reduce this to "less than a piece of art" because this is still undeniably music.
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If you don't think this is THALL
ruclips.net/video/dTrd-ZvGrGw/видео.html
to me, thall riffs don’t repeat as much. vildhjarta breakdowns feel so disorienting bc they write them in a stream of consciousness type of way instead of “here’s this one pattern im gonna repeat”. just overall weirder sounds, lower tunings, and less predictable structures (this is extremely niche and pointless so it’s not that important) so yeah that’s my two cents
yup, and often when the guitar work is simple they can throw in some crazy drum stuff. in djent, what usually follows the guitar is the bassdrum, but vildhjarta often divide this "following" responsibility across bass drum, toms and snare.
100% right
Vildhjarta sounds like a conversation without words
Most interesting thing is Vildhjarta started off with repeating breakdowns in all their songs on the Omnislash album. All of the songs were rewritten and restructured with more random hooks and twists in every riff for the Mastaaden album.
agreed, currently writing a song this way
step 5 is definitely the thallification
yuppers
Step 8 is the most important for thallification... but Ig djent does that too
Very true!
That bass tone is absolutely fucking bananas
You forgot the most crucial aspect of thall:
Make the strings sound like suspension bridge cables
Fractalize did it masterfully
Immersed and Instant fuuuuck me up
Not the biggest thall fan, but I do still have a lot of respect for the genre. Particularly because as a fan of Sludge/Doom Metal, I can personally hear a bit of influence from those genres in there, and I think it’s cool that those older influences can shine through more modern music, even if that wasn’t the intention of the artists, well, except for a band like Black Tongue, they very bluntly have doom and sludge vibes thrown in.
Agreed. I’ve always thought that but never heard anyone else say that either. Glad I’m not the only one.
Soooo from what I can hear, Thall is like, if djent ACTUALLY sounds like Meshuggah.
legit, Meshuggah create the style but none of the bands that claim the style sound anything like meshuggah. most "djent" so called bands are just really really heavy prog. very few understand what makes meshuggah meshuggah is how its groovy while being weird and offbeat.
I am not a big fan of styles like Djent
But to be honest this is great 🤘🏻
Recently I just bought KRK rp5 and I accidently found this in RUclips, it was actually good mixing. keep it up man!
Awesome video! The composition is really vibrant. Great tutorial!
Damn I love this sound. Thall always hits me just right.
The pitch shift 😂😂 I do love it tho
Write that down WRITE THAT DOWN.
Dude that mix is just *chefs kiss*
What ampsim and cab are you using? Actually btw, what drum library and bass aswell? 😂 Sounds awesome
ampero2,Loki Bass 2,MixWave: Luke Holland🔥
@@plushdollofsheep thx man!!! I'm using Loki 2, gonna have to check the other stuff out for sure!
Very good 👍🏻 love it !!
Thk u 😊
i used to be a thall boi, but now i'm just a djenty gent
oh
@@plushdollofsheep =)
No no, you're moving the wrong way!
It's all just metal.
Hey :D
Wow.. so good. :)
thk u!!!
Splendid 🔥🔥
Nice man, missing the twings and twangs though :P
Much different to Vildhjarta imo.
Nice title / descriptions of the technical sides for laymans like me who gauge on ears :P
This is the perfect tutorial finally not one that makes it clownish.
bass is carrying this so hard!
Still sounds like a Djent song to me, ngl.
参考になりました！
良かったです！
Feels more like standard deathcore with a seasoning of thall
Yeah this isn’t thall but it sounds decent at least
Cant wait for every modern core band to have their heavy single sound exactly like this until we're all sick of it
This. Rocked.
Rules number one of "thall". Get that brown notes 95% of the time and you're good. Anyway, that breakdown part is fucking amazing lol oh yea dont forget that china symbal.
never heard this term before and I still knew exactly what this was about to sound like lmao
Godbless the Meshuggah.
What.
@@blxcktonguewhat?
@@northtimo666 the video clearly says how to make, "thall" right, thall. Not djent. If you didn't know, thall is a word that was formed by the way the guitarist plays the riffs in the band, "Vildhjarta." Right, and this comment is praising the progressive metal band, "Meshuggah."
@@blxcktongue i dont a see a possibly where thall would exist before djent
@@arockfloatinginspace4488 *progressive
I wanna be a thall boi when I grow up
Maybe coincidental but the riff sounds quite similar to Freakjuice's Gangsta life ... recorded in 1999
thall
Nah thats just djent but its goood
Strong Vola vibes
Really? Happy!
Sounds like djent to me
Sounds awesome. What is scale of this guitar and wat strings did you use?
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Flawless
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Not mentioned: triplet feel, but you got it anyway
TIL thall is when the guitar makes a "djent" sound
So make a Vildhjarta song.
tassssty!!!
damn ok shawty
0:18 this sound like a munch of Godzilla (big asf)
Напоминаю, что бас тоже должен быть на октаву ниже, а не в унисон!
Humanity last Breath
No thall was detected
Is there really a difference between thall and djent?
In what sense are they distinguished?
@@plushdollofsheep Im still working that one out
Yes, one is thall and the other is djent.
listen to vildhjarta then listen to invent animate and tell me
oh no trust me I know! I love me some thall like Miroist, I was just saying that the op vid showcasing thall vs djent couldve done a lil better separating the two. BTW I binge listen to without a whisper on repeat @@donaldmacgregor2628
Sorry, but it's not thall. Yeah, the only bend here sounded thall-ish but I'm just tired of people making these 'how to t h a l l' videos after hearing one and a half hlb or fractalize songs. Production and riifs are good tho.
Agreed.
How to mix like this sound
How to meshuggah for beginners
You know those "If ___ was djent" videos? Thall is like taking a song that's already a djent song, treating it like it isn't djenty, and saying "what if we made it djenty?"
It's double djent.
Siiiiiick tone!!!!
heavy as fuck. nice work.
Need more
THALL!!!!! ASF!!!!
and Lofi guitars
Still djent
Not quite but nevertheless great tutorial!
For beginners!
What is thall? pls explain somebody?!
step 1: have good tone
THALL
Yoooo what drums did you use?
ruclips.net/video/3B50hkWyGzg/видео.html
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"not djent"
Step 4: Djent
Lol
Drop E is crazy ngl
He uses the line 6 pod farm “big bottom” amp sim with his own IRs. Just watched a video with buster coffee with Ola where he said it verbatim. You’re welcome
fml this is so tasty
make this a song
すごい
シャアル
Do people just make up dumb sounding words to describe heavily down tuned riffs these days? 😂
Actually yes, as far as I know, Thall is named in the same way as djent was. Djent describes the palm mute, Thall is the open note. I feel like that's probably the main difference between the two as well? Djent will be tighter, focused on staccato and palm mutes while thall is more loose, a bit more about the ambience
heavyyyy god damn, tone is fat af very cool.
thk u 🔥
kick ass
what do you mean technically by "octave fret and bend"? nice fucking thall tho:)
Bending the heaviest string at the 12th fret up a semitone so that when you hit the open string again afterwards, it's like doing a 1-0 but with a greater distance between notes.
Tablature-wise, it looks like
12^-0--
Shoulda slided
Dropped F sounds more crisp than E, js
Its djent, but tuned so low that you cant actually hear it.
Thall is just a bass track with no guitar
I am not into extreme metal or djent but I do listen to a lot of Vildhjarta, no HLB or FRACTALIZE. But if you really do wanna Thall like Vildhjarta does, this is nowhere near that 😅
You know what Drop E was called not so long ago? A fuckin bassist! Seriously, do you guitards not realize that our instrument is the same but a few octaves lower. If you turn your bass knob down a bit and the mid knob up a bit and give us sonic space, the band sounds much clearer without all that mud.
So how is this not djent?
I don't know lol
It's the same.
Most don't know what Djent actually is
Ambiance is steps 1-5 ngl
the pick scratch, how???
I don't think you made Thall, I think Thall made you.
can't be thall if 4/4 gotta throw in some 11/8 or some bs for the trickery or the lols
Thall
what the hell is pitch shifting???
now put it in 2x speed and you have djent :)
Reverse bend is the thallest shit there is
sounds like same shit , man them swedish ppl be creating genres out of nothing
Jesus is coming Repent everyone in sin will burn
Yeah, maybe we should stop making metal a downtune/heaviness competition and actually get back to making a piece of art
look there is still tons of metal bands who aren't focusing on low tunings, I love traditional heavy metal and all the subgenres. the super low frequencies are awesome and it is still creating art. I'm glad this variety of modern metal exists!
Sure because thall totally doesn't have plenty of fans who just enjoy the sound...
don't try to reduce this to "less than a piece of art" because this is still undeniably music.
exactly@@cattypat6
So what you're saying is Limp Bizkit is thall
Limp Bizkit doesn't use guitars in drop E and pitch shifters, nor any harmonics.
You just made djent
Well that was fucken 🤘