Thanks Bros! I'm now in Drop D1 (with a=449) in the 7 string guitar because I love to have 40hz (D#1 with a=448/449) /science said it's the sound of an eartquake/ and 50hz (G1 with a=448/449) notes (check it out in comparation with regular a=440hz E1 (41,2hz) / D#1(38,8hz) and G1 (48,9hz) / G#1 (51,9hz) , they sound very insteresting to me). -> instrumt.com/u/generador-de-tonos This it's also achievable with 423/424hz but a semitone higher (E1 and G#1). But i'm thinking in maybe up or low a semitone (Drop C#1 or D#1). It will depend on the "proper" tension for the actual strings. And for that maybe I will remove the central spring (muelle en español) of the Floyd Rose for "proper" string tension for Drop tunning. Thoughts? xDD
same.. been learning some periphery songs.. well.. trying ... and let me just say that its tough lol. sick band tho. side note... the guys in that band do not know theory either and that well... youve probably heard their music haha
Bro don’t be scared of releasing tutorials. You make sick music and being open about not know everything under the sun about music theory is refreshing. It inspires me to want to learn more about theory because I know absolutely dick about it.
This is a dope vid. I think if I had to add anything, It would be the production side of it. Adding bass drops, impact snares, reverse snares, samples/sound effects, etc can really turn a boring breakdown into something heavy also.
Music theory enthusiast time! #1 - That interval is the minor second, and it's technically wrong to call it a chord since it's only two notes! The "panic chord", or simply dissonant intervals are the tritone, major seventh, major ninth, and minor second; and stacking them together makes for some beautiful ugliness! I personally think the minor second gets too much love, we should panic on some other intervals too sometimes :p #4 - the best metric modulation imo is going from quarter note time-keeping to dotted eighth note time-keeping, sounds absolutely fucked >:) #7 - this is technically also a metric modulation! #9 - polymeters are awesome, you nailed the explanation i think (#11) - dynamics are key. changing any aspect drastically will always turn heads. Try messing with switching pickups or guitar tones, volume, modulation (pedals), etc. The sure fire way to make any breakdown heavy is to make the part before it not-heavy. Dynamics are key
The minor 9th I believe is what powers The Dillinger Escape Plan's 43% Burnt - it's the _bwahwahwahwahwah_ in the _bwahwahwahwahwah..._ *CHUG CHUG* part.
I am a music theory nerd and I appreciate you putting your ideas and vocabulary for them out there. I love hearing how people talk about things when they were trained differently from me.
@@ericchambers6863 fuck you're my bro for those knowledge drops, hydra head really moved the genre forward and I still go back to those records. norma jean took what they were doing and made it marketable
Eric Chambers bravo, came here to say this. Minor 2nd chords (panic chords/horror chords etc) go back to Norma Jean ‘bless the martyr’ who heavily mainlined it in the scene 2002-2005, they played like 300 shows a year and every band anywhere began over using it. Then it became cliche and cheese but all the post hardcore bands kept using it and no one noticed it was overdone or stopped doing it. Kids kept coming into the scene fresh blood and had no awareness of this history and here we are today in 2020 still way way overused. Before Norma Jean it was Coalesce Botch Converge then before that Kurt from Converge said he borrowed from Meshuggah who probably was inspired by King Crimson.
i had no idea you didnt know music theory. ive been trying to write my own music, without any lessons other than youtube so that honestly kind of gives me alot more hope
Great video as always, and love seeing the collabs between you two! This was actually pretty helpful, especially to those of us who wanna djent but don't wanna read stuff for hours to figure out how music works 😆
About dissonance: Dissonance isn't defined as a minor second (the interval of 1 half-step). Dissonance is very simply just anything, that doesn't sound melodic or harmonic. Best example is the tritone or diminished 5th/augmented 4th. Play a power chord but lower the second note by 1 half-step, i.e playing the open E string and 1st fret of the A string or 7th fret on the D string, 8th fret on the g string and so on. The tritone sounds so dissonant, that it was forbidden to be used in church music in medieval times. It was called "diabolus in musica" (Latin, translated as "the devil in music" I guess).
This was awesome, not a lot of tutorials cover breakdowns, cause they are seen as easy and basic, but this is a great way to make them... not easy and basic!
Thanks a lot for this one! a lot that i already knew, some other things that i learned, but i gotta say that what i already knew does work (speaking out of experience) and the new things i learned i'm surprised they do actually work!
I LOVE this video. I already knew about the dissonant half step chords and the whammy pedals but I didn’t know about the downward pitch shift thing. Very cool 😎
I personally don’t like panic chords (they were overused in the 2010s) but you show a lot of cool and fun techniques to try out in writing. Breakdowns can get boring
You were sort of on the right track with metric modulation, but there's more to it than just playing "slower". In fact, metric modulation can also go faster. The theory behind the concept is that a note that isn't the current quarter-note beat becomes the *new* quarter-note beat. Simple example: an instrument plays a 4:3 polyrhythm, where the dotted 8th note (the "4" in 4:3) in a sense "foreshadows" the metric modulation. The other instruments can then start playing a new melody/beat to the rhythm of the dotted 8th note, and thus, the dotted 8th has become the new quarter-note, meaning that the tempo has changed accordingly as well. Metric modulation always involves a tempo change - otherwise, it's merely a polyrhythm.
Very well explained to those who doesn't know theory. Just another great example that theory isn't necessary to play awesome! Don't get me wrong I love theory but it's just a tool that the skilled uses, And you my friend are skilled!
That's not necessarily metric modulation but more just doing a polyrhythm by chugging on every 3rd 16th note. MM is more like you trick the listener into thinking the song is speeding up or slowing down when really you're playing triplets as if they're common time. Chris from Oceans Ate Alaska has a sick video which explains it way better than I did haha.
Little addition to #2: Dissonance isn't strictly a difference of 1 semi-tone. "Dissonance" is a general term for and interval or chord with a lot of tension , so it's essentially just an unpleasant noise. 1 semi-tone is an interval which itself is very dissonant. The Tritone (6 semi-tones) is another extremely dissonant interval. Also, if most of your song follows a specific key, you can achieve a lot of simple dissonance by intentionally playing notes outside of that key.
@@internaldiscordance4238 sweetwater.com All i got was the same pitch shifter and 3 patch cables. Only about $275 and I'm only paying about $20 a month no interest on most items. I want to buy some big stuff with it but I have to wait.
Most Whammy pedals will have an option to shift down however many semitones, but all you have to do is keep the Whammy down for the effect to stay, unlike shifting up, where you press the whammy on the accented chords
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when ur so early that nik's comment still has 10 likes
Thanks Bros! I'm now in Drop D1 (with a=449) in the 7 string guitar
because I love to have 40hz (D#1 with a=448/449) /science said it's the sound of an eartquake/ and 50hz (G1 with a=448/449) notes
(check it out in comparation with regular a=440hz E1 (41,2hz) / D#1(38,8hz)
and G1 (48,9hz) / G#1 (51,9hz) , they sound very insteresting to me). -> instrumt.com/u/generador-de-tonos
This it's also achievable with 423/424hz but a semitone higher (E1 and G#1).
But i'm thinking in maybe up or low a semitone (Drop C#1 or D#1).
It will depend on the "proper" tension for the actual strings.
And for that maybe I will remove the central spring (muelle en español) of the Floyd Rose for "proper" string tension for Drop tunning. Thoughts? xDD
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@layney boy r u jealous that i have fast fingers?
thanks for tab comrade
#11) blegh producer pack
How could I forget this very important step
Back in 2009-2010 the blegh was a standard i love hearing bands that do that now and pig squeals too
2020: breakdowns with baena
2021: *BAEKDOWNS WITH BAENA*
BAEKDOWNS WITH BREANNA
2022: BAENA WITH BREAKDOWNS
No, my breakdowns suck because I suck at guitar
Me too
same.. been learning some periphery songs.. well.. trying ... and let me just say that its tough lol. sick band tho. side note... the guys in that band do not know theory either and that well... youve probably heard their music haha
Honestly it's nothing to do with skill, its more of a writing thing than anything.
@@stevei4860 actually they know a decent amount of music theory
In the words of Nik during his suffering covering Through the Fire and Flames.
*WE PLAY BREAKDOWNS CAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME!*
#1) dissonance #2) dissonance #3) wammy dissonance
All the flavors of dissonance are present
I had a breakdown today. It wasn’t good.
A br00tal breakdown
Try some dissonance man
it’s like his jaw doesn’t move when he talks
might be bells palsy. or he has a dip in his lip
“Early days of metalcore in the 2010’s.”
Hol up.
Uhm, yeah, metalcore started in the 90s
Silly fellow, he is
Bro don’t be scared of releasing tutorials. You make sick music and being open about not know everything under the sun about music theory is refreshing. It inspires me to want to learn more about theory because I know absolutely dick about it.
This is a dope vid. I think if I had to add anything, It would be the production side of it. Adding bass drops, impact snares, reverse snares, samples/sound effects, etc can really turn a boring breakdown into something heavy also.
Samples from pop culture is something that needs to come back lol
@@jessejohnson9321 i love how new west coast beatdown has started using hip hop samples
Except everyone does that now. It's like how much can I make weird edm sounds with my guitar
Wait i thougth this was a joke, but it end up being useful lol
Music theory enthusiast time!
#1 - That interval is the minor second, and it's technically wrong to call it a chord since it's only two notes! The "panic chord", or simply dissonant intervals are the tritone, major seventh, major ninth, and minor second; and stacking them together makes for some beautiful ugliness! I personally think the minor second gets too much love, we should panic on some other intervals too sometimes :p
#4 - the best metric modulation imo is going from quarter note time-keeping to dotted eighth note time-keeping, sounds absolutely fucked >:)
#7 - this is technically also a metric modulation!
#9 - polymeters are awesome, you nailed the explanation i think
(#11) - dynamics are key. changing any aspect drastically will always turn heads. Try messing with switching pickups or guitar tones, volume, modulation (pedals), etc.
The sure fire way to make any breakdown heavy is to make the part before it not-heavy. Dynamics are key
The minor 9th I believe is what powers The Dillinger Escape Plan's 43% Burnt - it's the _bwahwahwahwahwah_ in the _bwahwahwahwahwah..._ *CHUG CHUG* part.
Andrew be like yeah idk how to explain polyrhythms, then gives a perfect explanation of polyrhythms
dude all you gotta do is BANG BANG BANG BOING BOING BOING BLEGHHH PAAAAHHHHHHH ......BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM
I am a music theory nerd and I appreciate you putting your ideas and vocabulary for them out there. I love hearing how people talk about things when they were trained differently from me.
"since the early days of metalcore, like 2010" Ha.
children bruh, even my introduction to the genre in 2003 was late
For real. Panic chords are basically tied to early, early bands like botch, Norma Jean, converge, coelesce, etc
@@ericchambers6863 fuck you're my bro for those knowledge drops, hydra head really moved the genre forward and I still go back to those records. norma jean took what they were doing and made it marketable
Eric Chambers bravo, came here to say this. Minor 2nd chords (panic chords/horror chords etc) go back to Norma Jean ‘bless the martyr’ who heavily mainlined it in the scene 2002-2005, they played like 300 shows a year and every band anywhere began over using it. Then it became cliche and cheese but all the post hardcore bands kept using it and no one noticed it was overdone or stopped doing it. Kids kept coming into the scene fresh blood and had no awareness of this history and here we are today in 2020 still way way overused. Before Norma Jean it was Coalesce Botch Converge then before that Kurt from Converge said he borrowed from Meshuggah who probably was inspired by King Crimson.
i had no idea you didnt know music theory. ive been trying to write my own music, without any lessons other than youtube so that honestly kind of gives me alot more hope
6:36 this is my favorite type
808 Bass/sub drops make a breakdown heavy af too.
Great video as always, and love seeing the collabs between you two! This was actually pretty helpful, especially to those of us who wanna djent but don't wanna read stuff for hours to figure out how music works 😆
The most fitting shirt for this video.
Hi Andrew, great video, greetings from Colombia
"Syncopation" is what you're looking for for the offbeat drums. The offbeat irregularity makes you want to move your head.
Also, make use of augmented 4ths/diminished 5ths (tritones) for dissonance as well!
I wasn't confused of your explanation of the polymeter technique, we both don't know music theory much lol thanks for this!
This is a great video man! I'd love to see more. I just started playing a 7 string and using these techniques in drop G is sick!
dude nik should use this drum pack for his own music it sounds so much better than the one he has now. his tone sounds sooo good over that
Coool!! Brazil watch u too
Love you, Baena
About dissonance: Dissonance isn't defined as a minor second (the interval of 1 half-step). Dissonance is very simply just anything, that doesn't sound melodic or harmonic.
Best example is the tritone or diminished 5th/augmented 4th. Play a power chord but lower the second note by 1 half-step, i.e playing the open E string and 1st fret of the A string or 7th fret on the D string, 8th fret on the g string and so on. The tritone sounds so dissonant, that it was forbidden to be used in church music in medieval times. It was called "diabolus in musica" (Latin, translated as "the devil in music" I guess).
Technically dissonance is a kind of Harmony - it's the opposite of consonance, which is when notes sound nice together.
Carcosa has fucking sick breakdowns. Paying mad attention to this vid.
I love that you linked Ben’s video. Between him and Adam Neely they are able to explain complex ideas somewhat simply.
Early metalcore days like 2010? What.
Metalcore started in the 90s my dude.
Dude i was just thinking that "brees" were around alot longer before 2010 lol
I'm pretty sure he meant the "edgy kid crabcore"
It’s funny how I just realized, after a few years of watching Nik, I have the same picking technique
Very informative and clean package. Thanks Andrew and Nick!
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This was awesome, not a lot of tutorials cover breakdowns, cause they are seen as easy and basic, but this is a great way to make them... not easy and basic!
Thank you king 👑
1:43 Panic Chords
2:32 Dissonance
3:35 Whammy/Pitch
4:42 Off Beat Chugs
6:36 Panning Left & Right
7:35 Half Time Drums
8:35 Leads
11:10 Polymeters
11:50 Triplets
This is so sick dude thank you!
Thanks a lot for this one! a lot that i already knew, some other things that i learned, but i gotta say that what i already knew does work (speaking out of experience) and the new things i learned i'm surprised they do actually work!
Love the Black tongue Tshirt
I LOVE this video. I already knew about the dissonant half step chords and the whammy pedals but I didn’t know about the downward pitch shift thing. Very cool 😎
Honestly I love these kinds of videos. Thank you so much for this!
Norma Jean will always be the masters of the “panic notes”
Anthony Howell YUP.
That Polymeter was actually explained really well. I didn't find it that complicated.
Hey, Andrew!
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Thanks for doing this video man. More tutorials would be great but at the minimum, this was excellent. Cheers man.
8:31 hippity hoppity your breakdown is now my property
Thanks for the info . Now to implement them into my practice
so polymeters is basically Meshuggah :D
thanks for the awesome tips, always insightful and inspiring!
More vids like this please!
Nik and yourself have helped me become a way better metal guitarist. You guys are true djentleman. 👍
Great video man, i've used some of these techniques but I definitely learned some more. Awesome work, you've earned a sub
Given that I don't know theory myself, everything was explained quite thoroughly. Great video as always!
Dont be so nervous bro be confident your good bro...
I personally don’t like panic chords (they were overused in the 2010s) but you show a lot of cool and fun techniques to try out in writing. Breakdowns can get boring
Nik goin' strong showing off those Vildhjarta vibes.
Love the carcosa
lol loved that attack attack crabcore gif lolol
I think that your explanations are very good :) also breakdowns sounds really good and heavy :)
This was great dude!! Helped a lot
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ah yes, thank you much x
sicko mode was my favorite whammy breakdown
You were sort of on the right track with metric modulation, but there's more to it than just playing "slower". In fact, metric modulation can also go faster. The theory behind the concept is that a note that isn't the current quarter-note beat becomes the *new* quarter-note beat. Simple example: an instrument plays a 4:3 polyrhythm, where the dotted 8th note (the "4" in 4:3) in a sense "foreshadows" the metric modulation. The other instruments can then start playing a new melody/beat to the rhythm of the dotted 8th note, and thus, the dotted 8th has become the new quarter-note, meaning that the tempo has changed accordingly as well. Metric modulation always involves a tempo change - otherwise, it's merely a polyrhythm.
I find chugging 5ths and 3rds works well.
Meshuggah did use dissonance chords for Future Breed Machine
Metric modulation
*chris turner intensifies*
"best with very low tunings*
Proceeds to drop c
The destruction djent duo
Very well explained to those who doesn't know theory. Just another great example that theory isn't necessary to play awesome! Don't get me wrong I love theory but it's just a tool that the skilled uses, And you my friend are skilled!
Great job!
Quality video
That's not necessarily metric modulation but more just doing a polyrhythm by chugging on every 3rd 16th note. MM is more like you trick the listener into thinking the song is speeding up or slowing down when really you're playing triplets as if they're common time. Chris from Oceans Ate Alaska has a sick video which explains it way better than I did haha.
"Proffesional breakdown enthusiast"
I can tell by the shirt
5:46 - 5:59 this reminds to After The Burial
“This is why your breakdowns suck....”
Doesn’t know what syncopation is
JK LOVE THE VIDEO!
Little addition to #2: Dissonance isn't strictly a difference of 1 semi-tone. "Dissonance" is a general term for and interval or chord with a lot of tension , so it's essentially just an unpleasant noise. 1 semi-tone is an interval which itself is very dissonant. The Tritone (6 semi-tones) is another extremely dissonant interval. Also, if most of your song follows a specific key, you can achieve a lot of simple dissonance by intentionally playing notes outside of that key.
We want Baena.
We want niknoca
We want breakdowna
Your boy nik is our soviet leader.
How matching the black tongue shirt is
Omg that’s how they get lower in the same tuning !!
Why am I just now noticing the Shin Musha Gunpla on the monitors?
Papa bless
That was actually helpful. Thanks :)
Can you maybe do a tutorial about the pitch shift stuff? Can you recommend any plug-ins that can do that?
“early metalcore” “2010”
We called panic chord clash chords back in my day lol.
How do you use a pitch shifter?
Heaviest breakdowns - Nadir t shirt. 💪💪💪
what pitch shifting vst are you using?
I use an actual Whammy DT pedal
@@BaenaCarcosa ah nice, too bad its so expensive :l
@@internaldiscordance4238 sweetwater.com All i got was the same pitch shifter and 3 patch cables. Only about $275 and I'm only paying about $20 a month no interest on most items. I want to buy some big stuff with it but I have to wait.
@@internaldiscordance4238 You can use Melodyne, it sounds like a real Whammy for only half the price.
You can use ReaPitch if you use Reaper
Andrew you should do a video of your writing process that would be awesome
Yupp and show the people your mixing and mastering process , dude tracks sound massive.
What do we have to do with the whammy to drop the note???
Most Whammy pedals will have an option to shift down however many semitones, but all you have to do is keep the Whammy down for the effect to stay, unlike shifting up, where you press the whammy on the accented chords
I love the pitch shifter especially when listening to northlanes talking heads and 4D
I know right? For 4D though, they do actually have a low Eb string, and same for freefall, but doesn't make a difference anyway
Actually, this is the first time I understand polymeters! jajajaja awesome, John Browne uses it a lot I think
8:58 if you listen to Kashmir-Led Zeppelin
The same thing happens, the drums are in 4/4, but the guitars and bass are 3/4
Literally just got that same sign yesterday, it's so sick